This content details an incident at a pro-abortion rally where an anti-abortion activist, Elsie McClla, was allegedly physically pushed and verbally attacked while attempting to film and ask questions. The narrative also describes subsequent online harassment and accusations directed at Elsie and the person filming her.
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So, I was away on the weekend at a
retreat and I asked my husband, James,
to film Elsie McClla, one of the birds
flip girls, as she went to a proabortion
rally that was being held on Saturday
outside the parliament. You're not going
to believe what went down. They shoved
her to the ground. Uh Tammy Franks
attempted to humiliate her in front of
the entire crowd. I mean, there wasn't
that many people. It was like 150, but
still, it was vile behavior from her. Uh
she was hit in the face like by a sign.
The mainstream media tried to stitch her
up. Um it was it was really gross. But
we're going to talk about it today. Uh
that's today on the Dr. Joe Show.
If you're new to the channel, can I
please ask that you do subscribe? Um
every subscription makes a difference,
helps us reach more people. Uh thank
you, James, for being on the show again
today. Um
>> it's my pleasure, Dr. Joe.
>> This is becoming a more common
occurrence. Should we just say like
you're a regular
>> uncomfortably common?
>> Yeah. But look, this one involves you,
so I think you need to be here for it.
Um I was away over the weekend going on
a retreat with my daughter. It was
something we' planned for a long time,
but it happened to me when the
proabortion rally was on. Um, I did go
to that last year. Uh, we filmed some
content around it. It's really
interesting. Actually, when I arrived at
the rally, they pretty much just broke
up because none of them wanted to answer
my question about why they supported a
bill that would have just meant babies
could be delivered alive after 28 weeks.
Like, they had such an indefensible
position and the rally just dispersed uh
once. I started asking that question of
people. Um, it's not that hard to
disperse a crowd which just has so few
people in it, but it's still a bit of an
achievement. Um anyway, this time I
couldn't be there. So Elsie, who's one
of the B flip girls, incredibly
courageous young woman who's decided to
speak up about abortion this year and
she's just been doing great videos on
socials. Um anyway, she is a good friend
of mine and she was going to this rally
and I said, "Well, you can't go like you
can't go alone like you need a man and I
I asked you if you could come." Um thank
you um for doing that. So James went
with her and videoed. Um, should we
watch now like some of the stuff that
happened or did you want to say
something to start off with?
>> No, I think that's a good plan.
>> Okay. All right. Let's watch the first video.
video.
>> There was tension on North Terrace
before the rally even started.
>> This woman was harassing. That's how she
fell over.
>> So, that actually happened before the
rally even started. Elsie saw Tammy
walking to uh the rally and she went and
asked her some questions. She wanted to
ask her some questions. Um, you can see
there that uh there's a a a lady there.
I think it was a lady with a um
fluorescent yellow jacket, one of the
marshalss who like from what I could see
just shoved Elsie out of the way. Um is
that what happened?
>> Well, yeah. Basically, they're very um
they've got these kind of like um queen
bee types who are their sort of um
they're kind of like gods or I don't
know. I guess that's probably the way
that they see it, you know. But they're
like um Barbara Bed
>> type honchos. No, actually literally
Barbara Bear.
>> Oh, she was there.
>> She was there. >> He
>> He
>> he I don't know. It's hard to say. It's chick.
chick.
>> You guys can wait.
>> Chick with a mo. Anyway, that one.
>> And um Elsie tried to interview
Barbara. What's called
>> and um they immediately
all come out and stand in between her and
and
>> and Barbara, you know, they they kind of
are very protective,
>> which is crazy because Barbara B's an
academic. who's written the book
abortion is healthcare. You think she'd
be able to answer a question on the subject?
subject?
>> Yeah. I mean, she's not just like
someone who doesn't have a significant
voice in this area. Like she's one of
the founders of the South Australian
Abortion Action Coalition. You think if
if Barbara B's being asked a question,
she'd be able to answer it. She doesn't
need like six queen bees around her to
stop her being the queen bee. Oh,
>> she's the queen bee. Sorry.
>> More like the female worker bees. Yeah.
So, and then and then the drones are all
the um the nuted sort of men who hang
around this scene. You know,
>> men are just gross. Um okay, but anyway,
I don't know.
>> They're surely about to get booted out
of the hive.
>> But you just went on a segway. You went
on a segway cuz it like we were talking
about Tammy Franks and this situation.
>> Can I just explain a little bit more
about the biology of a beehive?
>> I think we don't need to hear more about that.
that.
>> We'll leave it. So, um
>> so what happened with the Tammy Franks
thing, the shove? So we um yeah saw
Tammy Franks. We were walking up towards
the rally with all the pro choices. We
sort of had made friends with them in
front of the railway station. Yeah. We'd
had a had a chat to a couple of them. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And um
>> and they were okay. They were civil.
>> They were fine. One of them came up to
us and she was very nervous.
>> Yeah. Plus
>> and um but then she turned out to be
really mean. She put up a whole lot of
really um
>> mean videos about
>> mean videos. I think she might have been
the one who said um
uh standing e cuz um someone said, "Oh,
Elsie um good to see her standing up for
what she believes." And and because
Elsie got shoved to the ground by this,
you know, overzealous um Marshall and
then this chick goes off standing, eh?
Uh making a mockery of the fact that
she' just like this woman had just been
beaten basically. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> this is what they're like. Anyway, um,
so we talked to her and then we're on
our way. We we sort of walked as one big company.
company.
>> Yeah. All of you, you guys are all the
pro choices
>> on the way to the Yeah, like a march.
>> And then you picked up Tammy Franks on
the way.
>> March in a way. Yeah, we picked up
Tammy. She's kind of hard to miss. >> Um,
>> Um,
>> and uh, which is funny because everyone
was talking about, "Oh, Elsie, you look
so ugly. You're so disgusting." But then
you see there you see there their god
Tammy and she's not exactly a paradigm
of like feminine beauty
>> herself. But anyway, um so we collected
T and then um um Elsie wanted to have a
chat with um the like grand poo bar um
herself and so she tried to just walk
alongside her
and um Tammy Franks
was actually talking to her and
everything seemed fine.
>> But then this marshall pushed around
>> and then these marshals have obviously
been briefed. Don't let anyone talk to
them. You know what I mean? For whatever
reason, even though they have a message
they seem to want to spread,
>> they don't let their own people actually
>> talk about the subject.
>> I think it's because they say, "Oh, it's
because you guys are going to edit the
the the footage." That's what they kept
on saying,
>> but the reality is is like we would
still talk to them and they can edit it
however they want. It would just
wouldn't matter. I think with them they
have to be so careful. They've got these
a very thin line that they have to walk
or they just start sounding completely
psychotic and evil. Yeah.
>> Um and so they have to curate their
message so carefully. And I think that's
where all these accusations of you're
going to edit our thing comes from. It's
not even true. We actually often do
straight interviews where we put a clip
on Instagram which is edited because yeah,
yeah,
>> you can't actually put like a 15minute
interview on Instagram. No one will see
it. But then we actually also often
publish the entire chat on Instagram on
YouTube. Um, and so if people want to
see the full thing, they can go there.
We got nothing to hide. We on our side
have nothing to hide. They on the other
hand have a lot. So
>> So I know when Elsie got shoved, um,
Tammy Franks turns around to her and,
you know, like a normal person would
say, "Are you okay?" Like it's a bit
shocking. You can even see some of the
other pro choices a little bit shocked.
Well, what happened was um interestingly
enough, we can just replay this as I'm
talking about it, but um Tammy was
walking um and Elsie was actually quite
a long way away from her and there was a
marshall in between Elsie and Tammy
Frank and then a a second marshall
>> decided to walk over her over to her and
just give her a very violent shove. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um at which point Elsie fell to the
ground. He actually
fence tripped
>> and fell into humiliating. Like that's
so gross.
>> Very humiliating and very um very
dangerous. I mean Elsie could have been
really seriously injured. And I uh she
certainly was very emotionally affected.
She started crying about it afterwards.
You know what I mean? As you can
imagine, it's very it's a it's a
horrible shock. Definitely an assault.
You know what I mean?
>> And then Tammy turns to her and like
blames her for it.
>> Yeah. He goes, "I have some decorum."
Like I just go, who does that? Like how
can you not just say are you a like help
me up even if we're on different sides?
Like and then she says to the police who
come in because they saw this happen and
um she says to them, "This woman was
harassing me.
>> That's why she fell over." >> Like
>> Like
>> imagine imagine applying that in any
other situation. Imagine Tony Abbott was
at a um was at some kind of a a
right-wing event and then there was a
female protester and someone walked over
and just like a female left-wing
protester. Someone walked over and just
violently shoved her and then Tony
Abbott goes, "Oh, she was harassing me.
That's why the got shoved."
>> Yeah. Like
oh my gosh. I mean it's just the thing
is and a lot of people commented this on
socials. If this had been the other way
round, this would have been front page
news for days. like they just would they
would just have been running this day
after day
>> and not just in Adelaide. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> This would be just national front page
news on every on every uh just a picture
of Elsie lying in the bush. >> Um
>> Um
>> but because it doesn't suit the
narrative, the proabortion narrative,
they're just victim blaming her. They're
saying it's her fault, you know. Um
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And then and then um
>> yeah, you and then and then you guys
actually make it to the rally and the
same thing happens. So Elsie's trying to
interview people, but she's just
surrounded and you're surrounded by
people. Um, and so like Elsie's trying
to have these interviews and you know,
we can maybe even just watch a little
bit about what happens here.
>> Well, it was so annoying because um,
every time we would walk up to someone
to interview them, these marshals would
stand in between us and say, "They don't
want to speak to you." Sometimes the
people actually did want to speak to
Elsie, but the like team abortion
wouldn't let them.
>> Yeah. wouldn't let them talk about the
issue that they're there to passionately
advocate for. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, which is strange because once again,
you can't honestly like any pro-choicer
who is watch I know that they're
probably quite afraid of this channel.
They don't really tune in much, but if
there's anyone watching,
>> come along to one of our rallies, bring
a cameraman, bring a little microphone
and and um collect as many interviews as
you like. There'll be people lined up
eager waiting. We've had proabortion
people at our rally rallies and um like
none of this has ever happened. Like
let's take a look at what happened when
Elsie tried to talk to people.
>> Go on. So like first of all I think it's
really disrespect. Just give me
the camera.
>> I'm talking so you need to listen to me.
>> Yeah. I want to let him But can you tell
him to let you talk? You should have a
voice. Let him get out the way. Yeah.
>> Okay. First of all, I think it's really
disrespectful that you've turned
up to a protest and it's about
protecting women's rights, about
protecting bodily autonomy. It's about
making sure that women who have severe
mental health condition. No, let her
talk. Let her talk. She has a right. No,
that's fine. I don't care about clients
being in my face. Okay. I think it's so
disrespectful that you have
turned up here today to in a protest
that is meant to protect you your like
your rights, right? You have pulled up
here and you have gone, "This is not
okay." like I'm going to I'm going to
fail. I'm going to get clout. I'm going
to get clips. Whatever. Like that is not
fair to everyone who is here today.
Everyone who has shared their stories,
everyone who is in pain because of these
laws that are going to get passed. Like
it's really not fair. Okay. So, you can
just see there like you're the
cameraman, right? And you've got like
people right up in your face like
putting their hands trying to block your
lens. You've got big signs and then
there's this proabortion woman who's
being interviewed but like she can't
like she can't even talk. like they
don't even want her to be shown. Um, but
I think one of the reasons they don't
want her to be shown is because it just
looks really bad. Like these people
really can't string a sentence together
without just using exploitives and
sounding quite foul. Um, and that what
they're there to do is support a bill
like to be against a bill, sorry, to
oppose a bill that saves babies after 23
weeks. Like I think their position is so
indefensible. Um, they that they have to
do this.
>> Yeah. And they they would say, "Oh, you
guys are going to edit us to make us
look say something different to what we
actually said." Um, but I mean Elsie
just played the entire clip. I mean
that's that's like totally we're totally
blind to play these nutters, you know,
>> bad every time sound bad. It's got
nothing to do with us and they know that
as well. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> It's not the way we edit them.
>> And so often this is what happens. We
get people doing interviews
>> and then they get halfway through the
interview and they go, "Actually, I want
you to delete this." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't consent to you using this. It's
like, well, it's a little bit late now
cuz you did consent. And now that you've
said a whole lot of that makes you
sound like Joseph goals, you
want us to delete your video, but sorry,
these are your opinions and you express
them. Maybe change your opinions.
>> Um, rather than getting me to not report
a, you know.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And so anyway, Elsie and you
tried to do interviews. You couldn't
really do them, could you,
>> because of that?
>> No, I think that was the only one we got
because um everywhere we went, they um
>> the marshals would like Yeah. And just
the marshals would also walk up to
people and say you're not um you're not
to talk to them. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> They're so authoritarian. Really?
>> I know. So much for their like women's autonomy.
autonomy.
>> That women couldn't even use their
bodies to talk to a captain and they
actually wanted to speak to they'd be
like, "Oh, no. You're not to you're not
to talk to them."
>> That's crazy.
>> Wow. Dude, that was just so loud. Leave
me alone. Leave me alone.
>> Sort your own people out, please.
>> So that moment, what was that about? Uh
well, there were those two um two men um allegedly
allegedly
>> they shouldn't really
>> um who are passionately um proabortion.
Yeah. Uh
>> who were they had a little stool set up
>> to um I don't know raise awareness of
Palestine or something.
>> Yeah. Well, these are just random crowd
leftist protesters. Like they go to
every leftist issue mark. I noticed
they've taken all the little ceasefire
now stickers off the table though. They
don't really want to talk about
ceasefires anymore for some reason.
Yeah, I don't know. They just don't like
that subject as much as they used to for
whatever reason. But um Elsie was just
looking at their merchandise and one of
the guys just got his fog horn, which is
that video really doesn't do justice to
how loud this thing was. She he shoved
it right in her face and went, >> "Yeah,
>> "Yeah,
>> it's like the thing could give you
hearing damage. Not even joking." You know,
know,
>> it's so gross.
>> It's very violent. Yeah.
>> For a man to do that to a woman. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> These people are just um and then I
haven't heard one single proabortion person
person
>> call this out
>> on social media or or anywhere else
since. They're all totally cool with
violence against women, which is to me
>> not surprising, but given their claims
about who they are and what they represent,
represent,
>> it's crazy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And then the next thing that
happened is Elsie uh like Tammy Franks
does this shout out if you want to call
it that to Elsie. Uh let's watch.
>> But what has changed is this little
woman here with the camera and her
minions and her colleagues who are out
to get as many clicks as they can and
get people to subscribe. [Music]
>> That's literally about me, guys. They
want they want followers. They want clout.
clout. >> Crazy.
>> Crazy.
>> Wow. It is crazy. Like
>> it is crazy.
>> Like this is a politician, you know, um
who has supposed to has been elected to
to actually
um a position where she
should really have some decorum to use a
word of
>> of their own, you know. And then she's
actually actively inciting a crowd to a
crowd that's actually already
demonstrated her right in front of her
demonstrated its capacity for >> violence
>> violence >> violence
>> violence
>> to turn on a unprotected woman. I wasn't
even there at that point because I had
to go and um deal with the kids, you
know what I mean?
>> And being looked after elsewhere.
>> Yeah. Cuz I was away all week. James was
solo parenting and doing this. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Uh and and then um she's she's
pulled that move, you know? Um
>> it actually felt very biblical like when
I watched that and I I sort of feel like
that's like the they've got the stones
and they're like trying to like throw
them at Elsie. Like it feels like a
moment like that. Like Tammy's literally
up the front. And so she, you know, she
claims she's a victim of bullying and
she did, you know, went on about that
this year and that is literally her
bullying Elsie. I don't think anyone
thinks Tammy is the victim.
>> Yeah. But it it's so gross. Um, and
then, um, I wanted to just show you the
Channel 9 news report because like the
media was there and you would think, I
mean, you wouldn't you I'm not gonna
like you guys, we all know just how
biased and compromised they are, but but
I mean, yeah, they just like you would
think that they would maybe like give
Elsie a fair go perhaps just because
like this is just such obvious like
harassment and bullying and assault of
her. Um, but they didn't. Let's watch
the Channel 9 news report.
>> The right to a deeply personal choice
and ignores the complex realities behind
why people terminate their pregnancy.
Prolife activists disagree. It's
>> just about saving babies that are
basically about to be born.
>> An unpopular opinion today.
>> I mean, it's pretty upsetting, but it's
it's nothing to be surprised about. All
they care about is trying to disrupt
other movements.
>> I don't think that I was hurtful. I
think I was actually hurt being here.
Why did you choose to say if it was helpful?
>> I think we're good now. That's my answer.
answer. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> The abortion bill will likely be voted
on in the upper house in a fortnight's
time. Samantha Hogan, 9 News.
>> So, that was a nine news report uh that
then got syndicated on Sky.
I just like they didn't show any of the
Elsie being shoved, being pushed with a
sign, like none of the violence and and
and yet they completely stitched her up
because I spoke to Elsie about that
interview and she said that she told the
media, "I'm only going to answer one
question because I'm not used to being
on the media. Like, she's never been
interviewed by TV reporters before um or
even any journalist." And so she said to
them, "I'm just going to answer one
question and that'll be it." And so she
answered the question.
>> Well, yeah. Yeah. So, that chick
Samantha Hogan, I I saw her. I I had a
little chat with her beforehand,
actually. I said, "Look, we're really
not entirely happy with the way that you
guys have been editing these um news
videos lately
>> cuz we've had issues with N."
>> Nine is so incredibly biased on the
>> They're so biased. And um and she goes,
"Oh, it wasn't it's not my not my fault.
They get done in the news." Sorry, not
good enough, Samantha Hogan. It's your
name on the article. And that was so
unethical what I just saw there. Um, for starters,
