0:01 Hey everyone, this is Nick and I think
0:04 it's time we took another look at a
0:06 desktop environment tier list because
0:09 the last one I did was in 2023 and
0:12 things have moved quite a lot since
0:14 then. Not only in the Wayland support
0:16 department because a lot of those
0:18 desktops now have at least an
0:20 experimental session for Wayland, but
0:22 also in terms of features and the
0:24 general direction these desktops are
0:26 going. So, as always, it's not your
0:29 usual tier maker tier list. I'll try to
0:30 showcase the desktop environments while
0:33 I'm talking about them. And also, I'm
0:35 not talking about tiling window managers
0:37 here because they are not full desktop
0:39 environments with their app selection.
0:41 So, they don't offer the complete
0:44 experience that I'm looking for when I'm
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2:31 desktop environment I have used for a
2:33 long while, but I don't currently use
2:36 and that's Gnome. Gnome is an excellent
2:38 desktop environment. It offers a
2:40 complete suite of applications. They're
2:42 actually plugging the various gaps like
2:44 a basic audio player which they didn't
2:46 really have before and they have a
2:49 really strong application ecosystem
2:51 thanks to their unified development
2:54 library called Libert Vita. A lot of
2:56 apps have emerged for Gnome. It's
2:59 actually the most vibrant app ecosystem
3:01 out there for Linux desktops.
3:03 Application developers tend to default
3:06 to building a Gnome app first and that's
3:08 kind of important because it means most
3:09 of the apps you'll be running on your
3:12 desktop will look coherent and have the
3:14 same design language. Gnome is also
3:17 making big progress on adding support
3:19 for more advanced things that generally
3:22 just KD has. uh things like HDR support,
3:25 variable refresh rate, support for VR
3:27 headsets and gamings, triple buffering,
3:29 all of that stuff has been coming to
3:32 Gnome recently and it makes the desktop
3:34 a much stronger contender for most use
3:37 cases. Gnome also works really well on
3:39 touchscreens and tablets, which is cool.
3:42 They're also focusing on having adaptive
3:44 applications and desktops, meaning it
3:47 can run properly on smaller form factor
3:49 devices, even though that's not
3:51 important for a lot of people. And
3:53 they've also added a bunch more
3:55 features, stuff that they generally
3:57 don't tend to add options in the
4:00 settings. It's still not KDE. It's still
4:03 not even cinnamon or mate, but they are
4:05 willing to add more and more options
4:07 when they feel they are relevant. And
4:09 that's important because for a while,
4:11 Gnome was the desktop that refused to
4:13 let you configure anything. And it seems
4:16 like they've changed their opinion on
4:19 this exact topic. Where Gnome is a
4:21 little bit problematic for me is that
4:24 they still lack a few specific options
4:27 that most desktop users want. You still
4:29 don't have a system tray by default.
4:31 They have their background apps
4:33 implementation, but it's just not the
4:35 same. It doesn't have the same feature
4:37 set. They're planning to add context
4:39 menus to these background apps, but just
4:41 having that little icon in your system
4:43 tray sometimes is what you're really
4:45 looking for without having to click on a
4:47 specific menu. You can add that through
4:49 extensions, but the fact of the matter
4:52 is extensions tend to break with every
4:54 new Gnome version. Same goes for a dock.
4:56 Having to go into the activities view is
4:58 not a problem if you're a keyboard user,
5:00 but if you're a mouse user, it's kind of
5:02 annoying to flick your mouse to the
5:04 upper left corner and then down to the
5:07 dock. It's not the most practical way of
5:09 doing things if you don't just use the
5:11 super key and type things on your
5:13 keyboard. All of these gaps are filled
5:15 with extensions, but like we said,
5:17 extensions tend to break sometimes and
5:20 compatibility is not assured. So, this
5:22 is a little problem for me on Gnome,
5:25 which is why I can't put it at the top
5:28 tier. I'll put it at good. The next one
5:30 is Cinnamon. Cinnamon is the default
5:33 desktop environment for Linux Mint, but
5:35 it's also available on various other
5:37 distributions that ship it as an option,
5:40 a spin, a variant, a flavor, no matter
5:42 how you want to call that. Cinnamon is
5:46 basically KDE but written with Gnome
5:48 Technologies underneath with GTK. It has
5:52 a lot more options than Gnome has. It
5:54 doesn't have as many as KD, but it does
5:56 have a lot. And previously I felt
5:59 Cinnamon was a really good middleof the
6:01 road desktop but I felt it was sort of
6:04 held back by the fact it really remained
6:06 focused on X11 and they had not started
6:09 work on Wayland at all which was a
6:12 problem because if we're being realistic
6:15 X11 is dead it is unmaintained. No one
6:18 is contributing any code to it apart
6:21 from X Wayand. So Wayland is the only
6:23 way forward and not having started work
6:25 on that in 2023 was a problem.
6:28 Fortunately, Cinnamon has fixed that.
6:30 They have an experimental Whan session.
6:32 They have improved upon it in the latest
6:34 Cinnamon version and they didn't stop
6:36 improving the desktop itself. You have
6:38 better default themes when you're not on
6:40 Linux Mint. You have better default
6:42 apps. You get features. to get more
6:44 reliability on all their software stack
6:46 because they're really the only ones
6:49 investing in Debian package tooling at
6:51 least graphically which is very
6:54 important because Linux Mint is mostly a
6:57 Debian based DRO and Cinnamon is mostly
7:00 made for Linux Mint. It is a very very
7:03 strong desktop and even though the Whan
7:04 session isn't fully complete and
7:07 perfect, I think it really warrants its
7:11 place in the top tier. Next is XFCE.
7:15 XFCE is a longstanding desktop and it
7:17 does tend to appeal more to people who
7:20 started using Linux maybe back when I
7:23 started in 2006. It has a very old
7:25 school interface. It doesn't try to
7:27 revolutionize the desktop. It doesn't
7:29 try to cram every single option you
7:32 could have. It offers a robust set of
7:34 default applications even though they
7:36 are sometimes mixed and matched. Some
7:38 some have menu bars, some don't. Some
7:39 have client side decorations, some
7:42 don't. You have some little problems
7:45 here and there, but generally it is a
7:47 unified platform that works well. The
7:50 problem with XFC is that it's a smaller
7:53 project. They just do not have as many
7:56 developers as Gnome, KD or maybe even
7:59 Cinnamon. That being said, they do have
8:01 most of the basics there. They do have a
8:04 lot of options to really tweak the thing
8:06 to your liking. And they also have an
8:08 experimental whan session now something
8:11 they really hadn't started at all on
8:13 back in 2023 in my previous tier list.
8:16 Now they have that it is not usable
8:18 right now but it is something that
8:20 they've implemented meaning this desktop
8:23 will survive the next five 6 7 years
8:26 they are future proofing themselves and
8:27 that's really important. Now,
8:30 personally, I do feel like all the
8:32 applets and the way you configure the
8:34 desktop and the general look is not
8:37 super appealing. It feels like you're
8:39 stepping back in time to the Windows XP
8:42 era, and I don't have much nostalgia for
8:44 this, but it does tend to use fewer
8:47 resources. It does tend to perform
8:49 pretty well on lower-end computers, so
8:51 it does have a place. I'll put it on
8:53 average because personally, it's not
8:55 something I would see myself using. I
8:58 find it relatively frustrating and
9:00 beauty and aesthetics are important to
9:02 me when I use a desktop, but XFC is
9:06 definitely not a bad choice. Next is LX
9:10 Cute. I call it KD light edition because
9:12 it is based on a lot of KD technologies.
9:14 It does reuse the KD frameworks, a lot
9:17 of the KD components. It's based on cute
9:19 just like KDE, but it is a more
9:22 lightweight desktop. They don't offer as
9:24 much as KD offers, but they do have a
9:28 solid foundation. Now, in use, I don't
9:30 find it particularly pleasing because it
9:33 does give me the same vibes as XFC. It
9:36 does look a bit older. It is a bit more
9:39 convoluted. You have a lot of older
9:41 interface paradigms like little applets
9:43 everywhere that have right-click menus
9:45 that don't look the same with each
9:49 other. and it is not necessarily my cup
9:52 of tea, but they are not a bad option.
9:54 In my testing, I found it to use
9:56 relatively fewer system resources than
9:58 most other desktops out there, which is
10:00 interesting if you have a low power
10:03 computer or not a lot of RAM. And also,
10:05 they are future proofing themselves as
10:07 well. They do have that experimental way
10:10 session right now, which even can work
10:11 with various different window managers
10:14 if you don't want to use what LX offers
10:17 by default. Now, I do find that this
10:20 desktop lacks a strong cohesive vision.
10:23 It feels like they built a shell and
10:25 then they just stacked various apps on
10:27 top of it which aren't specifically
10:30 designed by the LX cute team. They use a
10:32 file manager that is just an alternative
10:34 that you could use on KDE. They use a
10:37 cute terminal. They use various tools
10:39 here and there that aren't built with
10:41 the same vision, the same visual design
10:43 language. you can theme them, but you
10:45 feel like all the options aren't
10:47 necessarily in the same place, and I'm
10:49 not the biggest fan of that. So, here
10:53 again, LXQ will go into average for me.
10:55 It is not bad. It is lightweight. It has
10:58 its use cases, but it's just not for me.
11:01 The next one will be deep in. And deep
11:04 in, not the DRO, the desktop environment
11:07 is not something I personally enjoy. It
11:09 does look really good on screenshots and
11:11 it is a desktop that does receive a fair
11:14 amount of development time. They have a
11:16 really nice visual style with
11:18 applications looking the part and
11:21 feeling like a coherent hole. The
11:23 problem is these applications are still
11:25 extremely limited. Even if you compare
11:28 them to their Gnome counterparts, they
11:30 just don't have the same breadth of
11:33 options and configurations and features.
11:35 All of these applications still feel
11:38 like they're proof of concepts and not
11:41 real fullfeatured ones. And if you try
11:43 to replace them with anything else that
11:45 doesn't come from deepin all of a sudden
11:47 the visual style completely breaks
11:50 apart, nothing you add will look at home
11:52 on deepen and so your desktop will turn
11:54 into a mish mash of disjointed parts
11:58 that I just do not like using. Also,
12:00 Deepen as a whole seems to be more
12:03 focused into building an entire platform
12:05 as a distro than building a really
12:07 strong desktop. So, while they do add a
12:09 bunch of features onto the deepend
12:11 desktop, they're already sort of linking
12:14 back to the deep end distro with support
12:16 for their Lini apps, which kind of seem
12:19 to be a flatback fork and serving the
12:21 same purpose. They're adding all those
12:23 AI assistants everywhere that you still
12:26 need to add your own AI provider in for
12:27 them to work. Meaning they're completely
12:29 useless if you don't already have a
12:33 subscription to any form of AI provider.
12:35 It's just not a desktop I enjoy using at
12:37 all. And honestly, when you look at all
12:39 the other choices you have, I don't
12:42 really see a strong proposition, a
12:45 strong reason to use deepen over a
12:48 configured and beautified KDE or Gnome,
12:50 for example. So, for me, it goes at the
12:52 bottom tier because there is just no way
12:55 I would use deepen over anything else
12:57 that we have. The next one we'll look at
13:00 is KDE. It's Plasma. It's the one I use
13:02 as my daily driver. I've been using it
13:05 for a few years now, and for me, it is
13:08 the top tier desktop right now. The KD
13:10 team released Plasma 6 at the beginning
13:13 of 2024 with a few teething problems,
13:15 but it wasn't there yet back when I made
13:18 my previous iteration of this ranking
13:22 video. Plasma 6 is excellent. It is now
13:24 really stabilized. I do not encounter
13:27 any crashes. I really don't have bugs in
13:30 day-to-day use when I use KDE. And I use
13:33 it with an Nvidia GPU. And I do use the
13:36 latest version as well on a Debianbased
13:40 DRO. It's tuxedo OS. KDI is the most
13:42 complete proposition you could get on
13:44 Linux right now. It can be daunting
13:46 because when you open the settings, you
13:49 see that there are a lot of options
13:52 everywhere. You can configure very basic
13:54 things like just the color of your
13:57 windows or the icon theme all the way up
13:59 to window rules which let you completely
14:01 change how your window manager handles
14:04 certain windows. It is also a very
14:06 extensible desktop. You can completely
14:08 change the layout, completely change the
14:10 panels, the widgets. You can add a ton
14:12 of different things on top of it. You
14:14 even have complete scripts that give you
14:16 a full tiling window manager on top of
14:18 their default window manager if you
14:21 want. It is a very, very complete
14:23 desktop. And all their default apps are
14:26 also super powerful. Although the KD
14:28 team did a really good job in hiding
14:31 some of that complexity away, the
14:33 default look for these apps is really
14:35 simple. you really know how to use them
14:37 instantly. But if you do need more
14:39 options and you do need to change the
14:41 layout of these apps, all the power is
14:44 at your fingertips. Previously, I found
14:47 KD way too convoluted, too complex, and
14:49 it overwhelmed me with options and
14:51 settings and features. But I think with
14:54 Plasma 6 and the following releases,
14:56 they really hit a strong point where it
14:59 is really simple by default and it does
15:01 have all the power underneath. And for
15:04 me, it makes it the best desktop out
15:06 there for Linux. So, they're kind of the
15:08 forefront of the Linux desktop these
15:09 days. I really like what they're doing.
15:11 I plan to keep using them for a long
15:14 while. For me, they're top tier. Now,
15:17 let's move on to Cosmic. I know this one
15:19 isn't released yet. It isn't even in
15:20 beta at the time I'm recording this.
15:23 It's still at alpha 7, I think, but it
15:25 is shaping up really nicely, and we do
15:27 need to include it. The only reason I
15:30 delayed this video in 2024 was because I
15:32 was expecting Cosmic to release around
15:34 July, but it never really materialized.
15:35 So, here we go. We're going to talk
15:38 about Cosmic Alpha, and Cosmic is
15:41 looking really, really good. Now, it is
15:45 not as complete as KDE or even Komi.
15:47 Doesn't have the same breadth of default
15:50 applications made specifically for that
15:52 desktop, but the desktop experience
15:54 itself shows a really strong vision.
15:57 They want you to have this specific
16:00 layout working, but you can tweak it in
16:02 the important ways. It doesn't give you
16:05 complete freedom to rejig the entire
16:07 desktop like KD does, but it does give
16:09 you a lot of options to make sure that
16:11 this layout works for your needs
16:13 specifically. They also have their
16:15 default autotiling feature, which is
16:17 still absolutely stellar. You can move
16:20 from floating windows to fully tiled
16:22 windows with window groups at the press
16:24 of a button or with a little applet up
16:26 top. It is fantastic. They're starting
16:28 to add all the options that people
16:30 expect, but they're still more on the
16:33 Gnome level of settings than uh closer
16:36 to Cinnamon or KDE. It is also very
16:39 importantly a fully futureproof desktop
16:41 because it's been built specifically for
16:44 the modern Linux stack. It's only based
16:47 on Whan. They don't have any older X11
16:50 legacy code hanging around that they
16:52 have to carry like the older desktops
16:54 like Gnome and KDE. They are just
16:56 building things from scratch
16:59 specifically for Wayland, meaning they
17:01 can have a clean slate and make sure to
17:03 implement things that really performs in
17:05 the best way. Now, in my testing, it
17:08 does tend to perform the same as KD and
17:10 Gnome, but it is an alpha, so things
17:12 could improve and it could turn into a
17:14 more lightweight desktop. It is not
17:16 finished. I cannot really give it a
17:19 perfect rating yet, but I can already
17:21 place it in good. And I could honestly
17:24 see myself using it as a daily driver in
17:26 its current form if it was a bit more
17:28 stable and polished in some places,
17:30 which it will likely be when the stable
17:32 version releases, probably before the
17:35 end of the year. Next is Budgie. And
17:38 Budia can't really give a really high
17:40 rating to that desktop because they're
17:43 still kind of stuck in redesign limbo.
17:45 They still have a competent enough
17:47 desktop. Budgy in its current iteration
17:50 isn't bad. It is Gnome based. It uses a
17:52 lot of Gnome technologies and some Gnome
17:54 applications including some of their
17:57 settings. But it is still a middleof the
18:00 road kind of tacked on customization
18:02 onto Gnome. And they want to move away
18:05 from that. They looked at enlightenment
18:07 libraries, but they sort of decided it
18:09 wasn't working for them because their
18:10 weight and support wasn't advanced
18:12 enough. So, they are apparently looking
18:14 at what Cosmic is proposing if I
18:16 remember correctly. But I haven't seen a
18:18 lot of progress on that. The team hasn't
18:20 really shared many progress reports on
18:23 all of that. And that's kind of annoying
18:25 because right now if you use budgie, you
18:28 use something that is kind of in
18:31 maintenance mode. You know that the end
18:33 product that you might get in two or
18:35 three years will not look like that at
18:37 all. So you're not using the current
18:39 vision for the budget team. You're using
18:42 the older version in itself. It works.
18:45 It is not super coherent. It is, in my
18:47 opinion, not as polished as something
18:49 like Gnome or K. So, for me, I'm going
18:52 to put it in no thanks. It's not the
18:53 worst tier, but it's not something I
18:56 could see myself using dayto-day. Next
19:00 is Mate, and I absolutely love Mate. I
19:02 started using Linux in 2006 with Ubuntu
19:06 6.06. It came with Gnome 2. And Gnome 2
19:10 is Mate. Mate is exactly Gnome 2 with a
19:11 few touches here and there to make it
19:14 run normally on modern computers. The
19:17 thing is desktops and how you use a
19:20 computer, it has progressed quite a lot
19:23 since the introduction of Gnome 2 and I
19:25 myself as a computer user have moved on
19:28 from this older paradigm. I use my
19:30 keyboard a lot more than I used to back
19:32 when I used Gnome 2. Mate is not really
19:34 adapted to that. They don't really have
19:37 a strong unified launcher that lets you
19:39 open files or apps or web pages or
19:41 whatever else. They don't really have a
19:43 keyboard ccentric thing. Their
19:45 customization options are there, but
19:46 they're really old and not super
19:49 intuitive. Everything looks really
19:51 dated. And I think the main problem
19:53 isn't that because some people just
19:54 don't care about this. They want
19:56 something that works and mate works. The
19:59 problem is Mate doesn't have enough
20:01 developers and they just don't follow
20:04 the current Linux desktop fast enough.
20:06 They are really not capable of keeping
20:09 up with Gnome and KDE. They don't have
20:12 the HDR stuff, the VRR stuff, the the uh
20:15 VR stuff at all. They don't have whalon
20:18 support currently. They just don't offer
20:20 a strong proposition. And currently, you
20:24 could just use current Gnome Gnome 48
20:26 with extensions and replicate this
20:28 entire layout if you preferred, but with
20:31 all the nicities of current modern
20:33 Gnome, which in my opinion is a better
20:35 proposition than Mate. So, Mate is going
20:38 to go in the no thanks category. It's
20:40 not trash. It's not bad. I just don't
20:42 see myself using it over Gnome, for
20:45 example. Now, we come to Pantheon.
20:47 Pantheon is the desktop environment used
20:50 by Elementary OS. It is the DRO I used
20:53 when I started this channel, and I have
20:56 a lot of nostalgia and love for it. But
20:59 Pantheon as a desktop environment also
21:02 does not keep up with the likes of Gnome
21:04 and KD. They have a way smaller
21:06 development team and they just cannot
21:08 catch up. Their look and feel is
21:10 starting to be pretty dated. I used to
21:13 really enjoy this Tango icon style sort
21:16 of cartoonish with this very simple
21:18 visual style that keeps a few gradients
21:21 here and there sort of web 2.0. But
21:23 today it just doesn't look the part when
21:26 you compare it to modern GNO, modern KD
21:28 or even something like Cinnamon. You
21:30 can't really theme it all that well
21:33 because Pantheon apps use a specific
21:35 library called Granite on top of GTK,
21:37 meaning that the theme has to be
21:40 specifically adapted for Pantheon
21:42 itself, for elementary OS itself. And
21:45 there aren't a lot of themes that do
21:47 that. So, visually, it starts on a lower
21:50 level for me than Gnome or KDE or even
21:53 something like XFCE, which is a problem.
21:55 But then you also have the feature set.
21:58 And while Elemen OS does offer a very
22:00 polished, really nicel lookinging
22:02 experience, it does suffer from the same
22:06 problem as Deepen, its apps just lack
22:09 features. You just don't have enough in
22:10 every single of these apps. And that's
22:12 because the developers develop the
22:14 entire desktop environment, but also the
22:16 DRO. And there just aren't enough
22:19 developers to do all of that. Well, the
22:21 desktop isn't bad. And if you don't have
22:23 really advanced needs in terms of your
22:25 applications, the options, and how you
22:28 want your desktop to work specifically,
22:30 then Pantheon is not a bad choice at
22:33 all. So, I'll put it in average. It just
22:36 doesn't fit my needs anymore. I think
22:37 it's better than mate. I think it's
22:40 better than deepen, but it's just not
22:42 something I could see myself going back
22:44 to unless they made significant strides
22:47 in the feature set department. I'm also
22:50 going to include Unity here. Unity is
22:53 what Ubuntu developed back in the day
22:55 when they started. I think it was with
22:58 Ubuntu 13.04 or 13.10. They moved away
23:00 from Gnome 2. They didn't want to move
23:01 to Gnome 3 and so they built their own
23:04 thing. Unity sort of died at at around
23:07 the Ubuntu 18.04 mark, but it was
23:11 resurrected in Ubuntu Unity edition and
23:13 it seemed like the desktop would have
23:15 some new stuff being added, some stuff
23:17 being revamped. But it also looks like
23:19 now this project has completely
23:21 faltered. It was picked up by just one
23:24 person, apparently very talented, but
23:27 also one person can't really maintain an
23:29 entire desktop. The issue is Unity has
23:33 not really moved past its old Ubuntu
23:36 17.10 roots. It hasn't really evolved.
23:39 It is not a bad option, but honestly,
23:41 you can replicate what it does really
23:44 easily in KDE or even with a few Gnome
23:46 extensions apart maybe from the global
23:48 menu uh which is still a pain even on
23:50 KDE to set up properly with all the
23:52 applications. Apart from that, you can
23:54 replicate the entire experience and it's
23:56 probably going to perform better, look
23:58 better, be more customizable, be more
24:01 themable. So, I don't see any real
24:03 reason to use Unity right now apart from
24:05 nostalgia. So, it's going to go at the
24:08 very bottom tier. In the previous video
24:11 back in 2023, I added CuteFish, which
24:13 was a desktop environment that was
24:14 starting to be picked back up at the
24:16 time. It seems to have completely died,
24:18 so I'm not going to talk about this one.
24:21 And among others that I haven't tried.
24:22 There's something like Luminina. Uh
24:24 there's Enlightenment that I haven't
24:26 given a shot, so I can't really rank
24:28 them here. If you want me to give them a
24:30 shot, let me know in the comments. list
24:31 all the desktops that I haven't tried
24:33 and that you want me to review and I'll
24:35 maybe make a dedicated video about this
24:38 and I'll integrate them in the next tier
24:42 list next year in 2026. Anyway, these
24:45 were all just my personal rankings for
24:47 my personal use case. I know some of you
24:50 will have very different opinions on all
24:52 of this, so don't hesitate to let me
24:54 know about those opinions down in the
24:56 comments. And I leave you on this segue
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