0:02 today on doctrina official we have
0:04 something very special as you can see
0:07 we've got the whole gang coming together
0:11 for one or maybe two episodes and you'll
0:14 see and you'll tell me what comes of
0:16 that but we want to welcome you guys
0:19 back to the channel and see how was your
0:22 happy New Year it was good what' you do
0:25 anything fun I met my friends no nice
0:27 and how about you yeah about the same
0:29 just met a lot of friends for years so I
0:31 was in New to you know I slept early
0:34 this year it was a big year in 24 and
0:35 I'm looking forward to a 25 so I need to
0:37 get my beauty rest I need more of that
0:40 than you probably fair enough yeah how
0:41 about you guys what did you do for your
0:45 new year I had a rest we were with you that's
0:47 that's
0:49 the I think what we want to do with this
0:52 episode is kind of bring together a lot
0:54 of different themes and kind of see how
0:55 our family matches with your family
0:57 because my guess is we can bring out a
1:00 few things so let's start with the boys
1:03 how is college life I know I have a a
1:05 senior who's about to graduate and a
1:07 sophomore who's going into a second
1:09 semester aren tell us a little bit about
1:11 how college life is it's good um we're
1:13 kind of getting the wrapping up stages
1:15 so taking my last couple of major
1:17 classes I also added my music production
1:20 minor finally uh which has been very
1:21 good I've gotten a lot of great
1:23 opportunities to work with a great
1:26 faculty um taking more part also coming
1:28 out of college in the clubs and other
1:30 experiences where you get to meet new
1:32 people yeah it's good I can't believe
1:34 it's already over FW by can we I mean
1:36 we're kind of amazed that the four years
1:40 just flew by and um from where you
1:42 started to where you came the picture
1:45 story is great but the r in personal
1:49 story is even great when did you feel
1:51 like an adult during that when did you
1:55 go from boy to man uh my moments but I
1:56 mean it's not something I always feel
1:57 like maybe sometimes there's things I
1:59 have to take care of that in my personal
2:01 life you know things that are adult
2:03 responsibilities other times I still
2:06 feel like a kid uh and the older I get
2:08 the more I realize that you kind of feel
2:11 like a kid at whatever age you are and
2:14 does it matter that now Mom and Dad and
2:16 anyone else is telling you or not
2:18 telling you what to
2:22 do see you think that and then you come
2:24 home and no matter what age you are the
2:25 moment you're back with your parents
2:27 you'll feel like a kid again yes that's
2:29 true no matter what your age you are I
2:30 don't want
2:32 well said well said my friend no matter
2:35 what you are we still get told what to
2:37 do and no matter what age you are used
2:39 get used to it's part of being a family
2:43 member how about you Ryan uh I'm just
2:44 about to head in the second semester of
2:47 my second year so it's been pretty good
2:49 definitely flying by very fast a lot
2:51 faster than than you know school like
2:54 even primary or High School used to go
2:56 so I mean it's not surprising that's
2:58 like the kind of consensus from everyone
3:00 but uh it's just really busy but I think
3:02 you know I'm having fun doing busy work
3:06 so and and have you kind of more over
3:08 found where you want to go what you want
3:11 to do or is it still a puzzle a bit of a
3:13 puzzle but I think I'm starting to exact
3:15 it now so I think I had a decent idea
3:17 kind of coming into college um at the
3:19 very least knowing that like stem was
3:22 kind of the calling I'd found but um I
3:24 think the exact field in terms of what
3:25 problems I want to solve is still kind
3:27 of a mystery to me so you know just
3:29 trying to do whatever I can to game more
3:31 exposure and what are your thoughts on
3:33 this adult child mix when did you go
3:36 from teenage I think I'm still a child I
3:44 I yeah no but I mean I don't know I I
3:46 think you always like run into someone
3:48 and you'll talk to them and meet them
3:49 and you're just like you'll just be left
3:51 thinking like wow I really am just like
3:54 a child still um even people my age I
3:57 know like are doing have taken on like a
3:58 lot more
4:00 responsibility um or had to take on a
4:01 lot more responsibility than I have so
4:03 in a lot of ways I don't think I've
4:05 necessarily yet become an adult I think
4:07 I'm kind of just getting there so see
4:10 slow and steady and one thing after the
4:12 next after the next I would say you're
4:14 cooking now you're living in both living
4:16 in your own Apartments how is that it's
4:19 good so tell me what life is like out of
4:21 the dorms into the apartments last time
4:23 we spoke I think one of you was in a
4:24 dorm the other one had gone to the
4:27 apartment now you're both in apartments
4:29 and that too in a foreign city I grew up
4:32 there and now you're exactly forign I
4:34 mean we've been to La a number of
4:38 times but not on your own right uh yeah
4:40 that's fair mean that though it's not
4:42 like for the time not really s roommates
4:45 and like living with Brothers the sameir
4:47 things you would get from M and has it
4:49 been good to have the two of you
4:51 together yeah very good we see each
4:54 other pretty often I think we raised
4:56 them together they were in the same room
4:58 despite having a big house yeah and that
5:05 and uh you guys were generous with each
5:07 other sometimes you C on each other's
5:09 those but yeah but the usual stuff I
5:12 would say we're better we're better than
5:14 a lot of siblings I would say we tend
5:16 not to fight that much work out together
5:18 you guys meet up and you go and meet
5:20 your cousins a lot of times because
5:23 everybody's in California and in and
5:26 around La so do you think having family
5:28 around like your grandparents around
5:31 does that give you a sense of security
5:35 yeah I think it's it's nice you wouldn't
5:38 feel like you're that far away from home
5:40 um and it makes everything familiar and
5:41 I think it's a little less of that
5:43 uncertainty of being in a new place
5:45 because it doesn't feel that new so so
5:46 let me ask you something is there
5:48 anything along the journey that you
5:50 would have told your younger self to
5:54 expect or to change yeah I would say for
5:57 college um kind of put a wrench and
6:00 everything but
6:04 each phase each year means a lot there's
6:05 a lot of different things that happen
6:07 socially I think we are really kids when
6:08 we come in and we're still kind of kids
6:10 when we come out but we grow a lot as
6:12 people over those couple of years and I
6:13 think we have these different phases of
6:16 figuring out who we are who um We Vibe
6:18 with who we kind of gel with what we
6:20 kind of love to do and it's not
6:21 something that stops I think it's a
6:27 lifelong journey but I would tell myself
6:30 to take priorities seriously I think
6:33 prioritize these things and it's not
6:36 something that you want to slip by you I
6:37 think you don't realize just how
6:39 important some of the things are like
6:41 your friends or the time that you spend
6:43 with people or the way that you not just
6:45 prioritize academics but prioritize you
6:47 know your friends your
6:50 family yeah agree it's well said and
6:52 what do you think about the family
6:55 values we instilled because in spite of
6:58 our background right you guys are very
7:00 grounded and I've heard this from many
7:03 people but most of all from me and Mom
7:05 that we never raised you with a spoon in
7:08 your mouth a silver spoon or you know
7:10 you I'd argue at some point there yeah
7:12 we we grew up in a very different
7:14 environment to a lot of the people I've
7:18 met um definitely we've had much a much
7:19 easier time than I would say the average
7:21 person so whether or not like we're
7:24 grounding people I think that's I I
7:25 would never like say it myself I would
7:28 just hope that people would perceive I
7:30 guess perceive mean that way or rather I
7:32 I end up behaving that way and people
7:34 kind of uh their opinions of me reflect
7:36 that I think you guys were protected
7:38 more yeah definitely you always were
7:40 very careful about where you went what
7:44 you did who you were with you know um
7:47 but once you were on your own things
7:48 must have changed for you because you
7:50 don't have that yeah but I think all
7:52 sudden in the US it's like it's very
7:54 different I mean here it's not like a
7:56 huge difference I think regardless of
7:58 where we go what we do I think me and
8:00 Arin are usually
8:02 much less visible I guess it's not as if
8:05 like I think very most of the time I
8:06 think people just see me as some like
8:08 random kid just like we have more
8:12 freedom a lot and um I think going back
8:14 to the grounded thing it's I think it's
8:15 really about just understanding the
8:17 value of things not taking things for
8:20 granted and knowing that maybe what you
8:23 have is what comes from your privilege
8:26 versus what you know that kind of stuff
8:28 what you take what you value I think
8:30 there's also like a a certain
8:32 criticality I guess you could say I
8:34 don't think that's the correct word for
8:36 it but I guess the idea of just like
8:37 scrutinizing the decisions or things
8:39 that we see I think often times I'll run
8:42 into people who I would say are not as
8:44 grounded and part of the reason for that
8:45 I think is because they don't
8:46 necessarily critically think about the
8:49 actions they're taking um they kind of
8:52 just do whatever um don't really think
8:54 about like really what's going on so in
8:57 that sense like if you really do
8:59 evaluate like the things you do I think
9:01 in both larger Scopes and even scopes on
9:03 like the scale of yourself then I think
9:04 eventually it'll lead you to decisions
9:07 that are more or less like better um
9:09 more grounded so to speak so it's very
9:13 deep for a young man both you two have a
9:17 huge amount of uh maturity now let me
9:18 ask you something what do you think the future
9:19 future
9:22 holds that's a broad question but I'm
9:24 saying things are changing
9:27 dramatically and the the real question
9:30 is we've talked about it before
9:33 you're about to graduate and start
9:36 something interesting and um you still
9:37 have a couple of years you're trying to
9:39 work your way around figure out where
9:43 you want to try but you know so let's
9:46 back up one St when we talk about your
9:50 being grounded you're not entitled to
9:51 the extent that you're respectful to
9:54 everyone you treat everyone as peers and
9:57 you never ever judge right that's my
10:00 observation now let me turn it over to
10:03 the big kids mom and dad you've come
10:05 back to India but you spent some time
10:07 with them in La which must have been a
10:11 tree yes I'm saying now with college
10:14 having him in the same city how is that
10:18 wonderful I try for the day they call
10:21 and I hear one word out of their mouth I
10:23 my only request I always have is they
10:28 call me once we just to say hello right
10:30 that's all I I want what's going on in
10:33 your life what you can tell me share
10:35 with me but is it nice to have them in
10:38 the same city both in the same town
10:39 nothing like it and the other cousins
10:42 are not there exactly I have five three
10:45 are out of town and you are two right
10:47 now and and what have you noticed in
10:48 them growing up because you've seen the
10:50 journey both of you have he was so
10:53 protective of Ryan I mean I cannot
10:55 believe right from the birth I was there
10:56 for both the
11:00 births my brother my
11:02 no matter where he went you were
11:04 protecting him and what about
11:08 now I haven't seen them that close now
11:11 together to see do you even I think it
11:13 goes both ways because they were very
11:15 protective but he was looking each
11:18 others I remember when Ain got pushed on
11:20 on the
11:22 football that was just two and a half
11:24 remember that and he just stood in front
11:26 of that boy who had pushed you and said
11:29 that you cannot treat my brother like
11:32 that do you know who I am you know who
11:34 he is he's my
11:36 brother it was amazing to see that I
11:38 think I'm going to be honest I don't
11:41 really remember that never known you do
11:43 I remember that D see that's the thing
11:45 parents parents can say whatever they
11:46 want about you when you were young and
11:48 you kind of just have to agree cuz you
11:49 don't have many memory so you can't
11:52 really say it's like a baited question
11:55 there right yeah and I could make it up
11:56 and you'd never know better I literally
11:59 would never know I think know one of the
12:03 thing that happened was initially when
12:07 came there to Los Angeles to USC he used
12:10 to come more often because he was
12:13 adjusting to the environment and all the
12:16 condition and it was it's pleasure
12:19 always to see them and he used to come
12:21 every week almost which was good every
12:25 weekend he was there as the days go by
12:29 as the days went by then he gets used
12:32 to the environment he he develops
12:36 friendships there and we observed that
12:38 that affected and then he's
12:40 coming I I think there was a backstory
12:42 there he learned how to use the washing
12:44 machines and the
12:47 DM so he Grand his
12:51 laundry in your remember you were like
12:54 eight rooms in the first year I know we
12:57 also our laundry machine was like messed
12:59 up it was pretty bad this time it was
13:01 like leaking it Tri the fire alarm
13:03 wasn't good that was a tough year I
13:05 remember no it was a great year such a
13:07 good time love how
13:12 you no this is what I admire took it
13:15 with a grain of but recently when Ryan
13:18 came there he also came first there for
13:20 the washing ma initially not for the
13:21 washing machine not for washing it
13:24 changed from the change from the D to
13:28 the apartment yeah and then he had to
13:30 prepare all the yeah remember your
13:33 partner was from San Diego yeah and he
13:35 would go back home yeah and you were
13:38 there left alone whereas he has sun right
13:41 right
13:44 no a roommate yeah I have a roommate but
13:45 you have a roommate that's there too he
13:48 doesn't go out every weekend to his
13:52 parents no so that's why you comfor so
13:55 so here's the next question with that
13:57 for you guys now you're faced with a
14:00 situation where you're on your own
14:01 and I've heard from both of you guys you
14:04 want to do startups in India eventually
14:05 although you're taking a job at a
14:09 high-tech and trying to hone your skills
14:13 and get better at them and we don't know
14:14 you know because you love it there and
14:18 you love building and we'll see what
14:21 happens with that but the question is
14:23 how do you think your life changed when
14:26 you went to the US you guys no
14:30 family no nuclear structure right you
14:33 always have nowadays phones of Plenty
14:36 you know FaceTime you know video apps
14:40 all that but distances are large right
14:43 so how do you keep in touch with your
14:45 family and how do you how do you put
14:49 that as U something which is core well I
14:50 mean I'm not usually the one to reach
14:53 out I will say I'm not that kind of
14:56 person um I don't often reach out to too
14:58 many people unless it's like some kind
15:00 of occasion or something thing um or if
15:01 I really needed to ask something
15:04 urgently but um yeah whenever you guys
15:06 call I mean phones are really a way of
15:08 uh bringing the distance between people
15:12 so um yeah yeah earlier on I would say I
15:15 was you we right my spent my last two
15:17 years of high SCH so I was locked at
15:20 home with you guys which was actually
15:24 very good um but after that it's like
15:26 you know you're a kid you want your
15:28 freedom you want to be independent
15:31 whatever you think Independence is so
15:32 then in that time I wouldn't make as
15:34 much of an effort and I think not
15:36 forgotten the value but more
15:40 so you are so excited for all the new
15:42 things that you wrap yourself up in that
15:44 and now I find myself taking that effort
15:46 calling home because I miss home I miss
15:48 home and now that I'll be having my job
15:50 I know that my ability to come back home
15:52 will be very limited and so I really
15:55 cherish the time that I get back here um
15:57 the phones make it easy are on the
16:00 opposite side of the planet and um the
16:01 fact we can still talk to each other in
16:03 real time is you know it's that is
16:05 interesting if you really think about it
16:09 it's crazy 20 years ago 30 years ago it
16:11 would have been
16:14 what advantage of having your cousins
16:17 your grandparents oh yeah family is all
16:18 around something very urgent no
16:20 definitely I never felt so far away from
16:22 family like that and what about you
16:25 we've had to raise two boys you're like
16:26 outnumbered in the home even Carmelo is
16:30 a boy right how do that change your
16:33 perspective four I'm surrounded by four
16:35 men how does that change your
16:38 perspective on how you do things I mean
16:41 child raising is child raising but boys
16:42 have their own set of it takes a whole
16:44 village to raise a child and that's
16:47 exactly what happened with both our kids
16:50 because uh my parents used to live with
16:53 us my other parents used to always help
16:55 us out whenever I need any help I was
16:58 working here they used to come and they
17:01 used to to be with you guys for 4 months
17:04 at a stretch so I know that the values
17:06 that my mom and dad gave me the values
17:08 that they have given their kids are
17:10 values that you're getting you know and
17:13 that is what made you who you
17:16 are like and it was our
17:20 pleasure all the love all the positive
17:22 things that you know you have to be
17:24 grounded you have to respect everyone
17:26 you have to work sincerely whatever you
17:28 do do it to the best of your abilities I
17:30 I think that's what you have taught your
17:32 kids my parents taught me and I know
17:35 that those are the values you've got so
17:37 for me when you are adults and you're
17:40 out there in the world I know that we
17:43 have at least given you the tools that
17:47 you will make the right choice you know
17:50 and I have that trust in both of you y
17:53 and so um for me that was a biggest thing
17:55 thing
17:59 that uh I felt that we did right in
18:01 reason and so even for these guys do you
18:03 think you'll stay there or do you think
18:05 at some point you may work out here in
18:08 my life I will be back here okay how
18:11 about you that's a good question I I
18:12 still have some time before I graduate
18:14 so I still have to like I said I still
18:15 have to figure out what really I'm going
18:18 to it depends on what you get to in your
18:21 life which is better to work here or
18:23 better to work there if you're working
18:25 same thing two places and you have a
18:27 better life here and then you decide
18:30 tell me something and another Mark Twain
18:32 ISM where he said it's amazing how
18:34 little my dad knew when I went to
18:35 college and how much he learned by the
18:38 time I got back I don't think the father
18:41 changed I think the son learned what was
18:43 right and what was not right and then
18:45 coming back he recognized it but what
18:47 are the learnings that you guys have had
18:48 that you bring back to us that you've
18:51 seen in a different
18:54 world I think exposure you meet a lot of
18:55 different people from a lot of different
18:56 backgrounds who want to do a lot of
18:59 different things and you get exposed to
19:01 different ideologies you get exposed to
19:04 different ways of thinking and it kind
19:06 of helps you hone down what it is that
19:07 you believe in and what it is that you
19:09 believe truly matters and I think it's
19:11 there usually that a lot of people
19:13 discover they're more traditional or you
19:14 know the values that they get from their
19:16 family that they become more certain of
19:17 them they realize that that's who they are
19:19 are
19:23 um andate what you have oh I mean of
19:25 course I would say don't be afraid of
19:27 failures yes that's a big one too I
19:29 don't let that ever be
19:31 you fail you move on you do it again yes
19:34 I fail but tell me about failure it's a
19:36 teacher teaching point when you fail
19:37 it's a teaching point it teaches you
19:39 something about you about how you're
19:41 going to deal with it because that's
19:43 what makes you who you are yeah and
19:45 handling failure with Grace I think
19:46 coming back to what you were saying
19:48 finding that than giving at your all but
19:50 also not being discouraged when you fail
19:52 right not being ready to give it up just
19:54 because of one small obstacle in way so
19:57 so I even wrote something on my social
20:00 media profile I said we need to rename
20:03 it and we need to look at our successes
20:06 and our learnings rather than calling it
20:08 successes failure although sometimes
20:10 failing does suck it hurts yeah no
20:14 question it hurts everyone if fil it
20:16 doesn't do well of course it hurts but
20:18 you can't bow in that and you can't say
20:20 okay that's the end of the world you
20:21 just got to get up and say I'm going to
20:23 do a better job than does that mean I
20:25 should be doing more failure to learn
20:28 more that's not failure should not be
20:31 something you're that's doing more
20:33 learnings many people have said it
20:35 they've said that if you're not failing
20:37 you're not trying hard enough right
20:40 because the bottom line is that failure
20:44 comes when your systems are at their
20:46 Edge and if you're not pushing that
20:49 envelope hard enough it ain't going to
20:52 happen right and so certainly in my
20:56 realm with with startups and with you
20:58 know the family office and some of the
20:59 other things doing but even in heart
21:02 surgery we had to push and to the Limit
21:06 right if I'm racing to the Limit right
21:09 yeah and people like 300 computations
21:11 per second well come on our
21:12 supercomputers do that like in
21:16 milliseconds now but the kind of
21:19 decision Tera flops so 100% but
21:22 basically nobody's working to
21:24 everybody's working to be successful but
21:27 life can throw throw curve balls at you
21:31 and how you you manage to catch those
21:35 and and own it you know is what so so
21:39 rapid fire let start from left to right
21:40 any thoughts for the new
21:43 year looking for a prosperous and happy New
21:44 New
21:47 Year okay and what are the Pearls of
21:49 Wisdom you learned from this talk from
21:52 this dialogue I think you get
21:54 perspective it's good to hear the
21:55 different perspectives of different
21:56 Generations it's nice to have all of us
21:57 in the same place talking about these
21:59 things I think you add a little bit of
22:01 structure and you touch upon things that
22:02 you might not otherwise have come up you
22:05 know it's you had to say to the average
22:08 immigrant family what would you take
22:11 from this one um appreciate how
22:13 different your lives are I appreciate
22:15 the differences and what the people
22:16 before you had to do the things they had
22:19 to do to get you to where you are very
22:21 nice how about you Ryan I mean I don't
22:23 think I can really add on to that idea
22:24 those are pretty much all the different
22:26 same things I would say but you have a
22:28 journey and you saw their Journey my
22:29 joury yeah no it's definitely been
22:32 interesting to see kind of how times
22:33 times ideas and just Lifestyles have
22:36 changed over time I think it's very hard
22:38 for me to say anything to like the
22:40 average person because like very clearly
22:42 I've lived a life that's not very
22:44 average in like terms of where I come
22:46 from what I've like had access to and
22:47 kind of the luxury I've had of not
22:49 having to take on like a lot of
22:51 responsibilities I mean even coming to
22:52 college like laundry was something I
22:54 still didn't really know necessarily how
22:55 to do so that's kind of it's a little
22:57 bit embarrassing and I think like those
22:58 kind of selfcare things are definitely
23:01 something that is part of like you know
23:02 becoming an adult and transitioning into
23:06 being own yeah but that's just like did
23:08 did my episodes help on that by the way
23:09 I this is a plug for my episodes
23:12 obviously uh I me the thing is I don't
23:14 get the ingredients most Indian parents
23:16 don't I I just don't get the ingredients
23:18 for I don't know where you
23:21 find all of those oh yeah yeah no that
23:23 helps um definitely learning to cook
23:24 with you like even when we were younger
23:26 helps like eggs especially I think was
23:28 probably one of the few things that I
23:30 didn't even encourage people to go watch
23:32 uh sure yeah go watch cooking videos
23:35 yeah sure I guess you I guess you could
23:37 go watch I have to make this thing a
23:39 little fun and I have to tell a story
23:43 about Ryan we had this um uh Nanny you
23:45 were looking for and she was very pretty
23:49 red haired you know very sweet girl and
23:51 uh she had just come home we liked her
23:52 and we said Okay and she started and she
23:56 was a living Den so Denver uh she was
23:59 living and um in the morning I just woke
24:01 up and I heard these noises downstairs
24:03 and Ryan you must have been around 3
24:05 years old so when we stepped down maybe
24:08 two and a half also we stepped down and
24:10 Ryan was standing there with the nanny
24:12 she was he was teaching how to cook the
24:14 eggs the way he likes them so say now
24:16 you crack the egg now you put a little
24:19 milk in it and then you you know stir it
24:23 and then you put it on the so so
24:27 yeah you remember he doesn't remember no
24:30 but you there is interest because you
24:34 saw Dad and how he loves cooking and I
24:37 think that love so that was an impact
24:39 which we saw too that they would
24:41 FaceTime us and show us or when when you
24:44 cooked us a whole dinner that night yeah
24:48 yeah and remember that I do yeah so he
24:51 started cooking at 9:30 and we had
24:54 dinner at 10:30 that night a whole
24:57 dinner like with salad and this and that
24:59 and you guys are lged so you were asleep
25:00 you just woke up for the food and went
25:01 back to
25:04 sleep true but I would say that's one
25:07 Learning lesson for everyone that
25:09 whatever you do whatever you find as a
25:12 family that you do together some people
25:14 play sports some people watch movies
25:17 some people have like fancy meals some
25:21 people have simple homecooked F food I
25:22 think that's something that kind of
25:25 bonded us and so that ladies and
25:28 gentlemen is the last thought and and uh
25:30 would love to hear what your thoughts
25:32 are in the comments below and as always
25:34 like subscribe and share if you think
25:36 we're giving you value and if we're
25:38 creating something because I would like
25:40 to see what you guys do in your own
25:44 homes look we are you know unusual in
25:46 many regards Ryan says it everyone says
25:48 it but at the same time we're very
25:51 grounded and we're very simple and I
25:52 think these guys are certainly
25:55 reflections of that but I suspect all of
25:58 the kids that I've met in our friends
26:00 group groups and in our families and we
26:02 had people over last night all of them
26:04 have turned out to be amazing and I
26:07 think they watch you growing up and what
26:11 you do and how you behave as a parent
26:14 and emulate that to some degree and so
26:16 everything you do not what you
26:19 necessarily teach is what matters to
26:23 them and so beware you know everything
26:26 you're doing will come back to haunt you
26:29 they say grandkids are the grandparents
26:32 greatest Revenge whatever the whatever
26:34 the parents criticize their parents on
26:37 doing the grandkids will come back but
26:39 there you have it thanks for joining us
26:42 as always and we appreciate all of your
26:44 kind words and everything you've given
26:46 back to us on the channel and let us
26:48 know if we're hitting on the right
26:50 topics and uh we'll see you in the next one
