0:02 How do you manage
0:06 the risk financial risk associated with
0:08 interest rates?
0:12 So, so this interest rate risk remember
0:18 is about the possibility of you losing money
0:21 money
0:30 The question is why?
0:34 Because you might have an asset
0:37 that gives you income
0:40 based on interest rate.
0:46 Or you might even have a loan
0:49 borrowings. Yeah. That you have to pay interest
0:51 interest
0:54 that is also based on interest rate.
0:57 It's not impossible.
1:00 So you might some some people even
1:03 expect some payment to be made and that
1:06 payment might be tied to maybe rates or
1:08 maybe it's a late payment you get some
1:11 interest on top of it or whatever. So
1:14 whatever you have
1:20 that's exposive you to lose money
1:24 whenever interest rate changes then
1:28 that exact thing is exposing you to
1:31 interest rate risk and what you are
1:33 trying to do is to minimize that risk.
1:36 So you want to minimize it.
1:38 Which means take for instance if you
1:40 have a borrowing
1:42 that borrowing
1:45 definitely might have
1:48 an interest rate that is fixed.
1:52 And if that interest rate is fixed
1:56 then if the market interest rate reduces
1:58 which means normally you're supposed to
2:01 be paying lower if you have used market.
2:03 If they have already fixed it, you'll be
2:06 paying higher.
2:08 And the fact that you are paying higher
2:10 when you should be paying lower, you
2:13 will not be perfectly happy with that
2:15 because what you want is to always pay
2:23 The same way you might have a floating
2:26 loan that is a floating rate interest
2:28 loan where you are paying based on what
2:31 the market is saying.
2:34 So which means if the market is going up
2:37 your interest rate will be going up and
2:39 your interest expense as well will be
2:41 going up and you will not be happy at
2:43 that point you now be thinking oh had I
2:46 known I should have just fixed that rate
2:48 so that I don't have to be paying
2:51 interest rates that is very high so you
2:54 sometimes you can't tell
2:56 and that is the reason why you have to
2:59 think about edging
3:02 Because like I always tell you, edging
3:04 is not an opportunity for you to make
3:06 profit. Edging is not an opportunity for
3:10 you to make money. Edging is just a
3:15 strategy to minimize your loss.
3:17 loss.
3:20 And listen carefully is minimizing your
3:21 loss. It doesn't mean that you can
3:24 eliminate your loss.
3:26 Sometimes you might be able to depending
3:30 on your strategy but not all strategy
3:32 for edging interest rates will eliminate
3:35 it for you. But one thing for sure that
3:37 you need to know is that it doesn't stop
3:41 you from making loss. The same way it
3:43 might not stop you from making gain but
3:45 one thing you know for sure is that both
3:49 gain and losses will be very minimized
3:52 when you are edging. So what we're going
3:56 to look at now is how do we go about it?
3:58 This edging of interest rate risk. What
4:00 are the strategies? What are the
4:02 instruments that we have to use? What do
4:04 we need to do?
4:06 So we're going to look into various
4:09 strategies. Yeah. How do we manage
4:11 interest rate risk? The first thing that
4:15 I'm going to look at is the FRA which I
4:18 introduced to you briefly
4:20 when we were looking at risk management
4:36 FRA is the combination of two things.
4:38 Please take note because it's different
4:40 from your typical forward you use in currency
4:42 currency
4:44 f in forward currency all you needed to
4:46 do was just to fix the rate and you do
4:48 your transaction at that rate that's all
4:51 it's all about the FX rate but when
4:54 you're talking of FRA you're talking of
4:58 the interest rate itself
5:01 that you're trying to fix and also there
5:08 which is the road the amount that you are
5:11 are
5:13 actually trying to loan
5:15 or they are trying to invest if it's a
5:18 deposit cuz like I said in my introduction
5:20 introduction
5:23 your interest rate risk will be as a
5:25 result of either the loan that you have
5:28 or the asset that you have but both of
5:30 them are giving you value based on
5:33 interest it.
5:37 So for FRA few things I'm going to tell
5:40 you that you need to note. Yeah. And the
5:43 first thing is the fact that you need to
5:49 know when to buy or when to sell.
5:52 If you want to
5:53 to
5:57 pay at FRA, which means
6:02 you definitely have a loan,
6:06 you have a loan at an interest and you
6:11 think most likely in the future the loan
6:14 that you're planning to take or the loan
6:17 you currently have that is moving with
6:19 the market rate, the interest rate might
6:22 be going up. So which means when you
6:26 have a borrowing
6:30 remember your risk is always that rates
6:36 So which means you will prefer to fix
6:44 is to fix the rate so that you don't
6:47 have to pay at higher rate. You are
6:49 happy to pay at lower rate but you don't
6:52 want to pay at higher rate. So you fix
6:54 the rate.
6:57 When you fix the rate
7:00 what does that do for you? Please take
7:05 note when I buy or sell
7:08 buyers of FRA
7:09 will always remember when you buy
7:12 something you have to pay. Yeah. So that
7:15 helps you to remember buyers will pay at FRA
7:18 FRA
7:23 which means your interest will be at FRA
7:26 fixed I mean your forward rate agreement
7:30 rate and the sellers of FRA
7:34 will receive remember seller if you sell
7:37 something you will be expecting to
7:39 receive something so that helps you to
7:42 also memorize that at rate.
7:44 rate.
7:49 Yeah. So if you think about this
7:51 then you can see that if you have a
7:54 borrowing then it means that you need to
7:56 be buying FRA.
8:02 Yeah. Such that
8:04 you pay
8:13 And since sellers usually receives at
8:16 the forward rate agreement rate then you
8:25 then you should be a seller.
8:27 If you have a borrowing remember you
8:29 should be a buyer
8:31 but if you have a deposit you should be
8:33 a seller. Why should you be a seller?
8:38 cause your risk is the the fact that rates
8:40 rates
8:42 might come down. So if you know that
8:44 rates is likely going to come down, you
8:47 are happy to fix your rate and receive
8:51 at that fixed rate. So you are happy to
8:55 receive at fixed rate. So that's why if
8:57 you have a deposit then you want to be a
9:02 seller in an FRA agreement.
9:04 Very important to note this interpretation.
9:06 interpretation.
9:08 Yeah. Because
9:11 if you have a deposit which is an
9:13 investment, this is like investment.
9:15 That's what we're talking about. You're
9:18 meant to receive interest income at the
9:21 market rate or at the spot trade when
9:22 you go into that transaction in the
9:26 future. Yeah. So if you think in that
9:29 future rate would have come down then
9:30 what you want to do is to fix a rate
9:33 that your interest income will come in
9:35 the future and that's why you're using
9:39 the FRA and you are happy to fix.
9:44 So how do you know when you make
9:47 loss or profit
9:51 on FRA? That's another thing I'm talking
9:53 on under this first point of buying and
9:55 selling because when you are buying or
9:57 you are selling is for a purpose and
9:59 that is how it helps you to edge because
10:03 it is a profit or loss on your FRA that
10:05 is being added to the real transaction.
10:08 Remember what I said you always going to
10:09 have the real transaction regardless
10:12 right apart from your FRA that is on
10:15 interest rate. So which means that the
10:17 profit or loss that you're making on FRA
10:20 will be added to your actual outcome of
10:22 the transaction to really get your net
10:24 position. But how do you get your loss
10:26 or profit? One thing you need to first
10:28 of all understand is the fact that
10:31 whether you are a buyer
10:34 or you are a seller,
10:37 you will have to pay
10:41 an amount. Yeah. that is subject to the
10:45 outcome of the spot rate.
10:48 Yeah. Subject to the market rate. Yeah.
10:52 Or spot on transaction date.
10:54 And how do you know how much you are
11:00 Think about it this way.
11:03 If you are a buyer,
11:19 which is the agreed rate minus the spot.
11:24 So take for instance if
11:28 F has been agreed at 6%.
11:31 And come on the transaction date the
11:34 market rate is doing 4%.
11:39 for a buyer. A buyer must be definitely
11:45 someone that has borrowed money. So,
11:53 This person has a loan. If you have a loan
11:56 loan
12:00 and you have FRA fixed at 6% and come on
12:02 the day you want to really borrow your
12:05 money market is doing 4%.
12:08 You could see clearly that you are
12:10 disadvantaged because you could have
12:14 borrowed at 4% but unfortunately
12:16 you have borrowed at 6%.
12:19 Because you have fixed yourself at 6%.
12:23 So which means this is a loss for you.
12:24 That's why I call it you are paying. Remember
12:27 Remember
12:34 If you have to pay it means you are
12:36 making a loss.
12:38 But if you are receiving you are making
12:41 a gain. So and what how much is that
12:45 loss? F rate which is 6%
12:48 less the spot which is the market at 4%.
12:52 So you'll be paying at 2%. And you so buyer
13:00 pays at 2%.
13:04 Which means whoever sells this to him
13:07 will receive this money that the guy is paying
13:08 paying
13:12 at the same 2%.
13:27 Similarly, the same thing goes for seller
13:29 seller
13:31 but in a different direction. For a
13:34 seller, a seller will have to pay which
13:37 means a seller will be making a loss.
13:41 Yeah. Pays or making a loss
13:44 using this formula. this time around is
13:47 going to be at the spot the market rate
13:57 if
14:00 you are a seller which means you have a
14:04 deposit that is when you will sell
14:07 and you think rate will come down so you
14:15 And come in the future when the
14:17 transaction is about to take place the
14:22 market trade has now turned to
14:26 five let's say 6%.
14:28 Means you're going to be excited to say
14:31 yes I knew I knew the rate will come
14:34 down that is why I fixed at 7%. Look at
14:37 it market is doing 6% but it's no more
14:39 my problem because I already had a rate
14:42 fixed at 7%. And that is why if you see
14:45 how much is this guy going to pay spot
14:47 is 6%.
14:52 And FRA is 7%. So this is a negative one
14:56 in this case he's not paying negative 1.
14:57 Paying negative 1 means he's receiving
15:01 1% and that is again so it's a receipt.
15:03 So please take note.
15:06 So which means the seller receives 1% in
15:08 this scenario. And if it was the other
15:10 way around, it would have been the one
15:13 paying because by that time he fixed at 6%
15:14 6%
15:17 and the spot is doing 7% because it's
15:18 losing and that would have been a
15:20 positive one. That's the proper payment,
15:23 proper loss. So please take note because
15:26 I don't want this negative sign start
15:29 confusing you. Just note that that is
15:32 the formula. If you're going all you
15:34 need to do is to just know one formula.
15:36 You don't need to start I mean confusing
15:38 yourself. Once you know that the buyer
15:40 is F minus spot then the seller is spot
15:43 minus FRA. Then you know that whatever
15:45 happens to the buyer opposite happens to
15:46 the seller. Like in this scenario that
15:48 I've given you now where we discover
15:52 that the seller will have to pay minus
15:55 one which is the same thing as receiving
15:56 plus one because there's nothing like
15:58 paying negative.
16:01 Receiving plus one means it is a profit
16:04 for the seller. That means the buyer of
16:07 this kind of contract is making a loss
16:12 and in that case he will pay at 1%.
16:15 Please take note that's the very first
16:17 thing you need to know about FR. You
16:21 need to know when you are buying
16:24 and when you are selling and also how
16:27 your transactions can give rise to
16:31 payment or receipt because this outcome
16:34 this outcome 1% or 2% is what you need
16:38 to add to your real interest to your
16:40 principle to get your net position. Both
16:44 of these gives you your net position of edging.
16:51 Okay,
16:52 that's the first thing you need to know.
16:55 The second thing I'm going to mention is
16:57 the quotes.
17:00 The quotes
17:03 that you are used to
17:05 under FX
17:08 the FX tricks that we just finished is
17:10 different from the kind of code you will
17:13 see here. And also you might be thinking
17:16 maybe the code to be like 5% 3%
17:17 3%
17:21 like that but I'm going to get there.
17:23 The first thing I'm going to tell you
17:27 first of all is the fact that it has a
17:30 nomenclature a naming system that starts with
17:32 with
17:35 the time between now and when the
17:38 transaction is going to take place.
17:42 So take for instance if today is year zero
17:44 zero
17:49 and let's say this is January that's
17:52 today let's say January 1st year zero today
17:59 if you are looking to have a transaction
18:02 in 3 months
18:04 which means
18:06 March 31st
18:09 You want to sign an agreement.
18:12 The question is this loan agreement that
18:14 you are planning to sign in March. Yeah.
18:23 for the loan. Yeah. If the ten of that
18:27 loan is 6 months. So this is 6 months
18:31 and the delay is 3 months.
18:34 So today you are thinking of a
18:36 transaction that will occur in the
18:37 future which is a signing of a loan
18:40 agreement and that loan will be a six
18:48 What you are saying there is when you're
18:52 looking for quotes this is going to be
18:54 quoted as
18:57 because the the the edging period
18:59 remember is 3 months. That's where you
19:01 start from because this is today that
19:03 you're saying okay I don't know what the
19:05 rate will be by the time I'm signing
19:07 this loan in 3 months time. So I want to
19:10 do FR today to manage the risk of that
19:14 future. So which means I'm starting with
19:16 3 months
19:18 then dash
19:23 I know that this loan tenor is 6 month.
19:25 It's not going to be -6 because that is
19:29 a common mistake I've seen looking I
19:32 mean making instead because three months
19:36 already gone plus another six
19:39 is 9. So that's 6 + 3 then that means
19:44 what you are looking for is 3-9 F. So by
19:46 time we get into calculation and you are
19:48 seeing different
19:51 FR coded you should be able to identify
19:53 the right FR code. you should be using
19:56 because imagine in this transaction they
20:00 give you a quote say okay maybe 5% to 3%
20:04 then you have another one 3 to 8 fra
20:08 they give you maybe 3 to six or 4 to 8
20:09 like that like that you should know that
20:12 all these ones are noises and they're
20:16 nothing you should be using
20:20 right the quote for 3-9 is what has to
20:22 be relevant for you the other way is
20:25 they might also say 3 versus 9
20:26 is the same thing they are saying
20:30 whether they put dash or they put V
20:33 is the same thing.
20:34 The next thing you need to note about
20:36 how this is different is the way the
20:43 which you might probably have seen an
20:45 idea here.
20:47 You remember when we're doing currency
20:50 we always say there's a buy rate and
20:52 there's a sell rate.
20:55 And we believe that bank will always
20:57 sell at a higher rate than the buy rates.
20:59 rates.
21:02 That is for currency.
21:11 you need to understand the way the quote
21:15 is slightly different
21:18 and it's not that the principle is
21:21 different. The principle is still the
21:23 same thing. And what is the principle?
21:26 The principle is that the bank will
21:30 always make money on the transaction.
21:33 And which means if bank will always make money
21:35 money
21:38 on the transaction,
21:42 it means that bank will make sure that
21:44 when people give them money,
21:47 they pay
21:49 interest on that money.
21:54 that is much cheaper than the interest
21:57 that they will pay when they are giving
22:01 that same money out to people. So what
22:04 am I saying? Naturally what you will see
22:07 is that in interest rate quotes usually
22:09 you will see it looking like the higher
22:11 rate is being written first and the
22:16 lower rate is written after.
22:19 But whichever the case you see, the
22:21 bottom line is that you must know that
22:24 the bank will
22:26 will pay
22:28 pay
22:36 for investing which is people that are
22:39 giving their deposit to bank.
22:42 We pay a lower rate for
22:45 let me put it to investors so that it's
22:50 clear lower rates to investors whereas
22:51 whereas
22:58 higher rates from
23:08 So investors are like the lenders the
23:10 people that give their money to the bank.
23:12 bank.
23:14 So which means if you see a quote like
23:18 this means that 5%
23:22 is the borrowing rate and 3% is the
23:33 before I move on any question at this
23:45 So what we are saying
23:48 invariably is that when you have a borrowing
23:54 what is your risk
23:58 your exposure is that you don't want
24:05 Anybody that have borings will be so
24:12 And if you have deposit,
24:14 the problem is that you want to make
24:17 money and you will be having sleepless
24:28 And if you are exposed [snorts] to any
24:29 of this
24:33 and you want to use a far then
24:34 then
24:37 that is what we want to learn right now.
24:39 But remember what I said anytime you are
24:42 thinking of FRA you need to remember that
24:44 that
24:47 it is a combination of the FRA itself
24:49 which is the rate you're trying to agree
24:53 for the future plus the loan itself the principle
24:54 principle remember
24:56 remember
24:58 very important it's
25:01 it's
25:05 only when you have that combination that
25:10 you can actually say okay you are edging