You said to me, "The key to breaking
this brick isn't strength necessarily.
It's the ability to really, really
focus." So, can you show me you smashing
Master Shaw Hungi is the world's most
hardcore monk. He uses his decades of
knowledge and techniques to help people
control their minds and overcome
society's biggest problems. This world
is filled with so much choice that it's
difficult to take a decision which
direction to go. what is right to do.
And so there is a lot of suffering with
the skills that you are developing
through kung fu training involves
methods and practices that give you the
ability to do this. But there are five
hindrances that make it difficult for
you to still keep your goal in the mind.
There is sensory desires, ill will,
dullness, restlessness, and then
self-doubt. And to overcome the five
hindrances, you recommend the four-step
rain method. Yes. And with this, I make
it super simple.
So many of us live in the same cycles of
unhappiness and suffering. I I witnessed
it in my life as well because I felt I
was never enough. My father and mother
put a lot of pressure in terms of you
need to prove yourself and so I did all
these type of practices and methods that
made it possible to be where I am right
now. I wanted the recognition by my
father but it didn't happen because your
father passed away from cancer. Yeah. [Music]
How does one let go of that and
therefore break the pattern? I will show
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Master Sha
Hung, based on everything that's
happening in the world right now and the
work that you've committed your life to,
what is the mission that you are on and
why is it so important right now?
I do think that in this
world there have always been different
streams, different forces.
One of them leading to the betterment of
humanity, one of them leading to the
destruction of humanity. And I do think
that there are types of wisdom and
knowledge existing out there that very
easily without any
additional help for anything
else can be very useful for the people
nowadays. Yeah, you don't need to go
anywhere. The only thing you need to do
is take a moment, contemplate about
yourself, go into
yourself and find the answers there and
then decide for yourself which part and
what type of contribution would you like
to give to the world that you're living
in. I ultimately think this is what I'm
doing. And what is it that you see
people struggling with? because so many
people write to you, they they send
messages to you, they come and see you.
What is it that you hear they're
struggling with at a fundamental level?
I would say it's diversity and choice.
This world is filled with so much choice
meanwhile that it's difficult in a way
to take a decision which direction to
go, what is right to do, what is not
right to do. But ultimately, it's only
yourself who knows the answer. Which
means it comes to the essential
point. Learn more about yourself. This
is where it starts because if you have
the wrong perspective of who you are,
what you are, everything else in this
lifetime you base your decisions on is
just not not going to
be placed in the right direction.
And what are the the other things that
you hear people suffering with on a
daily basis in the modern world with the
way that the world is now? It's
digitalized. We're lonier than ever.
Mental health seems to be surging. What
are the like fundamental things they say
to you or that that you in infer through
what they're saying that they are
actually struggling with? So choice
overload of choice and an inability to
make a clear decision is number one.
So being perfectly honest, I usually do
not very much rely on what the people
tell me, what they
think, what problem they have. It's just
that I look and I can see already what I
think you need. And foremost one of
these and it's very
simple non-religious nothing about
believing it simply is the fact you
don't use your body as it is intended to
be very
simple. Yeah. You we you you sit many
people sit too much during the day. The
body is not active at all. A lot of work
a lot of energy investment is done with
the mind.
less energy investment is done really
with the body and that simply means for
me I can see there's a
disbalance whoever created us he did not
create us to sit with our butt on one
place and do thinking work the whole
time I do think a part of why we have
been created is to get out on the field
and just do something out there and what
is the cost
of not utilizing our body in the way
that it was meant to be utilized.
Unbalanced energies that can translate
into anxiety, that can translate into
dissatisfaction, that can translate into
satisfied. And the most common thing, not
not
realizing how precious the moments are
that you
have. And instead of replacing them with
illusions and dreams and assumptions
which are just not
real meaning everybody is not even
Buddhist, it's not Shaolin. It is common
understanding. We don't know if we wake
up tomorrow. It is like this. Yeah. But
our plans go. We have five years plans,
10 years plans. We have short-term,
midterm plans. Yeah. The truth is we
don't know if we wake up
tomorrow. So of course I don't want to
make it like in sound negative. So just
live in the present moment without
planning. This is not what I'm saying.
But this is the challenge nowadays. How
vision with
reality. Real the only thing real right
now is this. That's real for us. I can
feel it. You can hear it. You can sense
it. This is real. you nearly broke my
table and I was concerned because um
later on you will
be proving to me that you can break this
brick using your your mind and the
physical um preparation that you've done
which I find really really interesting
cuz I tried to smash this brick on the
floor and I couldn't. So all of the
things you talk about understanding
one's physical mind and and mastering it
but also understanding one's physical
body will find out if you can smash
through this brick. But on this point, I
I wanted to talk about an adjacent
subject, which is really like purpose,
what to do with one's life. And if we're
spending a little bit too much time
thinking off into the future um and not
enough time thinking in the present
moment, I'm wondering how purpose and
having a having a big dream for one's
life fits into this equation and if we
should have a purpose and if so, how do
we find our purpose?
So absolutely there is the field of
becoming conscious. Consciousness is a
big field. Then we have science is is
another very very big field. So some say
okay is it that consciousness creates
matter or is it the other way around?
Which one is which one is the
fundamental basis? What is the basis of
our interaction? So the truth is the
fact right now is regardless of science
no science how our evolution developed
right now we are here your body my body
we are
here this is what we are having right
now at the same time in the way of how
this lifestyle at the moment is we won't
have more than 50 more years to go in that
that
body so very simple
without believing living without any
religious aspect. Once again, the truth
is the lifetime of what you carry right
now and what I carry right now, it's
limited. And now just imagine you would
be let's say the director of your own
movie. Jump out of the body and watch
yourself right now. You are sitting like
with Shi. We sit on the same table and
you are writing your story.
How do you want to write the story? You
want to afterwards, after this podcast,
you want to like feel
uncomfortable, feel unsafe, feel
unloved, feel like being just
unsatisfied with the whole life, cry or
anything like this or how do you imagine
what is a a a really nice way of living
for you the next 50 years. So and based on
on
that purpose can be
different. You say I do like the travel.
I I do like to invest this lifetime in
this body to have the feeling at least
that I can contribute something to all
the fellow um brothers and sisters that
are around there. It makes me like I
wake up I like to do it. It gives me
purpose. So it is something very very personal.
personal.
And which also means that in a way
speaking in in these terms right now I
do not believe that every human being
has the same purpose when it comes to
this type of
purpose but now there's another type of
purpose which is more or less personally
for me why do I
think that in the first place we have
been put with all these
possibilities and
uh positively said I do think it is a
blessing being able to just
experience. It's a blessing that we have
simply experiencing what this existence
is capable of creating. including
everything, including the joy, including
the happiness, including the tears,
including the heartbreaks, all of this
without the separation. Whether you
prefer one area or
not, the one sometimes the one goes with the
the
other. But the purpose in a way is just
be and
experience. The only thing that happens
and which is a big part nowadays is if you
you
take your current existence too
serious. If you completely base your
identity, your
being on what you think you
are. But like I said, it's just a
picture right now. Yes. But just
sometimes make it very simple. jump out
of yourself and be the director. Be the
director of this
avatar and then it just opens another
perspective because in that moment you
just realize it's like a movie.
Not everything is always
positive but in the moment where there
are times of struggle
still not being caught inside your own creation
creation identity
identity
identity illusion of the self different
expressions for that it's a very helpful
way of thinking let's put it like this
because there are so many people that
say they are struggling to find meaning
in their life or they feel
purposelessness And you know, I get so
many messages from people all over the
world saying that they um they're saying
things like, "Is this it? Is this all my
life is?"
So, this is
literally also one one point that you
just mentioned is that it isn't there
more. That has always been a part that
followed me along the way. Yeah.
Especially now in the last three four
years after social media the algorithm
of social media really started also
pushing pushing us quite out
there. More requests were coming of
doing workshops, of doing podcasts, of
teaching here, of teaching there, of
making television show, of participating
in movies. And of course all together
with this doors start to open, different
things start to come in. But at some
point I just couldn't believe that this
is supposed to be the
purpose because it all still had to do
like had to do with
doing the constant
doing. Yeah. And there I felt in my life
now looking at this this couldn't be it.
So I I look for alternatives always and
always again especially feeling that
along the way of what you would say
achieving something being recognized at
something. Yeah. But the there's a
there's another side that goes hand in
hand with it that the public doesn't
see. There were times I could simply be
surrounded with like thousands thousands
of people but still feel
lonely. is not what you're surrounded
with, it's with what you are
connected. Yeah. And there I felt like
there is always again this type of
force. What is it that drives you
on? Going outwards, going outwards,
going outwards, you lose
yourself. But this self is the only
thing that can give you connection in
this life. And what do you need to be
connected to then? You talked about
being surrounded by thousands and being
lonely and it's really about what you're
connected to. What does one need to be
connected to?
Maybe before I answer you this question,
there's one thing I maybe want to like
mention beforehand. So when I went to
elementary school and also during my
school time, I actually for example
joined Christian Christian lesson. Yeah.
So by my parents I grew up with Buddhist
tradition let's say from the martial art
training I also got introduced into
so-called Zen
Buddhism because my father always told
me look son we are here in a foreign
country you're a foreigner it's always
better to have friends than to have
enemies that's why I made always friends
with everyone meaning I had a lot of
Russian friends I had a lot of Arab
Arabic friends. I had a lot of Turkish friends.
friends.
Multicultural also meaning at some point
I also got like introduced into
Islam. Bottom line
is taking all of this knowledge from the
past into my
mind. No matter from which angle I'm
watching right
believe that we all have a source.
There is a
source. So whether you call that source
is the
universe, whether you call the source it
is the God, whether this source is is
the the the infinite energy, I don't
know. There's so many different
expressions to
it. But when I look at all these
teachings, all are always pointing at
one and the same thing.
Let's just take the expression of yin
and yang. Yes, the symbol everybody
knows in the world. And there is that
nice saying yin and yang have a
mother. The mother sometimes simply
being illustrated as one
circle. So yin and yang as the
expression from duality, polarity,
existence of number two. Yeah. Where do
the two come from? They must come from one.
one.
So simple like in our way you are there
I am here one two where do we come from
there must be something that we have as
a common
denominator and this source is the only
thing that can connect
us because it's not your family it's not
my family they're still different that
is not
enough going just looking at we are
humans animals
name. Whatever and whoever gave us the
possibility to be here is the same who
gave you the permission is the same who
gave me the permission and the blessing.
And this is what I think this is the
level of mind. This is the level of
connection that never leaves you
lonely. This this is the one that I that
I mean being connected to the source.
Yes. Now, for someone that is listening
to this and is confused at this juncture
and they're asking themselves, what is
that source? You've described it in in
many potential ways, but it's the my
attempt at describing it is it is
ultimately where we came from. That is
that is the source. Is there a better
way of describing it for people that
might be unfamiliar with the concept?
First of all, I cannot speak without it
and it would make sense to everyone.
That's already the first very very
difficult part. That's why my intention
is never to say what is it. The only
thing I can do is to to like give
pointers. But ultimately there's only
one person who will be able to find it
out and it's not me finding it out for somebody
somebody
else. Everybody will find out for
himself or herself. So every human
being I do think is at a different level
of his um of his growth of his
development and everybody gets what he
needs exactly in the moment where he is
in which is why I think everybody at
this moment in time is exactly where he
needs to be for the next elevation to
take place. The only thing you need to
do is look at yourself right now and
just find out what is
it that makes you
unhappy. What exactly is it that at this
moment in your life is binding
you and restricting you from moving on?
And this is the same question for
everyone. But the what you ultimately
need to tackle is different. In the
past, I sometimes played Super Mario and
Luigi. And it's the same. If you don't
like manage level number one, you won't
see level number two. The challenges
from number two won't come. The end boss
from number two is not going to come.
First, you finish level one. But once
number one is finished, you won't face
the same stuff
anymore. And there is something along
this line where it sometimes is like a
game at the same time.
Don't take it so serious helps.
On that point of we're all struggling
with something based on the levels we're
at. If you had to try and
summarize what the common answer is to
what people are struggling with, what do
you think that might be? I was thinking
about my um my best friends cuz
sometimes it's easier to step outside of
oneselves and look at others and I was
reflecting on the conversations I've had
with them over the last couple of weeks
about things they're struggling with.
And I would define a lot of it as
wanting. So wanting to improve their
businesses, wanting to improve maybe
their romantic situations and find love.
I would say the essence of it, the
suffering seems to be striving for
something that they're unable to grab.
Um, but I wondered if you had a
different perspective on that. Two
things that right now would come to my mind.
There is always the struggle between
being. I would ask why are you doing? So
why why do you want to go into action?
Mostly there is a
goal. The goal why do you have that
goal? because you're aiming at receiving
something that in the moment where you
where you have it apparently you are
lacking. So that means this type of goal
setting in in my perspective I would
automatically refer to it already that
your goal setting already comes from a
space of
lack. You feel like you're lacking
something. That's why you need to do you
feel like you're lacking something
that's why you need to educate yourself
that okay so this is the one
direction now coming back maybe sounds
again too
philosophical connected with the
source there's nothing to add and
there's nothing to take away from
you so apparently when somebody has this
very very high ambition of doing
something, achieving
something, then most likely the chances
are there. This is not coming from a
connection to the
source. It is coming from the idea of
wanting to nourish or create an
identity. An
identity that represents something that
you think you want to
represent. Yeah. So this is the one area
the doing versus the being. And then the
second thing is that ultimately goes
hand in
hand with this way of living your life
is that you for that that one thing is
line. The truth
of that whoever and whatever you are
creating and are intending to create and
are intending to gather now and and
starting to um to attain
things your attainment maximum it's
going to last 100
years. That is the other truth. So,
So,
and I do believe people understand
exactly what I
again. The fight between
Yes. between this very strong identity
that wants to just maintain
itself and the other side of just forget
about your
identity. Be as you are. That's it.
No matter what you're going to attain,
you have it for 100 years afterward is
gone. So just be don't stress yourself
too much with what you don't
have. Well,
unfortunately, and this is always going
to continue like this. Unfortunately,
there are always three ways how you
going to learn this.
Sometimes people just need to have the
experience to realize okay I did it I
got it now I realize I don't need it but
in the first place you need to have it.
First way of
learning second way of learning you do
trust a certain teacher you do trust a
certain guide or a
mentor you just copy the way how he's
living his life. So your approach is you
just copy because you see oh apparently
the person lives a good life. So you
just copy. Second way of learning. And
the third way of learning is you maybe
have like a teacher or a master. He
tells you some wise words. You
contemplate about it. You think about it
and because you were thinking about it,
it already puts you on the alternative
path without you needing to try it for
yourself. So, and there will always be
categories because you know simply said
telling somebody look don't don't put
your hand in the
fire. They're still going to do it but
later is when they do it like two times
three times then it's done. But a lot of
people never get the thing that they're
pursuing. So, you know, someone might
say I want to be a millionaire or I want
to have a this Lamborghini sports car.
The majority of people who aspire to
that statistically won't ever reach it.
So they'll spend their whole life just
in pursuit. They'll never get the lesson
of path one where you try it and you realize
realize
that. So but maybe that is also already
life. You have this goal in the mind.
you you put all your energy, all your
effort into trying to achieve that.
You're 20 years old, you're trying.
You're 30 years old, you're trying. 40
years already, you're still trying. 50
years, you still haven't let go of the idea.
idea.
Well, at some point
hopefully you see exactly
exactly
that that senseless approach of how you
personally already wasted 30 years of
following a goal with the conclusion of
two things. Number one, you haven't
achieved it yet or number two, you
didn't had the right way of achieving
it. But the bottom line is you have two
ways now. What to do? let go of the idea
that you need it and and redirect your life
life
or redirect your
approach of how you still want to
achieve that goal if you don't want to
let go of it. But apparently one of
these two things is is not right.
And the more you want your life now,
let's say in the future to be quite
different than what you're used to, the
more you need to be able to let
go. Let go of patterns. Let go of the
way of thoughts that you had in the in
the last years and months. Now, if
nothing changes about that, there will
not come a new life.
So many of us live in patterns, the same
cycles, and we we end up getting the
same results and those results result in
unhappiness and suffering. And I was
speaking to a friend over the weekend
about how one of our other friends has
lived in a bit of a pattern and they've
been able to unable to find love and
companionship because of some things
that happened when they were younger. I
think they were bullied. So they have
this sort of deeper sense of having to
prove themselves and insecurity. And
this shows up all the time because when
they meet someone, they present a facade
which might not necessarily be accurate.
And then very quickly the relationship
ends because it was never real in the
first place. But this person's now aware
of it, but it's still happening over and
over again. They're still living out the
same pattern in their life and still
getting the same results and
dissatisfaction. So when we think about
trauma at an early age that results in
this sort of cyclical pattern of getting
same behavior, same results. I wondered
if you had a perspective on how one can
let go of that and therefore break the
I was a four fouryear-old
boy having father and
mother Asian
origin being refugees from Vietnam Laos meaning
meaning
they they ran away from the
war coming to Europe coming to Germany
with the idea that for the children to
have a better security on the one side
feeling more safe in Germany without the
instability that they witness in their
own country. And so of course father and
mother with this
idea put a lot of pressure in early ages
already in terms of you need to be good
at school, you need to achieve, yeah,
you need to prove yourself. So this is
the education from father and mother. At
the same time, with the age of four, I
went into a Shaolin kung fu school
learning martial arts. And every martial
artist practitioner probably knows
teachers and masters usually are not the
ones telling you, "Oh, yes, you did that
very good. Yes, very well." No, they
they just say, "Okay, more, deeper,
faster, harder." So bottom line is from
the age of four growing up the only
thing that in the way I felt was
actually you're never
enough. No matter what I brought home in
terms of grades if it was a B why was it
not A? If it was a A why is it not A+?
If I did already 100 push-ups question
is why don't you make 150? Yeah. If I
was fast already it was still not fast
enough. So constantly this type of never
enough. Okay. Ultimately meaning and
this is all now I can just tell you 40
years later but now I can see it.
Ultimately meaning that at some point
this little boy started simply to build
up a shield. Build up such a shield to
be less dependent anymore on what other
people think about me.
Meaning I just started to rely
everything in my life purely on what I
think at the same time building up
emotional blockages and emotional walls
nothing to penetrate and at the same
time also nothing to express to the outside.
outside.
So now having entered into like a very
new circumstance in my life where I need
to take into consideration the opinion
and the emotional state yeah of my
beloved of my partner of my
son. I can feel how my old patterns
sometimes are still trying to sneak in.
And so the only thing to do is what to
do to break patterns. Number one, you
need to see you have one. And number
two, you need to replace old patterns,
which ultimately mean patterns. It's
habitual behavior. It's it's habits. How
do you build habits by
continuous behavioral patterns that you
continuously do? So there is something
about consistency and continuity that
ultimately builds a pattern.
So and this is now where for example in
this field of martial arts that's
exactly what it's
about consistency of having a training
regimen every
day. This is yeah it's not helpful to
like six days per week do nothing and
then you go one day to the gym and and
give your everything. No, it's better
you have some type of consistency
throughout the whole day. This is what
builds patterns, healthy
patterns. Yeah. And so similar like this
I would describe now what is somebody
supposed to do? Number one, look at
yourself and see yourself. We are all not
not
perfect, but according to the
circumstances that you are facing right now
now
today, what type of character do you
think with what do you want to equip your
your
character that he is able to go through
this current times in the best possible
manner? What is not useful for you
anymore, try to get rid of it. and get
your new skills in and then train those
and then train of course those new
patterns. We don't often think about
training some of the virtues that we
want to acquire and the patterns we want
to have. We we kind of think that we
have to select them and then we'll do
our best to live them. But the idea that
I might have to
train certain new behaviors is a really
compelling one because you're right, in
the context of any physical development,
I have to go to the gym and I have to do
my repetitions to build that thing, that
strength. But I um was just thinking
about creating a training regimen for
for certain behaviors
um and new patterns that I want in my
life and trying to make sure I do them
every day, which is not something that
I've I've ever considered. Three months
ago, you became a dad to a young boy to
a young son. Yes. Um, so you're now in
the process of raising a man yourself.
And there's a lot of dialogue at the
moment in the UK, but also just broadly
in the Western world around what it is
to be a man and how to to raise men. I
think much of this dialogue has been
sparked by some shocking statistics that
show young men are struggling now more
than ever in various ways. Um, I think
the single biggest killer of men under
the age of 45 is themselves. And also
there's just an overarching sense of I
think purposeless meaninglessness that
they're struggling in school more so
than women are. Some forecasts predict
that for every two women that graduate
university or college only one man will
graduate um in the near future. And it's
pretty it's pretty shocking. So when I
think about the way that you're intent
on raising your young your young man,
but also what it is that young men in
particular are missing in their lives, I
wondered if you had had an answer from this
this
moment. There's one thing I can tell by
myself what I would absolutely prevent
when it would come, let's say, to the
education or what I share with my son.
Like I said, I felt I was never enough.
There was always something that
additionally needed to be done. So,
which literally means for me for my son
there is nothing to be done. There is
achieve. If there if there would be
something it is stay
connected. So in terms
of I don't see myself as somebody who is
now having the responsibility to shape
my son. No, I only provide the
framework. I try to provide the most
safe framework for my son. He can try
out whatever he wants. If he fails, he
will learn by himself to get up again
and keep trying. So you know to fail and
then to
continue. I just want to build up this
framework as good as I can to make him
feel safe. Yeah. But trial and error is
what I do believe is the way how you find
find
yourself. So definitely not being
spoiled but at the same time also not
like keeping something away from him
where where I make him feel like he's
not enough. So ultimately I do think in
the modern way of how to express it in
all these attachment theories very
simple of course it's the secure the
secure way of being a
stable own selfmade self-sufficient
self-sufficient
individual who knows his own value. Why?
Because he failed and got up. Why do you
struggling?
No. Whatever shows up right now at at
this moment. Yeah.
2025. It didn't start in 2025.
Whatever appears right now sometimes
it's the result of how things have been
handled, how the education has been from
previous years, whether it's the last 10
years, whether it's the last 20 years.
So it's not necessarily what did the
generation right now do did wrong, let's
say. No, it's also the question of what
did the previous generation missed to
keep passing on that ultimately led to
the result that we have nowadays. So,
and this is the question
where where I do think it's multi-layered.
multi-layered.
You gave a a TED talk in 2020 almost 5
years ago now about the five hindrances
What are the five hindrances? You
describe them as five mental states that
are holding us back. Let's put the context
first. Take it simple. Just you have a
goal setting. You set yourself whatever
goal it is, you have your
goal. So your mind is set on the goal.
Normally the five hindrances now simply
describe there are five mental states
that would actually make it difficult
for you to still keep your goal in the
mind whatever goal that is. So the number
number
one for example is called sensual desire.
desire.
Sensual desire means you are too
receptive for any type of pleasurable
feeling in regards to your five
senses. You're being too quickly attract
when you see something
beautiful. You're too quickly attract if
you smell something
tasty. You're too quickly distracted
when like you have like physical touch.
Yeah. So the first hindrance means you
you're losing the goal already because
in the moment something pleasurable is
being presented to you. Your your mind
has shifted
already. So that means that first mental
state only means look be aware of what
is it that you are very easily attracted
to. It doesn't say it's bad. It doesn't
say it's good. It just says in the
context of you want to reach your goal,
how to reach the goal the quickest, be
focused with your energy. Meaning be
focused with the mind. Don't lose the
goal from the mind. Whatever you do from
the moment of waking up until the
evening, whatever you do, keep the goal
in the mind. This is the quickest way of
making this goal become real. Number
two, simply said, you don't like
discomfort. You you don't like
challenges. You don't like
hardship. In that TEDex talk, I
described it like you're like walking
along the path and then suddenly it
starts to rain, but you don't like rain.
So instead of you just continue follow
the path, you are starting to make your
mind busy about what you don't like.
Yeah. And already that means the mind
starts to shift again losing the focus
of the goal. So this
idea num hindrance number one, hindrance
number two, actually you can easily say
it like
this. This is the goal. Two things not to
to
do. Spend your time
enjoying. Don't do this.
Or spend your time
rejecting that things are not the way
how you imagine them to
be. Both of these things, one is you
follow pleasure and the other thing
you're rejecting any challenges. Both of
these things is something to be aware of
when it comes to stay focused along the
path. When we think about this first
hindrance of sensual desire, is this
where discipline comes into play? The
idea of discipline because that word is
often used, but it's often lacking a
clear definition, but also a clear
understanding of how one attains and
exhibits discipline. Because when I
think about the things that require me
to have discipline, it is these desires.
It is the five gates. It is something I
want to eat. It is maybe um some kind of
touch that I want to have etc etc. So is
this where discipline is important?
No. Even for example like in the book or
even now when we talk about we have the
five hindrances, we have the 14 virtues,
we have the eight rules, we have the
Okay, it's a very good guideline because
it makes it easy for us humans to have
something like really structured. There
are there are four steps there are six
steps there are five steps
whatsoever what I want to say
is just in this way it's also that only
discipline wouldn't be helpful if in the
first place you do not possess the ability
ability
to see
it to realize it to be aware of
Meaning you have discipline but you are
never aware actually when is the moment
actually appearing right now that this
sensory desire is hitting in. You're not
aware of it. So the discipline wouldn't
help you if you don't have this
awareness. So always meaning I do think
that there are
different different qualities of the
mind that come into play for you
to to adjust yourself properly. I was
thinking about my friend when you
mentioned awareness there the friend I
described earlier who exhibits the same
pattern and although they might be aware
of the pattern they might say you know I
have this pattern I don't believe
they're aware
of the moment where that pattern begins
like this the singular trigger which
sends them in that in that loop so I was
and I was thinking the same about myself
I was like there's some behaviors that I
have that I don't like and although I'm
aware of them In the moment when it
happens, I might not be conscious that
it's the pattern has begun that the
someone has said something, something
has happened and then you go on that
pattern or you reach into the
refrigerator at 1:00 a.m. in the morning
and grab the thing or you end up being
triggered by something. So I wondered if
there's a practice at all to become
increase our awareness of the trigger moment.
moment. Yes.
Yes.
This is for example where I very much
appreciate so many different teachings
that are meanwhile existing freely
available for example through the social
media including breath work including yoga
yoga
practices all of them if you have a proper
proper
teacher I'm very sure that this is
exactly what is starting to raise your
awareness for something that in this
field when you are spending some time we
refer to as energy. If you're not aware
of your
own inner layer, let's say like
this, and somebody insults you, it can
happen that like somebody so somebody
insulted me and then I just started
exploding. Yeah. But the fact is before
something explodes, before I
explode, first of all, something must be
lit already. the the the small little
flame already must have been lit. So
when I already knew who is it that I'm
going to
meet maybe that already knowing hearing
the name from him already was
ah was already the starting point of a
potential explosion to happen. Yeah. So
then ah this was where when this little
flame already started being there and
then you literally can feel things like
this. You can feel when something is has
been injected, let's say, into you when
something starts to arise because when
the fire is already too big, when the
whole house is burning, you're not going
to you're not going to [Music]
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um put down that fire in any way. You
can only put down all of these fires
before things come too big. meaning we
must find a way to be directly grabbing
the root, grabbing the core or grabbing
the source of the
explosion. And the only way that I know
is you need to become more sensitive for
everything that goes on in your
body, in your surrounding, in
everything. This is where for me
role and
yes and especially when it comes to
becoming aware of your emotional states.
This is absolutely inner work. This has
nothing to do with doing work out here.
It's inner work.
How does one begin the journey of doing
that inner work?
You give trust in the vision that when
you are investing your time right now to
become more aware
of yourself, of your emotional state,
then this is going to benefit your life.
That's the starting point. You believe
in it. You believe in it. So you don't
do it because somebody tells you you're
supposed to do it. You do it because you
genuinely believe this is the way. Yeah.
I want to know more about
myself. I want to really understand what
of. You want to figure out is there
something inside of myself. I tried to
look away for many years but I know it's
still there and was afraid to look at
it. All of these
things. There's only one way to make
yourself free.
transparent. Yeah. If there are if there
are spots inside of ourself where
be. It can't
be. Bringing
light to everything that has been in the
dark. This is another area of the past.
which at some point everybody will
face. Yeah. And even though that is is
even though that this is not just like a saying
saying
idea whatever you're doing whatever
you're thinking whether people are
around you or you are
alone just imagine there is one who
always sees what you're doing.
So live your life based on that.
also.
Who else is it? It is the elevated
version of you. But it's true. It's you
and you.
Once I've shone a light on that area of
me, so I have greater awareness of its
existence and it's now transparent.
Is it a case then of what is the work I
then have to do to make a change in that
in that context? So, we're talking here
about managing one's emotions and
getting a grip of one's emotions so you
can avoid being triggered or
perpetrating the same patterns in your
life that have led you to the same
outcomes. First, you you believe that
it's possible to to change. You gain a
greater awareness of the parts of
yourself that you've kept in the dark
that you might want to change. And then
what does one do from there? Because I
came let's say from this martial art
field. Yes. Also meaning the Dao is
teaching or the principles of yin and
there. Let me put it like this.
Whatever you are
doing
has a
consequence. So this consequence that
you have created or that you are
create, ask
yourself what is that consequence
actually? Does it make you yourself?
Does it make your being, your
interaction with
people, does it make it feel more
light, more pleasurable, more enjoying, more
free, more
nourishing? Or is the result that you
are about to
create going in the other direction?
Meaning you're nourishing conflict. You
are nourishing aggression. Feeling like
you are carrying the suffering of the
world on your shoulder. Feeling like
there's a burden on you. Feeling like
there's a stone on your heart. Feeling
like you're being put under pressure.
See all of these expressions have
something to do with density. Have
something to do with
with
pressure. Yeah. But then when we look at
no matter which tradition it is, Buddhism,
Buddhism, enlightenment,
enlightenment, freedom,
freedom,
liberation, elevation, no matter what it
is. You see, it is just two forces in the
the
world. Two forces in the world. One
aiming for
limitlessness and the other one aiming
for restricting and very clear
boundaries. These are the two forces.
forces.
So, and this is exactly now turning the
view upon
yourself. What are you made out of? Your
your patterns, the emotional states that
follow you within a
week. Within a week, looking back the
last week, what was the most dominating
emotion you felt inside yourself? Was it
one that had the character of limiting
yourself in a way or were you in an
emotional state like through the week it
was light it was liberated free
uplifting joyful which of these so and
this simply gives you exactly from what
to what do I think you need to transform
yourself if you want
this if you want this. So,
So,
and why do I think that this is the
goal? Lightness. Lightness. Let's just
imagine after this
conversation, your best friend or your
best girlfriend going to ask you, so how
was this
conversation? And even so that we are
maybe just talking 3 hours, four hours.
Even if you spend two days long
explaining to your best friend how this
conversation was, it's not the
truth. How is this conversation? How is
this conversation? Even right now, we
cannot even speak about
it. I tell you how this conversation
this? You only you will be the only one ever
ever
knowing how this
is. It doesn't matter who's going to ask
you afterwards what you're going to tell
them. You want to feel it, you need to
experience it. There is no other way.
And this is the this is the nature of
words. This is why these these ancient
stories come. For example, one master
and his student walk up on the mountain
early in the morning. Then the sun rises
up and then the student says, "Oh,
master, what a beautiful sunrise." And
then like the master like slaps him and
never takes him to a walk uh anymore.
Then you say, "Why was the teacher so
hard to him?
Because in the moment where you give
something that you
experience a
word, you limit its
its
nature. You you you naturally limit its
nature. So how does this now translate
into into what we can do with this knowledge?
Whatever is being dense and it's
way I think everything for us to
practice is look beyond
limitations look beyond the
words look beyond the shape practice to
look beyond the superficiality of
things because this is where the meaning
lies or this is
where part of
the part of the realization lies.
I think in my life I I want to be light,
but the way that my life tends to
operate is I might aspire for that, but
then I fall into almost a bit of an
autopilot and I run the same pattern
throughout the week and the same I
respond in the same ways to the same
external external stim stimulus. So
although might one might aspire to be
freer and to be less agitated or to be
you know all those things I quickly fall
back into my old path my old autopilot
because life does seem to come at me
pretty quickly. Um if I look at my
calendar it's just full every day. So, I
wake up and like I woke up this morning
and I'm like with one eye open looking
at my phone schedule to figure out like
what day it is and what that means and
what I have to do and what's just
happened and oh, the podcast has gone
out and I've got this email from this
person and there's my calendar or when
I'm late for by 20 minutes and although
I might have the day before said to
myself that this week we're going to be
joyful and light and free, it feels like
the week hits me like a truck and then
boom, autopilot.
So our goal is set in a way and now
comes the next realization. Just because
your goal is set doesn't mean this life
is going to give you exactly what you're
meaning you really must make sure how
important is that goal really for
you because yeah I
uh I I witness it in my life as well. So
at some point I you know when it started
become a lot public you know the
calendar went full and at some point I
said to myself okay now it's becoming
too full let's start to let's start to
settle down a bit let's start to stay a
little bit more in the background. Yeah.
But then still like requests coming in
still and then you were think ah come
this one still. Yeah. But ultimately
it's really up to you how much do you
really want it and it is going to continue like this until you will
continue like this until you will ultimately come to the
ultimately come to the point and it's going to come quickly I
point and it's going to come quickly I do think
yeah where you realize for yourself that that it's an
that it's an infinite that it's that it's an infinite
infinite that it's that it's an infinite direction of possibible abilities. They
direction of possibible abilities. They will never run out. But you will still
will never run out. But you will still have to figure out what is it that you
have to figure out what is it that you really want from your
really want from your life. People will say, "Well, I want to
life. People will say, "Well, I want to have a mansion and I would like to have
have a mansion and I would like to have a private jet and I would like to have
a private jet and I would like to have a beautiful partner or I'd like to have
a beautiful partner or I'd like to have a
trophy." Valid. Absolutely understandable as well.
understandable as well. But I do think that this
But I do think that this universe is going to let you realize
universe is going to let you realize your lesson in the way how you need
it. Yeah. You're going to have your mansion. You're going to have your
mansion. You're going to have your beautiful, beautiful wife. You're going
beautiful, beautiful wife. You're going to have it all. There is something
to have it all. There is something that's going to put you back on
that's going to put you back on track. There is something that's going
track. There is something that's going to put you back on track. Telling you,
to put you back on track. Telling you, you need to readjust.
why it has always been like this. We come with
this. We come with nothing. We go with
nothing. We go with nothing. What does it
nothing. What does it mean? This universe is going to make
mean? This universe is going to make sure that you going to go with nothing.
sure that you going to go with nothing. Which means at some point before it's
Which means at some point before it's time for you to go, you will be faced
time for you to go, you will be faced with the fact of learning the necessity
with the fact of learning the necessity of letting go of what you have attained
of letting go of what you have attained in this
in this lifetime. And if you have not learned
lifetime. And if you have not learned and have not understood that this is
and have not understood that this is going to
going to come, then I think it's a very very hard
come, then I think it's a very very hard awakening. It's a very painful
awakening. It's a very painful awakening to realize to have this
awakening to realize to have this realization that you have spent 70
realization that you have spent 70 years 80 years following your goal and
years 80 years following your goal and now there is no other choice. You have
now there is no other choice. You have to let
to let go.
go. So
So yeah is not my
yeah is not my invention is just my observation.
invention is just my observation. And this is why in now maybe let's jump
And this is why in now maybe let's jump a little bit there are literally in the
a little bit there are literally in the ancient traditions in the text of chan
ancient traditions in the text of chan Buddhism Zen Buddhism is very simply
Buddhism Zen Buddhism is very simply said like this. How do you know that you
said like this. How do you know that you have practiced this past this tradition
have practiced this past this tradition in a in
in a in a in a decent
a in a decent manner? It is simply
manner? It is simply by feeling inside yourself how easy, how
by feeling inside yourself how easy, how willing are you actually to let go of
willing are you actually to let go of what you
have. If you feel that you are mentally attached to still things, still mentally
attached to still things, still mentally attached to
attached to possession, you're far you're you're far
possession, you're far you're you're far away from from the state of being what
away from from the state of being what this chan Buddhism, what this chan
this chan Buddhism, what this chan teaching is uh wanting to like reveal to
teaching is uh wanting to like reveal to you.
you. What it also means is if you have the
What it also means is if you have the possibility of attaining everything that
possibility of attaining everything that you were speaking
you were speaking about, you are absolutely happy to do
about, you are absolutely happy to do so. You are you can own
so. You are you can own everything. It's never about promoting
everything. It's never about promoting to have this is not good. No, but to
to have this is not good. No, but to have attachment at least in this type of
have attachment at least in this type of tradition will have consequence.
tradition will have consequence. So it's not about what is it that you
So it's not about what is it that you possess. It's
possess. It's about what of these possessions are
about what of these possessions are possessing
possessing you. That's it. And therefore, is it
you. That's it. And therefore, is it possible to possess things and to pursue
possible to possess things and to pursue the possession of things while
the possession of things while also having a relationship with them
also having a relationship with them where they don't possess you? I.e. Can I
where they don't possess you? I.e. Can I go in pursuit of getting a what's
go in pursuit of getting a what's something that one might want? A sports
something that one might want? A sports car. And is it possible to then have the
car. And is it possible to then have the sports car and pursue it without it
sports car and pursue it without it possessing me and therefore me avoiding
possessing me and therefore me avoiding the consequences that come with that
the consequences that come with that unhealthy relationship to
possession. Cuz in your life there must be things that you're pursuing and you
be things that you're pursuing and you get those things. So your book sells a
get those things. So your book sells a million copies. your YouTube channel
million copies. your YouTube channel does exceptionally well. You pursued
does exceptionally well. You pursued those things. Let's start with a sports
those things. Let's start with a sports car. Okay. Um
car. Okay. Um it depends on the rest of the
it depends on the rest of the circumstances. So, let me put it like
circumstances. So, let me put it like this. If the salary that you have, for
this. If the salary that you have, for example, is just as much that you can
example, is just as much that you can pay your rent. Nevertheless, you want to
pay your rent. Nevertheless, you want to have that sports car. Therefore, take a
have that sports car. Therefore, take a loan, then buy the sports car. It's very
loan, then buy the sports car. It's very probable you're going to be very
probable you're going to be very attached to the car. Yeah. Simply
attached to the car. Yeah. Simply because out of the out of the situation
because out of the out of the situation you bought it from. Yeah. You didn't buy
you bought it from. Yeah. You didn't buy it from a from a position of abundance.
it from a from a position of abundance. Yeah. So this is already not a good
Yeah. So this is already not a good starting point to afford something that
starting point to afford something that you actually cannot afford. So
you actually cannot afford. So differently it is
differently it is when you have the
when you have the possibilities and you just spend the
possibilities and you just spend the time and spend also the money on the
time and spend also the money on the sports car and see it what it is and
sports car and see it what it is and realistically see it what how much time
realistically see it what how much time you let's say spend with it. I do think
you let's say spend with it. I do think the excitement in the beginning is there
the excitement in the beginning is there for a week, maybe a month, that's
for a week, maybe a month, that's already long, but it's fading. And at
already long, but it's fading. And at some point, there will even be a day you
some point, there will even be a day you don't even see it cuz you're busy. Then
don't even see it cuz you're busy. Then there will be a week when you see the
there will be a week when you see the car once standing around somewhere. And
car once standing around somewhere. And then there will be a months passing by
then there will be a months passing by where you are traveling the world and
where you are traveling the world and you're not even sure anymore when was it
you're not even sure anymore when was it the last time that you were riding it.
the last time that you were riding it. So, and these are things like when you
So, and these are things like when you observe them and actually realize yeah
observe them and actually realize yeah it's the truth. This is how the how the
it's the truth. This is how the how the development of things with possessions
development of things with possessions is in the beginning it's always like you
is in the beginning it's always like you want to have you want to have and then
want to have you want to have and then they
they fade.
fade. go and diving into this type of
go and diving into this type of mentality of really
mentality of really understanding wanting. Wanting is the
understanding wanting. Wanting is the one part and then realizing how is life
one part and then realizing how is life really. Do you need it? Is it necessary?
really. Do you need it? Is it necessary? Can you afford it is the second part. It
Can you afford it is the second part. It just opens another perspective and then
just opens another perspective and then you just decide for
you just decide for yourself. Yeah. But so whether something
yourself. Yeah. But so whether something is possessing you or you can possess
is possessing you or you can possess something without being attached to it
something without being attached to it very much is linked to all of
very much is linked to all of this. From which position did you buy it
this. From which position did you buy it from? Did you attain it from? And then
from? Did you attain it from? And then the second thing is how much time do you
the second thing is how much time do you literally really spend with it? The
literally really spend with it? The second of the five hindrances is ill
second of the five hindrances is ill will. A negative emotion such as dislike
will. A negative emotion such as dislike stops you from chasing a goal.
stops you from chasing a goal. Can you give me some context on this
Can you give me some context on this one? What do you mean by ill will?
Look, it's I make it super simple when it comes to the five hindrances
it comes to the five hindrances literally is like
this. No, whatever whatever appears in our
our life. If I have my goal set right now,
life. If I have my goal set right now, what you are not supposed to do is to
what you are not supposed to do is to witness
witness something. And now if you have like the
something. And now if you have like the number one sensual desire, sensory
number one sensual desire, sensory desire, what we tend to do is we like
desire, what we tend to do is we like start to pull things towards
start to pull things towards us. Okay, that's number one. The second
us. Okay, that's number one. The second thing, what not to do, this is what it
thing, what not to do, this is what it all belongs to that family of
all belongs to that family of non-judgment is like when ill will
non-judgment is like when ill will something appears in your life.
something appears in your life. Something you witness. Yeah. You meet a
Something you witness. Yeah. You meet a person you don't want to meet. You get a
person you don't want to meet. You get a message, you don't want to read that
message, you don't want to read that message. whatever it is and you try to
message. whatever it is and you try to avoid it by doing actions in order to
avoid it by doing actions in order to push it away from you. So what it
push it away from you. So what it ultimately means is don't do any of them
ultimately means is don't do any of them because whatever you try to hold on to
because whatever you try to hold on to the nature of thing is that this is
the nature of thing is that this is happening swinging away. is going to
happening swinging away. is going to move away from you and whatever you try
move away from you and whatever you try to avoid and push away from you is just
to avoid and push away from you is just a question of time
a question of time until it's going to move like pretty
until it's going to move like pretty close towards you. It's going to come
close towards you. It's going to come towards you. It's going to come towards
towards you. It's going to come towards you.
you. Okay? So that
means also in the way of how it's expressed, don't touch the
expressed, don't touch the water. If you don't want to
water. If you don't want to have a life that is too
have a life that is too shaky, don't touch the
shaky, don't touch the water because in the moment you touch,
water because in the moment you touch, your touch is the initiation for the
your touch is the initiation for the ripples to appear.
ripples to appear. Same way you want to follow that goal.
Same way you want to follow that goal. You want to have it easy along that
You want to have it easy along that goal. Don't touch any additional water
goal. Don't touch any additional water along your goal. Don't touch it because
along your goal. Don't touch it because you like something and don't touch it
you like something and don't touch it because you dislike something because
because you dislike something because when you walk towards the goal and you
when you walk towards the goal and you do here and here and here, you you're
do here and here and here, you you're just going to ripple your whole
just going to ripple your whole surroundings which ultimately means your
surroundings which ultimately means your energy is being just drawn away from
energy is being just drawn away from your initial goal. That's how I would
your initial goal. That's how I would say it is an ill will is one of these
say it is an ill will is one of these expressions of you don't like something
expressions of you don't like something and then you invest the energy there.
and then you invest the energy there. You like something and it draws your
You like something and it draws your energy back to there. And ill will is
energy back to there. And ill will is similar in this category belonging to
similar in this category belonging to this idea
this idea of don't push, don't pull. as you've
of don't push, don't pull. as you've become more popular and you've got
become more popular and you've got millions and millions of views across
millions and millions of views across the internet. Your TED talk, I think
the internet. Your TED talk, I think from the link, one of the links that I
from the link, one of the links that I saw had some 20 million views and it
saw had some 20 million views and it probably has tens of more millions of
probably has tens of more millions of views all over the internet. Um, there's
views all over the internet. Um, there's going to be more and more
going to be more and more people sending you messages, interacting
people sending you messages, interacting with you,
with you, and saying amazing things, saying not so
and saying amazing things, saying not so amazing things. We experienced this
amazing things. We experienced this obviously as a podcaster. you just you
obviously as a podcaster. you just you get you receive all kinds of feedback
get you receive all kinds of feedback from everybody. When you think about how
from everybody. When you think about how you manage that and you manage other
you manage that and you manage other people's opinion of you does this tie
people's opinion of you does this tie into ill will and I guess the ultimate
into ill will and I guess the ultimate question is do you care what people
question is do you care what people think about you? So there was a time I
think about you? So there was a time I cared a lot a lot a lot a lot very much
cared a lot a lot a lot a lot very much but within the last five six years I
but within the last five six years I really had my hard lessons being
really had my hard lessons being perfectly honest. Number one thing I
perfectly honest. Number one thing I need to learn is also to
need to learn is also to really not take things too deep into
really not take things too deep into consideration especially from people
consideration especially from people that I've never met in my life. Number
that I've never met in my life. Number one that is the first area I needed to
one that is the first area I needed to learn which means all the everything
learn which means all the everything that's on social media everything that
that's on social media everything that is publicly available. This is one thing
is publicly available. This is one thing why because what they judge or if they
why because what they judge or if they judge or what they comment they can only
judge or what they comment they can only comment on the character that is
comment on the character that is actually being available to them. So
actually being available to them. So which is ultimately what which is for
which is ultimately what which is for example also let's say that
example also let's say that person yeah named Shuhungi on that cover
person yeah named Shuhungi on that cover always like having a good uniform in a
always like having a good uniform in a way representing something
way representing something yes but I'm simply not limited to only
yes but I'm simply not limited to only this type of
this type of representation and this is something
representation and this is something really really important in general now
really really important in general now to to bring out there to the
world. It is not it is not good. It is not
helpful if this idea of putting people on on how you call it on on higher
on on how you call it on on higher pedestal or or podest is not a good
pedestal or or podest is not a good idea.
idea. The idea of raising somebody up to be
The idea of raising somebody up to be our guru, raising somebody up to be our
our guru, raising somebody up to be our master, raising somebody up, oh yes, he
master, raising somebody up, oh yes, he is the he is the special one. All of
is the he is the special one. All of these
these things are doing exactly the opposite of
things are doing exactly the opposite of what I'm trying to bring into the world
what I'm trying to bring into the world of what I do believe is the key
of what I do believe is the key especially in this times right now
especially in this times right now worldwide. It is to become aware of the
worldwide. It is to become aware of the real and the
real and the fake. This is the this is the current
fake. This is the this is the current situation that we're in that the
situation that we're in that the threshold that the line between whether
threshold that the line between whether something is real or whether something
something is real or whether something is artificial or not real. It's becoming
is artificial or not real. It's becoming so
so incredibly slim that
incredibly slim that line. This is why at the moment our
line. This is why at the moment our world seems seems so
world seems seems so fractioned. There are the ones which are
fractioned. There are the ones which are completely about let's go into the
completely about let's go into the nature and then there's the other
nature and then there's the other fraction which is all about going into
fraction which is all about going into the technology into everything that's
the technology into everything that's available nowadays where ultimately
available nowadays where ultimately meaning at some point you will be able
meaning at some point you will be able to just spend your whole life in your
to just spend your whole life in your living room cuz everything you want to
living room cuz everything you want to see and want to partially experience you
see and want to partially experience you just call it into your living room. It's
just call it into your living room. It's going to be possible at some point in
going to be possible at some point in time.
time. So why how do we get to the point? Yeah,
So why how do we get to the point? Yeah, exactly. Because of this, it's not good
exactly. Because of this, it's not good if people raise you up and make you
if people raise you up and make you unhuman. And this is what is being
unhuman. And this is what is being attacked. So this is number one. That
attacked. So this is number one. That takes a little bit the pressure off from
takes a little bit the pressure off from me to take it too seriously because I
me to take it too seriously because I just know they are seeing something but
just know they are seeing something but it's a fraction of what I am. This
it's a fraction of what I am. This number
number one second realization at the same time
was also not helpful or wasn't helpful and or let's say was also a lesson for
and or let's say was also a lesson for me even the close people even the very
me even the close people even the very close people in my surrounding that
close people in my surrounding that stayed with me for 8 n
stayed with me for 8 n years sometimes even such close people
years sometimes even such close people don't know who you are can also happen
don't know who you are can also happen hurts double as much as people saying
hurts double as much as people saying something about you that don't know you.
something about you that don't know you. Now you have people that you thought
Now you have people that you thought know you and still they didn't get you.
know you and still they didn't get you. Also very
Also very painful. So ultimately leading only to
painful. So ultimately leading only to one thing. It only leads to one thing.
one thing. It only leads to one thing. You would have right now the impression
You would have right now the impression of so what's the only way? Just go your
of so what's the only way? Just go your way regardless of what people think in a
way regardless of what people think in a way. Yes.
them and and no ill will against them. Have empathy for their lack of
Have empathy for their lack of understanding.
understanding. Yes, that is ultimately the only thing
Yes, that is ultimately the only thing that me as a as a result for the current
that me as a as a result for the current state of
state of being the that I took as my consequence.
being the that I took as my consequence. Yes. So be careful, be very aware who
Yes. So be careful, be very aware who are you letting into your
are you letting into your circle and ultimately rely on yourself
circle and ultimately rely on yourself and maintain
your sorry to say, but it's the heart. Maintain the purity of your
heart. Maintain the purity of your intention. One of the things that I've
intention. One of the things that I've I've noticed in your work is that you
I've noticed in your work is that you have this huge emphasis on being able to
have this huge emphasis on being able to focus oneself. And when I talked to you
focus oneself. And when I talked to you about this brick, I think just before we
about this brick, I think just before we started recording, you said to me that
started recording, you said to me that the average person on the street might
the average person on the street might not be able to break it. But if someone
not be able to break it. But if someone was really, really strong, they might be
was really, really strong, they might be able to break it. However, the key to
able to break it. However, the key to breaking this brick isn't strength
breaking this brick isn't strength necessarily. It's the ability to really
necessarily. It's the ability to really really focus. And when we talked about
really focus. And when we talked about the five hindrances, they will sway us
the five hindrances, they will sway us from focus. They will distract us from
from focus. They will distract us from that ability to focus. So, you've
that ability to focus. So, you've cultivated that ability to focus, which
cultivated that ability to focus, which culminates in you being able to smash
culminates in you being able to smash this brick with your hand. And it's not
this brick with your hand. And it's not necessarily a strength thing you're
necessarily a strength thing you're saying. It is this connection between
saying. It is this connection between mind and body focused at a particular
mind and body focused at a particular moment. Yes. So can you show me you
moment. Yes. So can you show me you smashing this brick? Absolutely.
Do you do you put the the brick in the in the middle of the blocks or do you
in the middle of the blocks or do you just put it there? Put it like this. Oh.
just put it there? Put it like this. Oh. So okay. Okay. So chop it down on one
So okay. Okay. So chop it down on one side. Okay.
side. Okay. Do you have another brick? Yes. There's
Do you have another brick? Yes. There's another one
another one here. You're going to pick your brick.
hell. [Applause]
[Applause] [Laughter]
[Laughter] Damn. So, what were you doing then in
Damn. So, what were you doing then in the in the leadup to that? Just have
the in the leadup to that? Just have your hands like here to the front.
your hands like here to the front. If I touch you like this and only do
If I touch you like this and only do here. Yeah. M see this like I don't have
here. Yeah. M see this like I don't have a good feeling for you. I don't have a
a good feeling for you. I don't have a good feeling for your body. Yeah.
good feeling for your body. Yeah. Because it's like it's superficial right
Because it's like it's superficial right now. Mhm. What I do is like when I touch
you know so it's not this type of touching you. When I touch you I
touching you. When I touch you I literally try to sense your body
literally try to sense your body structure. Yeah. I I feel like inside
structure. Yeah. I I feel like inside you where is the tension? Where's the
you where is the tension? Where's the relaxation inside the
relaxation inside the body? So it's like we call it I'm
body? So it's like we call it I'm reading your
reading your body. I'm reading your body. How is it
body. I'm reading your body. How is it where is the energy locked? Where is it
where is the energy locked? Where is it dense? Where is it loose? So the same I
dense? Where is it loose? So the same I do with the
do with the stone. But when I when I touch the
stone. But when I when I touch the stone, I literally feel inside like
stone, I literally feel inside like sounds funny, but I feel inside the
sounds funny, but I feel inside the structure of the of the stone. I feel
structure of the of the stone. I feel the density of the stone in my
the density of the stone in my fingers and then I just see okay
fingers and then I just see okay [Music]
[Music] now. So I I I know how the energy is
now. So I I I know how the energy is going to come down. I know how the
going to come down. I know how the energy is going to come down and then I
energy is going to come down and then I just like see how does it fit together.
just like see how does it fit together. So on the one side I feel the structure
So on the one side I feel the structure of the stone. On the other side I know
of the stone. On the other side I know what type of energy is going to come in.
what type of energy is going to come in. Those two I combine and then I just boom
Those two I combine and then I just boom do it.
do it. That's it. And how does that translate
That's it. And how does that translate to life generally?
to life generally? Good question. Because we, you know,
Good question. Because we, you know, it's not a problem I have day-to-day,
it's not a problem I have day-to-day, but that ability to understand the
but that ability to understand the energy of something and the structure of
energy of something and the structure of something and then really understand be
something and then really understand be able to cultivate your own focused
able to cultivate your own focused energy when you need it.
I do. So, do you need to have this ability to live a proper life? I don't
ability to live a proper life? I don't think so. But somebody who is able to
think so. But somebody who is able to break the stone like this definitely
break the stone like this definitely possesses some type of skill set raises
possesses some type of skill set raises the probability that you can do
the probability that you can do something with that mindset in your
something with that mindset in your daily life. Which means already
daily life. Which means already um the only way to do this is you know
um the only way to do this is you know what consistency
what consistency means. You know what patience
means. You know what patience means. Yeah. you also knows what like
means. Yeah. you also knows what like endurance means or
endurance means or like training means and all of these
like training means and all of these character attributes that make it
character attributes that make it possible to break the stone just also
possible to break the stone just also builds the foundation I would say to
builds the foundation I would say to integrate this now into other areas of
integrate this now into other areas of life yeah so it's not about the breaking
life yeah so it's not about the breaking of the stone but at the same time it's
of the stone but at the same time it's also an expression of look the human
also an expression of look the human your body is capable of doing a lot of
your body is capable of doing a lot of things. Yeah. And this is just one of
things. Yeah. And this is just one of them. There are so many extraordinary
them. There are so many extraordinary abilities that people can do nowadays,
abilities that people can do nowadays, but all of them have one thing in
but all of them have one thing in common. You have a vision and you find a
common. You have a vision and you find a proper way how to nourish that vision
proper way how to nourish that vision that the vision becomes
that the vision becomes real. Similar like this.
real. Similar like this. So this is a consequence of
So this is a consequence of yes a long journey of several character
yes a long journey of several character traits and attributes which you've
traits and attributes which you've cultivated over a long period of time
cultivated over a long period of time and this is just a a symptom or a
and this is just a a symptom or a consequence of those things. You know
consequence of those things. You know that's that's exactly the thing similar
that's that's exactly the thing similar like you know when yeah when nowadays
like you know when yeah when nowadays you look at any type of competition
you look at any type of competition sports the event itself the competition
sports the event itself the competition is being recorded that one minute
is being recorded that one minute performance.
performance. Yeah. Or that nine rings or that three
Yeah. Or that nine rings or that three three minutes. Yeah. Yeah. But
three minutes. Yeah. Yeah. But everything that makes it possible for
everything that makes it possible for them to perform in that one minute on
them to perform in that one minute on that show. Nobody sees what is lying in
that show. Nobody sees what is lying in front of there. Similar like this. Yeah.
front of there. Similar like this. Yeah. It's it's it's with less than one second
It's it's it's with less than one second the stone is broken. Yeah. But took like
the stone is broken. Yeah. But took like a few years to be able to do that one
a few years to be able to do that one second. And how long would it take me to
second. And how long would it take me to learn how to do two bricks like you just
learn how to do two bricks like you just did then? How long do you think you
did then? How long do you think you would have to spend training me? You're
would have to spend training me? You're looking at my hand. M because it's
looking at my hand. M because it's important because it's literally not
important because it's literally not only about um it's not just about the
only about um it's not just about the focus of the mind. It literally is also
focus of the mind. It literally is also about building the density now
about building the density now physically speaking the density of the
physically speaking the density of the bone structure. So I I can just give you
bone structure. So I I can just give you if you like a a little
if you like a a little example. What we do is this part and
example. What we do is this part and this part of the arm we just smash it
this part of the arm we just smash it like this. Oh my gosh. This is like a So
like this. Oh my gosh. This is like a So like this. Okay. Okay. You just try like
like this. Okay. Okay. You just try like one just go really. Oh my
one just go really. Oh my god. Your yours is like a steel.
god. Your yours is like a steel. Yeah. And and this is what it is.
Yeah. And and this is what it is. Yeah. So it is changing you if you want.
Yeah. So it is changing you if you want. You can like touch. You can feel it's
You can like touch. You can feel it's Yeah. It's like steel. Mine's like um
polyyrene in comparison to that. But well, yours just feels like steel. It
well, yours just feels like steel. It felt like I was hitting a a a bar or
felt like I was hitting a a a bar or something. Okay. So, you've got to build
something. Okay. So, you've got to build up the strength. But still, to answer
up the strength. But still, to answer the question, I do
the question, I do think 3 months, but dedicated training.
think 3 months, but dedicated training. Yeah. Mhm. And what would that training
Yeah. Mhm. And what would that training look like? So right now as I explained
look like? So right now as I explained before this is why I also like in the
before this is why I also like in the book I mentioned one of the grandmasters
book I mentioned one of the grandmasters that I also learn a lot of the methods
that I also learn a lot of the methods from this is now let's say it's a stone
from this is now let's say it's a stone yeah stone belonging to the family of
yeah stone belonging to the family of earth because okay earth now in a in
earth because okay earth now in a in Asian tradition we have like the five
Asian tradition we have like the five elements or the five transition phases
elements or the five transition phases wood earth metal fire water like these
wood earth metal fire water like these five elements So the proper training
five elements So the proper training starts with the so-called wood training.
starts with the so-called wood training. Okay. So we are using a lot of wooden
Okay. So we are using a lot of wooden material to actually condition our body.
material to actually condition our body. Yeah. So you're not going to break
Yeah. So you're not going to break stones. You you break like first of all
stones. You you break like first of all wooden things. Mhm. After wood is no
wooden things. Mhm. After wood is no problem for you. Then we go to the next
problem for you. Then we go to the next layer which is going to be stone. You
layer which is going to be stone. You know this was this was this one for
know this was this was this one for example. After stone comes metal. And so
example. After stone comes metal. And so like this you we we go through all the
like this you we we go through all the layers until your body has increased in
layers until your body has increased in its abilities. You know the frequency of
its abilities. You know the frequency of wood, you know the frequency of stone,
wood, you know the frequency of stone, you know the frequency and vibration of
you know the frequency and vibration of metal. And this is how we increase our
metal. And this is how we increase our ability to just uh be able to to to
ability to just uh be able to to to actually maintain our strength in the
actually maintain our strength in the field of all five elements. You can
field of all five elements. You can break metal
break metal or you can hit metal. You can hit metal.
or you can hit metal. You can hit metal. You can hit metal. Okay. You can hit
You can hit metal. Okay. You can hit metal. Thank you. Fascinating. Thank
metal. Thank you. Fascinating. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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a lot about these um
virtues in Shaolon tradition. Virtues are a guiding system in both martial
are a guiding system in both martial arts and daily life. The Shaolin warrior
arts and daily life. The Shaolin warrior practices thinking deliberately and
practices thinking deliberately and mindfully about the virtues of everyday
mindfully about the virtues of everyday life for his or her life. And the there
life for his or her life. And the there are two categories of virtues. the
are two categories of virtues. the virtues to be expected and the virtues
virtues to be expected and the virtues to be
to be leared. What are these virtues that you
leared. What are these virtues that you speak about in the Shaolon tradition?
Prior to somebody entering now let's say into the temple and wants to learn from
into the temple and wants to learn from there. First of all we also as teachers
there. First of all we also as teachers want to find
want to find out what does the character of that
out what does the character of that personality already
personality already possesses. Yeah. And these are for
possesses. Yeah. And these are for example what we are looking for are
example what we are looking for are ultimately the virtues to be
ultimately the virtues to be expected. Virtues to be expected are for
expected. Virtues to be expected are for example self-control. A certain amount
example self-control. A certain amount of
of self-control, a certain amount of
self-control, a certain amount of discipline. So self-control, what does
discipline. So self-control, what does that mean in this context? If I'm
that mean in this context? If I'm self-controlled, what am I? You don't
self-controlled, what am I? You don't let your emotions run over you. Okay?
let your emotions run over you. Okay? You you you don't even if something
You you you don't even if something makes you angry but in this context it's
makes you angry but in this context it's not honorable it's not respectful to now
not honorable it's not respectful to now shout out you shouldn't do it okay you
shout out you shouldn't do it okay you should like be able to maintain
should like be able to maintain your emotional states maintain your
your emotional states maintain your temper let's say also at least to a
temper let's say also at least to a certain extent this is where I would say
certain extent this is where I would say it comes to self-control and the second
it comes to self-control and the second one you said was discipline so
one you said was discipline so discipline
discipline meaning you have like I said even if
meaning you have like I said even if it's called the virtues to be expected
it's called the virtues to be expected expected means they should be visible
expected means they should be visible somehow but not to the fullest extent to
somehow but not to the fullest extent to to what's what people are capable of
to what's what people are capable of okay discipline just meaning this
okay discipline just meaning this understanding that if you come to the
understanding that if you come to the temple life you know it's going to be
temple life you know it's going to be difficult to wake up every day at the
difficult to wake up every day at the same time and then start to do through
same time and then start to do through the go through the daily structure. So
the go through the daily structure. So it it needs some type of commitment.
it it needs some type of commitment. Let's say it needs some type of I know
Let's say it needs some type of I know it's hard but I'm willing to do it. This
it's hard but I'm willing to do it. This type of discipline. Yeah. This is also
type of discipline. Yeah. This is also in a in a way expected. And then uh
in a in a way expected. And then uh another one is simply to be benevolent
another one is simply to be benevolent as well.
as well. So that's kindness and compassion for
So that's kindness and compassion for your brothers and sisters. Kind of it
your brothers and sisters. Kind of it goes. Yeah. The virtues sometimes swim
goes. Yeah. The virtues sometimes swim into each other. But this idea of why do
into each other. But this idea of why do we have these virtues in the first
place and again it's like in Star Wars the force what you're
Wars the force what you're learning the cultivation of
learning the cultivation of energy the skills that you are learning
energy the skills that you are learning they are these are very very powerful
they are these are very very powerful things. Yeah. But what does what makes
things. Yeah. But what does what makes the difference between somebody
the difference between somebody possessing this power and using it for
possessing this power and using it for the sake of humanity or somebody using
the sake of humanity or somebody using it for the um for the not betterment of
it for the um for the not betterment of humanity. It's the
humanity. It's the character. The power is the same. It's
character. The power is the same. It's the character. It's the carrier of the
the character. It's the carrier of the power. It's the one who is in
power. It's the one who is in in who's responsible to to hold this
in who's responsible to to hold this power to maintain this power. That one
power to maintain this power. That one must be trained as well. And this is
must be trained as well. And this is where the virtues hit in. The virtues
where the virtues hit in. The virtues are building the framework of the
are building the framework of the character of the avatar ultimately that
character of the avatar ultimately that is then receiving all different types
is then receiving all different types of training, skill training that we that
of training, skill training that we that at least in the Shaolin tradition we
at least in the Shaolin tradition we would say is good to know them. Same in
would say is good to know them. Same in business really. I looked at a lot of
business really. I looked at a lot of these virtues and I thought they're all
these virtues and I thought they're all the kinds of things that we're looking
the kinds of things that we're looking for in a good team member. So we've got
for in a good team member. So we've got discipline, self-control, modesty,
discipline, self-control, modesty, benevolence, humility, respect,
benevolence, humility, respect, righteousness, trust, loyalty,
righteousness, trust, loyalty, willpower, perseverance, persistence,
willpower, perseverance, persistence, courage, and
courage, and patience. So ultimately, like I said
patience. So ultimately, like I said before, in the Shaolin traditional text
before, in the Shaolin traditional text is broken down into 14 different
is broken down into 14 different virtues. Yeah. Four of them to be
virtues. Yeah. Four of them to be expected. Another five virtues of
expected. Another five virtues of action. Another five virtues of the
action. Another five virtues of the mind. Just simply when you will later on
mind. Just simply when you will later on fly through it again. The virtues of
fly through it again. The virtues of action. What does it mean virtues of
action. What does it mean virtues of action? It is how should you behave? How
action? It is how should you behave? How should you
should you behave? Behave in a loyal
behave? Behave in a loyal way. Behave in a trustful way. Behave in
way. Behave in a trustful way. Behave in a respectful
a respectful way. Behave in a courageous way. Yeah.
way. Behave in a courageous way. Yeah. So this is the how should you do
So this is the how should you do something and the virtues of mind. For
something and the virtues of mind. For example, they
example, they say what is it that nourishes the way
say what is it that nourishes the way for you to put the virtues of action
for you to put the virtues of action into practice? How can you be? How can
into practice? How can you be? How can you learn to behave respectfully?
you learn to behave respectfully? Because naturally if people like
Because naturally if people like insulting you, you don't behave
insulting you, you don't behave respectfully towards
respectfully towards them. Yeah. So how can you still behave
them. Yeah. So how can you still behave respectfully, still be loyal to
respectfully, still be loyal to people? How do you do it? Well, then
people? How do you do it? Well, then this is where where it then comes
this is where where it then comes to the virtues of the
to the virtues of the mind to really learn to be
patient to really know what does it mean to be
to be persistent to persevere during your
persistent to persevere during your training. Yeah. And this is ultimately
training. Yeah. And this is ultimately how I would describe it to easily
how I would describe it to easily understand. Do you believe in a god or
understand. Do you believe in a god or do you believe in a religion?
do you believe in a religion? If if someone asked you which religion
If if someone asked you which religion do you follow what would your answer be?
do you follow what would your answer be? I would call it the religion of
I would call it the religion of oneness. The religion of oneness. The
oneness. The religion of oneness. The religion of I do believe that we are
religion of I do believe that we are connected at some
connected at some way and it is my journey. I don't want
way and it is my journey. I don't want to just intellectualize it.
I do think it is an it is a it the path is to
is to lay out and remove all the friction and
lay out and remove all the friction and all the obstacles to just realize that
all the obstacles to just realize that it is like
it is like this. Yeah, this is maybe also like an a
this. Yeah, this is maybe also like an a very essential point along along the
very essential point along along the complete line whether somebody reads the
complete line whether somebody reads the book or whether somebody watches all
book or whether somebody watches all these type of YouTube
channels. I myself always grew up in the need to attain something to add
need to attain something to add something up on top of my life.
something up on top of my life. This tradition, the whole tradition I'm
This tradition, the whole tradition I'm talking about is actually quite the
talking about is actually quite the opposite. That's why in in the latest in
opposite. That's why in in the latest in the latest videos or publications for
the latest videos or publications for example, I often mention that actually
example, I often mention that actually there is nothing I can give to anyone.
there is nothing I can give to anyone. It's not that you miss something in your
It's not that you miss something in your life.
life. Yeah, remember you're not in a lack but
Yeah, remember you're not in a lack but in the moment where it feels like we are
in the moment where it feels like we are meeting and I give you something when
meeting and I give you something when you even think that I'm giving you
you even think that I'm giving you something and you are about to receive
something and you are about to receive something that's not the right state of
something that's not the right state of mind already. I have nothing to give
mind already. I have nothing to give you. The only thing that I really try to
you. The only thing that I really try to do is take stuff away from you.
do is take stuff away from you. Take things away from you that are
Take things away from you that are covering that you see that you are
covering that you see that you are complete. What things tend to cover us
complete. What things tend to cover us that need to be taken away? Everything
that need to be taken away? Everything that builds up
identity. Everything that builds up a stronger and stronger
stronger and stronger identity. Everything that you keep from
identity. Everything that you keep from the past in your mind.
the past in your mind. The more that you keep the past in the
The more that you keep the past in the mind, the stronger your identity is. I
mind, the stronger your identity is. I do think this is one correlation that
do think this is one correlation that also goes hand in
also goes hand in hand. The more you keep past elements
hand. The more you keep past elements inside your mind, the less likely you
inside your mind, the less likely you will be able to break free into the
will be able to break free into the future and open up for the possibilities
future and open up for the possibilities that this lifetime might still have for
that this lifetime might still have for you.
you. Are you
I'm not searching for happiness. I'm searching for peace.
happiness. I'm searching for peace. So my state of what what I'm aiming for
So my state of what what I'm aiming for I would say it is
peace because happiness for me yeah taking by this word if there's
me yeah taking by this word if there's happiness there is sadness if something
happiness there is sadness if something can rise something must
can rise something must fall if you can attain something there's
fall if you can attain something there's something to lose that's why it's
something to lose that's why it's difficult that's why I I stopped the
difficult that's why I I stopped the moment I don't know what type of
moment I don't know what type of happiness. You mean being satisfied with
happiness. You mean being satisfied with where I am standing? Yes. Does it mean
where I am standing? Yes. Does it mean that I don't have hard moments? I have
that I don't have hard moments? I have hard
hard moments. And that's why for me like what
moments. And that's why for me like what is it I ultimately look for? I would
is it I ultimately look for? I would call it is just peace. Are you at peace?
call it is just peace. Are you at peace? More and more. Yes. More and more. This
More and more. Yes. More and more. This one. Yes. More and more. What's in the
one. Yes. More and more. What's in the way of your peace?
I would call it karmic relations, karmic
relations, karmic connections that you just think
connections that you just think like you cannot avoid them. You you
like you cannot avoid them. You you cannot avoid them anymore. What is
cannot avoid them anymore. What is karmic
karmic connections? Karmic connection
meaning because your mother gave birth to you
to you automatically whatever your mother is
automatically whatever your mother is doing or not doing however the state of
doing or not doing however the state of health of your mother is is going to
health of your mother is is going to affect
affect you in a way. So there are sometimes
you in a way. So there are sometimes people in this world you have a closer
people in this world you have a closer karmic relation towards them. So what
karmic relation towards them. So what they are doing is also going to affect
they are doing is also going to affect you. So and in my case it's the
you. So and in my case it's the same. Yeah. So meaning so literally real
same. Yeah. So meaning so literally real life speaking. So my son Yes. He is a
life speaking. So my son Yes. He is a very strong karmic relation. He's on the
very strong karmic relation. He's on the one side my own flesh and blood together
one side my own flesh and blood together with my beloved. But it also means the
with my beloved. But it also means the way how my son feels it is affecting me.
way how my son feels it is affecting me. And this is something that I still need
And this is something that I still need to regulate. Learn to
regulate which also sometimes means I mean if you only sleep like 2 hours per
mean if you only sleep like 2 hours per night then it is like this
night then it is like this but you have good training to still
but you have good training to still maintain your peace afterwards. But it
maintain your peace afterwards. But it is these are simple things. Yes. And
is these are simple things. Yes. And what is your practice in terms of your
what is your practice in terms of your routines? What do you do every day that
routines? What do you do every day that brings you back to yourself so that you
brings you back to yourself so that you can regulate yourself? What is your from
can regulate yourself? What is your from the moment you wake up in the morning,
the moment you wake up in the morning, are there any routines that you try and
are there any routines that you try and execute every day?
execute every day? Number one
Number one is one of the first things is really try
is one of the first things is really try as often as you can to remind yourself
as often as you can to remind yourself and put yourself in that proper state of
and put yourself in that proper state of what you think you are.
what you think you are. I wake up and try to not already have
I wake up and try to not already have any type of thought from yesterday in my
any type of thought from yesterday in my mind. I try to wake up empty. Let's call
mind. I try to wake up empty. Let's call it like this. And meaning also try to at
it like this. And meaning also try to at all moments immerse myself as much as I
all moments immerse myself as much as I can in the present
can in the present moment. That's what it is. Yeah. Live in
moment. That's what it is. Yeah. Live in the here and now. How you do this? To
the here and now. How you do this? To live in the here and now. Stop jumping
live in the here and now. Stop jumping into the past and stop jumping into the
into the past and stop jumping into the future. Then you live in the here and
future. Then you live in the here and now. But you must practice
now. But you must practice it. And literally meaning how you do it,
it. And literally meaning how you do it, make yourself empty. Because the only
make yourself empty. Because the only thing that fills your mind with past and
thing that fills your mind with past and future is your
future is your thoughts. The mind.
thoughts. The mind. So if I watched you for the first hour
So if I watched you for the first hour when you woke up in the morning, what
when you woke up in the morning, what would I see on a on a typical day?
would I see on a on a typical day? I wake up and sit on the sofa and and
I wake up and sit on the sofa and and and still just
sit. So just being awake and and just breathe literally just realizing slowly
breathe literally just realizing slowly scanning my own body from the inside
scanning my own body from the inside going through the
going through the body. So really making sure in a way
body. So really making sure in a way that everything that's going to come up
that everything that's going to come up during this day is being perceived very
consciously. Yeah. By this. So it's like I slowly build up my energies prepared.
I slowly build up my energies prepared. This is how I would call it. It doesn't
This is how I would call it. It doesn't look very special looking from the
look very special looking from the outside. Unless I wake up and I
outside. Unless I wake up and I mean the sun is asking for something
mean the sun is asking for something then of course I have my duties to do.
then of course I have my duties to do. But if I can really have my day after
But if I can really have my day after waking up still the next hour is still I
waking up still the next hour is still I spend alone. This is what I prefer to
spend alone. This is what I prefer to do. And do you do exercise in the
do. And do you do exercise in the morning? Yes. What do you do? Push-ups,
morning? Yes. What do you do? Push-ups, sit-ups and standing practice. What
sit-ups and standing practice. What standing practice? No. Partially it's
standing practice? No. Partially it's also some of them are like mentioned in
also some of them are like mentioned in the book but literally it is what it
the book but literally it is what it sounds like. I choose one position that
sounds like. I choose one position that I'm standing in and then I hold that
I'm standing in and then I hold that position for 15 minutes.
position for 15 minutes. Why?
Why? So let's take all the spiritual part out
So let's take all the spiritual part out of this because there are some positions
of this because there are some positions that are looking
that are looking so
so strange that at some point I also asked
strange that at some point I also asked myself how would somebody even invest
myself how would somebody even invest his
his lifetime standing and putting yourself
lifetime standing and putting yourself through such a position. Well, there
through such a position. Well, there must be a reason why in ancient
must be a reason why in ancient times it is kept as
times it is kept as a as a secret practice to stay like
a as a secret practice to stay like this. And since I discovered it, I do
this. And since I discovered it, I do have to say that
have to say that um it's not this one. At some point, the
um it's not this one. At some point, the squatting monkey is
squatting monkey is called this is a practice that builds up
called this is a practice that builds up what we call energy.
what we call energy. How do you build up energy? It is by
How do you build up energy? It is by giving your mind something where you
giving your mind something where you need to have willpower to maintain
need to have willpower to maintain it.
it. Willpower and development of
Willpower and development of energy go hand in hand with each other.
energy go hand in hand with each other. The will to
The will to live, the will to keep going, the will,
live, the will to keep going, the will, the
the will, strong will, iron will, energy is
will, strong will, iron will, energy is also very high. And so literally some of
also very high. And so literally some of these positions are so demanding on the
these positions are so demanding on the body that in order to maintain this
body that in order to maintain this position, you you have to have will. You
position, you you have to have will. You need to create something about yourself
need to create something about yourself where you are pushing
where you are pushing yourself and this is uh when when we
yourself and this is uh when when we have time I show you the exercise.
have time I show you the exercise. Yes. And this is why I do it.
Yes. And this is why I do it. So how important is that for everybody's
So how important is that for everybody's life to do hard things do you think?
life to do hard things do you think? Because it's very easy not to do hard
Because it's very easy not to do hard things in the comfort world we live in.
things in the comfort world we live in. when I mention it and then you directly
when I mention it and then you directly look up in a way to me or any
look up in a way to me or any professionals who then do this type of
professionals who then do this type of training. Of course, it's it's it's it's
training. Of course, it's it's it's it's it's beyond any normal person's
it's beyond any normal person's abilities. But it's not about you need
abilities. But it's not about you need to learn and do the hard stuff like
to learn and do the hard stuff like this. But one thing is for
this. But one thing is for sure. This
sure. This lifetime living a life as a human
definitely is not easy. Let's put it like
easy. Let's put it like this. Living this lifetime is not easy.
this. Living this lifetime is not easy. The more wishes you have, the more
The more wishes you have, the more difficult it becomes. The more ambitious
difficult it becomes. The more ambitious you are, the more the more you will have
you are, the more the more you will have to face. So bottom line
to face. So bottom line is I do think that in the moment where
is I do think that in the moment where you just on a regular
you just on a regular basis put yourself
basis put yourself consciously and
consciously and willingly in different situations and
willingly in different situations and circumstances that actually represent a
circumstances that actually represent a little bit the structures of
little bit the structures of life. There are moments in this lifetime
life. There are moments in this lifetime where you are going to be super tense,
where you are going to be super tense, super
super tense. And then it's good to know
tense. And then it's good to know already how does it feel and what is it
already how does it feel and what is it that you can do well to learn and
that you can do well to learn and release the tension. That's why
release the tension. That's why releasing tension is also a big part of
releasing tension is also a big part of of the exercises. The one thing is
of the exercises. The one thing is learning to release tension. The other
learning to release tension. The other thing is like when you are too sloppy,
thing is like when you are too sloppy, when you're too slacky, how to increase
when you're too slacky, how to increase your tension, how to increase the energy
your tension, how to increase the energy level again for you to get into back
level again for you to get into back into structure again.
into structure again. So there's always this balance and
So there's always this balance and ultimately how does it help people to
ultimately how does it help people to know the hard stuff? Well, because I do
know the hard stuff? Well, because I do think that it is symbolizing this way of
think that it is symbolizing this way of life. It is symbolizing the patterns of
life. It is symbolizing the patterns of what you are going to go through in this
what you are going to go through in this lifetime. And so you're almost training
lifetime. And so you're almost training to do hard things because hard things
to do hard things because hard things are an inevitability of the life we
are an inevitability of the life we live.
in this training that I went through. Yeah, for for the moment maybe take all
Yeah, for for the moment maybe take all the spiritual part out. Simply the kung
the spiritual part out. Simply the kung fu training, the Shaolin kung fu
fu training, the Shaolin kung fu training. There is a saying which is
training. There is a saying which is Shaolin kung fu literally means walking
Shaolin kung fu literally means walking through the valley of
through the valley of pain. So what does it mean? When you are
pain. So what does it mean? When you are doing stretching, stretching,
doing stretching, stretching, stretching, stretching, it's going to be
stretching, stretching, it's going to be painful. When you are doing strength
painful. When you are doing strength training is going to be painful. When
training is going to be painful. When you do conditioning training, it's going
you do conditioning training, it's going to be painful.
to be painful. So the whole path on this martial art
So the whole path on this martial art journey, it is just filled with working
journey, it is just filled with working yourself up to the level of where it
yourself up to the level of where it feels
feels uncomfortable. Getting some consistency
uncomfortable. Getting some consistency into the practice until the point where
into the practice until the point where that uncomfortable feeling just started
that uncomfortable feeling just started disappearing. Why? Because somehow you
disappearing. Why? Because somehow you broke that initial comfort zone. So but
broke that initial comfort zone. So but then it doesn't end. Now next
then it doesn't end. Now next level until you're building up first of
level until you're building up first of all yeah whatever we're doing later on I
all yeah whatever we're doing later on I will show you some practices is not that
will show you some practices is not that I do not feel pain I also feel pain
I do not feel pain I also feel pain maybe I feel it
later but the essential part is that my connection my relation between the pain
connection my relation between the pain of the body towards what would it affect
of the body towards what would it affect in the way of how I take make decisions.
in the way of how I take make decisions. That is a different
one. I feel the pain but at the moment I feel the pain but I see no necessity to
feel the pain but I see no necessity to still change something about my way
still change something about my way right now. Why? Because I can take the
right now. Why? Because I can take the pain. Whereas when you are not used to
pain. Whereas when you are not used to this pain, you feel it and then it tells
this pain, you feel it and then it tells you let's say it's painful. The mind
you let's say it's painful. The mind okay is not good. And so you directly
okay is not good. And so you directly change something. And this is and this
change something. And this is and this is just the difference. So it's not that
is just the difference. So it's not that I became numb. No, I just feel there is
I became numb. No, I just feel there is an additional layer that I can observe
an additional layer that I can observe about myself. It is
painful, but it's okay for right now. And that's a a habit you've learned, I
And that's a a habit you've learned, I guess, over time. That's a process
guess, over time. That's a process you've learned, which is you still have
you've learned, which is you still have the same stimulus, the same feeling, but
the same stimulus, the same feeling, but you tell yourself, you've learned to
you tell yourself, you've learned to tell yourself a different story about
tell yourself a different story about that feeling or you've turned you
that feeling or you've turned you believe something differently about that
believe something differently about that feeling. Many people would feel the pain
feeling. Many people would feel the pain of I don't know starting a new career
of I don't know starting a new career journey, starting a business, whatever
journey, starting a business, whatever might be painful and they would tell
might be painful and they would tell themselves the story that that means
themselves the story that that means they are not good enough or they
they are not good enough or they shouldn't do it or that it's a threat
shouldn't do it or that it's a threat and they might stop. Whereas because
and they might stop. Whereas because you've cultivated this new relationship
you've cultivated this new relationship with pain, you're able to do these
with pain, you're able to do these things and tell yourself a better story.
things and tell yourself a better story. I spent my
I spent my lifetime for for some part to really
lifetime for for some part to really wanting to build up my body and build up
wanting to build up my body and build up the skills related to the field of
the skills related to the field of martial arts. So I want to build this
martial arts. So I want to build this up. Other people want to build up their
up. Other people want to build up their business. I do think there is something
business. I do think there is something similar in the way of building up. When
similar in the way of building up. When I build up my body, how do I really
I build up my body, how do I really build up? How do I make my body grow?
build up? How do I make my body grow? It only works if I find
It only works if I find a continuous way of exposing my body to
a continuous way of exposing my body to situations outside of the comfort zone
situations outside of the comfort zone of what I know. Elsewise, it wouldn't be
of what I know. Elsewise, it wouldn't be called growth. If I every day just do
called growth. If I every day just do something towards the body that the body
something towards the body that the body already knows how to do, there's nothing
already knows how to do, there's nothing growing.
growing. So the idea of understanding where is
So the idea of understanding where is the comfort zone of my body then on a
the comfort zone of my body then on a regular basis very little must not be a
regular basis very little must not be a big jump but very little extending this
big jump but very little extending this comfort zone until the body naturally
comfort zone until the body naturally takes it as a habit in raising the bar
takes it as a habit in raising the bar of where your comfort zone actually is.
of where your comfort zone actually is. Always a little bit. Always a little
Always a little bit. Always a little bit. Always a little. But this only is
bit. Always a little. But this only is possible I think
possible I think by well what's called going over your
by well what's called going over your limits. But now comes the thing. You can
limits. But now comes the thing. You can go over the limits by really
go over the limits by really exaggerating and risking to be injured
exaggerating and risking to be injured or you make the idea of going going over
or you make the idea of going going over the limit
the limit consciously aware carefully. still going
consciously aware carefully. still going over the limit but in a in a still
over the limit but in a in a still controlled way. Let's say you know it's
controlled way. Let's say you know it's the limit now but at the same time at
the limit now but at the same time at some point you also realize our bodies
some point you also realize our bodies our mind is so intelligent before the
our mind is so intelligent before the when we are stretching at some point you
when we are stretching at some point you feel like everything's going to rip
feel like everything's going to rip apart but I know and this is why if we
apart but I know and this is why if we would stretch even though you say ah it
would stretch even though you say ah it hurts I know we can still go more yeah
hurts I know we can still go more yeah you think but I just know yeah because
you think but I just know yeah because your body is so intelligent that before
your body is so intelligent that before something serious really happens, he
something serious really happens, he tells you way before that that be
tells you way before that that be careful. And this figuring out where
careful. And this figuring out where where is really this limit. This is that
where is really this limit. This is that this is what makes the difference. There
this is what makes the difference. There is a limit. Yes. But but this limit
is a limit. Yes. But but this limit still has
still has a has like a range of where we can still
a has like a range of where we can still move inside. Yes. And I do think that
move inside. Yes. And I do think that this as a general line applies to
this as a general line applies to everything if you want to grow and step
everything if you want to grow and step by step by doing
by step by doing so the comfort
so the comfort zone
zone extends. So how is something new
extends. So how is something new supposed to enter into your life? Well,
supposed to enter into your life? Well, there's only one way exactly the way
there's only one way exactly the way that many people are also afraid of
that many people are also afraid of right
right now. Go into the unknown.
now. Go into the unknown. But that's exactly what it is. If this
But that's exactly what it is. If this table is our comfort zone and you just
table is our comfort zone and you just stay on here, you will never know how
stay on here, you will never know how beautiful London streets are. If you
beautiful London streets are. If you just stay here, you need to go into the
just stay here, you need to go into the unknown. You need to slowly walk your
unknown. You need to slowly walk your find your way out here.
find your way out here. But that means
But that means that going into the uncertainty is
that going into the uncertainty is nothing
nothing bad for me. I'm really really happy
bad for me. I'm really really happy uncertainty is existing in this world
uncertainty is existing in this world cuz I cannot imagine how boring it would
cuz I cannot imagine how boring it would be if I would already know with
be if I would already know with certainty where I'm going to be in 20
certainty where I'm going to be in 20 years.
years. Is there something practical one can do
Is there something practical one can do to get better at stepping outside of
to get better at stepping outside of their comfort zone? Because in our or
their comfort zone? Because in our or everyday lives, stepping outside of our
everyday lives, stepping outside of our comfort zone might just mean putting our
comfort zone might just mean putting our hand up in a meeting or doing a public
hand up in a meeting or doing a public talk or starting a Instagram page for
talk or starting a Instagram page for our cupcakes or it could be small
our cupcakes or it could be small things. It could be learning how to run.
things. It could be learning how to run. What's the first sort of small step one
What's the first sort of small step one should take to develop that habit of
should take to develop that habit of being okay in the uncertainty of our
being okay in the uncertainty of our growth zone? Some people
say just start reading. I do think that people who do
reading. I do think that people who do like reading this is something meaning
like reading this is something meaning always look for something new to
always look for something new to learn. Always realize that the the
learn. Always realize that the the things able to still be discovered is
things able to still be discovered is way bigger than what you think you know.
way bigger than what you think you know. And that means exactly the way of how
And that means exactly the way of how you also describe it now. Exactly. The
you also describe it now. Exactly. The last 20 times you stayed quiet the next
last 20 times you stayed quiet the next time you raise your
hand. Whatever it is, just don't stay in the old patterns. Break the cycle.
the old patterns. Break the cycle. This is where where I would say a great
This is where where I would say a great potential lies in
potential lies in the thing that holds us back is fear.
the thing that holds us back is fear. Yes. How how do we overcome that fear?
Yes. How how do we overcome that fear? So am I fearless?
So am I fearless? No. Do I fear a lot of things? No.
I do think there's only one thing that ultimately makes you break free from
is to find a way and wake up from the
dream. You don't take things too seriously in this lifetime.
to just change. Let's put like this change your
perspective rationalize things if you like it's similar like fear and worry.
Yes. Oh, at least when I look at my worries I
Oh, at least when I look at my worries I had in the last months.
had in the last months. Well, for sure 80% 90% of all the
Well, for sure 80% 90% of all the worries just didn't happen in the first
worries just didn't happen in the first place. 10% might somehow came true. But
place. 10% might somehow came true. But then again, I asked myself, good. So the
then again, I asked myself, good. So the 10% that came true, even though I had
10% that came true, even though I had the worries, what could I do about it?
the worries, what could I do about it? Coming to the
Coming to the conclusion,
conclusion, nothing.
nothing. Nothing, you know. And then something
Nothing, you know. And then something just really started to to shift inside
just really started to to shift inside of me where I
of me where I literally let go of
literally let go of something. Let go of this
something. Let go of this idea that that everything is
idea that that everything is like is like onedirectional. That
like is like onedirectional. That everything that you're going to
everything that you're going to encounter in this lifetime is going to
encounter in this lifetime is going to be beautiful. Everything in this
be beautiful. Everything in this lifetime is going to be peaceful.
lifetime is going to be peaceful. everybody you're going to meet along
everybody you're going to meet along your journey is going to be wellhearted
your journey is going to be wellhearted towards you. No, it's
towards you. No, it's not. Because in the moment where you
not. Because in the moment where you have well-hearted people, you have
have well-hearted people, you have illwilled people. And in the moment
illwilled people. And in the moment where there is success, where you want
where there is success, where you want to be part of the success story, you're
to be part of the success story, you're going to be part of the failing story.
going to be part of the failing story. And in the moment where you want to be
And in the moment where you want to be part of the light story, you're going to
part of the light story, you're going to be part of the dark story.
be part of the dark story. This is how it
is. This is the world of what we call it's the world of yin and yang. This is
it's the world of yin and yang. This is the world of birth and
the world of birth and death, of
death, of aging and sickness.
And this and this is why in the in the ancient traditions more and more even
ancient traditions more and more even nowadays why why in the first place
nowadays why why in the first place there is this whole idea about
there is this whole idea about liberating yourself breaking free and
liberating yourself breaking free and and and all of these
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feet. We were talking about the five hindrances and the first of those was
hindrances and the first of those was the sensual desires which we talked
the sensual desires which we talked about and the second was ill will. The
about and the second was ill will. The third is dullness, lack of motivation to
third is dullness, lack of motivation to move forward in life and the fourth is
move forward in life and the fourth is restlessness, unable to focus on the
restlessness, unable to focus on the present moment and the fifth is
present moment and the fifth is skeptical doubt, indecisiveness and not
skeptical doubt, indecisiveness and not trusting yourself. And to overcome the
trusting yourself. And to overcome the five
five hindrances, you recommend the four-step
hindrances, you recommend the four-step rain method. What is the four-step rain
rain method. What is the four-step rain method? Yes, I do think it's called rain
method? Yes, I do think it's called rain method. That has also been taught to me
method. That has also been taught to me because it's easy to remember. What is
because it's easy to remember. What is it that you're supposed to do? Like I
it that you're supposed to do? Like I said, in this context of putting it
said, in this context of putting it simple, you have set yourself a goal.
simple, you have set yourself a goal. There are five mental states that could
There are five mental states that could make it difficult for you to reach that
make it difficult for you to reach that goal. Those five mental states are these
goal. Those five mental states are these five hindrances. Yes. Could you read
five hindrances. Yes. Could you read those out for me again? So sensory
those out for me again? So sensory desire, sensual desire here, ill will,
desire, sensual desire here, ill will, dullness, sloth topper or restlessness
dullness, sloth topper or restlessness and then ultimately uh indecisiveness or
and then ultimately uh indecisiveness or self-doubt. Okay.
Now what does the rain method tell you? Number one, it tells you with the R,
Number one, it tells you with the R, recognize. Recognize or
recognize. Recognize or realize. So along your journey, every
realize. So along your journey, every day just sitting somewhere
day just sitting somewhere contemplating, learn to realize in which
contemplating, learn to realize in which mental state are you actually finding
mental state are you actually finding yourself right now. This is just the
yourself right now. This is just the recognition, the realization of where
recognition, the realization of where you
you are. The A stands for acknowledge or
are. The A stands for acknowledge or acceptance.
acceptance. So even you know the second one was
So even you know the second one was called ill will or actually it's called
called ill will or actually it's called aversion. So denying something pushing
aversion. So denying something pushing something away from you very important
something away from you very important right now same here you recognize
right now same here you recognize something inside of you about you of
something inside of you about you of course second one accepting it
course second one accepting it acknowledging it is
important. Yes. I meaning now investigation.
investigation. investigation meaning okay I see I
am I see I'm dull I see I'm like like or I see I'm
I see I'm restless okay I accept that I have this
restless okay I accept that I have this feeling right now investigation meaning
feeling right now investigation meaning okay what is it like how did I get into
okay what is it like how did I get into this state have I been there this
this state have I been there this morning already in that state of being
morning already in that state of being no this morning I really felt
no this morning I really felt So what happened now since the morning
So what happened now since the morning until now that put me in this state of
until now that put me in this state of restlessness to who did I talk to? Was
restlessness to who did I talk to? Was it a message that I received? What is it
it a message that I received? What is it ultimately that led to this feeling of
ultimately that led to this feeling of restlessness? So really
restlessness? So really investigating like like a detector
investigating like like a detector investigating.
investigating. So and ultimately then the n difficult
So and ultimately then the n difficult one but it is standing for
one but it is standing for nonidentification.
So, and nonidentification meaning I mentioned it
meaning I mentioned it before even if you just use it as a
before even if you just use it as a picture right now as a concept if you
picture right now as a concept if you want
want but try not to identify your being too
but try not to identify your being too much with your body and too much with
much with your body and too much with the mind. And if you don't identify with
the mind. And if you don't identify with the body and not identify yourself too
the body and not identify yourself too much with the mind also you do not
much with the mind also you do not identify yourself too much with all the
identify yourself too much with all the things that you investigated that you
things that you investigated that you felt like were nourishing your
felt like were nourishing your restlessness.
restlessness. If you had one last message to
If you had one last message to share and that message
share and that message was a message you had to share for your
was a message you had to share for your son because one day the inevitability of
son because one day the inevitability of life means that you do have to have one
life means that you do have to have one last conversation and we don't always
last conversation and we don't always get to choose what that one last
get to choose what that one last conversation is but if you do get to
conversation is but if you do get to choose that last conversation with your
choose that last conversation with your 3mony yearear-old son once he's able to
3mony yearear-old son once he's able to process it a little bit better say he
process it a little bit better say he was 18 years old what would that message
was 18 years old what would that message Okay. Concepts are concepts. Theories
Okay. Concepts are concepts. Theories are theories. Be careful or be aware of
are theories. Be careful or be aware of what you are keeping or what are you
what you are keeping or what are you nourishing in the
nourishing in the mind. Never restrict yourself to any
mind. Never restrict yourself to any concept. Never restrict yourself to any
concept. Never restrict yourself to any identity. Never restrict yourself to any
identity. Never restrict yourself to any type of role.
What you create you
create you create and you can create quite a lot of
things. Yeah. Something along these lines
Yeah. Something along these lines probably. I read that when you lost your
probably. I read that when you lost your father that had quite a profound impact
father that had quite a profound impact on your life and
on your life and your I guess your way of understanding
your I guess your way of understanding the world. Your father passed away from
the world. Your father passed away from cancer when you were sort of roughly 28
cancer when you were sort of roughly 28 years old. It was roughly around
2012. And this I read gave you a deeper sense of
sense of purpose. H how how did that impact you
purpose. H how how did that impact you as a man?
as a man? Yeah. See just imagine
Yeah. See just imagine like when I talked before about enduring
like when I talked before about enduring things going through my childhood
things going through my childhood and always receiving let's say to to
and always receiving let's say to to never be enough but still I mean still I
never be enough but still I mean still I had this internal fire going to still
had this internal fire going to still always give my best but for the sake of
always give my best but for the sake of my
my parents and so yeah from the age of four
parents and so yeah from the age of four elementary school give your best high
elementary school give your best high school give your best studying give your
school give your best studying give your best study again okay I do again so all
best study again okay I do again so all the time not because I necessarily
the time not because I necessarily wanted all of this it's because for the
wanted all of this it's because for the sake of my parents for the sake of they
sake of my parents for the sake of they are the ones who allowed me in the first
are the ones who allowed me in the first place to in a way be alive yeah also
place to in a way be alive yeah also thanks to them so this was in a way um
thanks to them so this was in a way um my expression of what they say as long
my expression of what they say as long as they are alive I listen to them so
as they are alive I listen to them so and then you know walking all the way up
and then you know walking all the way up to this this academic education then
to this this academic education then finally graduating like
finally graduating like after 20
after 20 years. Yeah. And then I just returned
years. Yeah. And then I just returned from the graduation back to back to
from the graduation back to back to Kaiser Slot and the city where I lived
Kaiser Slot and the city where I lived and that was the last year uh I spent
and that was the last year uh I spent with my father. Yeah.
with my father. Yeah. So literally meaning
So literally meaning uh spending so many years in this
uh spending so many years in this academic education for my
academic education for my father and now he's not even there to
father and now he's not even there to witness that it has been done for him.
witness that it has been done for him. Now, this was like a a point where I
Now, this was like a a point where I thought
yeah, this was the one area that uh that stuck somehow a little bit hard. And
stuck somehow a little bit hard. And then the next things yeah I call it
then the next things yeah I call it maybe small but it's not so small
maybe small but it's not so small apparently because um I grew up in let's
apparently because um I grew up in let's say this Asian tradition with let's say
say this Asian tradition with let's say different type of beliefs or rituals or
different type of beliefs or rituals or ceremonies that we do. One of these
ceremonies that we do. One of these things was that when my father was still
things was that when my father was still uh lying in hospital and it was clear
uh lying in hospital and it was clear that it's just going to take a few days
that it's just going to take a few days until he would pass away.
until he would pass away. He for example also said well he only
He for example also said well he only said it to me because you know I I would
said it to me because you know I I would be the only one who is able to do it.
be the only one who is able to do it. Don't cry for
me because he couldn't say to my mother she cannot handle it.
she cannot handle it. couldn't say to my
brother. Yeah. But because I trust in the I trust in
because I trust in the I trust in the in the tradition the reason why not
the in the tradition the reason why not to cry when my father pass away. Yes.
to cry when my father pass away. Yes. Because we do think the body is there.
Because we do think the body is there. The body passes away. The spirit sets
The body passes away. The spirit sets itself free. And when the spirit simply
itself free. And when the spirit simply realize that all the sons are there, the
realize that all the sons are there, the family is there crying. The spirit in a
family is there crying. The spirit in a way is still bound to this realm, bound
way is still bound to this realm, bound to the earth's realm, let's say. And in
to the earth's realm, let's say. And in order to be able to help my father
order to be able to help my father actually to get on
actually to get on a to move on quicker, to move on
a to move on quicker, to move on quicker, that was the reason why it is
quicker, that was the reason why it is sometimes so important to don't show any
sometimes so important to don't show any grief in the moment when a beloved one
grief in the moment when a beloved one like passes
like passes away. Yeah. But all of these things.
away. Yeah. But all of these things. Yeah. No,
Yeah. No, like spending so many years for my
like spending so many years for my father, then he's not there to realize
father, then he's not there to realize it, then not being able to cry, and
it, then not being able to cry, and then being in all this very very hard
then being in all this very very hard field and always
field and always like overachieving
like overachieving and no problem working 16 hours a day.
and no problem working 16 hours a day. Well, these are all the things that made
Well, these are all the things that made it possible to be where I am right
it possible to be where I am right now. But at the same time, I just do
now. But at the same time, I just do feel like especially in the moment now
feel like especially in the moment now when when my son started to come and all
when when my son started to come and all of these things, um I just felt like
of these things, um I just felt like there's a lot blocked
there or there's a lot that still needs to be released for the sake of my son.
what is it you needed and when did you need it? I would call it
need it? I would call it recognition. Being recognized by my
recognition. Being recognized by my father at some
father at some point to finally somehow say you you did
point to finally somehow say you you did well is
well is enough. But it didn't come until today.
enough. But it didn't come until today. So I still keep
going. I never heard it from my father. From my mother I also don't hear
father. From my mother I also don't hear it. Well maybe in a different way but I
it. Well maybe in a different way but I do
do think it is the father's
think it is the father's recognition that you probably aim for.
recognition that you probably aim for. So these are absolutely things that do
So these are absolutely things that do shape my character for sure.
Many people will be able to relate in their own ways and maybe their parents
their own ways and maybe their parents have now passed on or are no longer with
have now passed on or are no longer with us. So I'm wondering if there is a way
us. So I'm wondering if there is a way to hear it from
to hear it from yourself. Yes, there
yourself. Yes, there is. There
is. There is. And again, this leads to the fact of
is. And again, this leads to the fact of sometimes it's very very helpful to
sometimes it's very very helpful to really shut the world, shut the world
really shut the world, shut the world out of you and spend time with
out of you and spend time with yourself and actually create what you
yourself and actually create what you think you were missing there. Create it
think you were missing there. Create it cuz you're the one who creates it.
cuz you're the one who creates it. That's exactly what I do
That's exactly what I do think
think that when you we were speaking about it
that when you we were speaking about it right now of course we could say that
right now of course we could say that what is it that I was looking for from
what is it that I was looking for from my father fact is is not I'm not going
my father fact is is not I'm not going to hear it from him anymore so I need to
to hear it from him anymore so I need to hear it of course by
hear it of course by myself and this is where it comes to all
myself and this is where it comes to all these type of practices and methods that
these type of practices and methods that many specialists now they also like
many specialists now they also like emphasizing regardless of how you call
emphasizing regardless of how you call them.
them. Yeah. And what are those sentences in
Yeah. And what are those sentences in particular that if
particular that if I if I was your
father you would want me to say to you right
right now? Well, something
now? Well, something like you did well. You did
enough. I see what you are doing. But now take your energy back.
and give it to your son. Give him everything that you feel
son. Give him everything that you feel you didn't receive from
me. And if you heard those words from him, how do you think he would change?
I do think there will be change and I do think there is already
change and I do think there is already change. Yeah. And this is maybe like the
change. Yeah. And this is maybe like the part where like specialists now they
part where like specialists now they would say it's not necessarily an area
would say it's not necessarily an area of the conscious mind. I do think that
of the conscious mind. I do think that these are talks right now more dealing
these are talks right now more dealing with
with subconsciously is stored inside our our
subconsciously is stored inside our our let's say in our mind. I think this is
let's say in our mind. I think this is where it plays a role. No especially
where it plays a role. No especially when it's about patterns that come up.
when it's about patterns that come up. It's not consciously when you're
It's not consciously when you're conscious enough you can regulate
conscious enough you can regulate already a lot. It's the subconscious
already a lot. It's the subconscious things that you are not aware of that
things that you are not aware of that are still a part of your life. And if
are still a part of your life. And if you wouldn't have cuh asked about my
father, I wouldn't even think about him for one month is all not a problem.
for one month is all not a problem. Yeah. But I do still think that these
Yeah. But I do still think that these are like very very deep layers that just
are like very very deep layers that just translate a
translate a lot unconsciously into the way of of
lot unconsciously into the way of of doing things in way of how I see things
doing things in way of how I see things also and this is where I feel like it
also and this is where I feel like it probably would help. Have you grieved
probably would help. Have you grieved his passing?
his passing? Yes.
Yes. I do think at at some extent when the when the 49 days that's the period
the when the 49 days that's the period of where it's normally said don't grief
of where it's normally said don't grief at that time 49
at that time 49 days afterwards I did
yes but probably there's still a lot more to
release. you've written this wonderful book which describes the way to
book which describes the way to selfmastery and it's um it's a really
selfmastery and it's um it's a really transformative book that I highly
transformative book that I highly recommend everybody checks out. I'm
recommend everybody checks out. I'm going to link it below. When we talk
going to link it below. When we talk about
about selfmastery, what is it you mean? What
selfmastery, what is it you mean? What is it to master
is it to master oneself? So, growing up like I said in
oneself? So, growing up like I said in this field of martial arts, I met a lot
this field of martial arts, I met a lot of masters. I lot met a lot of
of masters. I lot met a lot of grandmasters. I always went looking for
grandmasters. I always went looking for other instructors, looking for somebody
other instructors, looking for somebody outside of myself to be a mentor, to be
outside of myself to be a mentor, to be a guide for
a guide for me. But at some point, always
realizing that everybody, no matter who it was, they possessed some type of
it was, they possessed some type of skill that I wanted to learn from them.
skill that I wanted to learn from them. But there was one thing that in a
But there was one thing that in a way none of them in a way could help me
way none of them in a way could help me with and that
with and that was how do I run my my own life. I can
was how do I run my my own life. I can learn skills from you. I can learn
learn skills from you. I can learn skills from here. I can improve in this
skills from here. I can improve in this area in this area. But putting all these
area in this area. But putting all these skills, putting all these knowledge,
skills, putting all these knowledge, putting all the advice, putting it into
putting all the advice, putting it into a structure, into a frame, and then to
a structure, into a frame, and then to run my own life with it. There's only
run my own life with it. There's only one person who can do
one person who can do this,
this, yourself. So, and this is where I meant
yourself. So, and this is where I meant that don't rely on a master for him to
that don't rely on a master for him to run your life. Don't rely on a mentor, a
run your life. Don't rely on a mentor, a guide, whatever to run your
guide, whatever to run your life. This whole journey is about you
life. This whole journey is about you learn and acquire the skills and acquire
learn and acquire the skills and acquire the knowledge and acquire whatever you
the knowledge and acquire whatever you think is
think is necessary to bring out the best version.
necessary to bring out the best version. Let's call it like this. the best
Let's call it like this. the best version, the best
version, the best refined potential about about yourself,
refined potential about about yourself, about what you believe you are capable
about what you believe you are capable of bringing out about
of bringing out about yourself. Meaning the master is already
yourself. Meaning the master is already sitting inside of each
sitting inside of each individual. It's just that we don't
individual. It's just that we don't nourish that master inside of us enough.
nourish that master inside of us enough. And who in particular at this moment in
And who in particular at this moment in time do you believe would benefit most
time do you believe would benefit most from the message inside the covers of
from the message inside the covers of this book?
this book? The more you feel like that your
The more you feel like that your [Music]
[Music] um that that your well-being about
um that that your well-being about yourself is being dependent on any third
yourself is being dependent on any third parties anything outsourced. So if the
parties anything outsourced. So if the government you feel like if any decision
government you feel like if any decision from the government affects you, read
from the government affects you, read the book. If like your colleagues at
the book. If like your colleagues at work affect you by what they say and
work affect you by what they say and what they
what they think, that's also something. Every time
think, that's also something. Every time when you have the feeling your
when you have the feeling your well-being is dependent on something
well-being is dependent on something that you feel you have no influence
that you feel you have no influence in because this is exactly this is the
in because this is exactly this is the antidote. This book is literally telling
you don't outsource your well-being to anything that you
anything that you cannot influence or
cannot influence or control. Which literally
control. Which literally means place the
means place the emphasis and the foundation of your
emphasis and the foundation of your well-being only on things that you have
well-being only on things that you have influence on. And which one is that?
influence on. And which one is that? your body and your mind. Of all the
your body and your mind. Of all the things we've discussed today, is there
things we've discussed today, is there anything anything at all that you
anything anything at all that you think is the most important thing that
think is the most important thing that we missed for the for the person that's
we missed for the for the person that's sat there at home and I'll give you a
sat there at home and I'll give you a persona of the person. They are they're
persona of the person. They are they're feeling a little bit lost in their life.
feeling a little bit lost in their life. They're feeling like they could do more.
They're feeling like they could do more. They're maybe lacking in purpose and
They're maybe lacking in purpose and meaning in their life a little bit. um
meaning in their life a little bit. um they're struggling in various areas with
they're struggling in various areas with their relationships, maybe a little bit
their relationships, maybe a little bit with work, and they're feeling the the
with work, and they're feeling the the normal pressures of life that we all we
normal pressures of life that we all we all feel. Is there anything for that
all feel. Is there anything for that person that's listening now and that's
person that's listening now and that's gotten this far in the conversation that
gotten this far in the conversation that you might say in their ear right now?
you might say in their ear right now? It's sometimes really nice to see the
It's sometimes really nice to see the why I
why I to see the full
to see the full picture. The full picture of me is I
picture. The full picture of me is I didn't start like being on the cover of
didn't start like being on the cover of the book. I didn't start like having all
the book. I didn't start like having all the abilities and skills that I have
the abilities and skills that I have nowadays. I didn't start with all the
nowadays. I didn't start with all the social media channels as they are right
social media channels as they are right now. I started actually in the poorest
now. I started actually in the poorest area of that city in Kaiser Slouten that
area of that city in Kaiser Slouten that until today is known to be like the area
until today is known to be like the area where people do not like to go. This is
where people do not like to go. This is where I come out
where I come out from. So was my life always easy? Well,
from. So was my life always easy? Well, I don't think so.
But there are just a few fundamental things
things that meanwhile after like 40 years
that meanwhile after like 40 years meeting people, talking with people,
meeting people, talking with people, looking into the world, being able to
looking into the world, being able to actually see some type of structures in
actually see some type of structures in the world, I do believe that what you
the world, I do believe that what you might call successful people or people
might call successful people or people that somehow made it in whatever way you
that somehow made it in whatever way you think is made it, I do think they have
think is made it, I do think they have something in common there is something
something in common there is something in common amongst them. Okay. So and one
in common amongst them. Okay. So and one thing that I would definitely say
is to really be able to endure is one
endure is one area really having that persistence even
area really having that persistence even so okay today is not working everything
so okay today is not working everything goes wrong. Yeah.
goes wrong. Yeah. like not like cutting it off like
like not like cutting it off like suddenly but this type of persistence
suddenly but this type of persistence and consistency like just knowing and
and consistency like just knowing and trusting. Okay, let's do it
trusting. Okay, let's do it again. So literally trial and
again. So literally trial and error, hard times, good
error, hard times, good times to just understand that this life
times to just understand that this life is like this up and down. There is a up
is like this up and down. There is a up and down. The one the success doesn't
and down. The one the success doesn't come without the failure. The brightness
come without the failure. The brightness right now that is being seen from
right now that is being seen from people. Yeah. But there's another side
people. Yeah. But there's another side that that built the foundation for
that that built the foundation for people nowadays to to
people nowadays to to shine. Yeah. And just to understand a
shine. Yeah. And just to understand a lot of things is possible but it's never
onedirectional. Yeah. And now to put things really literally
And now to put things really literally into practice, one of the easiest
into practice, one of the easiest things, how do I know what should be the
things, how do I know what should be the next? What should I do tomorrow? What
next? What should I do tomorrow? What should I do tomorrow?
Okay, look at yourself and ask yourself what is the most disturbing whatever it
what is the most disturbing whatever it is from the last week in your
is from the last week in your life. What is disturbing you about your
life. What is disturbing you about your life the most from the last week?
You can even extend it to what is it which emotional state is it that
which emotional state is it that followed you primarily in the last one
followed you primarily in the last one month.
month. So and then maybe investigating again
So and then maybe investigating again okay what is it that brings up that
okay what is it that brings up that emotion that state inside of you? What
emotion that state inside of you? What is is it somebody who triggers it? Is it
is is it somebody who triggers it? Is it something that triggers it? So really
something that triggers it? So really boil it down to the point that you
boil it down to the point that you actually
actually see this is what blocks me right now in
see this is what blocks me right now in my life. This is literally what blocks
my life. This is literally what blocks me in my life. I want to move into the
me in my life. I want to move into the future, but this here it follows me. It
future, but this here it follows me. It blocks me. It takes my energy. It's this
blocks me. It takes my energy. It's this one. I can literally see it. No, that is
one. I can literally see it. No, that is the one. Now invest all of the energy to
the one. Now invest all of the energy to figure out the solution for this
figure out the solution for this one. Because if you took care of this
one. Because if you took care of this already the last half year, the chances
already the last half year, the chances are very very high. You're going to have
are very very high. You're going to have it the next half year, which means
it the next half year, which means you're going to have it already for one
you're going to have it already for one year. And if you do nothing about it,
year. And if you do nothing about it, it's going to be two years. And it's
it's going to be two years. And it's going to be three years. And in three
going to be three years. And in three years, you still sit there and complain
years, you still sit there and complain that you were not able to move on. Yes.
that you were not able to move on. Yes. because it's the same pattern and it is
because it's the same pattern and it is the same
the same hindrance still in the life and this is
hindrance still in the life and this is for example how I know what is my next
for example how I know what is my next area of
area of um of
um of development the one that let's say
development the one that let's say shakes me the most at the moment if I
shakes me the most at the moment if I think about literally I think about is
think about literally I think about is it something in the business area that
it something in the business area that shakes me no is it something in the
shakes me no is it something in the family area that shakes me No, is it
family area that shakes me No, is it something in the in the relationship
something in the in the relationship area that and like this you find out
area that and like this you find out okay that is the next one let's tackle
okay that is the next one let's tackle it and and so and we will always find
it and and so and we will always find something that in a way like we would
something that in a way like we would say we could
say we could optimize and I do believe that in the
optimize and I do believe that in the moment where you say
moment where you say no I have
no I have arrived I think then there's really
arrived I think then there's really nothing to be
nothing to be done then just to be Sweet.
We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a
podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing
question for the next guest, not knowing who they're going to be leaving the
who they're going to be leaving the question
question for. And the question that has been left
for. And the question that has been left for you is,
for you is, uh, what is your greatest regret?
long, whatever I said and whatever decision I took in the last 40
decision I took in the last 40 years, I could always stand behind
years, I could always stand behind it. Yeah. I I pushed decisions through
it. Yeah. I I pushed decisions through and I gave I gave commence to to do it
and I gave I gave commence to to do it the way that I wanted
the way that I wanted because behind it my mind was always
because behind it my mind was always supporting all of
supporting all of this. Just in the recent months I had to
this. Just in the recent months I had to take a
take a decision. I would have wished to have a
decision. I would have wished to have a little bit more time to make it to make
little bit more time to make it to make the transition more pleasant but I
the transition more pleasant but I couldn't. I had no choice.
couldn't. I had no choice. And so despite of not feeling that it is
And so despite of not feeling that it is the right way to do it, I still had to
the right way to do it, I still had to do it. And this is what I regret. It's
do it. And this is what I regret. It's like firing someone, letting someone go
like firing someone, letting someone go kind of like this. Yes.
kind of like this. Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much for the
Thank you. Thank you so much for the message you're putting out into the
message you're putting out into the world because it's a increasingly
world because it's a increasingly necessary message because we're I think
necessary message because we're I think we're all searching for answers and for
we're all searching for answers and for a variety of different reasons. Um, and
a variety of different reasons. Um, and your message as I read it throughout the
your message as I read it throughout the book, the the striking thing about it is
book, the the striking thing about it is it's a simple one, but that doesn't mean
it's a simple one, but that doesn't mean it's an easy one, but it's a very, very
it's an easy one, but it's a very, very necessary one. And for anyone that does
necessary one. And for anyone that does relate to the things we've described to
relate to the things we've described to today and the situations we've described
today and the situations we've described that people are feeling at the moment,
that people are feeling at the moment, I'd highly recommend you give this book
I'd highly recommend you give this book a try. Um, because it is a completely
a try. Um, because it is a completely different message. So, thank you for
different message. So, thank you for writing such an incredible book and
writing such an incredible book and thank you for the wisdom that you've put
thank you for the wisdom that you've put out into the world. I highly recommend
out into the world. I highly recommend everybody goes and checks out your
everybody goes and checks out your YouTube channel um because there's much
YouTube channel um because there's much more content there and you're you're a
more content there and you're you're a real star on YouTube. Your TED talk is a
real star on YouTube. Your TED talk is a smash hit sensation that has changed
smash hit sensation that has changed millions of people's lives as well. So,
millions of people's lives as well. So, thank you again for your time today.
thank you again for your time today. It's been a huge honor. Thank you,
It's been a huge honor. Thank you, Stephen, for the invitation. Appreciate
Stephen, for the invitation. Appreciate it having this conversation. Thank you
it having this conversation. Thank you so much.
so much. I'm going to let you into a little bit
I'm going to let you into a little bit of a secret. You're probably going to
of a secret. You're probably going to think me and my team are a little bit
think me and my team are a little bit weird, but I can still remember to this
weird, but I can still remember to this day when Jamaima from my team posted on
day when Jamaima from my team posted on Slack that she'd changed the scent in
Slack that she'd changed the scent in this studio. And right after she posted
this studio. And right after she posted it, the entire office clapped in our
it, the entire office clapped in our Slack channel. And this might sound
Slack channel. And this might sound crazy, but at the Diary of SEO, this is
crazy, but at the Diary of SEO, this is the type of 1% improvement we make on
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absolutely change your outcomes in your life. It isn't about drastic
life. It isn't about drastic transformations or quick wins. It's
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So two years ago we started the process of creating this beautiful diary and
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