0:02 Jesus said it's impossible that rel that
0:04 offenses don't come. So they are going
0:07 to happen. But he gave us instruction
0:09 about how to deal when an offense comes
0:12 between a brother or a sister in the
0:13 Lord. I'm going to deal with that today.
0:39 Welcome to another Caris Daily. I'm
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1:00 each one of us. It's like looking at
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1:36 need relationships with people, too. And
1:39 so, what I want to do today
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2:14 you. So, let me turn over to Matthew
2:18 chapter 18. And this is Jesus speaking.
2:20 And he's teaching on how to reconcile
2:23 and overcome problems that arise between
2:26 people. And so, he says in Matthew
2:29 chapter 18 and in verse 15, he says,
2:31 "Moreover, if thy brother shall trespass
2:33 against thee, go and tell him his fault
2:36 between thee and him alone. If he if he
2:38 shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy
2:40 brother. But if he will not hear thee,
2:43 then take with thee one or two more,
2:44 that in the mouth of two or three
2:46 witnesses, every word may be
2:48 established. And if he shall neglect to
2:50 hear them, tell it unto the church. But
2:52 if he neglect to hear the church, let
2:54 him be unto thee as a heathen man and a
2:57 publican. There's basically four steps
3:00 that you take, how to reconcile with a
3:02 brother. Now, this is talking about a
3:05 person who is a fellow believer in the
3:08 Lord. But these same principles will
3:10 work with people that are outside of the
3:12 body of Christ. Maybe not as well
3:14 because they don't have their heart
3:16 changed and they don't have God living
3:17 inside of them and the Holy Spirit
3:19 moving inside of them. But nonetheless,
3:22 these are principles that you can use
3:24 for anybody to try and reconcile when
3:27 you have problems between people. So the
3:31 first step is that you go to the person
3:34 who has done something to offend you and
3:37 you talk to him alone. That's the first
3:39 thing that you do. I tell you if there
3:41 there's four steps right here in just
3:44 these three verses. If we were to do the
3:46 first thing that Jesus talked about and
3:48 anytime somebody offends you, anytime
3:50 there's any kind of a conflict between
3:53 you and anybody else, if you went and
3:56 talked to them first before you talked
3:59 about them and what they have done to,
4:02 you know, one of your friends, if you
4:04 went directly to them, I believe in over
4:08 90% of the time that would reconcile and
4:11 solve the problem. Now, it's not 100%.
4:13 It goes on to say in Romans chapter 12,
4:15 "As much as lies within you, live
4:17 peaceibly with all men." That's implying
4:20 that you can't get along with everybody.
4:23 Jesus was the greatest manifestation
4:25 of love that the world has ever seen.
4:27 And yet, not everybody loved Jesus.
4:29 Jesus didn't get along with everybody.
4:31 23rd chapter of Matthew, he spent that
4:33 entire chapter calling the scribes and
4:38 Pharisees hypocrites. Why did you You're
4:40 procelites. you go around the world and
4:41 you make them twofold more the child of
4:44 hell than yourself. Jesus didn't get
4:48 along with everybody. It's a false um belief
4:49 belief
4:52 that if you just do everything right
4:54 that everybody's going to love you. And
4:56 if that's what you believe and if you
4:59 are just absolutely committed to being
5:02 best friends with everybody, then you
5:05 are going to be manipulated and
5:07 controlled by a fear of people and their
5:09 rejection and you'll never take a real
5:12 strong stand on anything. So you need to
5:14 first of all come to a reality that you
5:16 can't get along with everybody because
5:18 not everybody is willing to do it. But
5:20 you should make an attempt to do it. And
5:23 the first thing you do when someone
5:25 offends you is you go talk to them
5:29 directly. Did you know if you go talk to
5:31 someone, Christians especially are
5:33 really big about this. They will say,
5:35 you know, I'm not gossiping. I I I hate
5:38 to say anything, but this happened and I
5:40 want to know what you think. Am I wrong
5:43 in feeling this way? And you can make it
5:45 look good and you can whitewash it and
5:47 make it look like you're just trying to
5:49 get a proper perspective on things, but
5:52 you're violating what Jesus said. If
5:56 somebody offended you, you go talk to
5:58 them before you talk about them to
6:03 anybody else. This ought to be a a
6:05 standard rule that you just do not
6:08 violate. The only way I can see
6:10 violating it this is that you know I
6:12 have a ministry and we have like 1100
6:14 employees and there are times that an
6:18 employee does something wrong and a uh
6:21 uh manager has confronted them over it.
6:23 They've dealt with it but now they want
6:27 to come to me and talk about it to me so
6:29 that they can get my input on is this
6:31 something that we fire a person over? Do
6:34 we put them on probation or whatever.
6:36 Sometimes there may be a situation in a
6:38 work situation like that, but if you're
6:39 just talking about something that
6:42 happens between two people, I think that
6:46 you ought to always go talk directly to
6:48 that person before you talk about that
6:51 person to anybody else. If you did that,
6:53 it would accomplish a number of things.
6:55 For one thing, if you were wrong in your
6:57 assessment and then when you go confront
6:59 the person, it turned out that it wasn't
7:01 really what you thought and it wasn't a
7:03 big problem. Now, if you've already
7:04 talked about them to somebody else,
7:07 you've infected that other person with
7:10 your offense, and now you got to go back
7:13 and solve things with them. And 99% of
7:15 the time, they aren't going to keep it
7:16 to themsel, they're going to share it
7:19 with somebody else. Ba bad news spreads
7:22 really quickly. And if you have a wrong
7:23 opinion about something and if you
7:26 talked about it, it's going to infect a
7:29 lot of people and it just causes a lot
7:31 of pe lot of problems. You know, I
7:33 remember when I first started pastoring
7:35 little churches
7:37 that Jaime and I just shared everything.
7:40 I shared everything with her. I mean,
7:42 there was hardly a thought I had that I
7:43 didn't share with her. We were one and
7:46 we just shared everything. And people
7:48 started criticizing Jamie. They didn't
7:50 like the way she played the piano. They
7:51 didn't like the way she sang. They
7:53 didn't like the way she did this. And I
7:55 just was used to sharing everything. And
7:57 so I'd come home and tell her what
8:00 people had said about her. And it didn't
8:02 take very long for me to realize that
8:04 this was not blessing her. And she was
8:06 really being bothered by it. And the
8:09 Lord spoke to me. And I was praying and
8:10 I said, "God, what's wrong with Jamie?
8:12 How come these things are bothering
8:13 her?" And he said, "It's because you are
8:16 just like Satan's messenger boy. All
8:18 he's got to do is just make any
8:20 accusation." And boom, you take it right
8:22 to her. Says, "You need to cover her.
8:23 You need to protect her. You need to be
8:26 a defender for her." And so I quit
8:29 sharing the negative things, the things
8:32 that were wrong with Jamie. And you need
8:34 to recognize that you don't need to just
8:36 go to your best friend and your
8:38 acquaintances and share with them every
8:40 hurt and everything that you have
8:42 because you might be totally wrong. The
8:45 first thing you do is you go directly to
8:48 that person and you talk to them. And
8:50 did you know what I found out is that
8:53 many, many, many times, it's hard for me
8:55 to put a percentage on it, but many
8:58 times I take an offense where none is
9:00 intended. I've certainly had other
9:03 people do this with me. I've had people
9:04 come to me and tell me that, "Man, I've
9:07 hated you for years because you said or
9:10 did this and I didn't even mean anything
9:13 by what." Sometimes it was a joke. And I
9:15 have gotten trouble joking and and you
9:17 know kind of criticizing people as a
9:19 joke and stuff and some people take it
9:22 uh seriously. So anyway, if something
9:25 was done that offended you and if you
9:27 choose to go straight to that person,
9:29 you're liable to find out that they
9:32 didn't mean what they said or you misinterpreted
9:34 misinterpreted
9:36 something that they said. You read
9:39 between the lines. You know, one of the
9:41 things that the Lord spoke to me long
9:43 time ago, 40, 50 years ago, was one of
9:46 the qualifications of an elder is you
9:48 have to be sober. And that's not talking
9:51 about not drunk. It's talking about you
9:53 have to be serious. And as I studied
9:55 that word out, you go through two or
9:57 three, you know, lay layers of where the
10:00 original word came from. The word means
10:04 without speculative imagination. Now,
10:06 that really ministered to me because I
10:08 remember one time that I was there was a
10:10 I'd go to Kansas City and there was this
10:13 couple that always came to my meetings.
10:15 They would get there two hours early so
10:17 they could sit on the front row and I
10:19 mean they just loved me. We had a great
10:21 relationship and I would go to Kansas
10:24 City twice a year and they were always
10:26 there. And then one time I went there
10:28 and they weren't there and it was noticeable
10:30 noticeable
10:32 and I got to thinking and the previous
10:34 time I had been there I had given them a
10:37 prophecy that wasn't a generic prophecy
10:40 that you know it could be fulfilled in a
10:41 number of different ways. This was so
10:43 specific like in two weeks you're going
10:45 to see this happen or something. And I
10:48 gave a very specific prophecy. And when
10:50 I didn't see them sitting on the front
10:52 row, I immediately got to reading
10:55 between the lines speculating that uhoh,
10:57 I must not have been completely
10:59 accurate. What if something I said
11:01 didn't come to pass? I bet these people
11:03 have been going out and telling people
11:05 that I'm a false prophet. And I went
11:08 ahead and ministered that night and got
11:10 through the service. But that night, I
11:14 hardly slept because I was so offended
11:16 at these people being offended at me and
11:17 all of the things that they were
11:19 probably saying about me. And the next
11:21 day, I was just tormented with this. I
11:24 mean, for 24 hours, I was just bothered
11:27 by this. And the next night when we had
11:29 a meeting, there they were on the front
11:31 row. And I went up to say something to
11:33 them and they said, "We're so sorry we
11:34 didn't make it last night. There was a
11:36 death in the family and we had to go to
11:38 a funeral. we would have never missed
11:40 your meeting. And I found out that for
11:43 24 hours, I had let these people rent
11:46 space in my mind. I'd been focused on
11:49 things that weren't true. I was having a
11:52 speculative imagination.
11:55 And I just determined from that moment
11:57 on that, you know what? I'm not going to
12:00 speculate. If you don't like me, you're
12:01 going to have to come tell me. I'm not
12:03 going to read between the lines. I'm not
12:05 going to take your hints that you drop
12:07 along the way and if you turn a cold
12:09 shoulder to me, I'm going to look at you
12:10 and say, "What's wrong with you?" But
12:12 I'm not going to sit there and I am not
12:15 going to speculate.
12:19 And you can solve that misunderstanding
12:21 happens so much. You know, I heard one
12:23 woman come and she said, "The pastor
12:25 didn't even speak to me this morning.
12:27 says, "He always greets me." And we
12:29 walked right by each other in the hall
12:32 and he didn't even speak to me.
12:35 And I just said to her, I said, "Maybe
12:37 something happened. Maybe he had been on
12:39 a phone call, found out that somebody
12:42 died. Maybe there's some leader in the
12:43 church that, you know, did something
12:46 wrong. Is it possible that he was
12:48 focused on something other than you and
12:51 he didn't mean it bad at all? Maybe he
12:53 was just occupied?" and they said, "Oh,
12:56 well, you know, maybe that's true." But
12:58 see, people just take the fact that this
13:00 person nearly always speaks to you, but
13:01 they they could have been thinking of
13:03 something else. Somebody changes a lane
13:05 in front of you and you are absolutely
13:07 certain that they did it because they
13:09 just hate you and they don't care
13:11 anything about you and you are certain,
13:14 you look at things only from your point
13:16 of view and you're certain that they did
13:19 this out of just meanness and anger.
13:21 It's possible that they came from the
13:22 hospital and had just been told that
13:24 they had a month to live or maybe they
13:26 had just come from a funeral and their
13:29 mate of 50 years had died and they just
13:31 weren't thinking the way that they
13:33 should. But see, we take things and we
13:36 take an offense lots of times when there
13:39 is no in offense intended. How do you
13:41 deal with that? You go talk to the
13:44 person before you talk about them. And
13:47 if you misread the situation, they will
13:50 straighten it out. you've reconciled and
13:52 that would solve I believe probably 90%
13:56 of all problems right there and if the
13:58 person really did do something wrong but
14:00 they see how it affected you most of the
14:02 time we look at things only from our own
14:05 perspective and we don't think about how
14:06 that we are saying something that's
14:09 insensitive to another person and when
14:11 we are confronted with it we just I
14:14 apologize you know one time I pulled a
14:17 joke on Jill Leblanc who's a super good
14:18 friend of mine we've been friends for
14:20 nearly 50 years. They travel with me and
14:23 minister and I pulled a joke that I
14:26 thought was really funny. She didn't
14:28 think it was funny. And that night in
14:30 the service, she got up and led praise
14:31 and worship. Then I got up to receive
14:33 the offering and I made some reference
14:35 to that thinking it was just really
14:38 funny. She walked off the stage and they
14:41 didn't stay to do the worship music, you
14:44 know, during the offering. And so I knew
14:45 something was wrong. And as soon as it
14:48 was over, I went to her and I said, "I'm
14:49 sorry, Jill." I said, "What happened?"
14:51 And she told me how offended she was.
14:54 And even though I didn't intend it, it
14:56 was a joke. I thought it was funny. I
14:58 didn't intend it. It didn't matter
14:59 whether I think it's funny or not. If
15:01 the person you're pulling the joke on
15:03 doesn't think it's funny, then it was
15:06 out of u it was out of taste. It wasn't
15:08 tasteful. It wasn't the right thing to
15:10 do. And I literally got down on my knees
15:12 and apologized. And I said, "I am sorry.
15:15 I never want to make fun of you. And so
15:18 I offended a person that was a good
15:20 friend of mine without even realizing I
15:22 had offended them. But when I it
15:23 happened instead of me becoming
15:25 defensive and say, "Well, you shouldn't
15:27 have been upset and stuff." Man, it
15:31 doesn't matter um you know what my
15:33 intentions were. If it was received
15:36 wrong, you just repent of that. And if
15:37 you were to do that and just go talk to
15:40 this person, that would solve 90% or
15:44 more of all problems. If you go talk to
15:46 the person
15:47 and they don't repent and they say, "No,
15:49 I don't like you anymore and I intended
15:52 to offend you and I intended to, you
15:54 know, slander your character or
15:56 whatever." Well, if you can't reconcile
15:58 with them, it says take one or two more
16:00 with you. This isn't saying that you go
16:02 get two of your friends, tell them your
16:04 side of the story, and get them as
16:07 prejudiced as you are in this situation,
16:10 and then the three of you go and
16:12 confront this person. That's not what
16:13 that's talking about. This is talking
16:15 about arbitration.
16:17 In other words, maybe you're only
16:19 looking at things from your side of the
16:21 situation. The other person's only
16:22 looking at their side. You aren't
16:24 listening to each other. You're just,
16:26 you know, the scripture says Proverbs
16:29 13:10, only by pride comes contention.
16:30 And that's not just talking about
16:32 arrogance. That's just talking about
16:33 you're looking at things only from your
16:36 own perspective. And so when you take
16:38 two or three more with you, that's not
16:40 to get them to gang up on this person.
16:43 This is to have people who haven't been
16:46 prejudiced. You haven't told them you're
16:48 just your side of the story. They are
16:50 coming in with fresh eyes. They're
16:52 looking at it without any prejudice in
16:55 them. they haven't been pre-programmed
16:57 to reject this person and they're coming
16:59 in and listening to both sides of the
17:02 story to arbitrate. Did you know in a in
17:04 a business you have an arbitration come
17:06 in, the arbitrator comes in and looks at
17:08 both sides and then makes a judgment
17:10 that is agreeable or a compromise that's
17:12 agreeable to both sides. That's what
17:14 this is talking about. that if you go to
17:17 that person and if they are truly upset
17:20 and they don't want to reconcile then
17:22 you bring one or two more so that you
17:25 can see through them which side is
17:27 correct. Maybe you are looking at things
17:30 completely wrong. You know I arbitrated
17:34 one time between two pastors that had
17:37 really been at each other's throat and
17:39 uh anyway it's a long story. I hadn't
17:40 got time to go into the whole thing, but
17:42 I sat and listened to both sides of the
17:44 story. And then I sat down and told him,
17:46 I said, "Both of you are wrong." And I
17:48 said, "Maybe this person said something,
17:50 but the way you responded to it was
17:52 totally wrong." And the way you attacked
17:54 them and then the way that because they
17:56 were attacked, they attacked you and and
17:58 it just mushroomed. I've actually had
18:01 counseling session with par with couples
18:04 before that they are arguing over
18:05 something and I say, "This is not that
18:08 big of a deal. Why is this such a
18:10 problem in your marriage? And then they
18:13 go back 12 years ago this person did
18:16 this and it really isn't that individual
18:18 instance. It's the fact that 12 years
18:21 ago something happened and they never re
18:23 reconciled and it's just been piling on
18:25 and eventually it becomes this little
18:27 tiny thing that's a straw that breaks
18:30 the camel's back. So anyway, you need
18:32 sometimes arbitration. you need other
18:35 people to come in with a fresh approach
18:37 to the thing and they might be able to
18:40 help. If that doesn't work, then it says
18:42 that you bring these one or two others
18:44 so that every word may be established.
18:47 This is referring back to uh Deuteronomy
18:49 chapter 30.
18:50 I'm not sure on that. It could be
18:52 Deuteronomy chapter 19, but anyway, in
18:55 Deuteronomy, it says that you can't
18:57 accuse one person with only one
19:00 accusation against him. It says
19:01 everything has to be established in the
19:05 mouth of two or three witnesses. Nobody
19:08 could ever be prosecuted or have a
19:09 judgment come against them because just
19:11 one person because that one person could
19:13 lie and railroad them. It's a lot harder
19:16 to get two or three people to get their
19:18 story straight. And so that's what this
19:19 is referring to. So one of the things
19:22 that's accomplished, not only do you
19:24 have arbitration when you bring one or
19:25 two other, but then if you have to bring
19:27 it to the next level and bring it before
19:30 the church, well then you fulfilled that
19:32 requirement in the book of Deuteronomy
19:34 and you have more than one person who
19:37 can verify all of the things, all of the
19:39 accusations that are being made against
19:42 this person. So, let me just say that
19:43 these first two things that the
19:47 scripture here talks about doing
19:50 are things that each one of us can do in
19:52 any situation that you're dealing with.
19:54 You can go directly to the person. If
19:55 that doesn't reconcile, you can bring
19:57 one or two more for arbitration and we
20:00 can do that all of the time.
20:03 These other two things that are listed
20:07 here in uh verse 17 are really things
20:10 that aren't available to us today.
20:12 And I know that that's going to shock
20:14 some people. What are you saying? Well,
20:17 what I'm saying is if if you didn't if
20:19 they didn't respond to the first two
20:21 levels of trying to reconcile and you
20:24 bring it to the church, did you know
20:26 that there's not one out of a thousand
20:28 churches today that would take the
20:32 responsibility for reconciling between
20:34 members of that church who are at each
20:37 other's throat? Now, if they would,
20:39 well, then yes, you could do it. But
20:41 most churches, to most churches, it's
20:43 just a place you go and you sit for an
20:45 hour a week and you hear some teaching
20:47 and then you may have some things you
20:49 do, a life group or something like that,
20:51 but they they don't really function the
20:54 way that God commanded the church to
20:56 function. Our church today has has it's
20:59 just a shadow of what it's supposed to
21:01 be. Not all churches, but the vast
21:03 majority of them. And so since churches
21:06 will not accept this responsibility,
21:08 then you don't have this third level of
21:10 how to deal with conflict available to
21:12 us. If you were to go to the average
21:15 church and ask them to uh, you know,
21:17 here's the situation. Could you help us
21:20 reconcile and solve this situation?
21:22 Let's say that it's a dispute between
21:24 neighbors and your fence is over on
21:26 their property, so they say, and you've
21:28 already talked to them individually and
21:29 they are not going to change. you've
21:31 taken one or two more and you haven't
21:33 reconciled. If you were to bring that to
21:35 the church, the church would say, "Who
21:37 made me a, you know, a judge among you?
21:39 I don't care. You go figure this out.
21:41 Take them to court." That's what the
21:43 average church would do. Go sue them. Go
21:45 to the city council or do something.
21:47 Churches don't accept this
21:49 responsibility. And since they don't,
21:51 you can't really take advantage of that.
21:54 But let's say that a church did accept
21:56 this and a church got involved, found
21:57 out the facts, and they made a judgment
21:59 and they said, "All right, here's the
22:01 right thing to do." And if one of those
22:03 people was to say, "Well, I'm not going
22:06 to accept your judgment." Did you know
22:09 the church in Jesus day in the New
22:11 Testament days, there was only one
22:14 church in one town.
22:16 There might have been 50 different
22:18 locations meeting in homes, but it was
22:21 one body of believers with one eldership
22:23 that ruled it. And if the church was to
22:25 make a decision and if that person
22:27 didn't hold to it, well then that would
22:29 be a serious serious thing. It would
22:32 exclude them from that church. But
22:34 today, the church is so splintered and
22:35 divided. We have hundreds and hundreds
22:37 of churches in one town that if the
22:40 church did accept this, if they made a
22:41 judgment, and if the person says, "I
22:42 don't care what you say. I'm going to
22:44 quit this church. I'll go to the church
22:46 across the street and they could
22:49 continue to fellowship with them. That
22:51 would just kind of undo all of this
22:54 thing. And then it says that if they
22:56 don't accept what the judgment of the
22:58 church is, let him be unto thee as a
23:00 heathen man and a publican. And boy, I
23:02 do not have time to get into this on
23:05 today's message. The next time I'm going
23:07 to turn over to 1 Corinthians chapter 5
23:10 and talk about what it means to turn a
23:11 person over to Satan for the destruction
23:13 of the flesh. That's what this is
23:15 talking about. It's treating him as a
23:18 heathen man. Now, I hadn't got time to
23:20 explain this and so please don't just
23:22 reject everything because you
23:25 misinterpret what I'm saying, but this
23:28 is an effective means of church
23:31 judgment. When you exclude a person from
23:33 your fellowship, when you turn a person
23:34 over to Satan, it doesn't mean that
23:36 you're damning them to hell. That's the
23:39 Catholic Church is the only church body
23:43 really that has a doctrine of excluding
23:46 people. They call it excommunication.
23:48 And uh often what they mean is since
23:51 they since the Catholic Church believes
23:54 that you cannot be saved without being a
23:56 member of the church, the Catholic
23:59 Church. Well, then to exclude you from
24:01 the Ca Catholic Church means that you
24:03 are damned to hell, that you have lost
24:05 your salvation. That's not what turning
24:07 a person over to Satan is. That's not
24:09 what treating him as a heathen man
24:11 that's described right here. That's not
24:14 the same thing. So when I mention this,
24:15 there's a lot of people that just
24:18 automatically transpose this wrong
24:20 doctrine from the church uh from the
24:22 Catholic Church into what I'm talking
24:25 about. You need to uh wait and get the
24:27 next teaching that I do on this so that
24:30 you can get it from scripture and not
24:32 pigeon hole me and just put me into that
24:35 box. But nonetheless, regardless of
24:37 whether people misunderstand this or
24:39 not, if you bring the situation, if
24:41 you've gone through the first three
24:44 steps and the church has made a judgment
24:46 and this person is wrong and you need to
24:48 repent and you need to correct yourself
24:51 in this, if the church makes that
24:52 judgment, which again very few churches
24:54 will do this, so it's not usually an
24:56 option. But if the church made that
24:59 option and the person will not submit to
25:01 it, then you were supposed to treat him
25:04 as a heathen and a publican. A publican
25:06 was a tax collector who had defected
25:08 from the Jews and was actually an
25:10 employee of the Roman government and he
25:12 collected taxes for the Roman government
25:15 and he would often cheat the Jews in the
25:17 process and take the extra and keep it
25:19 for himself. And so publicans were
25:21 hated. So this doesn't mean that you
25:24 just you refuse to talk to this person.
25:26 You talk to people who aren't
25:28 Christians, you aren't supposed to treat
25:30 them bad, but you don't treat them the
25:32 same as you do a brother or a sister in
25:34 the Lord. You don't extend the same
25:37 love, the same acceptance towards them.
25:38 And in the next time, I'll get into more
25:41 detail on this. You know, let me say
25:43 that there is a group in Colorado
25:45 Springs that because the church doesn't
25:48 accept responsibility for reconciling
25:51 church members and uh they don't execute
25:53 this church judgment. There's a group of
25:55 lawyers in Colorado Springs that have
25:57 formed a group. I don't even know what
25:59 they call themselves. I've never talked
26:01 to them, but I've heard somebody tell me
26:03 that when I was teaching on this. And
26:06 they will arbitrate. They will take uh
26:08 problems between Christians. You know,
26:10 it says over here in the next over in 1
26:13 Corinthians chapter 6 that you aren't
26:15 supposed to go to law against a brother
26:18 or a sister in the Lord. And so based on
26:21 that, they will take cases and people
26:23 that have had problems, they will come
26:25 and they make them sign a piece of paper
26:26 that we are going to listen to both
26:28 sides. We are going to follow the law
26:30 and then we are going to place a
26:32 judgment and you are bound by the
26:34 judgment that we have. And so it's a
26:37 step to kind of compensate for the
26:39 church not doing what God told them to
26:40 do right here. There are a group of
26:43 Christian lawyers that have assumed this
26:46 responsibility and you can go to them.
26:49 Now that ought to be the church doing
26:51 this. But nonetheless, very few churches
26:53 will do it. And even if the church did
26:55 execute the judgment because of the
26:57 splinter in the church and there's so
26:58 many different denominations that don't
27:00 have anything to do with each other, all
27:02 they'd have to do is go across the
27:03 street to another church and they could
27:06 receive all of the benefits of being a
27:08 member of that church. Uh even if you
27:10 executed the judgment on them. So it's
27:13 somewhat limited because of the uh
27:15 impotency of the church today. But
27:17 nonetheless, these are things about how
27:20 you reconcile and how you get along with
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