This content is an interview with Amma Berand, a Ghanaian influencer and entrepreneur, who discusses her journey from content creation to building successful businesses, emphasizing the power of influence, resilience, and strategic business development.
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I was paid $5,000
for a brand.
>> I see.
>> People keep saying that influencing is
oversaturated and I don't think so. The
problem with Ghanaians and the reason
why there's oversaturation is that
everybody wants to be a food content
creator. Everybody wants to do
lifestyle. When you are unemployed that
can also be a content idea.
>> Do you genuinely think influencing is a
way that young people can start making
money for themselves? It's a good way to
make easy money as compared to being a
lawyer and having to put articles. So so
so so so honestly I would rather do a
day in my life.
>> Do brands take influencing in Ghana
seriously? Is there real unity in the
influencing business?
>> Growing up what did you want to become? >> Nothing.
Not so long ago, they were body shaming
me. In the comments was just people body
I just have
this feeling like that life is a movie
and I'm part of the main character, so
things will always go well for me. Even
if I'm going through the worst things,
>> you could have just focused on being an
influencer. you added business to it
because you know that your brand can
influence people to even buy your product
product
>> and you can't be an influencer for the
rest of your life. Your time will pass.
>> You've got two businesses. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And you use content to push all of them.
>> I really want you to tell the young
people something that will really
empower them. Where did you get the
money to start it?
>> Oh, it wasn't hard. All I needed was CDs
for that. >> Ah,
>> Ah, >> yeah.
You're welcome to connected minds
podcast. My name is Derek.
My guest today is Amma Berand,
the popular influencer who's using
influencing to push her business as
well. For me, she's showing a lot of the
young girls that you can actually build
business on the internet while you're
creating content that you love. And this
is why she's in the studio today. Stick
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to my studio. I'm a land.
>> Thank you. Thank you for having me. I
appreciate you having me here actually.
>> And I appreciate you for coming. I I
think this is going to be a a
conversation that my audience will enjoy,
enjoy,
>> but I want to enjoy it more than them.
>> So, let's see how this goes. >> Um,
>> Um,
why should anyone listen to this
conversation all the way through to the end?
end?
>> Because, um, I'm here to inspire people
with my story. So, I know a lot of young
girls look up to me and boys as well.
So, I'm here to try my best to inspire
them with my story. Yeah.
>> Well, thank you. I mean, that's what we
do here, Connected Minds Podcast. So, I
I'm I'm happy to take all the
inspirational aspect of life that you
have gone through yourself.
>> Now, I've kind of split this
conversation up into five parts, right?
>> Okay. And the first part is to get to
know you on the pot and then we'll get
through to why you decided to start
creating content and we talk about the
business and every other thing we'll go
through. So yeah, what's your
background? Okay, so my name is Princess
Amia Bland. I'm my name is not Amma. My
background. Okay, so my mom is G and my
dad is Scottish.
So um a mix but then I claimed the gam
cuz I've never been to Scotland before.
Yeah. And yeah, I went to about 10
junior high schools, but then I
completed in Mer of International
School. Then I went to St. Senior High
School, then Leon. I studied psychology
and information studies. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Psychology.
>> Psychology.
>> Yes. And information studies. And you
know, I didn't use the the thing like
the psychology for anything, but right
now people talk to me a lot. So I feel
like I should tap into it cuz people
listen like talk to me a lot. Like they
confide in me a lot. And I'm like why?
But I think I have to start like
considering using my degree for
something. Yes. And
>> when it comes to my mom and dad, I'm I'm
an only child, but I have a lot of step
siblings who Yeah. We have a great bond.
Like I found out that they were my step
siblings like in like GHS1 or something
like that because of a conversation I
overheard. But yeah, that's how like
close I am with my step siblings. And I
wouldn't say step like they're my
siblings. You understand? Yes. Then yeah
that's that's basically my experience. >> So
>> So
did you ever lived with your father?
>> Yes when I was very young. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> But then he left to the UK. So >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So what sort of relationship did you
have with him growing up?
>> I don't I was when I was a kid I don't
really remember that part but when I see
pictures like we were like this cuz I
look just like him. M
>> so we're like this when I like I was a
kid and everything but because we didn't
grow up like together.
Uh the relationship I have with my mom
is different from what I have with my
dad. Like I respect my dad and
everything but like the jokes I would
make with my mom and the way I feel free
around her is not the same with my dad because
because
he he lived in the UK for a long time.
He started coming to back to Ghana when
I was like older and everything. So it
will still not be the same as somebody
that I've lived with my whole life
growing up like and everything.
>> So growing up, who did you live with?
Was it your stepfather?
>> No, my mom. I don't have a stepfather.
>> Oh, okay. But you said step
>> siblings. Siblings. My daddy has children.
children.
>> Oh, right. Right. But you never live here.
here.
>> No, my mom has children as well. I'm the
last born. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> So I'm a patient baby. Yes. They met in
their late 30s. Like my mother gave
birth when she was 37. So like I'm the
last. So they had children before me. So
those are the step siblings. But I grew
up with my mother's children. >> Right.
>> Right. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> But then like I'm good with my father's
children as well. But I didn't grow up
with them because they have a mother as well.
well. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Yes. Most of them are not in Ghana.
>> Huh. Right. So take me inside the home. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Um how was it growing up in the home?
>> It was amazing. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I had a good childhood. I feel like my
mother tried her very best with me and
my siblings as well. As I said, I'm a
persian baby. I'm in my 20ies. My big
sister right now is 41, 42 thereabouts.
So, she was like my mother at a point.
So, like I had like two mothers. My
other big sister too is like she's now
turning 40. So, it's like I had like
three mothers there. So, like I felt
very protected and loved and everything
like growing up was very good. Like
there was this time where they like a
teacher sl like lashed me in school. my
child my child to slap my teacher for
lashing me and they took me out of their
school. Like that's how much protected
like I was growing up. So yeah, but they
didn't let me go out a lot. I appreciate
that now. I wasn't seeing why I did. But
apart from that, I had a good like
>> you were protected.
>> Yes. I was protected like I felt loved
from Yeah.
>> Right. I mean your sister going to slap
someone could be a reason one of the
reasons why you ended up going to what
10 schools you said.
>> I guess.
>> Right. Cuz you keep moving from one
place to the other. Yeah, like if you
like the that wasn't the only reason
why. So
>> I was in school at I want to use
distances so that people understand but
then the teacher lashed me and then made
me stay in school to sweep the compound.
I was in class one. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> Yes. So I had to walk I'm going to use a
distance from like let's say American
house to
Leon. If you use straight and ars run
about like I had to walk home cuz the
school bus left me. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> Yes. So my sister was very irritated by
that cuz what could I have possibly
done? I didn't have a book.
>> Yeah. And that was the punishment to
lash me and let me like
>> he's he or she's teaching you sense.
Right. That's what they said. That's
that's what they say when when when they
are beating you um for punishment in
school. But okay now you are in school. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> How was your relationship with friends? Like
Like
>> which part of school?
>> Junior high school or senior highs.
>> SHs. Oh, at the end of SHS I made like
amazing friends. Like in the start I
didn't really make friends. I was just there.
there.
>> Like I'll laugh with I mean I laugh with
everybody you but that doesn't mean that
you're my friend. You feel me? Yes. But
then like when I was in like I made
actual friends that I'm still friends
with some of them. I made friends with
Freda Pria you know those people. And then
then
>> were you always naturally a purple
person? Always. I'm trying to figure
that out from when you were young
through school.
>> I guess naturally.
>> Yeah. I mean you hate me or love me but
then the love was more
>> growing up like everybody knew me in
school. So
>> were you the sort of kid that used to
get good grades?
>> Oh yeah. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> And I Yeah. But then I just never talk
first but like first to fifth year I'm inside.
inside. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But when I went to SHS I stopped
learning a bit. So like I became an
average student
>> but then like it wasn't hard to pick
back up. When when I got my first from
the school I was coming from I knew that
oh I'm always first to fifth. So when I
went to SHS the first term I was like
10th and I was like hey I've come to me.
So that was when I like I started
picking up and everything but I've
always been like a good student.
>> Growing up what did you want to become?
>> Nothing. I didn't really think about
that. But when I went to senior high
school I think I wanted to be an air
hostess and later I changed my mind. I
didn't really know what I wanted to do. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> I just knew I'll be rich.
>> Right. We'll talk about the rich later.
I just knew that I like I would be like
I'll take care of myself. I'll get money
to do this. But I just didn't know how.
>> Okay. But why nothing? Why? I mean,
young girl growing up in Ghana.
Why nothing?
>> Because I live a simple life. I live a
very simple life and a lot of the things
didn't appeal to me. My mom wanted me to
be a lawyer. It didn't appeal to me. I
never ever thought about being a doctor
ever. And the only thing like me I'm a
soft girl and the air hostess looked
like oh it's a nice job you get to
travel you know all those kind of things
that's the only thing I ever considered
at a point.
>> And how do you navigate
trying not to
become a lawyer in the house if that's
what your mom would do?
>> Oh she just suggested the house I'm from
impose stuff on you. They just said oh I
think you should do this. No I won't do
it. Oh yes I will. Yes.
>> And it wouldn't cause any problems. No,
I'm not from the typical African home.
So it's like it's when I grew up came on
social media and realized that oh people
have curfew then they tell them to do
this do that do this become a this. I'm
like what's what's going on here? Like >> wow.
>> wow.
>> Yeah. My mother listens.
>> As a kid you you could
you could have conversations with your mom.
mom.
>> Yeah. She would have conversations with
me. So I'd have any conversation with
her. There's no conversation. This is
what I can have with my mother. Every
think about the craziest thing I can sit
about it with my mom.
>> Today when you sit with some of your
friends who may have had different
parenting to the one you had. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Do you see a slight difference in the
way they
>> they relate with the friendship circle
compared to you?
>> No, I just see their thinking a
difference in their thinking, their way
of life and things. Yes, I see that. Oh,
because this and this and this thing
happen in their house. So that's why
this and this is what's happening
because in my house you can do this you
see. So I can tell like a different a
difference in personality, a difference
in being vocal, you know, sharing their
thoughts because you can share your
thoughts in my house. Oh, I feel this
and this way about this. No, you
shouldn't be this, you shouldn't be
that. But then in the real world, people
are not trying to hurt people's feelings
in real life or people are actively
trying to hurt people's feelings. Like
there's no balance, you see. But where
I'm from, there's balance. There's
conversations. There's no don't do this.
Do it like this. Well, I don't think
this, you know. Yeah. And there's Sorry.
I'm sorry. Yeah.
>> H Is this how all your other siblings
are? They They're very very open-minded,
very able to communicate. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Wow. from my mother's side.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. That that
means she did a great job. How has that
influenced you as a person that type of preventing?
preventing?
>> Yeah. It's made me confident, very
confident in myself, in my beliefs and
it has it makes me open to understanding
people and everything. Yes. Because my
mother takes time to understand why like
growing up people they will make food
for everybody in the house and they'll
cook rice for me because it's not by
force that I have to eat rice. But then
I found out that they say eat it like in
other places. Yes. So it has made me
understand other people's thought
processes like try to understand why you
think like this and be like oh okay so
this is how some people also think or
this how some people also that's how it
has shaped me. I'm very confident if I
think this way
like that is what I think it is. I'm not
saying that it is like that. I'm just
saying that this way what I think. So if
you don't think so, just say it like
>> somebody would say um because I mean the
home I grew up in
how dare you say you don't want to eat
what we all eaten,
>> you know.
>> I even heard if you break a plate, they
beat you for it.
>> Oh yeah. I mean I was beaten a few times
for breaking a plate.
>> Why would you purposely want to break a
plate? My my my
um my step had father had one of these.
There's a glass um cup like a jar. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. It has some box box around it. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> And they cherished it so much. I mean it
was only when visitors come to the house
that's when we pull it out to sell serve
them water. And you dare not play with it
it
>> because if you break it you might you
might not even stay in the house.
>> But growing up what has that done for you?
you?
>> I mean if I look at the life I have
today, right? M
>> I'm grateful for that path.
>> Maybe if my life had turned out
differently, I would have said something else.
else.
>> But I'm really happy with my life now.
So everything I've been through
>> has not been a mistake or it hasn't been
>> I may not say I can't say it's bad even
though I'm not doing the same thing for
my kids. Do you know what I mean? Like
I'm not beating them when they break
things or it's completely different. But
I was really just trying to figure out
that I'm sure 70 or 80% of the people
you come across
>> they grew up in a home where they were
not as open to conversations,
>> you know.
>> I still not met anybody from a home like
mine. My mom is Muslim on top of that, >> right?
>> right? >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> And I can move about with my hair like
this. Like so
>> I I'm just wondering where she learned
it from. But how
>> she was she was also very
>> she can tell her mother her mind and all
of that. So and I see it with my auntie
and her children as well. Like my auntie
and her children have like a very great
bond because they can talk to her and
they can have conversations within
everything. Regardless, the discipline
is there, but
it's best to be able to tell your
mother, I intend to do this, rather than
sneaking about like I've never thought
about it to go and jump and go and do
something or all of those kind of things
because if you ask for permission and
they say if your mother says go go this
time around she says don't go you now
you wouldn't go. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Because she always allows you. So why is
she feeling like nah this time around I
shouldn't. You see? And then there was I
feel like one of the reasons why my mom
was like that with me was because when I
was I was in school that was at that
time and then I used to go to school bus
like to go and pick up pick the bus and
everything and then there was this time
I said I don't want to go to school and
as I mentioned I was a good student so I
liked school but I just didn't want to
go to school and she forced me to go to
school. When I went to school a car
knocked me down.
>> I feel like guilt is part of the
reasons. Yes. When the car knocked me
down the next week, I was already limp
pain. My leg was swollen and hospital
was so poor here. So I this whole place
melted. She was so sad. She was like,
"Oh my god, she didn't have to go to
school this." So I feel like guilt is
also part of the reason, but not the the
whole reason because I saw how my sister
my sister's related with her growing up
and everything. She's she's just Yeah. Cool.
Cool.
>> Awesome. Now, let's talk about money. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> You you mentioned right now that you
always knew you were going to be rich,
>> but you didn't exactly have a dream of
this is the type of person I want to
become or I want to do this job,
>> which is quite weird because
>> I mean,
>> when you growing up around these areas,
you know, you have to become something,
you know, you know what I mean?
>> And but you for you >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> what made you think that you're always
going to make money? I just have
this feeling like that life is a movie
and I'm part of the main character, so
things will always go well for me. I
just have a positive mindset. Even if
I'm going through the worst things, I
just know that something good is always
going to come out of it. Or I'm going
through this because something good is
going to come out of it. I'm going to
give you an example. Not so long ago,
they were bullying me because here
brought me some package. They were
bullying me about my body and
everything. They were body shaming me.
Yes, I went for a life-changing meeting.
I can't say it's right now because it's
not yet out, right? And one of the heads
there when I was being introduced to him
said, "I know you." And he said, "From
and" and and I was like, "Really?" And
he was like, "Yeah, I've seen you on
social media. I saw when Sami here
brought you the >> package,
>> package,
>> the package in the comments was just
people body shaming me." And he's seen
that and he finds me fit to represent
them in that way. So I always feel like
even if there's something bad, it's
building up to something. You you are
bullying me. The head of this person
maybe feels empathy for me that oh my
god, how can she be going through this
like I I wish this and this and that. So
once my name goes here that oh let's
bring this person here on board for this
and this and that
people be just because of the soft spots
I have I have gained from people because
of the bullying I have gone through.
It's easier for me. That is why I always
say that life is a movie. I'm part of
the main characters. I'm going to go
through hurdles, but it's always going
to bring something positive.
>> In your mental space,
>> this young girl that is listening to you
>> thinking, well, what she's saying is
brilliant. I can't believe that's how
she thinks.
>> How do you figure out that this is how
It's I I feel like it's because of
things that I have been through. You
know when can you hit me five times
right now?
>> Can I who?
>> Hit me. Hit me like keep hitting me like
this. No, no, just do it.
>> Yeah, just just not painful. Just just just
just
>> the way out.
>> So if you keep hitting me like this right
right
>> in the starts I feel a pain but once it
starts going it starts feeling numb.
>> Do you get it? So then you don't start
feeling it again and then you start
realizing that okay that's how come in
SS people do
I used to do in school you hate me you
hate me you hate me hate me at the point
I get like just just just get over with
it and done that's how I view life you
keep saying you you are this you are
this you this you this you realize that
it's not really affecting my life in a
negative way the only thing that can
affect my life in a negative way is if I
actually do something wrong
>> as long as I have not done anything
wrong. You can't hold anything against
me. It's just your feelings about me,
but not the feeling about what I'm
supposed to achieve. There's a
difference between somebody
bullying me for my body and there's a
difference between somebody bullying me
for me raping someone. >> Okay,
>> Okay,
>> those are two things. One can never end
my career, but one can end my career
just like this. So as long as I'm not on
the end that it can end my career, it
doesn't do anything. They are just
opinions. They just thought. So that's
how come I got to this point cuz I
realized that people are spoken and
spoken and spoken. What has changed? It
hasn't changed anything. There's
somebody that doesn't like somebody. So
you are talking about me like this. You
you don't like you know so it doesn't
really alter anything in your life. So
that's how I got to this point. That's
why I always have a positive mindset.
You see, we will talk about this the
aspect of
>> growing a business with content >> and
>> and
>> how people feel about putting a camera
to their face, right?
>> So, you've you've got two businesses. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and you use content to push all of them.
them.
>> The reason I really want you to talk
about this is because
>> somebody wants to use content to also
push their business,
>> but they feel like they're going to be
bullied when they start. Mhm.
>> Somebody's going to think, "Okay, my
nose is too big. My skin is too bright.
My skin is too dark." Do you know what I mean?
mean?
>> But you've been able to really navigate
it well. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Which is why I really want you to tell
the young people
something that will really empower them.
I you have to find solace in the fact
that if somebody bullies you for your
nose, you can just buy a new nose if you
want. you just don't want to. So, you
have to work, put out the content.
People, somebody will bully you, but
somebody will still buy. You have to put
out the content. Also, there are some
people that are like ghost people. But
because of the scam on social media
right now, people don't really like to
purchase from people that don't show
their face. So, you have to somebody you
want to you don't want to post online
because somebody will say your nose is
big online. But when you work in real
life, somebody thinks your nose is big.
In real life, somebody already thinks
that. So just post filter your comments
so that you don't have to see those
things you are selling. Oh, I'm selling
a cup guys. I'm selling this cup. It can
do this and this and this and that. You
post your thing and you go. One person
will say your nose is is big. But
another person is intrigued why this cup
is doing this. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And they want one. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So concentrate on the one that wants the
cup. Get your money up. And once you get
the money on you know money really like
people don't understand this but money
really solves a lot of problem. People
say money is not everything and that's
true but money really solves a lot of
things. It really alters your perception
like the thought that you can afford
something is it's like it gives you
soulless then those times where I used
to feel depressed nowadays I've not been
feeling depressed in a while because I
then I realized that maybe it's because
I didn't I couldn't buy this and this
and that. Maybe I'll be thinking ah then
it will just put me in a state but the
fact that you can afford like little
things if you come and like just just
just ignore people like I know that it's
it will be difficult in the start
>> it will be difficult in the start like
just ignore people it's not easy like
that to just ignore people but then you
have to create the content to make the
money because it's very important money
is very very important money puts you in
high places money makes people give you
value you can go to a restaurant
somebody will be driving a Cora S and
you you be driving G Wagon even ac here
you be driving a Cora S somebody be
driving Gwagon you go and look for
parking space they will say go to the
corner but you with your your G wagon
they remove the bar for you that oh boss
come and share here so at which side of
life do you want to be do you want to be
here or do you want to be here
>> yeah so if you have to pass through
nothing is easy you have to pass through
the hole and and post on social media
these are the obstacles you get as a
business owner People will talk about
you. People will say, "Oh, this girl,
she's posting too much. She's doing
this. She's doing that." You have to. If
you have goals and you want to
accomplish your goals, you have to. And
when you become a likable person on
social media, people will fight for you.
You don't even have to fight your own
fight. Yeah.
>> People fight for you. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Please fight for me.
>> Okay. Watch this. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> A young girl growing up >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> seem to be in a home that really fosters
your growth. Mhm.
>> Um, you go to senior high school, you
know, go through other school systems,
really likable personality. Now, today
you're saying that there was a moment
where you felt depressed because maybe
you didn't have money. I mean, I'm I'm
struggling to marry the two
>> um of coming from such a home
>> and saying that you didn't have enough
money initially. having being laughed
from home doesn't mean that you can
afford the fanciest stuff in life. You
know, when I was in classics, my mom
lost her business. She used to
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>> She used to go to Togo, China and
everything. They seized her good at a
point from class when I was in classics.
But I never noticed till I got to SH um
SHs because she made sure that she found
we at least school fees there. She'll
make sure that I pay. So
being able to afford the basics doesn't
mean that you can afford the fanciest
stuff. My mom sold all her cars. She
didn't have a car at some point. So
you have I have enough stability
>> to my the basics are done. Like my
school fees has been paid and my weekly
money has been given to me. But is that
where I want to be? Like is that all I
want to be? Like I want to see a nice
dress and buy it. I want to see this
jewelry and buy it. So because of the
opportunities I have had, I don't have
to think about paying my school fees. I
don't have to think about taking care of
my nephews or anything. So that means
that I have an advantage in life. Not
having all these responsibilities is
already an advantage.
>> So now with this advantage that I have,
what can I make out of it? start
if my weekly money is 150 Ghana CDs.
Somebody's taking,000 Ghana CDs, why
can't I also have thousand Ghana CDs if
I make if I if I can make it by myself,
you see? So, yes, I have the basics.
They took care of me. They paid my fees
and everything. But I don't want to be
an average person. I don't want to be
just an average person. I want to be
feel comfortable, you see, feel I want
to also make my own money and for my
mother to be proud of me as well, you
know, because I was a shy kid at a
point. Yeah. And I don't know some of my
aunties will be saying this girl when
she goes to school this that that that.
So I had people to prove wrong too. >> Right.
>> Right.
>> Yes. I had people to prove wrong to
>> figure it out.
>> Yeah. I figured it out. have people to
prove wrong and then tell them that nah
this your this your daughter.
>> So there were people in the family that
were not on your side. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> But not my nuclear family. Okay.
Extended family. Yes.
>> Yes. I was trying to figure it out.
>> Yeah. That is it.
>> So it wasn't always, you know, moms
wants you to do this, everybody
supporting you. You didn't always have
the support, right? No.
>> There were people outside of the, you
know, the nuclear family
>> that were pointing fingers. I'm not sure
about that. is always on her phone. Why?
Why is she always on Snapchat? This your
daughter. Then they'll come like my
mother traveled at some point. So I had
to go and live with a relative. Your
daughter is doing this this that
like every day miss I'm like what? What
have I all I've done is use my phone
then they'll seize my phone. They'll do
this. So I'm glad that because of my
>> Yeah. So maybe I had people to prove
wrong as well.
>> Yeah. But at which point did you start
>> Maybe my whole life. But like the
determin or the determination
>> the actual the happened. Okay.
>> I went through a scandal.
>> Yes. I went through a scandal. Can I
see? Okay. So like I feel like I said
this everywhere but um a nude video was
posted and it was deleted in 5 minutes
because it wasn't me. But then they had
already posted it. You know, people like
J and everything. It was all over the
blog and I wanted to kill myself. I
wrote her suicide note. I was going to
kill myself. Then another reached out to
me. She reached out to me. She hung out
with me the whole day. I came back home.
I was like, "Ah, if doesn't care even if
it was me in the video, she doesn't
care. What's there to care about?" So
that time people were viewing my story
and my sister sells underwear and all of
that. So I posted the underwear and
yes she got bias. That was day two. Day
three I posted my products because I had
made that's the organics the first oil.
Then I made it for free and posted it on YouTube.
YouTube. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> And did the whole process and posted it
on YouTube because I wasn't I didn't
intend to sell at that point. But on the
third day I was like no let me make this
something from for myself. So, I had
like some of the oils and I put them in
bottles. It had no label. I had them in
bottles and it was just 10. Then I
posted on my social media that the oil
that you people have been forcing me to
make s I've made it and I have 100
pieces. So, I need you guys to purchase
it and everything. And then the 10 that
I had got finished in 30 minutes. So,
they thought 100 bottles got finished in
30 minutes, but it was just 10 bottles.
And because of that the demand because
people are like 800 and they finish this
one so now we have to pre-order right
now before so I open pre-order and
that's the start of the organics as well.
well.
>> This is the second time I'm hearing a guest
guest
saying that they built audience
>> either deliberately or by accident.
>> Mhm. built audience and then they
decided to
>> find products and services for the
audience buy.
>> I mean, and this is the real power of influencing,
influencing,
>> right? When you build a brand and people
are I mean, I'm sure people are watching
this episode and then they like what
you're wearing.
>> So, anyway, give me the affiliate link.
I'll drop you in the comments. >> Okay?
>> Okay? >> Right?
>> Right?
>> And then they want to But this is the
the real power of influencing.
>> So, someone is watching right now and
you're thinking, where do I start? It
starts with a small circle you have, you
start creating content either on
Snapchat, Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And when you've built some sort of
audience, maybe in the beginning you'll
do it for fun, right? Just
>> doing a lifestyle video for fun, but at
some point you realize that nah, okay,
now let's let's put some business hat
>> on and then, you know, advertise some
products to the people.
>> This is great. It's actually the second
time a young lady is telling me this
>> cuz I didn't start out to be a contest.
I didn't even know what that was. I
didn't even know what it was in 2019. I
mean, I just I just had the followers.
So, it was like one brand reached out to
me that she wants to give me bags so
that I posted. So, I collected bags the
first time and then the next time it was
like a big company and they they they
did photo shoot with me for 800s and I
was so happy.
>> I see.
So that was when I was like oh so this
is a thing like people get paid >> to
>> to
start making money from these things. I
was like okay then this is something I
can't consider. So that's when they
started. So when they paid me the 800 CS
and then I later I was like but this job
is playing to you for 800s. So that's
when I started upping the prices and I
started like finding out talking to
people and everything and I it started
like making sense. That's when I started
finding my feet in like the content
creation part and co happened and we're
all home. So now people were watching my
page and the reach grew and everything.
Then I changed my YouTube from
hair cuz I was just doing hair on
YouTube to showing my personality. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Then people found me funny
>> and then they would cut like short
clips, post it on social. I was making
memes and everything and that's also
part of the reasons why I sort of blew
up and yeah so I can't really pinpoint
that's why when you ask me if there's
one picture I can't yes
>> it's just like things that we're
building up
>> it's it's but but essentially it's been
content content content
>> right it started off
>> with content >> yes
>> yes
>> well by accident
>> and then you know you put intentionality
and started actually doing it to yourself
yourself
>> you And this is why content is very
powerful. So now let's talk about your
company DI organics and um >> studio.
>> studio.
>> Now I think you've already hinted how
you started it. Where did you get the
money to start it
>> or you didn't have any money?
>> Oh, it wasn't hard. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Cuz I had um
they give me money weekly for school.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> So, I had like um all I needed was the
bottle and I just needed 50 CDs for that
for the bottles cuz I didn't put label
on it or anything on the product or
anything like I just needed a bottle and
that time bottles were not expensive.
Yes. So, it wasn't very hard like I just
had 50 CDs that I put inside the first
one. So, the ones I took pre-orders from.
from. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> When I took the pre-orders,
>> you got the money
>> and I got the money and put it back
inside. And then my brother trusted me
with an Okada bike
and I started Okada business and
realized that transport service business
is not my field. So I sold it and put it
back into the business and then I went
into a competition. I think it's called
Sunlight Shirro. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. So, Sunlight was doing a
competition and they said, "Write your
business pitch to them and everything."
And then they selected 10 people and
they kept short listing, shortlisting
>> so this product you were making? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You had it before the thought of making
into a business.
>> Yes. I didn't want to make it into a
business. I was doing it for free on
social media
>> and you were using the product yourself.
>> Yes. Yes. So that's how that's how my
first I have people that have been using
my products from then because they know
I had cut my hair and that was what I
was using to grow my hair. So it was
something I posted that oh guys this is
what I do to this the oil I used to grow
my hair. So people are like oh we can't
find this herbs here we can't find this
herbs here and I like please I'm not
going to do anything like
>> I'm no I'm a student I'm not coming to
do business you know all those things.
So it was my oil that had made that I
poured into the bottles. Okay.
>> To sell. So then when they pre-ordered
cuz the oil takes time to make that's
why they had to pre-order for me to like
make it. Yes. So I was I started with
the oils. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. But then I realized that like I
have to expand as a business. So just
oil is not enough. If they if they
believe me to be using my oil then
shampoo is needed, deep conditioner is
needed, all of that. So that's when I
went to school. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> For it.
>> Yes. went to school, learned the
formulations and all of that and
I started became the product like I
expanded and had like a lot of product
in there.
>> I mean, you could have just focused on
being an influencer. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Right. But for me, what I just love
about um your story is the fact that you
added business to it
>> because you know that your brand can
influence people to even buy your products.
products.
>> Yeah. And you can't be an influencer for
the rest of your life. Your time will pass.
pass.
I wonder
I I would I I would take that statement again.
again. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. You can't be an influencer for the
rest of your your life. Your time will
pass. People will come. People will be
younger. People will be more vibrant.
People will be more in tune with the
culture as opposed to you. That's why
there are generations. Millennials have
a different thought process as compared
to the genesis. And that's the same way
that the gen's will have a different
thought process as the genes, the ones
coming out. So you can't always be on
top. There are just some few cases or
people like Nana Brown that she's still
like handling the deals but on rare
cases that you are still relevant to
that point. Okay. There was a the
meeting I was in yesterday they were
looking for artist to do something and
then they mentioned they were like oh
the top three musicians that we know
they already big they already okay
people know them but they looking for
someone that appeals to the younger
people. So that's always going to be it.
So you can't be dependent on it. You
just have to find a way to make sure
that your influence starts working for
you when people don't see your face.
Yes. So you have to find something. Not necessarily
necessarily
be be like start selling. You can start
something. If you're an influencer, you
can start an agency because now you're
connected to people. Can start
something. Even if it is even if it is
your 9 to5, you can find a way to infuse
your influence into something that can
keep working for you when you are
sleeping. When when there are days where
you don't want to show your face, when
there are days where you want to have a
vacation for one month, but then there's
still something running for you because
influencing can be very dicey. You can
lose it. Like I don't even know how come
I've been relevant from 2019 till now
cuz like it's a long time usually like
some people are just there for like some
months and then they are gone. So the
moment you get that people are looking
at you you have to find something and
put it inside like find something and
just put the influence inside like
otherwise you can't you can't be oh you
can't be um popular forever. It's not possible.
possible.
You can people will hear about you but
you can't have that hold on people
forever. It's fact that people have to
start dealing with but it can be your
it's like football you can't play
football for the rest of your life you
have to even if you don't want to retire
>> they will retire you will retire you.
Yes. So that's the same with
influencing. If you're lucky to be able
to to to be an influencer for 10 years,
12 years,
that's a blessing. So that 10 years, you
should be able to 10 years is a long
time for you to be able to build
something like people's attention being
on you for 10 years. Wow, what were you
doing? Like that's amazing. So within
that 10 years, when now you are telling
your children that hey me when I was
there, I was popping. What did you do
within that 10 years? You have to find
something to do in that 10 years.
>> No, I love it. Yeah. This this is like
some of the things the hard truths that
people don't want to hear.
>> That you know, you're not going to be on
top forever.
>> The time is going to come when somebody
else is going to >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and then you you you'll be
there. You'll be stuck there.
Now Emma, what's the the biggest
challenge you faced in influencing brands?
>> Sometimes my biggest challenge is that
you see I don't prep
like when I'm going to interviews I
never ask what questions will you ask
me? I am on the sport. I'm I'm an on the
sport thinker. But sometimes I'm
supposed to write script on what I'm
supposed to do. I can write the script
and then I'll go here and now I'm like
nah I think this will work better cuz I
work on the spot like in the middle of
it like I can be looking at the product
before I'm like okay I think this will
work better but sometimes it doesn't
work with some brands they want you to
script it or they have their own story
line to give you for you to put out. You
see that becomes difficult because it's
not just bad for your brand, it's bad
for my brand as well. Cuz if you come on
my TikTok and you're seeing 500,000
views, 400,000 views, and then that one
brand post is 50,000 views, it's not
good for me. It's not a good look for
me. But then some brands don't allow
allow you to feel free and exercise your
creative freedom. So that's one of like
the big challenges when it comes to
>> do brands take influencing in Ghana
seriously? Brands, not the influencers.
like seriously as in you know put
contracts together, pay them what they
are due.
>> Not every brand, but some brands take
brands seriously and some influencers
seriously and some brands don't.
It's a mixed thing. It's like a 50/50,
but right now they are starting to take
influencers seriously. I think it's
better now than when we started in 2019.
Yeah. Like brands are starting to
understand the power that social media
has as compared to traditional media. So
they starting to pay people their worth.
So when it all boils down to influencers
cuz one influencer will say this one I'm
taking 10,000. Another one will say oh
yeah can give me the 5k like that. You
see? So then you ruin stuff and it's
like if this person is taking this one I
might paying you this. You get
>> this reminds me of the type of work
shatter had to do to fight for musicians
in the country.
>> Um fight for what they they they deserve.
deserve.
>> Um you know show money and and all of
that. And now you know artists are
really enjoying.
>> I heard um Aiku Santana was saying this
as well on the on on TV station but when
he started we we didn't understand him. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> You know is there real unity in in in
>> Unity that is um a very subjective word
What is unity in this context? Okay,
>> that it depends on that. What is unity
in this context? Is it that are they
friends or are they sharing opinions?
>> Yep. And then do they work together to
demand you know fair pay
>> that? No. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> But it's because there's no who is going
in the country that we are in right now.
I went on an interview like 3 years ago
and I mentioned that I was paid $5,000
for a brand cuz I felt like it was a
conversation so that the other people
coming up will know that okay this is
what you can be worth from a brand that
understands you and everybody said I was
lying I'm a liar I'm lying so now who
wants to have the conversation cuz when
somebody tried you almost
so it's like nobody's willing to be the
forefront or have that conversation with
like oh like influencers let's gather
here let's have this conversation the
thing too is that people are afraid of
sellout we we can all agree to something
and somebody will go and spoil it like
it has happened to me before it has
happened to me before so it's like the
country we are in right now people don't
like to talk about finances or give
figures to finances but I feel like it's
a realistic conversation to know what to
expect in the real world like if I am
supposed to be a banker how much am I
supposed to expect but everybody's
hiding their salary like but I get it
too because There are people who pocket
watch. But then if we had honest
conversations about money with figures,
not net worth, your net worth, like
>> if I post four post, how much if I have
500,000 followers, how much is is a good amount.
amount.
>> A range. Yes.
>> It's it's a good conversation so that
people know what to expect and
everything, but nobody's willing to have
that kind of conversation. >> Where
>> Where
you live in a country where unemployment
is really high.
>> Mhm. Do you genuinely think that
influencing is a way that young people
can start making money for themselves?
>> Yeah, if you do it well, if you do it
wisely, if you position yourself well
and brand yourself well, you can make a
lot of money from it. I I don't know.
People keep saying that influencing is
oversaturated. I don't think so. >> Okay,
>> Okay,
>> anybody can be an influencer. Look at
the number of lawyers that complete
ruins. There are a lot doctors, plenty.
So why why why is influencing
oversaturated? The brands will know who
they want to pick. Everybody should post
the brands now when they come they'll
see who they want and as I as I said
earlier on that some things are great.
If this is your field you will shine
regardless of whoever is around. So I
don't think there's oversaturation in
it's it's a good way to make money like
easy money. No not easy but like easy
money as compared to being a lawyer and
having to put articles. So, so, so, so,
so, so, so, so. Honestly, I'd rather do
a day in my life. I'd rather that, you
see. So, it's a it's a it's a way of
making easy money as compared to what
you can meet from the real world in the
real world. Like putting out content.
You can never compare that to being a cleaner.
cleaner.
>> You can't compare that to being a
plumber. You can't compare that to like
it's a diff like it's there are more
difficult jobs than creating content. So
when you are a content creator, it
usually comes to you naturally. But
being a plumber, you have to go through
a lot. Yes. You see, so it's easier as
compared to something. So if you feel
like you can do it, just put your work
out there.
>> I mean, what's even more beautiful is
that once you've built the brand, you
can build a business behind it.
>> Yeah. Behind it.
>> So now you don't have to be dependent on
brands because there are days where home
you also not get a gig.
>> I see. It's possible
unless you are like
you have like brand ambassadorial deals
and that doesn't come easily. I started
in 2019 and it is last year I started
getting brand ambassadorial deals,
brands that want to work with me for a
year. So you have to work your way up
for the brands to see that okay I want
to retain you for one year cuz one year
money is not easy.
>> So they want to see why you they should
keep you for one year. why you'll be
valuable to them for the next one year
cuz attention span. So you have to work
your way. You don't just turn up and
then tomorrow night they'll pick you
though. So there are months where you
will not see any money. In fact 3 months
you may not see money.
>> Yeah. I see.
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
>> But I mean instead of staying at home
>> um after university and just waiting for
you to be employed. I mean
>> you can create content.
>> You can create content right because you
could end up staying at home for 5 years
still no job.
>> Yes. And even even that one you see the
problem with Ghanaians and the reason
why there's over saturation is that
everybody wants to be a food content
creator. Everybody wants to do
lifestyle. when you are unemployed
after university that can also be a
content idea
struggles of this what I did from school
like there's so many content ideas you
can come up with with your situation
that you don't have to you are
struggling you don't you don't have a
job you can talk about how you've not
got a job and everything but you would
rather wake up and fry egg force
everybody knows how to fry egg everybody
knows how to you know do these kind of
things so what you you have to you just
have to find that content that will make
you stand out. That unemployment a lot
of people can relate to you. So you can
get a lot of audience from unemployment
and how your struggles and everything
like relatability is like the key, >> okay,
>> okay,
>> to getting on top. You have to be
relatable to somebody at least a group
of people cuz if you're not relatable to
anybody who is coming on your page to
watch you. If let's say I'm cooking
food, chef Abby is cooking food. The the
people who can't cook cook come to her
page because they want to learn how to
cook from her page right now. If we talk
about you connected minds right now,
somebody wants to understand business,
they'll come here. So everything your
whatever content you are doing, you have
to be relatable. But if every day are
waking up in the morning to do this and
sweep and this, there's so many people
that have done that.
>> So what's special about you? See what's
special about you that you you can build
an audience and later put it into
business. You see and whatever content
having an audience is different from
having a cult.
>> Okay. Talk to me. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Some audience they just sitting there
watching you. A cult is people that me
I'm part of sack nation cult. If sodia
is shoe that ft shoe they were selling
it. I would have bought it because of
sodi. That is a cause. That is people
that you know that they are always going
to buy something just because you held
it or something. So you have to see find
a way to build that type of people. That
is how you can move them from here
to your own brand to your own business.
You get it? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. So there whole lot of business
ideas you can come up with once you have
a lot of followers. I mean it can be
seasonal business like world cup is
coming right now. You have followers
that believe in you. Sella, sell
something that people will buy in that
moment. It can be seasonal later. You
can think about long-term business, but
try your best to make sure that you make
the best out of every moment so that
when they pass,
you know that at least you did something.
something.
>> For somebody who has come from,
creating content,
um essentially stumbled upon business as
luck. If you think about it >> um
>> um
>> in terms of the row structures of a business,
business,
>> the way you run a business is different
from how you
>> create content. Create content. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. >> Right.
>> Right. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, how are you running the business?
>> So, my business I am the founder
and content creator. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> We I've delegated. I know my stronghold.
I know. Well, so when it comes to
finances, I have a relationships
manager. When it comes to social media,
I have somebody. When it comes to
receptionist at the shop, I have
somebody. When it comes to somebody that
replies to messages, I have somebody
because me, I can't come and reply
messages. Okay? So, I know my strength
and what I can do. My strength is to
look like the ambassador of the brand.
Although I'm the founder, I'm still the
ambassador of the brand. There are
people that they are good at either each
of the positions. So I've hired them to
take care of that part. At the end of
the day, we come, we have conversations.
Oh, this and this and this and that. I
think this and this and this and that.
>> But the end of the day,
you know your strength. Me my own is to
be the to get the bias. But how to
retain the bias or to keep them coming
back can be through customer service. It
can be fast replies like how they
apologize to you when we delay. There
are people that will do that. You see
that's so that's how I've done it. like
I have delegated task to people so that
everything can be run smoothly.
>> What are some of the challenges you
faced in that business?
>> Oh, when I was starting out was the
responding to people.
>> Yes. And then what to do when there's an
issue like there's a delay in delivery
because sometimes it's not me. Sometimes
the delivery service they can keep the
package. Yeah. Some sometimes it can be
me because maybe I missed an order or
something. But my I never started as the
average business person. I started with
plenty orders. You see, you know that
there are some business people that
started with selling just one a day and
two a day and God willing their business
blew up in some years time and everything.
everything.
>> For two years in my business, I was not
making any money.
>> Exactly. 2 years. So I feel like people
can navigate more than
like me at that point because you see
you you you took time to build your
structure to understand yourself to
understand your flaws. It's like being
popular you know some people just become
popular boom like that and now they
don't know what to do with themselves. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Yes. So that's what the business came
boom like this like n me how do I tell
this person I'm sorry that what's what
like you know like it was hard for me.
It was so hard for me and my worry every
time was oh god I hope the way I spoke
to this person this person will come
back again I hope this this li guy kill
me oh this like like I was all over the
place cuz I never started with one set
one order now you know that okay if I
package it if it's just one order and
this delivery service disappoints you
you don't know to go there again now me
I'm sending you 100 order your first the
first time where where is my left and
right like now you've embarrassed me 20
people straight I have to beg 80 people.
Like it was too much. It was too much
for me. In the early days was when I
hired somebody to start responding to me
to my my messages on Instagram. Like
early like one year into the business. I
was like, "No, I'm done. It's either I
stop this or like I stopped this
business cuz I start I did a little bit
of skincare at a point cuz I used to do
my own skinare product, right? And then
it was African black soap. Now, African
black soap when you use it on your face,
you don't leave it on your face for 15
minutes, it will burn you. >> Okay?
>> Okay?
>> Yes. You need to use to wash your face
in a circular motion for 1 minute. And
that's what I was doing. And then I sold
it to somebody and the person said, "Hi,
your product has burnt my skin. I I left
it for 15 minutes." I was like, "You
left the product for 15 minutes?
Business shut down." I was done with it
because I can't live with the thoughts
that somebody used my products and then
they hurt their their face and I just
shut down the business. But at this
point at this point in my life because
I've delegated people and everything
they would have found like the right
response to give the person and then
we'll find like a solution and
everything but at that point I knew
nothing about business. It was just
loss, loss, loss, loss, loss. Like not
loss financially, but like I probably
lose like some customers,
delivery, packaging,
overselling cuz I didn't have a website
at that time. So maybe I probably
oversell without even noticing. I really
struggled when I when I was starting. I
struggled to some people will be a
blessing. But to me at that point, if I
didn't take time
>> ah so right, he opened the orders. Mhm.
>> There's a lot of orders, but there's not
enough stock.
>> Yes. No. Yeah. Like in different in
different points at different points cuz
I was just using Instagram, right? So,
I'm taking orders. Oh, I want a set.
I've taken. I've taken. Now, it's time
to pack and now
>> there's no Yes. And then the oil is not
some oil that you can do 24 hours, >> right?
>> right?
>> You need like a month for it to sit, get
like the herbs and everything. So it's
like now I have to come and beg you that
I'm sorry and one month is a long time
and that time although I could make 100
it was still small for me
>> because of the orders that were
>> Yes. So the balance and I was it was
just me. I was just the only person
calling people who do label looking for
packaging bottles like so delegation has
been the best thing ever. I mean like so
how how do you naturally um
>> deal with pressure
>> like this type of pressure?
>> Yeah. Like I'm I I I'm so sad. Me I
don't like disappointing people. So I'll
be like I'll be so sad. But one thing
about me is we have to find a a a
solution. Like we will find I'll find a
solution. Like I'll beg you oh I'm sorry
this and this and that. Like please. But
I feel bad that we even had to get to
that point where I as a business person
I don't know if I can use these words
here but you have to learn how to kiss ass
ass
in the person buying your products DM
you have to I beg you oh I didn't know
like the pressure I was like I'm to this
I'm surprised that nobody called me out
at that point in my life and it's like
God bless you people for what you did
for me cuz I don't know maybe it was
just consideration that it was
consideration that I'm not a scam if
anything I'm still not a scam
>> so they know they'll receive it they
will keep long but they will still
receive it
>> so I think it's showing my face and
people knowing the face behind the
person that there's no way this person
will scam is you see and the the trust I
built with my followers as like this
already before so it's like there's no
way she was scammer. So that was what I
helped me.
>> Did you not think of giving up?
>> Ah I I said I closed down my skin care
business. I thought about it and did
some but later I was like nah
let me relax. Let me relax but this
thing is getting me good money. I was in uni
uni
and the thought of me being able to
afford certain things kept the
motivation there that we have to do
this. So the time that I when I was able
to sort out everybody's orders, that was
when I took time to go to school as
well. So when I went to school and I
asked, "Oh, where do you put these
bottles? Where do you do this label?
Where do you do this? Where do you do
that?" So then I start like paying for
all these things for you to come for it
for me to see that. I don't go and
collect a client's money and say, "Oh,
it's coming next." Go.
>> I stop pre-order. No, the item has to be
here. Then I'll tell you that it's here
now, so come for it. because you don't
know which supplier will embarrass you
cuz some of the things are coming from
abroad and all of that. So that's how
come I said like so it got better then I
hired somebody to be replying to my
Instagram DM. So even if there's
pressure me I don't see the pressure again
again
>> you you are handling the pressure. So to
me we are all good maybe you give me a
report at the end of the weekend I'll be
like oh so this is what you will do. Oh
sorry but I don't really work well under
pressure. I would give up. So it was
that's when I decided I hired somebody
and then she was replying to the
messages and all of that and I started
focusing on production and school and
everything and then things started like
going smoothly for me. You're a very
interesting business person
>> in the sense that a lot of the people
I've spoken with who run businesses they they they
they they
pressure is what m them
>> right because it's
>> it's inevitable that if you're running
the business
>> there will be pressure. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Right.
>> Right. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um but you seem to be on the other side
like everything you're doing is just
very seamless. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
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There was a time I put a product on
Amazon. This is when the business was struggling. So, I put a product on
struggling. So, I put a product on Amazon at a lower price than the lowest
Amazon at a lower price than the lowest price on Amazon.
price on Amazon. >> I had not even calculated how much money
>> I had not even calculated how much money I was going to make from it.
I was going to make from it. >> I came back on Monday and we had over
>> I came back on Monday and we had over $200 orders.
$200 orders. >> The Amazon account got cancelled anyway
>> The Amazon account got cancelled anyway because I could not meet
because I could not meet >> the demand. Very similar thing. The
>> the demand. Very similar thing. The stock was not in. People were not even
stock was not in. People were not even bringing me the stock and I didn't even
bringing me the stock and I didn't even have enough money
have enough money >> to go and buy because
>> to go and buy because >> it was terrible.
>> it was terrible. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And I lost the account.
>> And I lost the account. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> But the thought never came in together
>> But the thought never came in together ever. M
ever. M >> I mean I've done several businesses well
>> I mean I've done several businesses well over 10 businesses some of them failed
over 10 businesses some of them failed thought never comes in to give up
thought never comes in to give up >> to give yeah it's a good thing
>> to give yeah it's a good thing >> like it's always yeah well I mean how
>> like it's always yeah well I mean how else am I going to survive
else am I going to survive >> I have to do business kind of thing
>> I have to do business kind of thing >> it's amazing my own are going to provide
>> yeah yeah what message do you have for the young girl watching you who is
the young girl watching you who is looking for inspiration in life. Yeah,
looking for inspiration in life. Yeah, I'm going to tell you that people get
I'm going to tell you that people get opportunities all the time,
opportunities all the time, but it is what you can make out of the
but it is what you can make out of the opportunity that is going to make you or
opportunity that is going to make you or break you. Don't think any opportunity
break you. Don't think any opportunity is too small for you to make something
is too small for you to make something out of it. People make the most out of
out of it. People make the most out of the smallest one. So, no matter the
the smallest one. So, no matter the opportunity you get, try your best to
opportunity you get, try your best to put some value to it. That's what's
put some value to it. That's what's going to keep you. Number two, if you
going to keep you. Number two, if you are not going to take anything from me,
are not going to take anything from me, please take this from me
please take this from me that loving yourself is very important
that loving yourself is very important and having self-confidence and believing
and having self-confidence and believing in yourself that it's having
in yourself that it's having self-confidence that makes people take
self-confidence that makes people take certain risk that everybody selling
certain risk that everybody selling clothes me I'll sell clothes and people
clothes me I'll sell clothes and people buy my own. Why do you think it's
buy my own. Why do you think it's because of your confidence and your
because of your confidence and your belief in yourself that make you feel
belief in yourself that make you feel like people have been selling clothes
like people have been selling clothes you are not coming to start your own but
you are not coming to start your own but you start your own and people sell it.
you start your own and people sell it. will always and it's okay to fail. It's
will always and it's okay to fail. It's okay to fail. Fail, fail, fail, fail,
okay to fail. Fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail, fail. But at least you know
fail, fail, fail. But at least you know that you tried and you failed. And
that you tried and you failed. And sometime
sometime don't take that feel failing. Try again
don't take that feel failing. Try again and see. Try again and see. Because me
and see. Try again and see. Because me the content creation, I went like this
the content creation, I went like this more. I came back again. At a point like
more. I came back again. At a point like 6 months, I wasn't getting gigs. But I
6 months, I wasn't getting gigs. But I didn't stop. I continued. So you have
didn't stop. I continued. So you have even if you feel don't say that, oh,
even if you feel don't say that, oh, it's not my own. Try again and see. If
it's not my own. Try again and see. If you try some one or two and realize that
you try some one or two and realize that okay and you find another path then you
okay and you find another path then you can but then giving up is not something
can but then giving up is not something I've done I've given up on certain
I've done I've given up on certain things that I wish I had stayed
things that I wish I had stayed consistent. So giving up is not
consistent. So giving up is not something that you should consider like
something that you should consider like easily. Yes. And create that content and
easily. Yes. And create that content and put it out there because somebody's
put it out there because somebody's watching and somebody can relate to it
watching and somebody can relate to it and yeah
and yeah >> I mean how this is a a happy question.
>> I mean how this is a a happy question. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. How has starting your own business
How has starting your own business improved your life?
improved your life? >> Very much. It has improved my life so
>> Very much. It has improved my life so much. Like I feel
much. Like I feel good about myself because of the reviews
good about myself because of the reviews that I get from my hair product and
that I get from my hair product and everything. Like me, I've never hired an
everything. Like me, I've never hired an influencer before.
influencer before. >> Like they come and post their own
>> Like they come and post their own videos, they post their own reviews. I
videos, they post their own reviews. I never ask anybody to do that. So it's
never ask anybody to do that. So it's like the fact that my products make
like the fact that my products make people give people this this hope that
people give people this this hope that oh my edges can come back again my this
oh my edges can come back again my this can come back again makes me feel
can come back again makes me feel important and then when I'm able to go
important and then when I'm able to go to certain rooms
to certain rooms right now people still don't respect
right now people still don't respect people being influencers and content
people being influencers and content creators so it gives me something solid
creators so it gives me something solid behind
behind that oh yeah I'm a content creator but
that oh yeah I'm a content creator but then I can handle a business I've been
then I can handle a business I've been doing this for 5 years so I can handle a
doing this for 5 years so I can handle a business it will go left right but it
business it will go left right but it will still stand
will still stand and the first time I wanted to do an
and the first time I wanted to do an inerson sale in March and the people
inerson sale in March and the people that came
that came to buy the product whether is to see me
to buy the product whether is to see me whether is to buy the product I made
whether is to buy the product I made number of people come there and
number of people come there and like it's a conversation that when I go
like it's a conversation that when I go to rooms I'm happy to show oh look at
to rooms I'm happy to show oh look at this picture yeah this is all me like
this picture yeah this is all me like this is all me and I did it in two weeks
this is all me and I did it in two weeks >> I did that in two weeks
>> I did that in two weeks So having a business
So having a business makes me feel good like you and you feel
makes me feel good like you and you feel a sense of belonging a thriving business
a sense of belonging a thriving business that you put this and this and this and
that you put this and this and this and this together and you able to come to
this together and you able to come to this and you're able to make this is
this and you're able to make this is >> and it just gives you respect.
>> and it just gives you respect. >> It just gives you respect like
>> It just gives you respect like especially when it's a thriving business
especially when it's a thriving business just gives you some respect to when you
just gives you some respect to when you have the influence in oh she can
have the influence in oh she can influence this but she has a business
influence this but she has a business too. So, how about your finances? It's
too. So, how about your finances? It's changed. Now you're happier. You can buy
changed. Now you're happier. You can buy the things you want.
the things you want. >> I have a standard black car.
>> They gave me a private banking car. >> Yeah. Yeah. I can buy like the things I
>> Yeah. Yeah. I can buy like the things I want, but I've still not bought a G.
want, but I've still not bought a G. >> I'll buy it.
>> I'll buy it. >> It will happen. Yeah,
>> It will happen. Yeah, >> it will happen. Yeah. But yeah, like the
>> it will happen. Yeah. But yeah, like the basics.
>> I don't like I can buy like the basics that I need.
that I need. Yeah,
Yeah, >> I'm happy for you.
>> I'm happy for you. >> I'm happy for me.
>> I'm happy for me. >> Happy for you. Um, okay, great.
>> Happy for you. Um, okay, great. >> Is there anything we could have spoken
>> Is there anything we could have spoken about that we haven't?
>> You >> ah
>> ah >> yeah what's why did you pick me to come
>> yeah what's why did you pick me to come on the podcast? What makes you select
on the podcast? What makes you select your audience? Okay. So, the name
your audience? Okay. So, the name Amaband came up. It came up last year.
Amaband came up. It came up last year. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> I got a message from my boys, you know,
>> I got a message from my boys, you know, we need to we need to get Amaband on the
we need to we need to get Amaband on the show and then the name came up again
show and then the name came up again this year and as soon as I got a message
this year and as soon as I got a message and I said, I've been seeing that she
and I said, I've been seeing that she has some business.
has some business. >> I think this is the time. I mean, look,
>> I think this is the time. I mean, look, 2026, our plan is to interview more
2026, our plan is to interview more ladies to empower young girls as well.
ladies to empower young girls as well. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> Cuz we've done two years, and the two
>> Cuz we've done two years, and the two years we've spoken to a lot of men. Now,
years we've spoken to a lot of men. Now, I want to do women.
I want to do women. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> More.
>> More. So, I said, "Yes, I'd love to speak to
So, I said, "Yes, I'd love to speak to her." So, that's why.
her." So, that's why. >> And I have two more questions, but I'm
>> And I have two more questions, but I'm going to put it in one. One, why did you
going to put it in one. One, why did you start Connected Mind Podcast? Ah,
start Connected Mind Podcast? Ah, >> and wait two, two, two, two.
>> and wait two, two, two, two. What is the goal for this podcast?
What is the goal for this podcast? >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Two questions. So
>> Two questions. So >> listeners and viewers, now I'm no longer
>> listeners and viewers, now I'm no longer interviewing interview me.
interviewing interview me. >> All right.
>> All right. Why did I start connected Mind Podcast?
Why did I start connected Mind Podcast? >> Information has changed my life.
>> Information has changed my life. Mentorship has changed my life.
Mentorship has changed my life. Being different has changed my life.
Being different has changed my life. Um so when I came to Ghana 6 years ago
Um so when I came to Ghana 6 years ago I realized that a lot of people don't
I realized that a lot of people don't have the right information.
have the right information. In fact, um when I came, you know, the
In fact, um when I came, you know, the first the second car I bought in Ghana
first the second car I bought in Ghana was a Range Rover.
was a Range Rover. >> And there was a day I was driving the
>> And there was a day I was driving the car and then this guy walked past me and
car and then this guy walked past me and said, "When can I seek a drill? We will
said, "When can I seek a drill? We will do some."
do some." And I said, I turned around, I said,
And I said, I turned around, I said, "What did you say?" And he repeated and
"What did you say?" And he repeated and I said, "You can go and try."
I said, "You can go and try." I had some neighbors in my neighborhood
I had some neighbors in my neighborhood who were not sure about me, were not
who were not sure about me, were not sure about how I'm making my money.
sure about how I'm making my money. And anytime young people would come to
And anytime young people would come to me very not very bold, it bothered me
me very not very bold, it bothered me >> and I said, I'm going to bring this
>> and I said, I'm going to bring this podcast back cuz I had started in 2017
podcast back cuz I had started in 2017 at 18 in London and I stopped. So I
at 18 in London and I stopped. So I brought it back to give people hope that
brought it back to give people hope that there are people who are doing
there are people who are doing legit business
legit business >> that they can learn from.
>> that they can learn from. >> And then also the information the the
>> And then also the information the the how do we do this? Look lives are
how do we do this? Look lives are changing now. People did not even
changing now. People did not even understand how to buy stocks, where to
understand how to buy stocks, where to go to um they didn't have very simple
go to um they didn't have very simple information about business that simply
information about business that simply by doing this people have the
by doing this people have the information today and I'm so happy about
information today and I'm so happy about that. So that's why I started connected
that. So that's why I started connected minds. It's not it's something I love.
minds. It's not it's something I love. It's I love to teach. I love to to you
It's I love to teach. I love to to you know when I learn something I'm excited
know when I learn something I'm excited to come and teach it.
to come and teach it. >> So doing this and interviewing people
>> So doing this and interviewing people like yourself and people like yourself
like yourself and people like yourself being available to have conversations
being available to have conversations with me. It sends hope down the spines
with me. It sends hope down the spines of young people.
of young people. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then the second one, the goal.
>> Yeah. And then the second one, the goal. >> What's the goal for the podcast? Okay.
>> What's the goal for the podcast? Okay. If I say the goal for the podcast,
If I say the goal for the podcast, somebody might go and do it, but I'll
somebody might go and do it, but I'll try.
try. >> There's a bigger plan for this and the
>> There's a bigger plan for this and the bigger plan is really to invest in
bigger plan is really to invest in businesses.
businesses. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Um, so I've had guests who've sat here
>> Um, so I've had guests who've sat here and we've had conversations after,
and we've had conversations after, >> right? The other plan as well is to
>> right? The other plan as well is to really build I mean this year we've done
really build I mean this year we've done it. We just set up connected house. So
it. We just set up connected house. So connected house
connected house >> is the first time I'm actually seeing
>> is the first time I'm actually seeing some of these things and you ask.
some of these things and you ask. >> So connected house owns connected minds.
>> So connected house owns connected minds. >> Okay. We have another podcast coming up,
>> Okay. We have another podcast coming up, >> okay,
>> okay, >> as well. I'm not going to be the host.
>> as well. I'm not going to be the host. So, we've signed somebody else under a
So, we've signed somebody else under a new podcast. We also have a product
new podcast. We also have a product called tribe and then we have the
called tribe and then we have the connected minds live connected academy.
connected minds live connected academy. So, we have products under the brand.
So, we have products under the brand. That's really the big but
That's really the big but >> the we have events as well that we do
>> the we have events as well that we do and then it's all empowerment.
and then it's all empowerment. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Right. Um I do mentorship, I do
>> Right. Um I do mentorship, I do coaching, I
coaching, I >> Yeah. So,
>> Yeah. So, >> so basically if somebody needs guidance
>> so basically if somebody needs guidance on business on how to direct their life,
on business on how to direct their life, it is
it is >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> No, not Derek. Connected house.
>> No, not Derek. Connected house. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> I love it. Yes, it's connected house.
>> I love it. Yes, it's connected house. >> I love that. I love that. Oh, that's
>> I love that. I love that. Oh, that's nice.
nice. >> Call me if anything.
>> Call me if anything. >> So, yeah. So, that's the that's the
>> So, yeah. So, that's the that's the plan. And
plan. And >> I have some young girls who may want to
>> I have some young girls who may want to learn from you,
learn from you, >> okay?
>> okay? >> You know, so I'm going to contact you,
>> You know, so I'm going to contact you, okay? and we'll have some conversations
okay? and we'll have some conversations if you're happy
if you're happy of these young girls, you know, pick
of these young girls, you know, pick themselves up and
themselves up and >> because there's a real struggle here.
>> because there's a real struggle here. >> If we have
>> If we have 10 people every year
10 people every year >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> set up businesses simply by listening to
>> set up businesses simply by listening to you speak
you speak >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> in the next 50 years,
>> in the next 50 years, >> Ghana will be better because the
>> Ghana will be better because the government can't do the job.
government can't do the job. >> We need individual people to build
>> We need individual people to build businesses and employ people.
businesses and employ people. >> Yeah. Do you know what my plan is? My
>> Yeah. Do you know what my plan is? My topmost goal is this year, you know, yet
topmost goal is this year, you know, yet last year I was giving out sanitary
last year I was giving out sanitary parts and things to people and people
parts and things to people and people actually contributed to it. When I was
actually contributed to it. When I was starting my business, as I mentioned, I
starting my business, as I mentioned, I won 5,000 CDs from Sunlight. So like my
won 5,000 CDs from Sunlight. So like my I wanted like an opportunity where I
I wanted like an opportunity where I would have enough money to give like
would have enough money to give like five or 10 women like 20,000 CDs each to
five or 10 women like 20,000 CDs each to start a business like start something
start a business like start something because I got the opportunity and then I
because I got the opportunity and then I got to this point. So that's like one of
got to this point. So that's like one of my goals this year. So when you are
my goals this year. So when you are soliciting for fans, come follow me so
soliciting for fans, come follow me so that me solicit my own and come and add
that me solicit my own and come and add it to you.
it to you. >> Love it. Love it. So um you're right. Um
>> Love it. Love it. So um you're right. Um when we started active pharmacy in the
when we started active pharmacy in the UK, we had three people that paid into
UK, we had three people that paid into the business to support us
the business to support us >> and that helped us a lot. So
>> and that helped us a lot. So >> this year at our master class, we gave
>> this year at our master class, we gave out $2,000.
out $2,000. >> $1,000 each.
>> $1,000 each. >> That's like a good push right now to
>> That's like a good push right now to people. Some people have their idea.
people. Some people have their idea. It's just the push that they need
It's just the push that they need >> to to to
>> to to to something else you can also do right is
something else you can also do right is to just pick one business and give them
to just pick one business and give them free ad. one young person's business and
free ad. one young person's business and give a free ad and then maybe like a
give a free ad and then maybe like a month once a month
month once a month >> you pick someone and then just give them
>> you pick someone and then just give them free ad
free ad >> you know it'll really go a long way like
>> you know it'll really go a long way like people are really struggling you know
people are really struggling you know and
and >> you know boys are struggling girls are
>> you know boys are struggling girls are struggling right but
struggling right but >> how are a lot of young girls getting the
>> how are a lot of young girls getting the money you know they are seeing people
money you know they are seeing people like yourself and they don't really know
like yourself and they don't really know what you do um they don't really
what you do um they don't really understand it and they are going to men
understand it and they are going to men >> you know what I Yeah.
>> So I have people helping me. People don't tell people that okay this person
don't tell people that okay this person is helping me or that person is helping
is helping me or that person is helping me for you to people to understand that
me for you to people to understand that okay this and when I start my own too
okay this and when I start my own too okay I can seek from help from here or I
okay I can seek from help from here or I can let this person do this. People make
can let this person do this. People make it seem like I did this I built this
it seem like I did this I built this from scratch. Like it's okay to build it
from scratch. Like it's okay to build it from scratch but it's okay to when you
from scratch but it's okay to when you have a little people understand that
have a little people understand that okay this is the dynamic of ina you get
okay this is the dynamic of ina you get it now I'm going to use an example like
it now I'm going to use an example like um
um maybe you like if I didn't add the
maybe you like if I didn't add the sunlight thing or I didn't add my cousin
sunlight thing or I didn't add my cousin giving me the bike for me to be able to
giving me the bike for me to be able to keep restocking in a large amount it
keep restocking in a large amount it wouldn't make sense to anybody that okay
wouldn't make sense to anybody that okay well you were selling and putting inside
well you were selling and putting inside but it wouldn't be as fast as how my own
but it wouldn't be as fast as how my own happened
happened >> yes you get it so I feel like people
>> yes you get it so I feel like people hoarding these type of informations.
hoarding these type of informations. That's why I like your podcast.
That's why I like your podcast. >> Thank you very much. Thank you very
>> Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Um, so
much. Um, so what's the best advice you've ever
what's the best advice you've ever received?
received? Best of the best.
Best of the best. Heard, you've applied.
Heard, you've applied. Yeah.
Yeah. >> I feel like everybody knows this, but
>> I feel like everybody knows this, but it's it's not the best advice on this
it's it's not the best advice on this podcast.
podcast. >> Okay. What is it?
>> Okay. What is it? >> I believe in enjoying life in the
>> I believe in enjoying life in the moment.
moment. Yeah, no. If you have like like like
Yeah, no. If you have like like like sometimes
sometimes So, let me tell you something. I said
So, let me tell you something. I said this last time. I don't think that the
this last time. I don't think that the the the the
the the the idea of waiting till you can afford
idea of waiting till you can afford something three times before you buy it
something three times before you buy it is a wise thing.
is a wise thing. That is like what people say a lot. But
That is like what people say a lot. But let's say you want to buy a CR. It's
let's say you want to buy a CR. It's 450,000 CDs, right? So, * 3 is how much?
1 something million. So I feel like having 450,000 CDs plus let's say
having 450,000 CDs plus let's say 350,000 is okay for you like you relax
350,000 is okay for you like you relax once you have your CRV now you can even
once you have your CRV now you can even save your Uber fair and all these type
save your Uber fair and all these type of things so that you can wake and
of things so that you can wake and increase the money to the 1 million but
increase the money to the 1 million but sometimes waiting till you can afford
sometimes waiting till you can afford three or something else relax tomorrow I
three or something else relax tomorrow I don't know you can even die tomorrow
don't know you can even die tomorrow but not going to infiltrate your people
but not going to infiltrate your people >> but you Oh, that's that's a very
>> but you Oh, that's that's a very interesting thing. It's something I say
interesting thing. It's something I say actually as well.
actually as well. >> And I can give you an example with the
>> And I can give you an example with the range.
range. >> Okay. You mean
>> Okay. You mean >> at the time when I bought the range 2019
>> at the time when I bought the range 2019 >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> I actually went to buy it myself and
>> I actually went to buy it myself and brought it into the car.
brought it into the car. >> Oh, so you went abroad and Okay. Okay.
>> Oh, so you went abroad and Okay. Okay. >> I tell you what, around the same time I
>> I tell you what, around the same time I had I knew two acquaintances who own the
had I knew two acquaintances who own the same car.
same car. >> Within a year, they could not maintain
>> Within a year, they could not maintain it. It's gone.
it. It's gone. >> It's gone.
>> It's gone. Sometimes I have to, you know, change a
Sometimes I have to, you know, change a turbo £30,000 cuz I have to bring it in
turbo £30,000 cuz I have to bring it in and I do it myself. If you don't have
and I do it myself. If you don't have the money, how do you maintain a car?
the money, how do you maintain a car? This is why I'm saying that this is why
This is why I'm saying that this is why >> you so you you waited till you can could
>> you so you you waited till you can could afford it times three.
afford it times three. >> Oh, maybe I can even afford it more than
>> Oh, maybe I can even afford it more than three. But I mean, my point is that they
three. But I mean, my point is that they that's why the advice of afford times
that's why the advice of afford times three
three >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> can make sense sometimes.
>> can make sense sometimes. >> Yeah. So some
>> Yeah. So some >> because I really want a G Wagon,
>> because I really want a G Wagon, >> right? But I'm not buying it yet
>> right? But I'm not buying it yet >> because you want to afford it times
>> because you want to afford it times five.
five. >> Maybe time 20 even.
>> Maybe time 20 even. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> Right. Because
>> anyway, I think this last part of the conversation is probably your best part.
conversation is probably your best part. Something you've never seen on the
Something you've never seen on the podcast before,
podcast before, >> but it's Amand, you know, she brought it
>> but it's Amand, you know, she brought it out.
out. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Can you recommend a book for us?
>> Can you recommend a book for us? >> A book.
>> A book. So, I'm going to say this book because I
So, I'm going to say this book because I did it literature. Faithless by Amadu.
did it literature. Faithless by Amadu. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> It opens you to the struggles of people.
>> It opens you to the struggles of people. As I said, I was very I was from a very
As I said, I was very I was from a very protected home. It was there I saw there
protected home. It was there I saw there was abulshi. There was people in Ara
was abulshi. There was people in Ara that go through teenage pregnancy
that go through teenage pregnancy because they are raped and all of that.
because they are raped and all of that. So it opens your eyes to the struggles
So it opens your eyes to the struggles of people in Ara cuz people think that
of people in Ara cuz people think that Ara is Ara, but there are some parts of
Ara is Ara, but there are some parts of Ara that it's not. It's a struggle. So
Ara that it's not. It's a struggle. So that and then that's part of the reasons
that and then that's part of the reasons why like when I got the sanitary passing
why like when I got the sanitary passing I went to Jamestown to go and give it
I went to Jamestown to go and give it out and everything like I picked that
out and everything like I picked that particular place is is because of that
particular place is is because of that book I read. So you're opening your eye
book I read. So you're opening your eye to the struggles of people can also help
to the struggles of people can also help you to help people when you are in like
you to help people when you are in like a good position. So I like Faceless by
a good position. So I like Faceless by Amad but you want it to be money book.
Amad but you want it to be money book. >> Oh no it doesn't have to be okay. I mean
>> Oh no it doesn't have to be okay. I mean >> if it doesn't have to be money then
>> if it doesn't have to be money then we're good.
we're good. >> Awesome. Thank you so much. God bless
>> Awesome. Thank you so much. God bless you. you. God bless you.
you. you. God bless you. >> You know, for doing this for us. We
>> You know, for doing this for us. We appreciate it.
appreciate it. >> And to my viewers and to my listeners,
>> And to my viewers and to my listeners, thank you so much for staying with us.
thank you so much for staying with us. I'm sure you've seen different aspects
I'm sure you've seen different aspects of Derek because Amabellan came to the
of Derek because Amabellan came to the studio and she's brought a difference.
studio and she's brought a difference. She actually interviewed me in the end.
She actually interviewed me in the end. But anyway, if you made it to the end,
But anyway, if you made it to the end, I'd love to know in the comments. Thank
I'd love to know in the comments. Thank you so much. My name is Derek and I've
you so much. My name is Derek and I've just finished an episode. I'm out.
just finished an episode. I'm out. You are a very
You are a very >> You are a very lively girl.
>> You are a very lively girl. >> Oh, I love that.
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