0:02 There's no guarantee of this being a
0:04 smooth transition. I'd say 3 to 10 years
0:07 is my guess. But you know, I don't think
0:08 all business will be gone or changed at
0:10 that time period. But the question
0:12 really is, you know, how do you provide
0:14 certainty for people? Right? People ask
0:14 me all the time, how do you provide
0:16 certainty for people when the external
0:18 world no longer offers certainty? And I
0:20 would argue that you don't have to deal
0:22 with it at all because it's already true.
0:23 true.
0:25 >> What I mean is there is no external
0:27 certainty. You know, external certainty
0:28 is a total illusion. You have rented
0:30 certainty because you have a certain
0:32 business or you have a certain category
0:34 of a certain income. You have certain
0:36 relationships. But you know a co for
0:38 example instantly changed all of that
0:40 overnight for people. You you walk
0:42 across the street and get hit by a car
0:44 and you know things like this are always
0:45 been a part of our lives. So I think
0:48 it's really dispelling the illusion of
0:50 certainty and finding people and the
0:52 ability to get that internal certainty.
0:54 Look neuroscience is teaching us that
0:56 same as AI our brains are predictive
0:58 machines. It's constantly trying to
1:00 predict what's going to happen and close
1:01 the gap between what it predicts and
1:03 what reality is. And when it's doesn't
1:06 match up, that's when that craziness,
1:07 that anger, that fear shows up. So, it's
1:09 going to show up on a large scale. So,
1:11 if we're going to make the transition, I
1:13 think we have to anticipate what's
1:15 coming. So, when those jobs are
1:17 disrupted, what will people hang on to?
1:19 The answer is we have to give them two
1:21 things. First, help them develop an
1:25 identity as a creator. Here's what I
1:27 mean by that. Most people that you talk
1:29 to in daily life are stressed, but we
1:31 think it's more stressful because we're
1:33 managers today. We try to manage so
1:36 much. We were not made to manage our
1:38 circumstances. We're made to create.
1:40 When you're managing circumstances, you
1:42 don't feel any sense of agency. You
1:43 don't feel like you're in charge. And
1:45 most human stress comes from the fact
1:48 that you feel events are controlling you
1:50 versus you're controlling events. When
1:52 you become a creator of life on your
1:54 terms, it doesn't matter what changes in
1:55 the outside world. Now, there's one
1:58 other piece you might say practically,
2:00 like what skills would somebody need to
2:01 be able to do well? Because I think
2:02 about my grandkids and my younger kids
2:05 and I say, "How do I arm them?" >> Mhm.
2:05 >> Mhm.
2:07 >> Right. Not just with money or resources.
2:09 How do I arm them to have self-esteem to
2:11 know they can play the game? And the
2:13 answer is develop an identity that says,
2:15 "I'm the kind of person that always
2:17 finds the way. I'm the person that can
2:19 find meaning anything and empowering
2:21 meaning. I know how to use my body to
2:23 produce certainty, not try to get it
2:24 from the outside world, which is an
2:26 illusion. I have an identity. I'm the
2:28 person that makes it happen. Then
2:30 there's the skill. There's three skills.
2:32 If you master these three skills, it
2:33 doesn't matter what happens with AI. It
2:35 doesn't matter. You'll still be a part
2:36 of what wins. Cuz in the end, you're not
2:37 going to be replaced by AI. You're going
2:39 to be replaced by someone who knows how
2:41 to use AI. The skill number one is
2:43 pattern recognition. When you recognize
2:45 a pattern, it eliminates fear. But the
2:47 second skill is pattern utilization.
2:49 Once you recognize financial patterns,
2:51 business patterns, patterns of
2:54 technology, you're not fearful. Once you
2:56 start to use those patterns, you become
2:58 powerful. But the third target that I
3:00 all my kids, I want them to move towards
3:02 and constantly reinforcing is pattern
3:04 creation. You're bringing something to
3:05 the table that's never been there
3:07 before. And if I study these three skill
3:09 sets, I'll always be able to learn. And
3:11 as I learn, I'll be able to master
3:13 anything life brings me, including AI,
3:16 technology, robotics, nanotechnology, etc.
3:21 I've heard a lot of people say this
3:22 before, like, you know, they say for
3:24 4,000 years our identity has been tied
3:25 to work. What happens when we don't have
3:27 to work anymore? And it's just not true.
3:30 For 4,000 years, before the aggregian
3:32 transformation of our society, as you
3:34 said, we're into survival. But really,
3:36 what we were tied to was a tribe. We
3:37 were tied to connection and
3:40 contribution. Those are two human needs
3:41 that have never gone away and are not
3:43 going to go away if there's no quote
3:45 work. Now I don't know if I buy there'll
3:47 be no work for human beings personally.
3:50 Um I could be dead wrong but I just I I
3:51 don't buy that necessary future.
3:53 Certainly not in the next 3 5 years
3:55 they're describing what are the drives
3:57 that aren't just motivational. What are
3:59 the drives that are built into all human
4:01 beings? And I finally discovered what I
4:03 consider to be the six human needs that
4:04 drive everything. In other words,
4:06 whatever people do, they have a reason.
4:07 There's a million reasons. There's six
4:09 needs that drive those reasons or those
4:11 stories, right? The first basic human
4:14 need is certainty. the need to be able
4:16 to be comfortable, to avoid pain. Some
4:17 people get certainty by lowering their
4:20 expectations. Some people get certainty
4:21 by trusting in God and saying, "There's
4:22 a higher purpose. I'm going to be
4:24 guided." Some people get certainty by
4:25 working out and feeling that certainty
4:27 in their body. You can get certainty by
4:29 eating a lot of food. You're all
4:31 stressed out. Eat a lot of food and your
4:32 stomach fills up and you start to
4:34 breathe better, right? Cuz you're full.
4:36 Or you smoke a cigarette. Take a breath
4:39 in and blow it out nice and slow and you
4:40 feel better. You're killing yourself,
4:42 but you feel comfortable while you're
4:43 doing it, right? It's just provides
4:45 certainty. You can find certainty in
4:46 positive ways, neutral ways, or negative
4:49 ways. So, we all have different rules, a
4:51 different map about how to meet that
4:53 need. But if you were certain every
4:54 moment of your life, you know what's
4:55 going to happen, when it's going to
4:57 happen, what someone's going to do, what
4:59 they're going to say. In the beginning,
5:01 that would feel great. But after a
5:03 while, you'd be bored out of your mind.
5:05 Which is why the universe, God, whatever
5:06 you want to call it, gave us a second
5:08 need, which is uncertainty. We have a
5:10 need for uncertainty. We have a need for
5:12 surprise. So is the goal to be the
5:15 lukewarm middle? No. The goal is you can
5:17 meet multiple through multiple beliefs
5:19 or actions or emotions. You can meet
5:21 multiple needs. The third need is the
5:24 need for significance. The need to feel
5:25 unique, to feel special, to feel
5:28 important. You can get significance by
5:29 working harder than anybody else, being
5:31 more generous. You can get significance
5:34 by be, you know, beating up on somebody,
5:36 right? You know, verbally tearing
5:38 somebody down. You have the illusion if
5:40 they go down, you go up, right? There's
5:41 so many ways to do it that are positive
5:43 and negative. The reason we have
5:45 violence, it's one of the fastest ways
5:46 to feel significant and certain and have
5:49 variety. It also meets the fourth need
5:51 unfortunately which is connection and
5:53 love. Not the love part, but the
5:55 connection part. Everyone needs
5:57 connection and love. So the first four
5:59 needs are the needs of the personality.
6:02 But the ultimate needs are spiritual
6:04 needs. Not religious but spiritual. And
6:06 that is everything in life has to grow.
6:08 Everything grows or it dies. That's not
6:10 my law. It's the law of the universe and
6:12 everything in the universe if it doesn't
6:15 contribute it's eventually eliminated
6:17 right so we have to contribute we have
6:19 to give something when we contribute
6:20 have something to give and that's when
6:22 you have a spiritual high that's when
6:24 people feel fulfilled as opposed for
6:27 survival so I say this because to let
6:29 talk about someone losing their job or
6:30 their sense of identity or their
6:32 self-worth because they're not doing it
6:34 through their work anymore I would be
6:36 concerned about that if I thought the
6:37 only way we could meet our needs for
6:38 significance and certain cy would be
6:41 through work. But look, we've already
6:44 lived a postwork world to some extent if
6:45 you go back in our history as humans,
6:48 right? So there are many ways to meet
6:50 our needs. Right? Now we have been
6:52 driven to think of it only in one
6:54 predictive way for the last couple
6:55 hundred years. But we've done it before
6:57 and we can do it again. But the answer
7:00 to your question is will we as a society
7:01 do that quick enough? Will everybody
7:03 make that happen quick enough? I'm
7:05 afraid to say the answer is no. In my
7:08 opinion, my biggest concern is if you
7:10 don't have any work, how do you find
7:11 meaning? I know you can do it. There's
7:14 many ways to do it, but we have to
7:16 educate people and we've got to retool
7:18 them. There is a way to meet all of our
7:20 needs. It's going to be a call. And I
7:22 think what AI is doing is it's a
7:24 spiritual call. I know that's my view of it.
7:25 it.
7:28 >> We're going from survival values to
7:31 spiritual values. from external focus to
7:33 more internal focus that we're able to
7:35 share and make the world better. That's
7:37 the upside of this. But the transition
7:39 time is going to be painful. And if you
7:40 look at history, most of those
7:43 transitions are a 5-year period roughly.
7:45 If you look at the every type of major
7:46 disruption that's happened with
7:48 technology in the past, I hope it's not
7:49 like that. I hope we can conversations
7:51 like this like we're having can be
7:53 stimulated and other people have them at
7:54 a high level and that people like you
7:56 and I can try to create as much
7:57 influence with those who have influence
7:59 to make that shift. So the way to prep
8:02 for the future is prep society by giving
8:04 the ability to have a different
8:07 psychology about change and figuring out
8:08 the ways in which we're going to create
8:10 that transport. What do the most
8:11 successful people on earth have in
8:12 common? And my first response in the
8:14 early days was extraordinary
8:16 intelligence. But I found there are
8:17 brilliantly smart people that can't
8:19 fight their way out of a paper bag in
8:21 real life. So the number one factor is
8:24 hunger. The hunger to be more, do more,
8:26 create more, give more. A hunger that
8:28 never goes away.
8:30 >> As long as that hunger is alive, the
8:32 world is going to be something that's
8:33 going to be a beautiful place for you.
8:35 And all these tools are tools you will
8:38 use with your agency to create something
8:39 extraordinary. If you can think of your
8:41 life in terms of the hero's journey story,
8:42 story,
8:44 >> it's been taught a million times. It's
8:45 in every every culture in the world. We
8:47 all know of Joseph Campbell. But I just
8:49 want to remind people whatever you're
8:51 dealing with, technology change, job
8:54 change, career change, like everyone is
8:56 going to experience what the first step
8:58 is in that hero's journey. Your life
9:00 seems to be okay and then something
9:02 happens. They call it the call to
9:03 adventure. It doesn't feel like
9:05 adventure when you lose your job or the
9:06 government shuts you down with co. And
9:08 so we experience that extreme stress
9:10 that people experience. We're all going
9:12 to experience it. But what happens is
9:15 most people try to not go on the call
9:17 like just ignore it. And it only gets
9:19 worse. As you know, if you push through
9:22 those moments, the people that do, they
9:24 get three things out of it. Number one,
9:25 they realize how strong they are. And
9:27 all these other things you're worried
9:28 about go away cuz you start realizing, I
9:30 am so much more than I thought I was.
9:33 Second, you learn who your real friends
9:34 are, not your Facebook friends or
9:36 whoever you call them, right? The ones
9:38 that are there when it's not going well.
9:41 And third, you get almost an immunity to
9:42 future challenges. And when you go
9:44 through that cycle, you become more and
9:46 you have now something to give. You come
9:49 home a new person. And as soon as you
9:51 think it's all over, it happens again.
9:55 So AI is the call. New technology is the
9:57 call for us to become more. Again, to
10:00 move from survival to spirit, to move
