This discussion centers on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, specifically the aftermath of the October 7th Hamas attack, exploring the justifications, morality, and potential consequences of Israel's response, with a particular focus on the concept of "proportionate response" and the framing of the conflict.
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well joining me now to discuss the
conflict in Israel and Gaza it's a TV
host in Satur is Bassam YF Bassam it's
great to have you back on the program I
wish it was under different
circumstances um first of all what is
your reaction to What happened on
October the
7th oh it was terrible of course I mean
we kind of get our news kind of also
secondhand because you know my my wife's
family they live in Gaza they they have
uh cousins and uncles there um and uh
their house also was bombed we haven't
been able to communicate with them for
the past three days communication are
lost so we don't know actually what is
the uh how is like how are they're doing
but you know we used to that I mean it's
just like it's it's it's very repetitive
we used to that we used to them being
bombed every time and moving from one
place to the other uh you know it's just
like those Palestinians they're very
dramatic ah Israel killing us but they
never die I mean they always come back
you know they they're very difficult to
kill very difficult people to kill I
know because I'm married to one I tried
many times couldn't kill her I mean
there's a dark humor there and I
understand why because oh it's not dark
humor I really I try to get to her every
time but she uses our kids as human
Shields I can never take her
out again I understand the the humor but
I to be serious basam about this tonight
there is I will be serious now I I I I
will be serious I was watching your
interview with Ben Shapiro and I'll will
tell you one thing I think that Ben
Shapiro is one of the smartest people
who ever walked this Earth he's very
very smart I follow him and I believe
everything he said and when he came out
on your show his solution was and I
quote his solution was that the solution
for this is for Israel to Annex Gaza and
to kill as many son of [ __ ] as
possible to make sure that this will
never happen again and anyone anyone who
call for a ceasefire will be a terrorist
simp so God forbid I don't want to be
labeled as a terrorist sympathizer so I
agree with Ben shapir I think we should
kill as many son of [ __ ] as possible let
me so far 3,500 people were killed
including 5,000 son of [ __ ] in the
bombing of the Baptist uh uh uh hospital
as we speak right now onethird of those
3,500 were children so my question to
Ben Shapiro is how many more son of
[ __ ] do we need to kill Beno is happy
because it changes from changes from I'm
I'm I'm sorry that list I'm I'm I'm
really at a disadvantage here I'm
looking at a camera I don't see you I
can hear you on my the reason I'm
interrupting is I think you might be I
think I think you're conflating
different interviews with Ben Shapiro he
didn't use the phrase sons of [ __ ]
with me let me play to you what he
actually said on my did he did he did go
back go back to your interview he didn't
that was another interview but let me
play what he said to me
here well I frankly I I don't believe in
proportionate response to terrorism I
believe that the way that you stop
terrorism is with wildly
disproportionate response that doesn't
mean in terms of targeting civilians it
means in terms of killing as many
terrorist as humanly possible and
allowing them to dictate the terms of
Engagement by hiding behind civilians in
areas that that they're supposedly
responsible for means that the only
option for Israel is to surrender to
hamas's hatred of its own citizens its
willingness to use its own children as
human Shields no no country worth it
salt could ever do that now that is sign
substantively different to what you said
he said right he's talking there
specifically about I AG I agree I I I
agree with him the the thing is the
question is what is a proportionate
response because it has been different
from one tier to other so if you look to
this graph for example this is the death
of Israeli and Palestinians and it's
changing from one year to year it's like
fluctuating like crypto so my question
is today what is the going rate today
for human lives I mean 2014 was a great
year for Ben chapiro 88 Israelis were
died and there was 2, 329 Palestinians
killed on the other side that is one
Israeli for 27 uh Palestinian that is a
very good exchange rate what I'm saying
is what is the exchange rate for today
so you guys will be happy that's my
question well it's not me it's not me
guys I I I'm not on either side no no no
not you like when I say you guys I say
like the people on the other side of
that I know that you you don't think
like that appear you're one of the good
guys but let me tell you something I
mean I'm the reason that I'm I'm using
this is that I mean I I can't remember
what happened in 2014 and there was no
music festival but there there must be
something I mean they must do something
it is their fault it has to be something
I mean 2018 300 Palestinian died ah
who's counting you know so the thing is
what my question is let's find what is
the exchange rate for human life today
so we know expect the future death of
Palestinians and would be happy to it my
my response to that would be this B I
thought carefully about this because I
think it's very tricky for people like
me to immerse ourselves into a conflict
where we're not directly involved and I
thought carefully about what I feel
about this I feel that the scale of what
Hamas did on October the 7th supersedes
anything else I've seen in this conflict
really ever that the the savagery The
Butchery the slaughter of 1300 people
the shooting of babies the kidnapping of
grandmother and so on so if if we can
agree on that which I think is
inarguable then the question then
becomes again about proportion I I don't
disagree that there's been a lot of bad
stuff on both sides going back
historically for decades but if we agree
that this was on a different level
altogether quite deliberately by Hamas
designed designed to provoke designed to
here's my question let me ask you a
question and and the question you you
raised it earlier about proportion I
honestly don't know what the
proportionate response is uh I I I
honestly don't I I don't I've been
watching the air strik what's your
question well I was ask I well I would
ask you if you were
Israel what would you was Israel if you
were Israel and that had happened to you
what would you think would be the
appropriate way for the country to
respond I would do exactly like Israel
did Kill as many people as possible
since the the the word is letting me do
it I mean I I can do it because I can
you know but the thing is you know what
I agree with you and you know what I'm
going to be even ahead of you because I
see the question coming do you condemn
Hames for the ATR yes I condemn Hamas I
condemn Hamas I condemn Hamas is the
source of all evil there for and you
know what let's for a minute imagine a
world without Hamas right what will this
word look like let's give this word a
name and let's name this word the West
Bank Hamas has absolutely no control in
the West Bank and since the beginning of
this only through August 37 Palestinian
kids were killed no music festival no
paragliding no Hamas since the
occupation of the West Bank 7,000
Palestinians were killed no music
festival no paragliding no Hamas I can
go on and on and on and on no no but you
don't you don't need to because in a way
in a way you're preaching to the choir
i' I've followed this crisis Oh no
you're not preaching so the the thing is
like I I know I know that what you're
saying has validity of course of course
Pi Pierce by the way Pierce Pierce
Pierce I am at a disadvantage here I can
interrupt me and interrupt my points
sure so because this this this has to be
fair because if you want to only hear
your opinion I can just condemn ham and
go home I can do that so if you do you
want to do that or do you have a much
more Nuance conversation no I absolutely
want have a Nuance conversation I wasn't
aware I was interrupting you I thought I
was amazing so let's I mean I mean I
would say I would say I really applaud
Israel for doing one thing that no
military force in the word does because
I heard I heard Ben Shapiro and I heard
Rond santis and they said they said
Israel is the only military force in the
world that warns civilians before
bombing them I mean how [ __ ] cute
that is so nice of them because with
this logic if Russian troops started
warning ukrainians before bombing their
houses we're cool with Putin right I
mean okay Habibi you have warned them go
invade it's fine you have done your job
I mean the thing is and I understand and
I also heard Ben Shapiro talking about
uh about human shield so you remember my
wife's family they live in Gaza so I
asked them I told them when Israel give
you the nice warning the cute warning
does Hamas force you to stay in your
home so you can be bombed and use a as
as human shield you know Hassen here my
my wife's uh my wife's cousin he's a he
he's a loser you know he he told me you
know when I asked him does that happen
he told me no the lying son of a [ __ ]
lied to me I told him you don't
understand Ben Shapiro and the SST keep
saying that Israel warns you and Hamas
ask you to keep to stay put so I I I
told you he's a loser he never kept a
job he even like failed in all of the
interviews to become like a human shield
I I I would believe Ben shapir so let's
go with that no no no let's no no let me
ask at some point I must be able to ask
you questions it's not age if we agree
if we agree the the 14,000 casualties I
mean who's counting our human shield
does that mean that every single one of
those civilians will standing obscuring
a military Target behind them because
that's a lot of weapons I mean Hamas is
packing no of course it doesn't and look
I you know so so so there is some
collateral damage lots of collateral
damage yes it's fine yeah you kill you
kill some to save some and then kill
some more yeah I agree yeah yeah yeah I
AG I would let me ask you this again it
comes back to proportionate response
when the world when the world decided it
had to get rid of Isis because of the
appalling Butchery they were carrying
out uh it did so by by also killing very
sadly a lot of civilians along the way
by doing air strikes against places
which killing civilians are inevitable
you said that in the beginning point
it's inevitable but once Israel once
Israel has decided that they want to get
rid of Hamas and Hass is embedded with
civilian population I'm very concerned
about what's going to happen next I've
written a column tonight saying I
remember the Iraq which I oppos right I
remember all this so my question for you
is I know I what would be what would you
think would be an appropriate response
by Israel to what happened well well the
these are years of disproportionate
responses of Israel did it solve the
solution did it solve the problem did
did it work before so it will what what
will be the surprise this time what will
be the twist that will make this work
this time what what will be different
this time seriously I mean like this is
only the last 15 years I mean because
it's too too many papers I just got this
but what how will this will be different
and the thing is it I am so glad in the
introduction that you mentioned the Iraq
War I applaud you Pier for saying that
because you were honest about it you
said that spreading lies like wmds make
people look at those people as less of
humans and they would accept the death
of a million Iraqi whether by Shanks or
by Invasion right you are you you are a
good man this is amazing and you know
what is similar is when you spread the
lies of 40 decapitated babies although
it was refuted so what happens when
people hear that you know killing babies
is horrible but when you say decapitated
40 babies you are planting a certain
image a certain trigger in people's mind
who has said that who has said 4 who
have said that you have said 40
decapitated who has said that you have
you have repeat no no I haven't what
I've never said that you haven't said on
your show 40 decapitated babies never
Ben shapir didn't say it Ronda santis
didn't say nobody has said okay P nobody
said it no oh okay okay okay maybe I am
wrong decapitated here you're wrong I've
never said that the thing what happened
what yeah no you're you're wrong but the
thing is when Iraq the thing is the same
thing is happening in Iraq Ben Shapiro
once tweeted not even about Gaza about
the West Bank when Israel continued to
build the illegal set he said 2017
Israel likes to build things and Arabs
not Palestine not Hamas Arabs like the
bomb crap and live in open sewage yeah I
thought that was very very the isra the
Israeli defense the isra defense
minister he said those are human animals
and the thing is Ben shapir should know
better because you know long before the
Holocaust before Jewish people were
thrown in the gas
Chambers the Nazi propaganda called them
rats now as a human being I will never
accept that another human being being
thrown in a into a g chamber but a rat
kill a 10 kill a th000 3,500 they are
son of aitu they are human animals who
live in open SI and decapitate babies
and because of that propaganda Mr Morgan
that guy in Illinois the 71 years old
guy he killed stabbing the six years old
Palestinian kid in Ino 26 times and he
used to play with him they used to be
friends but he went in marching into
their apartment stabbing his mother and
killing him shouting all Muslims could
die it took you 8 years to change one
word from Jewish to Muslim and then you
transferred your guilt to us and took
away our leg let me ask you let me ask
you a question that deal sucks man let
me ask you a question uh how do we get
from where we are now to
peace well first of all you need to
change the perception uh Nikki Haley the
American presidential candidate said we
are in Israel in this because it's a
fight between EV good and evil now if
you already decided someone is good he
can do no evil and if you decide that
someone is evil it's it's good to kill
them killing them is good you see the
thing is it is it is not like something
new I mean I I I look at history and I
see I'm sorry to say and I'm sorry to
say this but westerners has always dealt
like this with indigenous people you
first treated them like Savages you know
Native American First Nation Aboriginal
they're Savages kill all the Savages and
then when they're almost extinct you
start feeling sorry for them you know
like animals so maybe maybe the solution
is that we kill as many Palestinian as
possible so the few of them that remains
do not bother you and
maybe for another 100
years a tree hugger let me just challeng
you on this and he will campaign for for
preserving the keep talking about
westerners like me okay so let me return
the favor okay Hamas is dedicated to the
complete eradication of Jewish people I
am not the spokesman for ham why do you
why do you spokesman [ __ ] hate them
are you happy you're missing my point
you're talking in a generalized way
about people in the west who always talk
about Arabs as Savages I don't no no I'm
talking the campaign I led the media
campaign in this country against the
Iraq War okay so I don't see I don't see
people in the Middle East Savages but
say the good ones what I say talking
about you you're great no no it's not
about me being great it's about it's
about the way ham behaved on October the
7th was like Savages like a pack of
savages it was the worst atrocity
against Jewish people since the
Holocaust there has to be of course
there has to be a response and my
question beic my question for you ising
the history by what is the proportionate
response but I don't know but there's no
Hamas in the West Bank and they're still
dying there so what's your excuse I
don't have any
excuse okay what's what's your
explanation sorry sorry uh my earpiece
went down I I listen I don't make any
pretense that this hasn't been a massive
problem okay between Palestine and
Israel going back to the mid-40s we all
know this right I I'm I'm I'm yeah yeah
yeah Pierce Pierce Pierce listen I'm not
saying that you're making excuse but if
you are adopting a certain point of view
you have to at least defend it I'm
telling you there is no Hamas in the
West Bank what is what is the excuse not
your excuse what is the accuse to kill those
those
people well it's listen this question
question of proportionality is one no no
no answer my question I've been
answering your question you answer mine
it's actually not my job to answer your
questions it's not okay not your not
your job I I I agree with you I'm more
interested in you who has family in Gaza
I'll who's an Egyptian in the Middle
East right I'm more interested in what
you have to say okay I'm telling you I'm
telling you I think Hamas is the problem
okay now let's say Hamas is removed
let's ham yeah I I I'm agreeing with
everything about
you want me to go ham I will condemn ham
hus Hass everybody guys say wait I can't
hear you the uh the
oops okay yeah uh I I do need I think I
think just go go back is he there you go
back you go back can you go back okay go
thank you guys can you hear B yeah yeah
now I can hear so here's the thing can
you hear okay so is let's say for
example Hamas ceased to exist okay do
you hear me yes yeah Hamas ceased to
exist today now right now in Palestine
in West Bank and and uh and Gaza 20% of
Palestinians go through Israeli prison
system whether in prisonment whether
interrogation whether torture and the
rest of them they live a life of daily
loss of land of homes of life and they
are they are suffocated by the so let me
ask you something if you are a pal inian
living into these conditions for decades
would you would you sympathize with your
oppressor or sympathize with the people
who claim they resist them even if they
are terrorists I have made I have made
no secret that I think the conditions
Palestinians have had to exist under are
completely unacceptable I've said that
for years so the question then becomes
how do you forge peace between two
Waring parts of that region who for
decades have approached peace in my view
with mutual sledgehammers with no actual
desire to have peace and I think it
comes down in the end to great
leadership and I I don't think there's
greaters I don't think well hang on let
me make my point I don't think there's
great leadership on either side where is
the Nelson Mandela figure here to come
through all
this nelon Mandela where is that n
Mandela NE Nelson Mandela actually have
criticized Israel for being a horrible
State all of the South African tivist
have actually isra my point is about how
he how he responded to a country that
was so divided is a temp is a template
is a template for how you get to peace
isn't it I I I I haven't met Danon
Mandela so I wouldn't know but like I I
I there's a point there's a there's a
very important Point here you know I
want to understand what is the logic of
Israel carpet bombing Gaza I mean if
there's a logic if it is a good if this
will make Israel safe I want to hear the
logic so if they continue bombing what
are are they hoping to achieve we know
what we know what their stated aim is
their stated aim is to eradicate and
wipe out Hamas they believe Hamas are
living are living predominantly in
Northern Gaza they also are aware
they're living amongst civilians so it's
an incredibly difficult thing as I said
as I said in my mon you know it is very
very difficult to see how they do this
without massive collateral damage so if
I can understand this correctly
basically Israel is doing this to
pressure the Palestinian community in
Gaza to turn against Hamas is that right
I'm sure that's part of it yes that's
part of it so this is exactly what
terrorist organization do because
terrorist organizations will have no
chance beating a whole nation in battle
so they terrorize and they kill the
civilians in order to spread fear and
Terror so they can turn against their
government to change their policy or to
resign you have just compared Israel
with Isis no I haven't I don't I don't
see any comparison between it's going to
be the headlines tomorrow is Isis only
only amongst people who weren't
listening the comparison which is more
apite is Isis and Hamas they are both
nihilistic Terror groups intent on
killing as many Jewish people and others
as they can possibly kill and you can't
you can't you can't get peace with
people like that absolutely you know
what I'm going to do something that
nobody done on your television you know
what I'm going to do on your episode I'm
I'm going to do I'm going to pretend
that I'm an Israeli citizen I'm going to
put my my myself in in the in the place
of an Israeli settler in the kaputs and
I want to speak to my prime minister
Benyamin nany mhm Mr bamin Netanyahu I
have voted for you because you have
promised us peace and prosperity and
security on the 7th of October those son
of bches Hamas they went into defense
that is regularly heavy heavily guarded
usually if there's like a dove that
comes close to it it will be shot those
people went in and they went for 6 hours
before IDF forces was deployed killing
our friends our families kidnapping our
grandmothers and babies and went in I
want to ask you Mr Prime Minister after
you have fractured the Israeli community
and you have [ __ ] our courts our
Supreme Courts what are you doing with
the money being given to you to the
United States also you are carpet
bombing Gaza with absolutely no regard
to our hostages our people I heard a
rumor in the kaputs that you're doing
that as an you let that happen to as an
excuse to carpet bomb Gaza so you push
them into Sinai and I didn't believe
that I like not my prime minister he can
never do that and then I watched an
interview for Danny Alon he was your
Chief adviser he was also the Israeli
ambassador to the United States and you
know what he said Mr Prime Minister he
said that the solution for those
Palestinians is to go into a vast land
of Sinai and live into tent cities
temporarily huh temporarily when wink
until we build Gaza again and then we
invite you
back we've seen this movie before so and
I and when I saw this I couldn't explain
to my fellows in the Kuts how come our
Israeli government is trading human
lives for another piece of land so as an
Israeli citizen I need to hold my
Israeli government accountable and as an
American citizen I want to know all of
these money that we are giving to Israel
we giving them $4 billion every year Joe
Biden said it's the best investment they
ever America ever done well I if I am in
the in the place of Joe Biden I would
say sorry don't speak
uh I I would I would say if I was Joe
Biden I would go down and whisper in the
ears of Netanyahu and tell them I hate
bad Investments they haunt me you know
like little finger in Game of Thrones
but the thing is the thing is this is
the problem Israel always victimizes
itself and I have never seen a victim
putting their oppressor Under Siege and
bombing them 47 Israel wants you to
believe that they are the victim is
dealing with Israel is so difficult it's
like being in a relationship with a
narcissistic psychopath he [ __ ] you up
and then he makes you think it's your
fault you look at Israel as Superman but
they're really homelander they are like
they they are
shooting and they are annoyed with the
splashes B I want to say two things one
if you could just slightly Mound your
language we are uncensored but if you
keep swearing we have to apologize to
viewers you may be offended by that I
understand passions Run High so let's
not get too bugged down about the old
swear I apologize to the viewers I
apologize to the viewers for my language
my second question is this after site of
of dead civilian after the break we have
the managing director of The Daily wire
which is Ben Shapiro's company we were
going to interview him on his own but
he's happy to come on and talk with you
directly if you are prepared to
stay well of course I I I can stay but
again I am [ __ ]
this I am in a disadvantage and I would
like to have my space to respond okay
we'll come back after the break I I I
because because because here's the thing
we got to go to a break when we come
back from the break be you and Jeremy B
my my I have news we're taking a short
break Bon I'll be back welcome back toon
for more on the situation in Israel I'm
joined now by the CEO and co-founder of
the daily wi Ben Shapiro's partner
Jeremy boring Jeremy thank you very much
indeed for joining me I'm sorry we
demoted you earlier to M MD you are the
CEO and co-founder uh you know Ben
Shapiro better than anyone really I did
a big interview with Ben obviously the
other night um which went around the
world um and has sparked a big reaction
including from uh Our Guest Bassam youf
who's still with us first of all you've
been listening to to Bassam and what
he's been saying what's your
response well first of all I make it a
point not to speak for Ben Shapiro he's
got a 20 IQ points on me and speaks for
a living professionally so he's much
better prepared to defend himself but as
his business partner as his best friend
I I do feel like I have to respond to
the things that bosam was just saying uh
first of all the question of how many
sons of [ __ ] have to be killed in
order to end this conflict I suppose
that the answer is as many of them as it
takes that doesn't mean that I or Ben or
any decent person in their right mind is
happy with the killing of civilians uh I
posted at the very beginning of this
conflict that a a woman or a child blown
apart in Gaza is just as tragic as a
Jewish baby killed in one of the
settlements that doesn't mean that
Israel's actions and the actions of
Hamas are morally equivalent you know
the tragedy is the tragedy but the moral
equivalency is nonsense if you if you
entered Israel with the express purpose
of targeting and murdering civilians
with your own hands and cold blood that
is not comparable to Israel bombing
Targets in the Gaza Strip and killing
civilians as a terrible tragic
consequence war war is terrible war is
an awful thing that's why decent people
don't lightly engage in War and why
Hamas should not have inited this war
you know we can talk about the history
of the Israeli conflict I'm not a
professional political commentator I'm a
I'm a CEO I'm a screenwriter uh and I'm
certainly not Ben Shapiro I'm not here
to discuss the history of the Israeli
Palestinian conflict but we all saw what
happened on October 7th and the idea
that Israel was not going to react
severely to that or that Israel should
not react severely to that is ludicrous
and the idea Beno should be a moderating
voice that bapiro should be what saying
no Israel should not respond in this
situation that's nonsense let me ask you
though Jeremy what I mean the question
which I think is the big question what
is a proportionate response to that
outrage on October the 7th which is the
worst attack on Jewish people since the
Holocaust what is proportionate if it's
true as reports are suggesting tonight
that there may have been a hospital hit
by an Israeli strike and up to 500
people or more have died that would seem
to me if that is verified and it's not verified
verified
you know we don't know exactly what has
happened other than there's been a hit
on this hospital but if that is verified
to have been an Israeli strike that will
strike many people as disproportionate
certainly well first of all I don't know
what a proportionate response is or why
we would want it I suppose a
proportionate response would be for
3,000 Israelis to go through the fence
gun down innocent Palestinian women and
children burn their bodies burn them
alive take hostages rape their women no
one wants a proportionate response no no
moral person could possibly call for a
proportionate response the purpose of
war is to defeat your enemy the West has
in my lifetime forgotten the purpose of
War because the true cost of war is so
terrible the last time the West engaged
in war and won it was World War II and
they did it through incredible brutality
they did it by bringing their enemies to
heal that is not a thing to that's not a
thing to rah rah about that's not a
thing to look forward to as I said all
decent people should avoid war but I
think the sort of lie of the postor war
to the post-war consensus lie is that
somehow War uh in which you kill a bunch
of people and don't secure Victory is
morally Superior to war where you do
secure Victory I would say that the only
way to morally justify a war is to win
it otherwise you're are the very
argument that brought you into the war
this enemy must be defeated ends up
being proven a lie I mean Afghanistan I
think America had every right to go into
Afghanistan uh the Taliban was harboring
Osama Bin Laden and al- Qaeda al- Qaeda
flew planes into build in the United
States killed thousands of our citizens
uh brought the nation into Untold Agony
pain and horror America had every right
morally to go in and destroy the Taliban
and Destroy al- Qaeda but I would argue
the Taliban now but the Taliban now
rules in Afghan the war was not won but
that's my point actually I've done a
column about this tonight uh for the sun
here in the UK which is I I was editor
of a newspaper when the Iraq War
happened I uh opposed it very
aggressively as the editor of the paper
um and sadly we were born out by events
it was a complete disaster the Iraq War
in my view it was illegally contested I
think um and the consequences were
appalling in terms of loss of life a
million people in terms of Isis being
allowed to breed and create their merry
hell around the world in terms of
complete dismantlement of of Iraq itself
as a as a functioning country uh and I
think Afghanistan again 20 years of you
know attacking an enemy which is now
running the country again seemed to me
again to be kind of pointless and I do
Wonder whether Israel in its Blind Fury
which I completely understand has
thought through the consequences of
actually launching a full air ground and
sea offensive into Gaza as to actually
what happens at the end of that well I
suppose Israel wasn't really given the
opportunity to fully contemplate what
the consequences of that action might be
because Israel didn't instigate this war
this war was instigated by a horrible
terrorist attack on Israel and a state
is put in a position where it has to
respond now one might argue that the
very fact that Israel has yet to
actually launch their ground Invasion
means that they are actually making a
calculation about what the cost will be
what victory looks like any rational
person any decent person can engage in a
conversation about what is the
appropriate response for Israel of
course they can but this sort of moral
equivalency thing I don't think is a
sign of decency to engage in a
conversation about moral equivalency let
me bring uh bassim back in you've been
listening to this bassim what's your
response to what Jeremy's been saying
I'm I'm sorry I didn't catch the
gentleman's name it's Jeremy boring he's
the chief executive of the daily wire
co-founder with Ben Shapiro of a DA wire
hi Jeremy please say hello to Ben
Shapiro and please tell him that I do
think he is the smartest person to ever
walk the earth thank you so much so as
response to Jeremy uh I I I I I agree
with everything you said I mean what is
disproportionate I mean that you he just
used the examples from second world war
and America showing that civilian
casualty is u i mean I I heard his voice
he was very sad and he as he was telling
us it is so inevitable to kill so many
civilians because it's something that we
cannot avoid I hear the sadness in his
voice and I know that it's a very
difficult decision to kill all of these
civilians because that's for a higher
cast and I understand but my question I
I have two questions the question is how
can you justify The Killing In The West
Bank where Hamas does not exist and if
that disproportionate it response during
the over all of these years have
actually worked what will be new this
time that did not happen before I just
want to that that that was my question
okay that was my question I'm so so so
now so now now if I ask the question can
I can I say something on my side a
little B with respect person bam with
respect I gave you half the show to have
your side Jeremy's had a lot less time
uh I'm going to have to you want to I'm
going to have to I'm going to have to
let you go because we've been on there
with you 40 minutes okay byee but listen
bye bye by I'd like to talk to you again
and thank you for joining the program I
appreciate it oh by by by the way my my
my wife's family is is all right and
they send us a house it's it's bombed
it's beautiful it's it's going to be a
good uh uh like Halloween theme so well
I'm very sorry for what your family are
going through in Gaza and I mean by the
way I don't know I I don't know my I
don't know him by the way I don't I
haven't actually met them they didn't
even come to my wedding they couldn't
because they are stuck in Gaza and she
never saw them because you know Gaza is
not a destination
we hear their voices and it's uh they
they die it's fine it's fine Bim I wish
your family all the very best thank you
for joining me I appreciate I I don't
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