This episode of "Artist Friendly" features a conversation between host Joel Madden and Noah Sebastian of Bad Omens, delving into the band's creative process, their rise to prominence, and broader reflections on the music industry, artistry, mental health, and personal growth.
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hey what's up everybody it's Joel Madden
and this is artist friendly and on
today's episode I'm talking to Noah
Sebastian from badens one of my favorite
bands I'm really excited to talk to him
really excited to hear about his process
and making records and bat Omens where
they're at and where they're going I
hope you guys enjoyed this episode let's
get into
it what's up Noah how you doing D good
man thanks for coming dude thanks for
having me how's it going it's really
good I I love this rig I love this setup
the dope backdrop thanks man we we're
we're uh it's cool I like it feeling a
little bit like it's kind of like home a
little bit it feels like my office at
home feels a little bit like this but
how long you been doing this um it's
kind of new right it's kind of new all
the in the beginning of the year like
January M so we've been doing it for
half a year more nice yeah nice it's
good that's awesome um
I'm really excited to talk to you uh you
know bat Omens is one of my favorite
bands just I think you guys are one of
the best modern bands thank you out
there um that's actually doing you know
I think that you guys hold a place in
heavy music and in rock music in general
not just heavy music but rock and rock
as a total kind of category of music but
I think that you guys where you may get
grouped in with heavy music I think you
you guys are just an incredible rock
band well yeah like rock is like
evolving you know it's like it's really
evolving right now with I feel like it's
getting more mainstream again like the
way it was in like the early 2000s and
what might have used to been considered
heavy now is more accepted it's like a
mainstream that more people can can can
tolerate heavier music than they used to
cuz I think when you think about heavy
music back in the day so certainly when
I was in the in the 90s coming up when I
first was forming my like relationship
with rock music heavier music was really
kind of pushed into one category right
and now it feels like there's less
genres and more just like you guys are a
rock band you make heavy music but it's
not all heavy there's a lot of Melody in
your music there's a lot of songwriting
yeah I know you're very experienced
songwriter the songs are good yeah
that's important good songs structurally
they're like good songs yeah it's really
it's really hard to find that that
balance of like trying to make something
that feels like it was WR by like a
professional songwriter without it
feeling like commercial or like copy and
pasted or just manufactured you know
while like still having that emotion or
realness and like also like
experimentation as well um so yeah
that's like that's kind of where I draw
influence from just a lot of like
abstract artists that are kind of under
the radar alternative artists you know
versus like something you would hear on
the radio or at the grocery store you
know but yeah no I I I think that's my
favorite part about making rock music is
like being a part of whatever its
history is like in the future like today
is going to be the the history of rock
at some point yeah you're authoring a
legacy yeah and I I I don't think I
realized that until recently and I take
a lot of pride in that you know like
especially with like the success of this
album and just seeing like how quickly
it's been happening since the death of
Peace of Mind came out but so I hear the
word quickly and to me I'm careful with
that word yeah because it feels like it
minimizes what I think is you know this
is your third
album and it's a lifetime of work so
it's a lifetime of living and a lifetime
of writing these songs and trying mhm
now the quickness of it is maybe how
quickly it tips right but the the roots
of what you guys have done in my opinion
um as a fan and as someone who's gotten
to be close to it um and see you guys do
it this so there's a lot of things I
think to to to point
out and that's what I do I like to
analyze things yeah me too I like to
figure out how people did what they do
that's like my greatest weakness and my
greatest strength over analyzing me too
my my family gets really tired of um but
it's important because anyone out there
that's listening to this right now
likely is building something of their
own whether it's a band or they're a
songwriter or a producer or they're just
building a business or they're just
trying to build a life yeah um these are
metaphors for everything we do how we do
one thing we do all things right like so
when I look at you guys as a as a
band Live incredible music is good now
if I look at you guys as an organization
people that are working together to
achieve a common goal um in an organized
way that's what you have to do to
succeed in my opinion so a lot of bands
like if they say they're not doing that
they are doing it they just don't want
to accept they doing it and if they
didn't care about success they wouldn't
do it so if we want to grow we want to
have some success yeah of course um our
versions of that success will be
different but so you left home at a
young age how old were
you 17 16 feel like 15 15 okay really
young probably yeah was crazy I have a
15-year-old when I think about yeah that
that's crazy yeah I was I was on my own
at 15 I I bounced back every now and
then when it was like convenient or I
was like I needed it or my friends
parents like were're like okay you've
been here a while cuz I left home a few
years later than that but but at a young
age you know uh and and and again in a
time when there was no iPhones it wasn't
it wasn't easy to move through the world
it was just like literally like
hitchhiking and finding rides and doing
it feels like just as dangerous you know
just as risky as it is convenient like a
teenager now with the iPhone probably
have easier time being independent but
also EAS risk getting kidnapped or
something getting catfished or getting
trick you I thought the other day about
this it was interesting I remember when
I was in school and stuff and like I
feel like I came up around the time the
internet was starting to get normalized
like Myspace and social media a definite
time and I feel like a lot of people
were talking about Internet safety back
then and like security and internet
privacy and stuff like in school and
you're like parents and everyone like
people were afraid to put their credit
cards on the internet yeah and now it's
like I don't know if that I mean I don't
have any I'm not in high school now but
like I wonder if that's still a thing
like you you have a kid you have kids so
it is a thing are they still even like
thinking about that they are but this is
how kids are too smart now yeah so they
know already the danger yeah they're
already aware of it like some there are
the cases where people say this kid got
there's no doubt that there are
predators out there and they are trying
to talk to your kids no doubt right what
I'm saying is is that the kids have
grown up with this they understand this
they know smarter than the adult they're
most of the time like and you always say
it as a parent and they're always like
it's it's the idea that like your parent
is going to tell you something and you
as a teenager are going to listen and go
boy they really are wise they really
know not going to happen they really my
mom and dad are so wise they always give
me the best advice I take it to heart
they their teenagers are completely
blocked mhm their their sensibility
sometime is completely blocked by like
the the hormones and whatever else
they're going through and I think
they're experiencing the world and the
thing that I think not to get into
parenting I think the best thing we can
do is create a stable
environment yeah safe environment of
support and give them as much
information as we can talk to them and
they don't want to hear it but you talk
to them you go listen I know you don't
want to hear it but just need you I need
to understand that you understand the
the risk and the dangers of like social
media the internet the things that
you're doing right the the because
you're not going to stop them
this is no no way shape and form once
you get 15 I would even say now or
earlier probably 13 14 you can hold out
and you should try I think parenting
wise you you should try to hold out as
long as you can and maybe some people
will have the anomaly of the kid who's
like I don't do social media that that
sounds like a great
kid from my experience all the kids
that's a double-edged sword too right
cuz I'm sure you don't want to be an
outlier you don't want to be the weirdo
in your in your school that doesn't have
Instagram yeah think so too but I would
love it if if that was like i' be like
great oh you're the you're but I think
you communicate and you talk as much as
possible and even if they don't want to
answer you ask and and you you go how's
it going you know how's how's things and
and you ask about certain things and and
it can be a you got to break that
uncomfortable Ice by not judging their
answers and not like just kind of
hearing them out anyways so
kids but to bad OMS yeah sure you leave home
home
early and so I did too that kind of says
home life wasn't completely
stable no I I think it was my grandpa
passing away when I was I believe I was
14ish because then you know I big moment
even like obviously as a teenager I
didn't know anything about life but and
I don't now and I feel like 10 years uh
I'll feel the same way and I think
that's great but um I had enough
self-awareness to know I didn't want to
like be a rambunctious hormonal you know
teenager and put that on my grandma to
deal with by herself cuz I mean they're
old people you know yeah and I didn't
like being at home either with my mom so
I was just always out with my and all my
friends were older you know even like
when I was in playing in bands in and
out like playing guitar and bands
growing up like everyone was older and
in their early 20s or late
and I was just like the teenager in the
band playing
guitar um but yeah I mean it's I I was
just talking to my therapist about this
but I feel like that like lack of
stability as a kid pushed me to design
it for myself now as an adult and like
now I love my house like it's not you
know a crazy house by any means but I
live with my closest friends and I like
just got a dope couch and it's just like
my comfortable like I make it a
comfortable place I'm excited to be
especially going on tour but you design
it yeah you control you yeah like I I
wanted to make the life I wanted to live
the lifestyle I wanted to live and like
the comfort that I maybe yearned for as
a kid that I that like security you know
that I never probably experienced at
least subconsciously and uh it's
interesting yeah so now when I'm I'm so
like appreciative of my house right
especially again going on tour even if
you didn't have my childhood I feel like
if you tore a lot you travel half the
year more than half the year you get
home and you're so stoked to be home
it's such a nice feeling to be in one
place so when I get home like on top of
that having like a a great place to be
that's comfortable with people I like
living with um I just kind of bask in it
like I get up in the morning and I sit
outside in the sun and I'm just like
this is awesome you know and it's so
simple I I feel the same way I feel I
spent so many years touring and now
there's never a day where I don't wake
up in my house and feel like I don't
know it's hard to explain that feeling
um I also think growing up with a lot of
insecurity um whether it was Financial
or whatever it was um does make you
appreciate like a stability in your home
you know like and knowing you you don't
ever have to move yeah you know um but
there's never a day I don't wake up in
my house and just go
like yeah this is great I love being
here yeah it has it's has nothing to do
with the finishes right materialistic
stuff no it's not I mean it's a nice
house my wife has got a
real good taste you know and she makes
those decisions and I love it because I
don't have to because I I am not good at
picking things most of the time I can
pick some things but um she has a real
way of bringing it all together um but I
I wake up and I'm just like really happy
I just feel like I'm on vacation every
day when I wake up um but I wonder if
and maybe you've talked about this and
analyze this in therapy or something do
you think that
the back and forth right going between
two houses
mhm um maybe feeling like you don't
completely fit in completely with either
place right there's probably things you
appreciate about both and things you
like so that's how I feel about um do
you think that's why you're a bit of a
control freak over oh yeah the sound and
the and the and the the you know like
the details absolutely which I think
people who are really detail oriented
and really that perform at a high level
doing anything have to be enough of a
control freak that they want to be good
at it yeah I yeah I I was actually
talking about therapist about this too I
don't I I hate the idea that you have to
like suffer to get good at something or
to get disciplined at something or to be
or to be good at something out of fear
and I don't agree with it either like I
agree I know what you're saying and I
and I think that's what we're always
told that if you're to get good it's got
to it's really hard you have to have to
persevere be yourself senseless to get
good like what if you're inclined to be
good and you get good fast yeah I'm I'm
sure that exists for some people for
some fortunate people you know yeah but
uh yeah I don't know it's it's I guess
that's the the positive way to look at
it when you're reflecting on like the
harder parts of your life or tragedy or
whatever it is that's like kind of
thickened your skin or forced you to
adapt in some way or another or survive
is looking at where where I've gotten
and where I hope to be cuz I'm that's
like the biggest thing I'm trying to
work on is like my
constant fear and anxiety of like the
temporary temporariness of it temporar I
don't know what the Yeah that the um or
that it's fleeting yeah exactly the the
the fle in this of it like music and
entertainment in general I feel like is
so ficky and like people go through
phases and seasons and people so quickly
lose interest and then there's
like I get I I totally I hate that I'm
concerned about that because I do I make
music for me I love that's why like that
the piece of Mind was so weird and like
I love it the new stuff that I'm working
on I mean death the piece of mind I've
every track back to back I'm trying to
see how many times of I've listened to that
that
record hundreds of times yeah hundreds
of times if not more like I've listened
to that there are days where I've
listened to that record four times all
the way through crazy um it's one of the
best rock records I've heard in the last
10 years that's so flattering it's it's
just true dude I I'm bad at taking
compliments but I appreciate I mean
honestly though it's it's a compliment
but it's not even a compliment it's not
there's just not these days it's as a as
a person who's been around long enough
and you know I'm not saying oh they
don't make them like they used to right
but they don't there's sometimes you
hear a record and there there's a lot of
throwaway on it there's a lot of filler
with like let's just bang some singles
CU we live in a singles world and this
is one of the first records I've heard
in a long time where um all my favorite
rock bands make records they make albums
and I still want to listen to an album I
want to put it record on and whether I'm
running or driving or doing whatever and
so it's a body of work that feels like
someone cared about every part of it
yeah and um and I can and hearing you
talk about your your your Tendencies
makes helps me understand actually like
oh now I know why the whole record's
good the the details were toiled over so
dude yeah it's it drives me nuts
sometimes like it's I think uh someone
it's like a quote like Einstein or
something like the definition of
insanity is doing the same thing over
and over and expecting different results
that's how I work in the studio right
like we have this song that we just
finished for the most part finished like
the demo is finished new song yeah
awesome working on two albums right now
two albums yeah the right yeah yeah do
you produce yeah the whole thing mhm me
and jolly and you guys write everything
yeah that's the other part that's
[ __ ] crazy to me is I wrote with you
so I know you're a good writers cuz I
wrote with you and we we did that song
Last December together yeah and it's one
of my favorite songs we've ever done um
I feel like it's like a gy that fans get
to discover and it's just really special
and I and and it actually uh we got to
be in the studio together and and and
work on something in in fashion that I
think uh was meaningful to us at a time
when we needed it um for for very
personal reason reasons but like you
guys were very instrumental in helping
us bring something to life that we
needed at a time when I don't know that
we had the energy creatively uh cuz it
was a weird time
uh to create something on our own and
you guys like were you guys are just
great writers just brilliant like I was
really impressed uh but I knew you were
good but like when I got in with you I
was like oh damn they they are really
good they're like me and bench talked
about it at length about like why we
thought your band was so good and yes
you guys are great
live but like you guys produce write
perform record all the music and then
have to an anr your record you you have
to like sit there and decide yeah when
is this done what's going where that's
just I'm just saying most people have to
bring a teen together cuz it's too much
and they'll never but what I notice with
all my favorite artists a large part of
them are similar to you guys like they
paint the whole
thing and that's like a vision the whole
thing it's kind of crazy dude not a lot
of people do that yeah not a lot of good
people well it's fun too like it's
exhausting it's a lot of work like
wearing six hats at all times but it's
fun like cuz I I look at bat Omens as
like it's like its own little world in
my head you know whether it's the music
videos or the the album art or the merch
or the music the most important thing
like I try to make it all connect in
some way that at least makes sense to me
so that when I'm talking about it I it's
like authentic passion and it's genuine
and like people I think people can
detect that like people no matter how
filtered things get through the internet
or like through word of mouth or just
biased I think people can always like
recognize genuine authenticity and I
think that's and it's huge but it's also
really good like from a quality
standpoint yeah like you could ju you
guys if you wanted to just produce
records for bands you would make great
records it's funny cuz I wanted to do
that for a long time and like we just
didn't have I guess the clout or what
whatever it was and now like people are
hitting me up Non-Stop and I don't have
the time you don't have the time to
worry about you know like well we're not
touring we're working on bat Omen stuff
yeah I mean that that and that's what
you should be doing because it's a
really import it to me it's a really
important band and um you know I think
that it's great you guys are getting
some some recognition now um and
certainly the music is succeeding on its
own because it's good so I I I say like
go see him live just go see him live
that's what I always say if you want to
like understand the bad Omens yeah uh uh
hype whatever you want to call it go see
him live you'll understand it
immediately when you go see them live
you'll understand exactly why we love
this band um and I think people do when
they see you live and I think that's why
the shows are just exploding because
it's like you couldn't play enough shows
right now right because to meet the
demand there's not a ton of great live
bands out there uh it because I think
it's again like we came out of a time
where not a ton of bands had the
opportunity there was certainly always
there's always been bands working and
and and and but like not thriving like
it used to be maybe um it's but it feels
like it it does feel like it's coming
back around but I feel like you guys are
part of that I feel like there's pillars
in music that lead the way for other
bands to thrive that's why I like it
when bands work together because and
bands stick together uh because if you
guys succeed it means that more people
can succeed behind you yeah I I think
I'm starting to agree with that it's
hard to like
be modest but also be like yeah I I
recognize that but it's it's becoming
kind of like undeniable the more people
I talk to and the more people I talk to
that I look up to or admire like you you
know that are also saying that I'm like
okay maybe there's some truth to this
you know like maybe they're not just
blowing smoke up my ass but it's it's a
hard thing to accept that like you're
like part of that you know part of like
whatever the new wave is of of
influential music or whatever I always
like I totally get it not wanting to own
your part in the what I think is like
the important success of of say like
rock music right you don't want to own
your part it because I get it it could
come across like it's not modest but
that's but you guys are modest you guys
are like you guys are try you know you
you you wrestle with success just like
everyone else who actually has values I
think we all Wrestle with people
admiring us or people people following
us or people maybe
um treating us different than they did
whatever however you want to call the
fame thing because that's all it is is
like you know ATT tension around a thing
because you you're doing art but then
what happens when comes with it when the
art is connects with lots of people and
a lot of people can resonate with it
Fame so Fame is just a funny thing man
it's a double-edged sword like there's
some good aspects of it you get
to something becomes more more well
known and more people come see it
therefore you can play more shows you
can make more records you can do all the
things you love it definitely enables
and and it's just like a a big ball of
confusion sometimes but at the end in in
the middle of that I think is this quiet
space where you're doing what you love
and you're making what I think are
really important records and doing
really important
shows yeah
right I think I think people are
inherent problem solvers yeah right like people
people
if there isn't a problem to solve or
like a puzzle to solve they'll create
one just for the reward of solving it
and I think that's where like being
creative or art is so important because
there's people that don't have that as
an outlet that will maybe create
problems in other ways like you know
little micro dramas or something or my
my ex-boyfriend or you know like just
anything but then you have the creative
Outlet to to like channel that you know
like primitive desire to like put the
circle in the circle and the triangle in
the Triangle you know and it's like I
think it's crucial to your mental health
just like exercising maybe you know it's
like the same thing just with your mind
or meditating yeah you know so like you
meditate I do me too yeah it's it's a
trying to get better doing it
consistently which like the past few
weeks I have been doing it every day
which is nice and that's helped but like
I they say not to
judge it's a priority to like if I just
feel anxious or I wake up just on the
wrong side of the bed or I'm stressed
about all the stuff I have to do that
I'll just lay back down I have this app
com app yeah yeah it's great I have it
too that and breathe we're not endorsed
by them uh no no no we're not we have
this this uh we have no sponsors here at
all like this is it's just the first one
I found that yeah and I I put it on and
do like the daily J or one of those like
you know meditative seven minute things
with the breathing and it's great it's
just like it reenters you you know it's
and I think people that are like you
know uh apprehensive about like
meditation or spirituality weird why I
think they take it more literal than it
is like it could be some kind of voodoo
yeah or like they think people take it
more literal than they do you know like
they it's not that deep it's just it's
no different than like if you're having
a panic attack or hyperventilating
you're supposed to breathe in through
your nose out through your mouth into a
bag like it's no different than that
it's the same like I think physical
response of just calming yourself down
and working on your breathing and you
know and there's straight up like data
to prove that it helps yeah that's the
thing too I think I think data is real
like information's real like there is a
real thing there is real real
information to back things up people are
selective with that though yeah people
are people are people are selective with
science yeah it is it's interesting cuz
but I'm sure a lot of people out there
listening and probably a lot of people
that listen to your music like myself
have dealt with anxiety issues right
like we it's not uncommon that's the
other thing I tell people all the time
I'm like you it's okay to share that you
have anxiety and that you're learning
how to manage it and learning how to
deal with it because there's dealing
with it and then there's going into
trying to heal some of it and some of it
I think you can heal I think it's
probably from trauma and different you
know the past experiences you had um but
like some of it is some people are prone
they just have a more ner a more careful
uh their personality type is prone to
anxiety so some of it you do have to
just learn how to manage and meditation
is one
way well touring is such a high paced
environment so like that adds a whole
other layer of you know stress like
trying to adapt to something that even
without someone without anxiety a
perfectly healthy mentally healthy
person has trouble adapting with like
being in a different city every night or
sleeping in a difficult position or jet
lag like you add anxiety onto that not a
regular diet no kind of stability yeah
cuz routine I think is is
important you know and it breaks that
and especially if you're like fighting
off the demons the
anxiety you know going on tour makes
that even harder and there's been times
where I've like I've been like I
probably should not be touring right now
you know but I just like you work
through it yeah I just push through it
and maybe that's not the right call
sometimes like it's I I feel like I have
a good judgment of like okay this is
enough to manage or like I actually
should go
home um but it's a little bit of
sacrifice yeah sometimes you sacrifice
your well-being yeah because you don't
want to get lost in the idea of like
every time I feel bad I have to like
take a day off because you're just
you're going to just feed it it could be
a cycle that's really hard to stop yeah
I think that like you're you're right I think
think
um another thing people don't understand
I think when you're out there doing five
six shows in a row right um in a
different city every night like I think
everyone looks at it and goes wow that
must be nice you're on stage and there's
all these people or like it's like a
party or whatever but it's actually a a
physical job it's super physical like I
got I have straight up injuries from
touring all the years of touring like
your body gets beat up and like I'm now
getting for the first time in my life
getting things fixed that like I've
never ever had looked at that were like
injuries from tour they're just like you
know three there was a bunch of years
where we did 300 shows a year for many
years and nuts it was just nuts it was
nuts it it was a physical grind and like
we all have things like ticks and and
physical injuries and different things
from those hardcore years I'm trying to
get better at not getting used to them I
think that's something people do that
especially people that like work hard or
like are take things serious or are
disciplined like you just accept things
as they are whether it's like anxiety or
like an ache in your back or something
from sleeping weird or some kind of ink
a rock in your shoe so to speak
like you just get used to it and you
accept it instead of thinking like maybe
I should maybe a do like for example I
wake up congested every day like dry and
like just so stuffed up and it's the
worst I I hate waking up because I just
am like messed up yeah congested and
sinus wise and it takes like my body
like an hour to
reset started taking like I went to my
doctor and just asked them about it and
they like gave me this like daily
allergy medicine that just like you're
supposed to take every day that helps
build your system or whatever to help
prevent that in the morning and work it
started helping a little bit great and I
just I lived like that for like my my
whole life like 10 years you know I
think I did too and like this is just
how I am and you're the first person
that I've actually said that said that
where I was like oh yeah you that's
things that are like just on the edge of
being serious enough like they're more
inconvenient or uncomfortable and you
just get used to being uncomfortable you
know so I'm trying to get better
identifying things that are
uncomfortable to me that I just get used
to that maybe could be fixed or at least
get a get a hey that can't be fixed you
got to deal with it you know even that
and I'm just trying to like identify
those things more cuz I'm like wow I
lived uncomfortably for so long dude
that's crazy you
know I always wait until I have to I
didn't think about it like I had a uh uh
I do too until recently I hate sharing I
hate getting too personal but I ask
pretty personal questions so um but I I
had to get um I have a hernia that I got
on tour
that I never fixed that's serious that I
just like got it from touring jumping
off a riser enough times yeah and I
jumped off one that was too high I
remember when I'm injured it was 12 13
14 years ago it was a long time ago um
and and then I felt injured I got
injured and then I went and and I and
that a doctor was like oh it's it's
aunia but like you don't you know it it
should be okay in a few days and then
you know you need to get this fixed but
typically people get them fixed in you
know 10 years to five year 5 to 10 years
and sometimes whatever and I was like
okay and then every now and then I would
be on stage and I would do something
that would activate it aggravate it and
I would be like oh probably messed up
the rest of your show too my God like
and then yeah and then I'd limp through
the show yeah and then um and now I have
to get it like fixed and I was like why
did I wait so
long to
fix me for since I had it it's nagging
like I I could only play uh like a sport
if I go to like play basketball with my
kid or or go play tennis with with my
wife or whatever you name a a physical
activity I could only do it to a certain
point so like for an hour and then it
would act up and would be like okay I
got to tap out um going on a hike I
could only do like three month miles
versus five miles cuz it would act up
and it would limit
me and I just dealt it I was accepted it
I didn't even think about fixing it yeah
like you even register that was a
possibility there it is I got to stop
now instead of like I am I guess then of
my doctor was like you know we can get
surgery on that yeah and I was like oh
yeah I didn't think about that I think a
lot of people deal with that a lot of
people just accept like discomfort or
inconvenience you know yeah it's it's
huge selfcare selfcare is important yeah
you know you think about it and you you
know everyone has their own version of
taking care of themsel but like
self-care is like a real thing and I
think people think of it as like taking
a day off but like it's a little more
detailed than that it is actually taking
care of things yeah I mean that's it
goes back to that thing we were saying
about balance like you can't overdo it
you can't just decide oh I'm really
anxious today I'm going to sit in bed
all day every day you know like
eventually you have to fight some days
you have to let it win and just eat ice
cream cream and sit on the couch and
binge Breaking Bad or something right
and then there's days you have to be
like I have to fight this I have to go
to the gym and like you know I have to
try a different way to stay this off do
you do
um you do like Jiu-Jitsu and Muay Thai
and things like that yeah I I actually
haven't done Jiu-Jitsu in months I just
haven't had time but I I have a trainer
I do Muay Thai with and like body weight
stuff and and weightlifting and just the
personal trainer that I see three or
four times a week is that a key for you
it's like the one thing I
am committed to making time for for me
outside of making music which again
that's that's a win-win you know because
for me fun is like sitting in the studio
with my friends making music and that's
as as you obviously know like a huge
return if if you're up till 3:00 in the
morning writing a song that's going to
you know pay your bills for years and it
feels really good a very small price to
when you're done it feels really good it
does it's like a feeling that's hard to
explain yeah but the only thing outside
of that I really prioritize doing for
myself is just going to see my trainer
or going to the gym or going on a run or
going to Muay Thai class or Jiu-Jitsu
class like that's something that I found
is like so important and and also
changed the game for me as a singer
right you know because I feel like
something clicked in
2021 with our band at least with me as
my performance where I just got way more
into cardio and taking care of my voice
and rehearsing harder and longer before
tours and it improved my voice immensely
and and
I it's like giving credit to my band
while taking credit away from them but I
feel like that was a huge part of what
improved our live show was me becoming a
better singer because they were already
all great at their instruments in my
opinion maybe they're they probably
self-critique and would say otherwise
but I think they were always really
solid and I was the the weak the weight
you know um and then 2021 I really
started feeling coming into my own skin
as a singer and feeling more confident
and more talented as a singer and just
like on tours and being like I'm one of
the I'm one of the best singers you know
like on this tour or something you know
and like just feeling good about myself
as a singer which I never did I was
always being myself up or insecure about
my performance on tour um but there was
other aspects of that like we were in a
van I would drive overnight I I didn't
sleep or I slept uncomfortably my neck
was messed up or you know I wasn't
taking care of my voice or you know
there's it's just again it's it's an
experienceing like we talked about at
the start of this like there are things
you learn and either let get the best of
you or you beat as you move through your
career performing whether if you again
if you blow up overnight you might have
a really tough first tour if you've
never gone on tour before as a singer
you know like be really difficult for
you it' be hard for you to handle the
little problems that always come up
there's always going to be little kinks
little things that happen even just like
knowing your body and knowing like what
maybe Foods or drinks tire out your
voice or something like just simple
stuff like that that you have to do for
years to identify and make sure not to
do in your job and then to be able to
execute a show with all the little
things that go wrong all the time like
something things always go wrong always
something always drops out something
always cuts out um be experience helps
you navigate those where the audience
can't tell that you're having lots of
problems up there on the night you are
and yeah um that's part of experience
that's what an experienced person does
they move through things um and they
don't get caught up on like why is this
happening instead of like hey let's
solve it really quickly and let's get
this on over with let's get this show on
the road um but it's interesting cuz I
would have said that I always thought
you were an incredible
singer so I personally think that you're
extremely hard on yourself and that
you're a perfectionist who works hard to
be the best which I think is really good
I think wherever that comes from is
driven you to I think it's a part of
your character that drives you towards
progress and success and to to achieve
things together as a group I think you
guys in general as a group um have a a
mind towards building things and making
things the way you see them and I think
part of the architecture of that is
someone who's detail oriented who's very
hard on things very hard on the details
and so I think it's a good thing even
though I would say my experience of you
as a singer has always been like whoa
he's one of the best [ __ ] guys you
know what I mean so so I think that
there is growth and there is I think
that some I I would say a lot of that
stuff that you do that makes you feel
like you're um taking care of your voice
and you're navigating things do it does
matter yeah and I'm not sure if it's uh
Placebo or if it's real I think that's a
big part of it too right I think a lot
of it's psychological I do I think it's
because that that's what gets us in
place to do what we do but my experience
as now as as a as a fan watching you for
through the the certainly the last
record and and this record um my
experience of you as a singer has not
changed as far as like oh he's gotten
better it's always been you've always
been one of the best guys in the room in
that regard maybe not in your head maybe
that's experience maybe and maybe and
and yes if you want to attribute it to
how you take care of your voice and the
things you do fine with me yeah because
I just want you to keep singing but I'm
just saying from my experience of you
seeing you hearing your your music and
the conversations I've had with Ben
about your music from the from the very
beginning when we met has always been
he's one of the best singers in rock
music today you guys are easily in my
top 10 artists crazy and it's crazy
because you're only three records in
yeah but and I say only and it's like
that's I don't even know if only is the
right word three records is a lot of
work but you're just getting started
like I cannot wait for the next record I
can't wait for the next either and you
guys are making two records yeah so uh I
don't know if maybe this is when we'll
Premier it or talk about or or you can
cut it we can cut this cuz cuz uh I
think it's going to come out sooner when
are you guys going to be talking about
this stuff not a long time we're working
on concrete forever which is essentially
the deluxe right okay that's one thing
yeah and then in the middle of working
on that when we're bored of that we're
working on music that we're considering
album for music okay great um so kind of
yeah in a way working on two records in
one and then like some strip down
remixes stuff like that sick you know
and it's just cooler than calling it
Deluxe so we're calling it concrete
forever like like the tour um and then
yeah we're working on new music too
that's exciting yeah it's crazy I think
you could air it I think you should air
it okay great well we'll announce it
here that's great so yeah I mean
everyone knows we're working on a deluxe
and and I think everyone knows we're
always writing new music when we can so
it's like is that really a secret you
know no it's not a secret when do that
Deluxe getting announced I think as soon
as we have like most of it ready okay I
think we have like three remixes that
we're happy with we got three Originals
that we want to again have the features
of the collaborations on and then from
there I want to do like some strip down
versions and just try to get as much
done as we can by the end of the year
but yeah it's important to me not to
rush anything you know no need to it's
not it's going to be transparent if it's
rushed yeah so that's always a priority
even if it takes me a year or three
years I'm going to make the best album
first how do you feel about bad Omens
from where you started to now do you
feel like the band is in the best place
it's ever been absolutely I mean not not
just musically or like with you know
having more fans or anything like that
or you know getting bigger tours but
just as people and like as cre creatives
and everyone at their job like we have
the everyone in our crew is amazing in
what they do that's super important cuz
I feel like it's hard to find crew
people that you not only get along with
and like as people but take their job
serious and and have knowledge and stuff
it's true um and then as people in our
band like we're just I feel like really
well adjusted and put together you know
like and just we take tour so serious we
take it like it's our job um and
everything just it's almost scary like
how well it is how smooth it's going but
but it is it is it is a job CU I'm like
I'm inclined like just from like my my
youth and stuff to be like where is the
danger you know like what you know what
I mean like that's how we all are I
think but but I think that we when you
start to actually
normalize this is a job yeah like this
isn't a party this isn't a lck a lottery
that we hit now let's get on to your
office job hammered no and you wouldn't
and you wouldn't mistreat people right
and you wouldn't um um this is what I
think successful people are
consistent I want to be I look at other
people that I think are successful and
and how we measure success is is
different all of us right some people
would say money some people would say
happiness some people would say maybe a
little bit of everything balance to me
it's a balance a balance of having
enough of everything to feel contentment
every day to feel like you don't need
anything um but you but you I think
you're inspired to work for more or to
achieve more in certain ways so like
with a career that you love I think
people who love what they do are
inspired to do more but in order to do
more we have to be reliable because we
have to work with people cuz we all win
in teams no one wins
alone so you as an artist have to make a
record and then you have to work with a
team of people to help you put that
record out go out on tour and then
you're working with your fans to enjoy
it like your your fans are paying their
hard earned money to come to your show
and they're expecting a good show yeah
and if you were like who [ __ ] cares
I'm just going to I'm going to get [ __ ]
around get hammered not put on a great
exactly don't like that it only lasts so
long yeah right and it kind of and it's
very unsustainable as well healthwise
it's a balance thing you know I I really
think it all comes back to balance and
like I'm not even like trying to promote
some like meditative spiritual agenda
just think about how many singers like
without name dropping obviously you know
that are talented amazing sing singers
or or drummers or whatever but they
didn't have they didn't put in the work
or the time to understand their business
or understand how their money was being
handled right or or to you know try to
curb an addiction they were having or
something and How It ultimately led to
their downfall yeah what like what you
can't just be good at one thing exactly
and like also like what you work on
every day is what you'll get you'll get
it out you'll get out what you put in as
everyone says you get back you know what
you put in what becomes your job becomes
your job if your job becomes being
addicted to drugs that'll be your job
there's all kinds of addiction there's
there's sex addiction drugs there's
gambling there's addiction to all kinds
of things that being said as well like
if if your job is the only thing you do
you won't have balance in your life uh
to build you know if you want to build a
family or you want to you do have to
find balance based on like what's
important to you and then do not even
like addiction like again back to the
anxiety thing or the depression thing
like that's another battle you need to
face if you're trying to take your job
serious you know like you can't I I I
talk about that a lot like people ask
like what were you going through writing
this song or like how how like how do
you be creative when you're depressed
and I always tell them like the truth
which I I haven't seen it I'm I'm sure
it exists out there but I don't believe
in like the tortured artist like hung
over like over the piano you know like
like neither do I going through the
hardest time of their life and then
writes a hit like that could never be me
if I'm sure that exists and that's I
guess that's great for them that they
could channel that into something into
art but I I have to I have to reflect on
my hard emotions and hard times like
retroactively well the sad truth I think
I have to be in a good place to be
creative I agree with you and then talk
about it from a healthy place even if
it's a really sad song it's it's like me
reflecting on how I felt at that time I
agree with you but I also want to be
alive yeah
and that's the truth I want to like live
life I want to uh
experience what life has to offer I want
to experience Joy yeah I don't want to
be miserable I want to experience like
like having a relationship with my kids
is it is it hard as an artist right to
like not romanticize that and and fall
into that character of like you know
separating it uh it's not my age cuz I
feel like I'm an old guy even though I'm
not I'm not that old I feel like I've
lived a lot of life and I also feel like
I'm not um disenchanted or what's the
word I feel like I'm not disillusioned
to what things really are so you can no
longer get me excited about like oh do
this you'll be really famous yeah I
already win on that roller coaster and I
and I and I understand it to a place
where I'm like I don't want to do that
uh versus let's create something that we
think will be really special or like
let's make a classic song that still
excites me if you were like yo I'm
trying to write a classic let's do it
I'd be like yeah you know what I mean so
um the lie that it's this like yeah he's
so he's on drugs but man his Art's good
you know I don't buy it dude I don't buy
it I don't buy it either I think wow
he's in so much pain yeah so his art is
good yeah because he's expressing pain
and we
all relate to that because the to me The
Human Experience is part pain and
suffering when none of us
are can escape yeah the pain of Life
yeah someone's we're we're going to lose
people we're going to suffer uh um
humiliation at some point or failure at
some point or uh all of the things that
the human we all go through it that's
why I have I think it's easy for me not
to dislike people because I feel empathy
for everyone and and even if I don't
agree with how someone's expressing
thems yeah you know like when we talk
about the internet or we talk about
social platforms we talk about politics
I get a little disappointed in how
people Express themselves because I
think people have we we we we we live in
a really a culture of meanness now um
but we've been here before the world has
been here at times but like the the lie
that you're talking about like yeah his
art is so good but he's on drugs and
that's part of it yeah like no uh I
don't think so even if that's a thing
like it can't be a long lasting thing
well that's the thing is is is it's this
it's this lie that is
sold to I think to young people in our
industry to keep
them from waking up and becoming the
independence educated on how they're
being ripped
yes and it's an easy way to keep uh
artists corraled and unplugged from
reality of how things work and it's also
I find myself respecting bands more like
you guys when I see how you guys run
your business and I go okay they are
with it they actually show up every day
and they take responsibility for
themselves and like that's who I want to
be I don't want someone to lie to me and
tell me what I want to hear and I think
that we work in an industry where people
are manipulated all the time and and
artists I think are anxious so I get it
like they're easy marks for for the
drugs and the alcohol and the the the
ways that you can keep people
unplugged so they don't have to deal
with it and then you have all these
Gatekeepers who say I'll deal with it
right I'll deal with it that's the whole
mentality behind our company is to not
be that to be partners to talk about
information and make and and and make
DEC decisions together with people that
feel like you're plugged into your
[ __ ] business and and and no you
don't need us yeah we work that's the
thing the other thing is I think we in
our industry artists are kind of
manipulated to feel like oh my God if I
don't have that person everything's
going to fall apart no the idea about a
career is what version do I want you do
need a team you do need to build a team
of people that you trust that you respect
respect
but it's about you yeah making decisions
and making and and then having people
that you that you respect around you
like a council of people that are good
partners that you guys can share
information and make good decisions
versus someone scaring you into going
forward all the time yeah I think our
industry is prone to that I don't think
it's everyone I think there's amazing
people out there that I know and in the
institutional part of the music business
that are great like I don't think all
labels are bad and all Publishers are
bad I'm not that guy there's great
people well that's that experience thing
we were talking about you know like how
are you going to have the knowhow of
like oh stay away from this guy or stay
away from this agent or whatever if you
don't if you don't at least have been in
the industry or touring or experienced
you know like you're not you won't know
and no one who could blame you for not
knowing it's like in sports I do think
the best coaches played I do think they
understand how it feels to be out there
well I think that's that's why we
gravitated towards working with you guys
you know cuz obviously your Inc
incredible career like you guys have we
did our thing back back in the day we
did our thing you know you know and like
I've I mean we've never had this
relationship with people we work with as
a band where like you know I I just
punish miles all day with like memes and
you know like sometimes we don't even
talk about business we talk about just
life stuff you know and like that to me
is like a that's an awesome relationship
to have with the people you work with
it's important that I think you like the
people you work with um but we're all
human beings in this industry with this
especially an industry where you don't
need any certification to be a manager
you don't need a certification to work
at a label yeah so there's and we're
we're talking about music as one as a
top resource in the world people are
consuming music more than they ever have
and artists are have more opportunity
than they've ever had but with that
comes a lot of Bad actors too that come
in and take advant manage and move on it
now that is the human nature I'm not
saying that any other industry is any
different no I think that's just people
that's just people people thing you know
but you have to recognize that that's a
possibility and I think artists have to
try and become as independently minded
as they can so that they can
always I always say you are your best
manager until you can't be no one's
going to care more than you no one's
going to care more than you you know
what I mean exactly and so we can care
but not as much as you I think that's
why we gravitate towards writing and
producing for the most part ourselves is
because you know you hear about I feel
like at least a while ago like maybe
it's changed but you hear about bands
being like Oh we went to this huge
producer that's you know won all these
Awards they sold all these records and
worked on all these huge records and you
kind of get like uh you know maybe like
horse blinders are like you know diluted
by all the the success that person has
and you equate it with like experience
or investment in you because that person
had you know so much success but I feel
like I found that that's like just their
job and while not obviously not every
producer is like a bad guy trying to get
a check like it goes back to the no
one's going to care more than you thing
so if you have the tools or the means or
even the time to educate yourself on how
to use the tools and the means you
should be as Hands-On as you can you
should co-produce like you should be in
the driver's seat of the studio as well
at the desk if you can do it if you can
if you're if
where where artists sometimes go wrong
is thinking they can do it and they
can't yet they haven't earned the
ability now you have to be the one to
have the guts to listen and go this
isn't good enough and that's what a true
artist does in my opinion versus someone
is like I don't want to look at it I
don't want to make a decision you decide
or you get pressured by a manager or
label to like put it out and you stand
your ground right I don't see you guys
ever having that problem like again
because you produce your own [ __ ] and
you have a vision um but I do think
people get
spun and they lose their kind of compass
right creatively cuz they stopped
trusting their own Instinct a long time
ago I think at the point where you're
like I'm not putting this record out if
you've never done that before it's
either a real problem with the record or
you're spun out for some reason and you
got to look at like you got to stop and
go like wait why am I so spun why can I
not feel my compass got to give it a few
weeks or something yeah and you got to
go like what what what what's my gut is
it saying something I think that that
like artists that double down on how
they feel and trusting their gut like I
that again maybe this is not your
experience my experience of you guys is
you just make gut decisions all the time
and you just don't feel that conflicted
about it uh is that true I think we feel
conflicted but we ask the question of
like why right you know and then we
reference something like a choice we
made in the past that ended up being the
right choice right and and we do that
every time we write now and so sometimes
we'll we'll like you know instinctually
if we're working on a verse or like the
beat for the verse will like gravitate
towards the obvious thing you hear first
and sometimes that's the right answer
because it's your instinct but then
other times you're like well how let's
put more time into this let's not rush
this you know and then you scroll
through your samples on splice or you
try something on the keyboard and you're
like this is a really weird thing but I
like it you know and it's like really
unexpected I would never think to do
this but I just did it on accident Maybe
and then you're like well let's see
where this goes and you go down that
rabbit hole and that's how I get in that
situation I was saying earlier where
like you do the same thing over and over
and expect different results music's the
one thing where you actually might get a
different result and like like this song
we just were working on it went through
like four versions like two different
tempos three different Keys like two
different genres right you know like it
had the whole Different instrumental
Foundation behind it for a second we
could not hack the chorus so we like
picked it apart like rebuilt it and then
finally we're like this is it this is
where it's supposed to go and maybe
that's another reason why I'm like a
little jaded about people that say like
oh yeah like their best records they
were on drugs because like maybe they
write music different maybe they're like
proficient at piano and they can just do
that and sing but like the way I make
music is so insane and backwards like I
produce while I'm writing like sometimes
I mix a little bit while I'm writing and
like you know I'll I'll I'll do a vocal
over just a piano part and then build a
whole new song around the vocal or I'll
make like a cool beat that helps me like
come up with a different Swagger or
Cadence for a vocal part and then
rebuild it again right is because I
couldn't have come up with that vocal
part without that instrumental behind it
yeah but I don't I don't want that
instrumental you know I don't want to be
a rapper so I I don't know it's just
it's really strange and it's like it's
like a but it's how you work yeah it's
like a laboratory or something like also it's
it's
like it's Unique yeah to you because
that's how you work and I think that
like it's cool I agree with you too I
mean look we go back to the artist
that's on drugs like I think it's weird
when anyone references an artist that
they want to be as big FS that died
early from drugs yeah you know was like
you'll be as you you you'll you'll be
bigger than uh Cobain right and you're
like well he died at a young age and he
he killed himself and his music is
incredible but also like I wonder if I'd
rather have incred an incredible musical
Legacy or to be alive and and Tren resar
and that's the thing is that's a great
example of someone who I think has has
like come in built a career and has a
life that I think is really interesting
and overcame darkness and overcame the
darkness of whatever probably he he he
went through and I have no idea I don't
know him personally but I'm sure um but
that also like has a life and is is
alive has a family I think and like that
to me is
inspiring people want to
romanticize I feel like especially now
people want to romanticize like dying
young or it's it's terrible and it's
like you can you can tap into like the
harder parts of life or tragedy or your
mind or your experience without becoming
it you know what I mean or or like
trying to memorialize yourself in real
time yeah you know like you
can absolutely absolutely and and it and
it and to me it has nothing to do with
art nothing to do with art that this
person who's suffering and ends up dying
overdosing killing thems um I feel
extreme pain for them and I think they needed
needed
help versus I don't ever glor it's weird
I never like look at it and go wow what
amazing what an
amazing what an amazing story I I think
the music's amazing and then oh my God
that's tragic they died so young I don't
ever put the two together as like this
romantic like wow or like they affected
like the art somehow attributed to that
like yeah I never want to romanticize
that or anything but I think it's smart
I think it's like also super uh I I also
think that your guys's music is is
likely super therapeutic for a lot of
people that love your band uh from my
experience of your fans if they feel
like pretty
thoughtful people that are going through
similar experiences U like dealing with
anxiety depression dealing with uh the
pain of life right uh and and that's
probably why I relate to your music when
I when I hear a little bit about where
where you come from and I know you come
from uh Virginia which isn't far from
where I'm from so it's a similar place
in the world so I kind of can IM
visualize a little bit like where you're
from and I think of like the things you
went through it's probably the chord
that it strikes in me is that same right
kind of like lifelong relationship I'll always
like lifelong relationship I'll always have with depression anxiety um the
have with depression anxiety um the painful parts of life losing people
painful parts of life losing people um anything that I've been through
um anything that I've been through it you're singing about stuff that I
it you're singing about stuff that I think people and actually think everyone
think people and actually think everyone can relate to that but I think the
can relate to that but I think the people that tend to like your music and
people that tend to like your music and the people that I feel like your fans I
the people that I feel like your fans I kind of relate to them they feel similar
kind of relate to them they feel similar I feel like we're all into similar
I feel like we're all into similar things um I feel like it's people who
things um I feel like it's people who have a relationship with uh the
have a relationship with uh the suffering and the painful part of life
suffering and the painful part of life but that want
but that want to understand it and work through it
to understand it and work through it well we have such an interesting
well we have such an interesting demographic cuz we have I feel like we
demographic cuz we have I feel like we have older people that really like our
have older people that really like our music we have like really young people
music we have like really young people that really like our music like
that really like our music like International obviously like different
International obviously like different cultures and countries that really like
cultures and countries that really like our music so
our music so what's your favorite place you think to
what's your favorite place you think to go so far that's tricky I loved Japan
go so far that's tricky I loved Japan Japan's aesome i' love to go back there
Japan's aesome i' love to go back there again that was it was been too long
again that was it was been too long um I mean us is really good for you guys
um I mean us is really good for you guys yeah I mean like logistically and if
yeah I mean like logistically and if we're not talking about traveling and
we're not talking about traveling and stuff the US is my favorite to tour you
stuff the US is my favorite to tour you know it's like it's the easiest where we
know it's like it's the easiest where we know it and then like in Europe it's
know it and then like in Europe it's like oh it's after 9:00 p.m. I guess
like oh it's after 9:00 p.m. I guess we're not eating dinner like it's it's
we're not eating dinner like it's it's so much harder over there you're not
so much harder over there you're not from there yeah um
from there yeah um but yeah I I don't know I I think
but yeah I I don't know I I think probably like Japan I'd want to go back
probably like Japan I'd want to go back to but yeah like our demographic is like
to but yeah like our demographic is like it's so vastly different and that's like
it's so vastly different and that's like another thing that bums me out when I'm
another thing that bums me out when I'm when I do tap in or try to see like what
when I do tap in or try to see like what fans are saying and like you you think
fans are saying and like you you think about the internet and it's it's like
about the internet and it's it's like putting all these different people from
putting all these different people from different generations and and religious
different generations and and religious background political backgrounds
background political backgrounds cultures in this like waiting room
cultures in this like waiting room together to like coexist like what do
together to like coexist like what do you think's going to happen
you think's going to happen going be friction and Fus fusion and I
going be friction and Fus fusion and I never like want our music to be
never like want our music to be responsible for that so like that's
responsible for that so like that's that's one of the reasons I'm always
that's one of the reasons I'm always like writing music about like social
like writing music about like social media and stuff because I like again
media and stuff because I like again like I said earlier I feel like people
like I said earlier I feel like people are inherently good and I like want more
are inherently good and I like want more people to acknowledge that and like give
people to acknowledge that and like give each other a break sometimes cuz I'm
each other a break sometimes cuz I'm just like so tired of negativity like I
just like so tired of negativity like I experienc so much negativity in my own
experienc so much negativity in my own mind I don't want to like turn to
mind I don't want to like turn to something that's supposed to be a
something that's supposed to be a distraction or an entertainment and find
distraction or an entertainment and find more of it whether that's like the
more of it whether that's like the internet or the news or something you
internet or the news or something you know and I don't know I don't know I'm
know and I don't know I don't know I'm going on a tangent there the message is
going on a tangent there the message is is interesting cuz the music is so like
is interesting cuz the music is so like our music should bring people together
our music should bring people together it and it and I think it does yeah what
it and it and I think it does yeah what you're saying is like I wish people
you're saying is like I wish people would be nice to one another yeah like
would be nice to one another yeah like at our show at our shows like this past
at our show at our shows like this past tour we just did we it was like mostly
tour we just did we it was like mostly Midwest stuff and you could tell like
Midwest stuff and you could tell like there was a few nights a couple nights
there was a few nights a couple nights actually
actually I had just stopped the set multiple
I had just stopped the set multiple times CU people kept getting in like I
times CU people kept getting in like I don't know if it was fights or arguments
don't know if it was fights or arguments or or what like I couldn't tell I I
or or what like I couldn't tell I I didn't see what happened but there's
didn't see what happened but there's just like people clashing and I can tell
just like people clashing and I can tell they're like two different types of
they're like two different types of people you know You' got this like I
people you know You' got this like I think Blue Collar dude and then like a
think Blue Collar dude and then like a small teenager and they're like arguing
small teenager and they're like arguing and I'm like I get it but I think that
and I'm like I get it but I think that you you your music can you know a lot of
you you your music can you know a lot of people relate to your music lots of
people relate to your music lots of different people cuz I actually think
different people cuz I actually think that you're touching on things that most
that you're touching on things that most people don't in their music I think your
people don't in their music I think your music is aggressive I think there's
music is aggressive I think there's there's there's a part of your music
there's there's a part of your music that brings out a angry side that I
that brings out a angry side that I don't get to express which is nice when
don't get to express which is nice when I listen to it when I'm running or I'm
I listen to it when I'm running or I'm where for me it motivates me but at the
where for me it motivates me but at the end of the day if I'm driving and I'm
end of the day if I'm driving and I'm alone and I'm frustrated or I'm feeling
alone and I'm frustrated or I'm feeling a certain way I can put your record on I
a certain way I can put your record on I can also put it on when I'm feeling
can also put it on when I'm feeling motivated when I'm feeling excited
motivated when I'm feeling excited energized cuz your music touches on
energized cuz your music touches on different emotions I think there's
different emotions I think there's something about you the way you express
something about you the way you express yourself in your songs that people
yourself in your songs that people relate to and the truth is most people
relate to and the truth is most people don't get to express anger M or
don't get to express anger M or excitement in the world we we get
excitement in the world we we get criticized or we get shut down if we're
criticized or we get shut down if we're angry that bums me out and if we're
angry that bums me out and if we're excited I think about that a lot yeah I
excited I think about that a lot yeah I think about like how confidence has
think about like how confidence has played a role in me as an artist and
played a role in me as an artist and just not even at Arts at a person you
just not even at Arts at a person you know and like how I feel like a lot of
know and like how I feel like a lot of people at a certain point point in their
people at a certain point point in their youth I read I read something about this
youth I read I read something about this so long ago it was from like a book and
so long ago it was from like a book and it was like a c like I was like on
it was like a c like I was like on Tumblr or something like so far back and
Tumblr or something like so far back and so deep in the cut and I cannot remember
so deep in the cut and I cannot remember where it was but it essentially was like
where it was but it essentially was like at some point in your adolescence you
at some point in your adolescence you get like knocked down from your
get like knocked down from your enthusiasm from your passion y whether
enthusiasm from your passion y whether that's like something a sport you're
that's like something a sport you're into playing that you failed at in in an
into playing that you failed at in in an instance or a making music or your
instance or a making music or your sexuality even like something that's in
sexuality even like something that's in your in your core that you're passionate
your in your core that you're passionate about
about and someone when you're at a very
and someone when you're at a very vulnerable age takes it from you or
vulnerable age takes it from you or crushes it or crushes Your Enthusiasm
crushes it or crushes Your Enthusiasm and then from that point on you're
and then from that point on you're afraid to show it yeah some people can
afraid to show it yeah some people can never recover from that yeah some people
never recover from that yeah some people it was taken or was beaten down so so
it was taken or was beaten down so so viciously mhm you sometimes that you're
viciously mhm you sometimes that you're just knocked down you can get back up
just knocked down you can get back up and you don't get the opportunity to get
and you don't get the opportunity to get back some people don't get that
back some people don't get that opportunity some people can never
opportunity some people can never recover and a lot of poor you know what
recover and a lot of poor you know what I mean or you're like you don't have the
I mean or you're like you don't have the access to education to get that
access to education to get that opportunity to realize that's what
opportunity to realize that's what happened to me how do I recover from
happened to me how do I recover from this and find that confidence again or
this and find that confidence again or find that passion again and uh but think
find that passion again and uh but think about it man think about the person
about it man think about the person right that person there's multi multiple
right that person there's multi multiple examples I'm sure people out there that
examples I'm sure people out there that that could relate to that but that don't
that could relate to that but that don't get to go to therapy every week right
get to go to therapy every week right that don't get to work through to go
that don't get to work through to go back and look at experiences from the
back and look at experiences from the past that have shaped their present
past that have shaped their present experience right so how I look at the
experience right so how I look at the reality around me right now my past
reality around me right now my past shaped that somehow yeah but I can go
shaped that somehow yeah but I can go back and I can work on those injuries
back and I can work on those injuries someone knocked me down think about the
someone knocked me down think about the person that is at your show whether it's
person that is at your show whether it's the older guy or the younger kid mhm and
the older guy or the younger kid mhm and this music is the only outlet they have
this music is the only outlet they have at that time to express a bunch of emo
at that time to express a bunch of emo they don't quite understand or maybe
they don't quite understand or maybe they're like I don't know why I'm so
they're like I don't know why I'm so pissed off all the time well I'll tell
pissed off all the time well I'll tell you
you why I don't either but it's likely
why I don't either but it's likely something that happened to you a long
something that happened to you a long time ago yeah that you haven't worked on
time ago yeah that you haven't worked on and that you haven't even addressed and
and that you haven't even addressed and you haven't even come to terms with
you haven't even come to terms with likely if you're depressed or you're
likely if you're depressed or you're pissed off all the time it's likely
pissed off all the time it's likely something from the past it's not the
something from the past it's not the present so whatever you think the
present so whatever you think the problem is in the present that's not it
problem is in the present that's not it go back do some Excavating figure out
go back do some Excavating figure out what happened and you'll likely get to
what happened and you'll likely get to the root cause of your present
the root cause of your present Affliction and it's like it's like the
Affliction and it's like it's like the back pain thing like it's a cycle though
back pain thing like it's a cycle though like some people just get used to it
like some people just get used to it they don't even realize that it's a
they don't even realize that it's a problem that like that's what's holding
problem that like that's what's holding them back maybe in their job or in their
them back maybe in their job or in their hobby or whatever they don't even know
hobby or whatever they don't even know why they are the or feel the way they
why they are the or feel the way they feel because even 100% but even in now
feel because even 100% but even in now where where people where we have I think
where where people where we have I think normalized the conversation or the IDE
normalized the conversation or the IDE idea that we all have mental health we
idea that we all have mental health we all have it we all have our mental
all have it we all have our mental health we have to look after it but it's
health we have to look after it but it's still not quite in in some places and
still not quite in in some places and certainly some people coming to terms
certainly some people coming to terms with the idea that you you need to go
with the idea that you you need to go and do some work you're like it's normal
and do some work you're like it's normal for me to go like man I still have some
for me to go like man I still have some work to do on that yeah like I still
work to do on that yeah like I still haven't gotten all the way there yet
haven't gotten all the way there yet like my self-esteem or my self-love I'm
like my self-esteem or my self-love I'm still working on that part I got to do
still working on that part I got to do some work on it right and I go to
some work on it right and I go to therapy and I do my work and some of it
therapy and I do my work and some of it sometimes I progress faster and
sometimes I progress faster and sometimes I progress slower yeah
sometimes I progress slower yeah sometimes I'm like I don't even want to
sometimes I'm like I don't even want to deal with that today but there are
deal with that today but there are people who've not even started the work
people who've not even started the work and they're older and they haven't had
and they're older and they haven't had the opportunity either it's maybe it's
the opportunity either it's maybe it's Financial or maybe it's just not
Financial or maybe it's just not accepted in right and their upbringing
accepted in right and their upbringing their family what's that mean it means
their family what's that mean it means you have a problem with us and you're
you have a problem with us and you're like means you're a [ __ ] yeah or
like means you're a [ __ ] yeah or whatever whatever the the conclusion is
whatever whatever the the conclusion is drawn on like the guy who may be a like
drawn on like the guy who may be a like outwardly looking tough guy who is
outwardly looking tough guy who is expected to just deal with it and not be
expected to just deal with it and not be depressed now put that guy on the
depressed now put that guy on the internet anonymously and put him on
internet anonymously and put him on anonymously and like like let him loose
anonymously and like like let him loose or or the person who's who who's who
or or the person who's who who's who hasn't been given a lot of support
hasn't been given a lot of support around their physical health maybe they
around their physical health maybe they have uh maybe they have a weight
have uh maybe they have a weight problems or maybe they have a a a bad
problems or maybe they have a a a bad relationship with exercise whatever it
relationship with exercise whatever it is like and then instead of people
is like and then instead of people lifting them up supporting them and and
lifting them up supporting them and and like and being like these loving
like and being like these loving supportive people they're expected to
supportive people they're expected to just toughen up and just not talk about
just toughen up and just not talk about it and just get on with life and be you
it and just get on with life and be you know it or they're or they're just a
know it or they're or they're just a failure that person's just B like a
failure that person's just B like a failure and and and so they'll never get
failure and and and so they'll never get it together but all of it stems from our
it together but all of it stems from our relationship we have with ourself which
relationship we have with ourself which is formed in those early years with the
is formed in those early years with the people who knock us down down or Lift us
people who knock us down down or Lift us up and I was lucky cuz I had a brother
up and I was lucky cuz I had a brother who always lifted me up so even though I
who always lifted me up so even though I didn't have as much support um early on
didn't have as much support um early on from like parental figures who were
from like parental figures who were always supporting me they they really
always supporting me they they really weren't they they couldn't I don't think
weren't they they couldn't I don't think they had the the toolbox to deal with
they had the the toolbox to deal with what they were dealing with in their
what they were dealing with in their failed relationship and all the turmoil
failed relationship and all the turmoil they had my mom and dad I think they had
they had my mom and dad I think they had so much turmoil all the time um they
so much turmoil all the time um they didn't have a lot to give the kids but
didn't have a lot to give the kids but the kids we all support each other and
the kids we all support each other and we ended up with this great support
we ended up with this great support group that we're still super close and I
group that we're still super close and I think about like when I think about who
think about like when I think about who are the reason like I had the confidence
are the reason like I had the confidence to go and do the world and try to do
to go and do the world and try to do something oh my brothers and my sister
something oh my brothers and my sister just like always like yeah you can do it
just like always like yeah you can do it but like lots of people don't have that
but like lots of people don't have that person right and the idea that those
person right and the idea that those people are in the crowd at our show and
people are in the crowd at our show and they are that's never lost on me that
they are that's never lost on me that that to me has become so important in
that to me has become so important in like remembering that when it comes to
like remembering that when it comes to taking the show serious taking my body
taking the show serious taking my body serious which inevitably affects me
serious which inevitably affects me taking the show serious or my mental
taking the show serious or my mental health serious which affects me taking
health serious which affects me taking the show serious or my job serious and
the show serious or my job serious and what you're saying in the songs and
what you're saying in the songs and remembering that those people are there
remembering that those people are there like for example stopping the show
like for example stopping the show because of a disagreement I don't want
because of a disagreement I don't want to like assume what happened and then be
to like assume what happened and then be the reason like maybe this guy's been
the reason like maybe this guy's been fighting for his sobriety for two years
fighting for his sobriety for two years and then like I take a side and I like
and then like I take a side and I like clown on him on stage and then he's he's
clown on him on stage and then he's he's viral on Tik Tok the next day and I'm
viral on Tik Tok the next day and I'm the reason that he drinks that drink
the reason that he drinks that drink again or something that's such an
again or something that's such an extreme hypothetical but that but no
extreme hypothetical but that but no that's not extreme though dude I think
that's not extreme though dude I think you're right I think that not enough
you're right I think that not enough people think about the power they have
people think about the power they have up there and and actually just accept it
up there and and actually just accept it I'm not saying like you need to like
I'm not saying like you need to like like walk around like I know it's a
like walk around like I know it's a weird word to use but when you're on
weird word to use but when you're on stage you have influence yeah and you
stage you have influence yeah and you have some power absolutely and if you're
have some power absolutely and if you're not thoughtful like that which most
not thoughtful like that which most people I think aren't yeah I think they
people I think aren't yeah I think they make it about them oh it's easy to get
make it about them oh it's easy to get lost in that you know I think I think
lost in that you know I think I think the same thing I think it just happened
the same thing I think it just happened with like Haley Williams at a show and
with like Haley Williams at a show and then she like got the full story or
then she like got the full story or something afterwards I could be
something afterwards I could be misremembering it and then like she
misremembering it and then like she apologized to the people that she yelled
apologized to the people that she yelled at in the crowd I don't really fully
at in the crowd I don't really fully remember what happened or if it was
remember what happened or if it was justified whatever who's to say what's
justified whatever who's to say what's Justified but well we've all done it but
Justified but well we've all done it but that's a thought I've had as like a
that's a thought I've had as like a performer when I when I have to stop a
performer when I when I have to stop a show over a disagreement and two people
show over a disagreement and two people are yelling what happened and the other
are yelling what happened and the other two people are yelling what happened and
two people are yelling what happened and I they want me to pick a side or
I they want me to pick a side or something and I sides that's not me
something and I sides that's not me that's not my job it's not my job to
that's not my job it's not my job to like be the reason you're like getting
like be the reason you're like getting clowned on on the internet for 2 days by
clowned on on the internet for 2 days by a bunch of people that you don't know
a bunch of people that you don't know you know what I mean cuz like that sucks
you know what I mean cuz like that sucks it's responsible dude it's being
it's responsible dude it's being responsible and it's like it's not hard
responsible and it's like it's not hard dude I've I've seen like front men try
dude I've I've seen like front men try to be like hard on stage like kicking
to be like hard on stage like kicking someone out of the show it's like dude
someone out of the show it's like dude you you're safe you know what I mean
you you're safe you know what I mean like I don't know but it's but it's it's
like I don't know but it's but it's it's a when you're up there you you have
a when you're up there you you have control power and influence yeah and I
control power and influence yeah and I was talking about this with so the other
was talking about this with so the other day cuz they had to deal with some
day cuz they had to deal with some person that
person that was basically taking advantage of their
was basically taking advantage of their position it was like someone at a at a
position it was like someone at a at a desk who was in control of of something
desk who was in control of of something happening or not and they were it felt
happening or not and they were it felt like they were really relishing that
like they were really relishing that position in that moment of like being
position in that moment of like being able to make to punish this other person
able to make to punish this other person I think that like what we have to
I think that like what we have to understand about human nature and accept
understand about human nature and accept is that we are always going to come in
is that we are always going to come in contact with people that have some form
contact with people that have some form of power over us in some position um
of power over us in some position um along the way so whether it's at the DMV
along the way so whether it's at the DMV or it's at the airport or wherever we're
or it's at the airport or wherever we're going we we're we're moving through
going we we're we're moving through checkpoints and we're dealing with
checkpoints and we're dealing with people at those checkpoints that have
people at those checkpoints that have some power in the ability to to slow us
some power in the ability to to slow us down or speed us up and that human
down or speed us up and that human nature is sometimes to abuse power right
nature is sometimes to abuse power right um and I think it comes from feeling
um and I think it comes from feeling powerless in other areas of your life
powerless in other areas of your life which is where if I behave behave that
which is where if I behave behave that way if I ever get into a moment like why
way if I ever get into a moment like why did I just [ __ ] say that to that guy
did I just [ __ ] say that to that guy or why did I do that and I an obvious
or why did I do that and I an obvious moment where I feel like if I I try to
moment where I feel like if I I try to analyze do I ever Power Trip in any
analyze do I ever Power Trip in any position that I may have some power over
position that I may have some power over any you know even over your [ __ ] kids
any you know even over your [ __ ] kids or whatever right like I try to analyze
or whatever right like I try to analyze myself because I don't want to do that
myself because I don't want to do that but I know
but I know that if we feel powerless in other areas
that if we feel powerless in other areas of our life we will abuse the power we
of our life we will abuse the power we have in other areas right so balance
have in other areas right so balance like we keep talking about balance yeah
like we keep talking about balance yeah balance is key and on stage it's the
balance is key and on stage it's the same thing you have some power and
same thing you have some power and influence up there that you have to
influence up there that you have to respect it can be abused yeah and you
respect it can be abused yeah and you can it's a drug you can use it like a
can it's a drug you can use it like a drug you can also use it and for good
drug you can also use it and for good things you can help people and that's
things you can help people and that's when I think the energy is directed at
when I think the energy is directed at the right thing it's helpful when it's
the right thing it's helpful when it's directed at the wrong thing it's it's
directed at the wrong thing it's it's not helpful but I think that's
not helpful but I think that's interesting you say that cuz I've never
interesting you say that cuz I've never actually heard anyone talk about that
actually heard anyone talk about that and it's so real and most people I think
and it's so real and most people I think well I feel like it's a new thing like
well I feel like it's a new thing like with that the way the culture is
with that the way the culture is evolving in social media like I I do I
evolving in social media like I I do I deviate even a little bit from the show
deviate even a little bit from the show and it's like an event you know what I
and it's like an event you know what I mean and it's
mean and it's like I from like a marketing standpoint
like I from like a marketing standpoint that's good you know like but at the
that's good you know like but at the same time like I'm so interested in like
same time like I'm so interested in like people and like life and like like Phil
people and like life and like like Phil philosophy and [ __ ] like that that I
philosophy and [ __ ] like that that I like I feel like I'm almost always like
like I feel like I'm almost always like observing a human like a social
observing a human like a social experiment in my head kind of hard
experiment in my head kind of hard though you know and it's so strange like
though you know and it's so strange like being in this entity or whatever you
being in this entity or whatever you want to call it that is a banner that is
want to call it that is a banner that is bad Omens and like kind of seeing this
bad Omens and like kind of seeing this like little micro Community form and
like little micro Community form and take place and start their own little
take place and start their own little you know factions and stuff and it's
you know factions and stuff and it's like just wild man like it's just just
like just wild man like it's just just music it's just songs bro what's your
music it's just songs bro what's your favorite part about batt right now
favorite part about batt right now current like right now right now like
current like right now right now like today yeah making music makic cuz we
today yeah making music makic cuz we have we have three months off
have we have three months off technically we we were we're back out at
technically we we were we're back out at the end of August I think and this three
the end of August I think and this three months window of like this summer has
months window of like this summer has just been like the light at the end of
just been like the light at the end of the tunnel for the past like eight or
the tunnel for the past like eight or nine months because we've just been
nine months because we've just been touring so much and we haven't had
touring so much and we haven't had enough time at home in between tours for
enough time at home in between tours for me to write and
me to write and also live Focus or prepare for the next
also live Focus or prepare for the next tour because every tour like take so
tour because every tour like take so much preparation especially overseas and
much preparation especially overseas and again like I'm still very Hands-On and
again like I'm still very Hands-On and all that stuff so this summer we just
all that stuff so this summer we just have more time and I've been I've been
have more time and I've been I've been like full of Creative Energy and writing
like full of Creative Energy and writing so much stuff some weird stuff some
so much stuff some weird stuff some stuff I'll probably never use like stuff
stuff I'll probably never use like stuff for new music for our band and uh yeah
for new music for our band and uh yeah I'm just like I just satisfied just
I'm just like I just satisfied just happy with my with myself and what I'm
happy with my with myself and what I'm making and I like historically it's
making and I like historically it's writing has been hard for me and I've
writing has been hard for me and I've like if I have a whole writing day in
like if I have a whole writing day in the studio and I don't make anything I
the studio and I don't make anything I like I feel like the whole day was
like I feel like the whole day was wasted or like I don't deserve this or
wasted or like I don't deserve this or I'm not I lost it whatever it was or
I'm not I lost it whatever it was or something if I'm not if I'm not writing
something if I'm not if I'm not writing a hit every day like anyone has ever
a hit every day like anyone has ever done that you know and I'm getting
done that you know and I'm getting better at identifying now that it's
better at identifying now that it's happened like album after album that
happened like album after album that that's uh just not how it works and
that's uh just not how it works and there not how it there's going to be
there not how it there's going to be days where you just write [ __ ] ass
days where you just write [ __ ] ass some like lame song you know and so
some like lame song you know and so sometimes you got to trust like the
sometimes you got to trust like the universal process yeah of like I needed
universal process yeah of like I needed to do that whatever for that day to get
to do that whatever for that day to get to the next day where I might might be
to the next day where I might might be writing something that I really feel is
writing something that I really feel is important but maybe the thing that I
important but maybe the thing that I don't think's that important actually
don't think's that important actually ends up being more important than I
ends up being more important than I think and so I can't judge it at the
think and so I can't judge it at the time um you know you know what you know
time um you know you know what you know but at the end of the day like the
but at the end of the day like the process of of making art and feeling
process of of making art and feeling like when to lean in when to lean out
like when to lean in when to lean out like when to stop when to take
like when to stop when to take when to go and clear your mind and go
when to go and clear your mind and go like you know what I'm going to go for
like you know what I'm going to go for three days and go sit on the beach for
three days and go sit on the beach for three days and just stare into nothing
three days and just stare into nothing well I used to equate it to losing if I
well I used to equate it to losing if I didn't write like a super cool song in
didn't write like a super cool song in one day I would felt like I lost so now
one day I would felt like I lost so now I'm just like getting better at uh not
I'm just like getting better at uh not feeling that way like just accepting
feeling that way like just accepting accepting the L I guess at the end of
accepting the L I guess at the end of the day that I didn't write a dope song
the day that I didn't write a dope song and just being like try again tomorrow
and just being like try again tomorrow didn't catch a fish you know and like
didn't catch a fish you know and like maybe whatever ever I started today will
maybe whatever ever I started today will manifest into that and that's happened
manifest into that and that's happened so many times now that that's why I'm
so many times now that that's why I'm trying to remember that and like remind
trying to remember that and like remind myself like this is how art is made like
myself like this is how art is made like the other night I saw a movie I really
the other night I saw a movie I really loved past lives it's like a a a Korean
loved past lives it's like a a a Korean like romance thing uh and I went home
like romance thing uh and I went home and like just wrote like almost movie
and like just wrote like almost movie score that for it like just motions
score that for it like just motions movie inspired
movie inspired instrumentally and then I started
instrumentally and then I started singing over it and I was like this was
singing over it and I was like this was not supposed to have vocals I was just
not supposed to have vocals I was just like writing like a piece you know and
like writing like a piece you know and then like wrote like this amazing hook
then like wrote like this amazing hook that I loved and so I like again I
that I loved and so I like again I rebuilt the instrumental to feel less
rebuilt the instrumental to feel less like score and more like a song I'd want
like score and more like a song I'd want to hear on of the vocals and then you
to hear on of the vocals and then you know it it turned into an awesome song
know it it turned into an awesome song but that night I felt like I lost
but that night I felt like I lost because I just wrote some like dumb 30-
because I just wrote some like dumb 30- second instrumental thing after I saw a
second instrumental thing after I saw a movie and I was like I'm never going to
movie and I was like I'm never going to use this who knows and then the next day
use this who knows and then the next day I was like I'm going to try singing over
I was like I'm going to try singing over this and it just for whatever reason the
this and it just for whatever reason the the chords and the melody just inspired
the chords and the melody just inspired me to write my own Melody and cuz I
me to write my own Melody and cuz I wrote I write really vocal heavy like
wrote I write really vocal heavy like that's kind of my focus is making a
that's kind of my focus is making a really amazing lyric or Melody that's
really amazing lyric or Melody that's why they're good and then rebuilding
why they're good and then rebuilding around under that yep cuz I think that's
around under that yep cuz I think that's the most important part and L people
the most important part and L people give that the credit it deserves but
give that the credit it deserves but yeah I mean unless you're a band that's
yeah I mean unless you're a band that's like really guitar centered or
like really guitar centered or instrumental or something I feel like
instrumental or something I feel like like if you're a rock band or you're
like if you're a rock band or you're trying to write hooks like you got to
trying to write hooks like you got to the vocal is so important why that's why
the vocal is so important why that's why we like to engineer and produce too like
we like to engineer and produce too like you know cuz I can do a 100 takes and
you know cuz I can do a 100 takes and pick my favorite one or build my
pick my favorite one or build my favorite one you know I think I think
favorite one you know I think I think that's just incredible I I
that's just incredible I I think I think bad Omens is one of the
think I think bad Omens is one of the most interesting bands of our time I
most interesting bands of our time I think you guys are I think you guys are
think you guys are I think you guys are doing the most I think you're making
doing the most I think you're making really relevant records that are are are
really relevant records that are are are are accessible yeah like I love your
are accessible yeah like I love your records because they have all the stuff
records because they have all the stuff I want to hear on a record yeah it
I want to hear on a record yeah it doesn't feel pretentious it doesn't feel
doesn't feel pretentious it doesn't feel like it's trying too hard but it's not
like it's trying too hard but it's not basic it's got depth it's got
basic it's got depth it's got skill you can hear the musicianship in
skill you can hear the musicianship in the record you can hear the the ability
the record you can hear the the ability in the record you can hear the
in the record you can hear the songwriting ability in the record but
songwriting ability in the record but it's still I still need a chorus on a
it's still I still need a chorus on a song I Need a big chorus that I can sing
song I Need a big chorus that I can sing along to yeah and with relatable with
along to yeah and with relatable with things I can relate to so you guys are
things I can relate to so you guys are hitting all the things that I love in in
hitting all the things that I love in in music but I also think that like the way
music but I also think that like the way you guys operate is just different from
you guys operate is just different from most bands and I think that you you guys
most bands and I think that you you guys are a great example of what's possible
are a great example of what's possible uh for for bands uh to achieve at a high
uh for for bands uh to achieve at a high level but also like you built all that
level but also like you built all that on your own and I think that that's a
on your own and I think that that's a perfect example of like what what's
perfect example of like what what's possible for a band and I I'm like
possible for a band and I I'm like excited for the next record I think it's
excited for the next record I think it's going to be even better there's a very
going to be even better there's a very small window where I was like I don't
small window where I was like I don't how are we going to beat this cuz like
how are we going to beat this cuz like the death of Peace of Mind like it just
the death of Peace of Mind like it just it felt so perfect when it was finished
it felt so perfect when it was finished and like obviously everyone loved it and
and like obviously everyone loved it and it did it's done really well I guess it
it did it's done really well I guess it still still doing well there's still
still still doing well there's still people finding out about the band it's
people finding out about the band it's still doing well but like I get it to me
still doing well but like I get it to me it feels like we're at the end of the
it feels like we're at the end of the cycle because it's like I've heard it
cycle because it's like I've heard it for like years it's it's new to a lot of
for like years it's it's new to a lot of people that and you'll just you you'll
people that and you'll just you you'll have to get used to that idea that like
have to get used to that idea that like there's a whole new wave of people that
there's a whole new wave of people that like your band for the first time yeah
like your band for the first time yeah that's what that's going to continue to
that's what that's going to continue to happen but that's why I get so excited
happen but that's why I get so excited because there's going to be an appetite
because there's going to be an appetite for the next record that's really
for the next record that's really exciting and I think you guys are going
exciting and I think you guys are going to be hungry to make it we are yeah even
to be hungry to make it we are yeah even if it takes a long time like I it's it I
if it takes a long time like I it's it I have to love it just like I did with the
have to love it just like I did with the desk of mine you know and however long
desk of mine you know and however long that I love it if it takes me 3 years to
that I love it if it takes me 3 years to figure it out until I love it or four
figure it out until I love it or four years even like that's how long they're
years even like that's how long they're they're going to wait or two maybe or
they're going to wait or two maybe or two maybe we do one and a half I just
two maybe we do one and a half I just you know I I I'm excited for that I and
you know I I I'm excited for that I and I've been I mean I I I wouldn't say I've
I've been I mean I I I wouldn't say I've played out the record but I've played it
played out the record but I've played it so much um and I still listen to it um U
so much um and I still listen to it um U but I'm excited now when I get to hear
but I'm excited now when I get to hear that whole record when I get to put that
that whole record when I get to put that record on and just like uh I think it's
record on and just like uh I think it's going to be great I'm excited for you
going to be great I'm excited for you guys thank you thanks for coming on dude
guys thank you thanks for coming on dude thanks for having me this was awesome
thanks for having me this was awesome great awesome talking all right Noah y
great awesome talking all right Noah y thanks bro
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