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This content explores the enduring archetypal roles of men – the Father, the Striker, and the Lord of the Earth – as fundamental frameworks for understanding and navigating the eternal human struggle between chaos and order, and for creating, championing, and perpetuating order in the world.

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welcome back to 21 convention 2021 in

orlando florida it is my distinct

pleasure to introduce the following man

he's an author poet

poet mystic

mystic

and without a doubt a warrior he's

he's

incredibly famous and incredibly influential

influential

writings on men

masculinity are becoming quickly tomes

within the manosphere

and appropriately so

it is my pleasure to introduce the man

all right today i'm going to talk to you

the father the striker and the lord of

the earth

three eternal forms

that i believe we see repeated over and

over again

throughout philosophy and myth

and religion and history

and i believe that these three forms are

eternally relevant for men

because they relate directly

to three different kinds of challenges

that men have always faced

in our ongoing struggle

to create champion

champion

and perpetuate order

now

when you write and speak about

masculinity and the nature of men in a

there's a bit of a paradox because

because

it is in the nature of men to

break up into separate groups

and create their own

orders and they're competing groups and so

they create their own cultures and their

own religions and their own ideas

and so on the surface when you look at

all these different groups of men

you know their cultures their ideas are

very different

you know but that's who we are

you know we are a tribal animal

so in order to really understand the

nature of man what you have to do is

zoom out

go up to that thousand foot view

uh and then in the germanic tradition it

was called uh heidsgolf it was odin's

high seat

and from there you can see everything

and everything that ever was

and we kind of have that now with our uh

you know handheld uh you know high seats

that we can see the entire world on them

and everything that's ever happened

and so

you know we look at the world and you

look at everything that's ever happened

and you say what

what have we been doing

for the past few hundred years

for the past few hundred thousand years

what have we been doing what have we

been up to

what challenges do we have to face

you know what were our solutions

to all these problems that we had to face

and i believe that

when you look at all that

you see we've been facing a lot of the

same problems and doing the same things

and i believe that our problems are the

same and our solutions are the same and

our ideals

our gods our heroes

we create the same ideals in many ways

over and over again because

because

in many ways these gods and heroes and

ideals are

they're ideal versions of ourselves that

face the same kinds of challenges that

we face

but they just do everything better

i believe it's always been the job of men

men

whether you're talking about you know

australian aborigines

or people in africa or people in europe

people in asia

it's always been the job of men

to venture out

and create a perimeter

of safety and order

in which human life can flourish

to venture out

into confusion and try to make sense of it

to go out into the unknown and make it known

known

to wander into nature's wild

anarchy and impose

i believe it has always been a job of men

men

to create light in the middle of darkness

darkness

it's always been our job to build a fire

now i'm going to talk about chaos and

order a lot because i think that's the

big struggle

the struggle beyond struggles is a

struggle between chaos and order

but you know what we should define our

terms a little bit what is chaos and

well you know when people think of chaos

what they think of you know just

something it's crazy it's crazy what's

going on

and that's not too far from

the truth i think but i like to be a

little bit more precise in my definitions

definitions

so i think chaos is a state of non-differentiation

non-differentiation

a state in which

and a state of disorientation

like what is up and what is down and

where am i going what's happening

and i realized this morning while i was

writing this and after i made this slide

that i should add an element of time as well

well

because what happens in chaos is that

our ability to predict the future

our reliable patterns break down

so you know when you're in chaos what's

going on i don't know what's going to happen

happen

and that's

what is more terrifying

than being in a state of chaos

and disorder like

i don't know what is what

i don't know

where i'm going i don't know up and down

you know i i don't know what's going to happen

happen

and that's that i think that's the most

terrifying thing to men in the world we

and that gets close to the ancient greek

definition of chaos it's closer to the abyss

abyss

in a dramatic could be a primordial gap

a yawning gap

a space in which you know all matter is present

present

but undifferentiated everything is there

but it doesn't have a name

and almost all mythologies start out

this way almost all creation stories

start out in this place

they start out in darkness

and everything is there but

there's no direction nothing means anything

anything

and really that's that's kind of a state

of pre-life and post life

as well at least for our bodies

and that's what we're afraid of going

back to the place where

our matter is the same as dirt

and the struggle of life is really a

struggle of differentiation

like we're differentiated

as long as we're here

and you know it's very popular for a

whole bunch of people to take you know

mushrooms in iosqua and ayahuasca and

then they uh they

invariably they're like their experience

is the same it's like man

we're all made of stars

everything's connected everything's the same

same

and that's a red flag for me in a weird

way i mean it's true it's not wrong

everything is connected we are all made

of stars sure but

but

while we're alive we are differentiated

there's a real there's a bad logical

problem that follows from

you know everything is the same because

the next thing that follows is

then nothing matters

so everything starts in this state of

the abyss

in most creation stories

and then someone comes in

and differentiates

it says this is this and that is that in

the bible

in the beginning there was the word

and i believe that translates to logos

and and logos really means logic and reason

reason

so you're differentiating between things

and that's what gods do and that's what

men have to do

and that's that's what the sun does

that's why i always like the solar

thing you know there's all these things

floating around the universe and then

all of a sudden they become predictable

predictable

its gravitational pull makes them

predictable and pulls them into a

predictable orbit

and he orders you know the sun orders

the the universe

and to think about

how important words are and how

important definitions are

i i came up with this the other day uh

if you're gonna play rock paper scissors

everybody knows that game rock paper scissors

scissors

in order to play that game

we all have to agree on what a rock is

and what paper is and what scissors are

and not only that but they also have

certain properties

you know the rock can crush the scissors

the scissors can cut the paper

and you know the paper can cover the rock

rock

and those are all rules because all

definitions are fundamentally rules

that's what words are

you know but to say that uh that's a

glass of water means that it is not

a tripod

and uh that you know that's if we don't

have that everything falls apart because

if you're trying to play rock paper

scissors in a world where you can't

agree on what rocks are and what

scissors are

throw the table up there's no

doesn't matter it's total nihilism why

play the game nothing matters at all

and so i think you know people lose it

well it's just changing a word a little

bit but changing words means changing

meaning and that means changing everything

so i'm going to tell you a little story

that i i've told before

and i call the story the first men and

they're not the story it's they're not

the first men who ever lived

but they're the first man in our story

and most stories start out in this same way

and

what happens in the story the first man

is that

you know

they leave a place you know first you

have to imagine that you don't have

google maps

in fact you don't have maps

and so that's most of human history uh

you're just in the wilderness and you

really don't know that you don't even

have a sense of the globe

or continents

or even much farther than you can see

that's that's very chaotic so

if you wander through

this space let's say that you left a

place and you can't go back and this

happens all the time for various reasons

maybe a tribe came in and burned all

your village down

uh you know maybe maybe you had a fight

with somebody and they don't want you

there anymore

but a group of men for whatever reason

leave a place and go to another place

they are entering a state of chaos

they don't have a home they have nowhere

to go to so they're disoriented

you know they're going you know into

into the unknown territory

and so i had a little animation created

for this

uh that i've been thinking about for a

long time to to visualize moving through

this you know open territory of the unknown

unknown

where you don't know where you're going and

and

you know when the sun goes down at night

you know

its light goes away and your ability to

see the difference between things the

differentiation goes away

so you build a fire

that's what men have been doing all over

the world over and over and over again

you build a fire what does the fire do

the fire allows you to see

everything around you within a specific

perimeter that it creates itself

and so you can see everything and so you

can put everything in that circle you

can put it in order

you say this is this and that is that

and that is my friend that is my other friend

and this kind of circle of order expands

until the light of the fire collapses

and the light of the fire becomes home

and if you wander beyond that circle of order

order

into the unknown chaotic world as long

as you can see that fire you know where

home is

and that becomes the essence of really

what what is sacred

what is most important to us

that's the light that you know wherever

we are we can still see it if we don't

have that we are in a perpetual state of

chaos and that's of course very terrifying

terrifying

so there are jobs that you have to do

you know this and these are the jobs

that always that men have always had to

do and that's where i think these

archetypes come from

is that

you know you have the fire you have to

create order and make definitions and

draw lines and make words

and determine what is going to happen

what the rules are

and that's the job

of the archetype i call the father

and his job is to deal with the

decision-making and order and so forth

and then

the guy who has to go to the outside of

that circle

if you've read the way of men you'll

recognize his job

i mean that's the striker he has to go

to the outside of the circle to protect

everything that is outside the circle

i mean inside the circle for everything

that is outside the circle and what is

inside the circle is really everything

that he cares about

it's always friends

it's all his resources

and it is also ideas the ideas that he

cares about his sacred order

you know all that is what he's

protecting when he walks the edge of

that perimeter

and then finally if you're going to keep

if you want human life to flourish

you're like well this is a good enough

camp we're gonna we're gonna settle here

all the work that has to happen

to keep that going the uh you know like

well we're gonna build some things and

then we're gonna do uh you know all the

things that we need to do to make life

work life happen

you know maybe do some farming get see

if we can you know domesticate some of

these uh aurochs

you know uh

but yeah uh

you know

you you adapt the environment we change

it like humans when they walk into an

environment we change it and adapt it to

our needs

and that's really what i call the lord

of the earth

because he interacts with the earth and

and

you know shapes it in a way that uh you

there we go

so we talked about the sacred what is

holy what is sacred

your understanding of the world

and i want to talk a little bit about

the idea of hierarchy and hierarchy is a

really cool word um because it

we talk about hierarchy all the time and

you probably don't know what it actually

the roots of it mean

i mean hierarchy you know hierarchies of

value hierarchies of you know like

military hierarchies all those kind of

things but

the root the higher part of hierarchy

actually means holy

so it is what is sacred and what is holy

and so it really and then this you know

the arche from which we get anarchy and

and all the other argues um

that becomes you know that's that's our

rule so you rule by what is holy

and that's that's a really powerful

concept to think about what is what is

sacred what are our core values that we

rule everything else

by and i kind of like the idea we have a

perimeter already you know raises up

like what is the highest point and then

of course that's upward and towards the

sun and god and on all that kind of thing

thing

and the highest point of our values is

always going to be our most excellent thing

thing

like our the most excellent version of

our virtue the highest form of our virtue

virtue

and uh you know the ancient greeks called

called

and uh you

you

that's that's what you're reaching for

reaching for and then everything below

that and further out from that becomes

less excellent

not as good

and men men need this men men need the

idea that like this is what good is and

this is what not good is

and there are all kinds of variations in

between there's you know a b c d and e

and uh you know that is order that's how

we like to see our world order and men

don't care so much if they're at level c

or level b but they know they want to

know where a is

and a well a

a stands for avete and that's the that's

the highest form

and there's a book that i really

recommend if you want to talk about what

is sacred and what is profane it's

actually called the sacred and the

profane by mercy eliata

and he talks a lot about this and if

you're you know a christian because i'm

talking to obviously all kinds of

different men's from all kinds of

different groups and all kinds of

he talks about the idea of a church

well a church would be

the most sacred place it's actually a

building and everything that in that church

church

to like say a catholic would be every

everything that's in that church and in

china that hurts and symbolized by that

church is the most holy thing

and then you know you go towards the

lobby and uh the bathroom and the door

and as you get further and further away

from that church it becomes more profane

and that's a great way to think about

we talked about these three jobs

creating order perpetuating order and

and

championing order

and i think they re they relate to a

system that we've seen over and over

again in comparative mythology

and i call it a tripartite system and i

got that from somebody and i'll explain

that in a second i started

when i started writing the the fire in

the dark

when i started writing this book i was

performing a lot of germanic rituals and

i was dealing a lot with the gods odin

thor and frey

and i performed some rituals and uh was

thinking about that for a while and i

was like well what did they do what is

their purpose what is their function and

well yeah odin you know creates order he

murders giants starts the world

uh you know creates the order

king of the gods all that kind of thing

and uh you know you have thor who's

clearly the protector of order he's the

striker form

and then you have frey who's a fertility god

god

you know kind of governs all kinds of

crops and fertility and and fruitfulness

and so you know as i did more research i

was going to write the book and this the

the book fire in the dark was originally

going to be titled odin thor frey but

but

as i looked into it more and more and

more like there was just so much more

there because you see this tripartite

system over and over and over again and

someone who picked that up a long time

ago in the indo-european system was

george dumasil

and uh

he he wrote he called it the sovereign

the military and the productive

and he's a pretty famous i think he was

a philologist you know a lot of cool

guys are philologists

uh but uh

that's that's basically what he came up

with in comparative religion uh and uh

you know we talked about the same ideas

that i'm talking about with odin thor

and frey

uh plato talked about it in the republic

uh he called them you know his uh you

know philosopher kings were the

guardians and then the warriors who

worked under them were the auxiliaries

and you know everybody else was

merchants and farmers and all the people

that they ruled over and but also fed

them you know and gave them everything

that they needed

and many of you have probably read uh

you know robert moore's king magician

warrior lover

it's a very popular book in you know

men's circles uh from the you know the

80s 90s and

and

you know

there's some problems with that book

because a little bit has a little bit of

a feminine influence but

but

he talks about the same

basic three forms his king and his magician

magician

match up with some things that dumasil

said about the differential

and uh obviously warrior same

same lover

lover

matches up pretty well with the uh

appetites and productive function

and then my friend robert mick

brian mickler uh

he uh you know you may know him from the

order of man

a very popular podcast and and he has a

group and he wrote in his book uh about

sovereignty that

you know he used protect provide preside

and again those are the same exact functions

functions

you know it is just you know like in a

different order you know

uh preside would be the the

father role

you know protect you know would

obviously be the warrior role and

provide would obviously be the

productive function

and i'll talk about this with each of

them but each of these

you know there's there's a nice greek

word for at least two of those uh the

the uh

you know product the uh

ordering function

is obviously governed by logos and

animated by logos and then the the uh

the champion of order and i like to say champion

champion because

because

when we just talk about protecting it's

all defensive

and that's really not all that warriors

ever were and that's got a little bit of

a cop out in terms of like just what

warriors just didn't just defend

sometimes the purpose of warriors to go

is and expand your community

and maybe in order to survive you need

to go and take this stuff from that

other community

and that's what warriors have done for

most of history so i think you know we

can whitewash that and pretend that they

they only respond to threats but that's

not that's not how it's usually worked

uh you know heroes actually go out in

and fight battles so before they come to

the perimeter in many cases so uh

so the champion of order he would he

would be animated by thumbos and we'll

talk about that more later and then the

god who perpetuates order

would be animated by appetite because we

so we'll begin with the father

the creator of order

now we see we see this again and again

you might know him as god

you might recognize him as god uh but i

mean there is a father in the sky in

almost every system and

and

i think the reason why

it's specifically a sky father

is that

you know when you're a boy

you look upward

to your father

you literally look up to your father

it's not just a figure of speech you

look up to your father because he's

taller than you and

and

he represents

in some sense you know for for a girl he

represents a model of what a man is but

for a young man he represents a model of

what he will become

or what he could become

but of course the truth of that is is

that you never actually become your father

father

that's impossible he's he's himself

so there's something beyond a father

something higher than a father

the father of fathers he's he's the

ideal father

one father to rule them all odin is

called the all father and

and

i think that i think that's why you know

it's so

normal i mean so much of stuff i like to

talk about is so simple and repetitive

because we've been doing it over and

over and over and over again and it's

just everyone has that experience that

your father is higher than you

and why would he not be in the sky where

light and the sun is and the sun

provides order

you know there's no real system in which

darkness is

symbolizes good

and uh you know the light symbolizes

evil that that almost never happens

and we've been doing the same thing

creating the same ideas over and over again

again

so he's motivated by logos which is of

and each of these

figures has a kind of excellence to them

like what is their excellence what is

and of course he's going to be involved

in problem solving

and the other thing about the father and

the symbolism of the father and the

striker are often very similar because

the father and the striker

the striker usually becomes a father

where he doesn't have to become a father

basically like you can't become a father

without usually being an ascended striker

striker

uh you know all

most of the whether you're george

washington or zeus you had to kill a

monster of chaos before you could take

and throughout this book i like to frame

it in in two different senses what what

is the role of the father and he has two

different roles

a father in darkness

which would be the stuff that you aren't

supposed to see

like you're not see if you're being you

know if you're the kid

or the you know the the people being

ruled you're not supposed to see the

father in darkness because

because

you know if you're a good leader in any way

way

man that's hard

that's hard work

and you have to sit and think of like oh

what are the consequences to all the

things that i could do and there's so

many possible outcomes and this could

hurt this person and this could hurt

that person

and i'm setting a precedent here and

maybe that's a bad precedent

now that's a lot to think about

so you know we i think that there's a

job of the father that doesn't get seen

a lot and you're not supposed to see it

because you know if dad freaks out then

everybody freaks out

but uh you know any any leader or father

who's you know worth his sultan actually

cares about his kids or his people

is going to be a little stressed out

sometimes and confused about what he

so i think it's it's symbolized really well

well by

ron his soul solar barge

uh he's an egyptian god of the sun and

he symbolizes you know in the ancient

world obviously the sun goes down and

where did it go it disappeared for the

whole night

well ra in the stories goes and fights

chaos monsters all night long and

and

in the morning

you know he defeats them and therefore

the sun rises again

and it's just a really beautiful image and

and

it's also really symbolized really well

the the father and darkness is

symbolized really well by odin

uh because

you know there's a story about odin that

he was on the tree of life igresville

for you know a whole

you know nine nights

it was windy no one gave him any you

know horn or loaf and

and he

did this not for

you know it wasn't a sacrifice it sounds

christ-like but it's not quite the same thing

thing

he did this for knowledge

for in this case the symbolism and magic

of writing in the runes

and so he sacrificed himself at night

and went through this ordeal to

and then the father in light as i said

you know

he makes an overseas laws

because he's already made his decision

that's this is the part that you see

this is the confident father who tells

you okay this is what we're going to do

and this is why this is the course of

and

i love the idea this is a great image

and i think i just heard that somebody

else used it but

but

we love this image because it shows what

the father does he draws lines

and that's present in the language as well

well

in the

rex is which is the roman

version of king

but it's also in the royal styles of

like the british royal family uh

versions of rex i mean it's a queen

right now so it's like regina or

something like that but it's in part of

their titles

it corresponds to the rajan in the uh vedic

vedic

uh kind of an ancient indian culture

and uh it goes back to a

proto-indo-european root which i talk

about that a lot and it's it's really a

theoretical language that a lot of

languages come from

and that's

or you know however they don't even know

how to pronounce it it's all theoretical

but uh

all these things mean to write or

straighten oneself

they come from write

write

draws lines that's what that's what

kings do they draw lines they make

boundaries they make rules

and what's cool that we also have

another rule

another word for that which is ruler

that's what a ruler does a ruler is a

king and also someone who draws lines

all these things just come together in

second archetype that i want to talk

about is the striker

as i said he's a champion of order

and his job is to contend with physical chaos

chaos

you know the father deals with

conceptual chaos and ideas

and his job is to to contend with

physical chaos

and he's motivated by thumbos and thumos

is an ancient greek thing that means

spiritedness is usually how it's translated

translated but

but

you know it's also very close to indignation

indignation

and my best example of thumos i think

for anyone you know living in modern times

times

matter what you think of what happened

on 9 11 or whatever

uh all the guys who joined the military

right after that

that's what thumos is

they're the guys who are like no

this is this is not happening we will go

fight for this

i think uh in christian circles very

there's a popular phrase a lot of

warriors like that it's like it's

something like i'm here send me and

and

you know that's that's what the striker does

does

and his excellence of course would be

the tactical virtues strength courage

and mastery and honor i mean that's what

the book the way of men is really all about

and what's cool about the striker

is that you know you have the sky and

the sun and that's the calm sky the you

know the father in light who is

you know oversees order when all is good

and right

and what

you know what what the striker does

is he's the storm

he's the sky in the he's a storm in the

sky that comes out he's the vengeance of heaven

we see this over and over again and it's

symbolized usually

by a vajra

and this is a vajra this one is from indonesia

indonesia

so it's been filtered through some kind

of buddhism but what's cool about it is

the tines are open

these little points are open uh buddha

apparently closed the tines and

i guess put the safety

on the fire on the lightning weapon

because this is what this is this is a

lightning weapon and you can find it

repeated over and over again throughout

you know all these mythologies

you know indra the the vedic

god who became kind of a different

figure in the hindu stuff later but uh

indra originally is kind of awesome

he has he has a posse of mahroot and he

calls them ma boles

and uh he uh

he wheels this lightning weapon he kills

a serpent

and you know he kills it with this

lightning weapon and

and

if you look at the old pictures of zeus

surprise you got a lightning weapon that

looks almost exactly like this in

but

you know it's in it it translates later

you know it becomes a hammer in the hand

of thor

and i would say that

thunder weapons also come in spears and

guns and other things because that's

what it's it's a great it's a beautiful

metaphor and you can see how like our ancient

ancient

ancestors would have you know you're out

in the wilderness and all of a sudden

lightning comes down from

heaven lightning comes down from heaven

and whatever you're trying to do whether

you're hunting or fighting

i want to do it like that

that that is the ultimate ideal of boom

you know like that that's what you

that's what you want to do

so it it's such an illustrative form but

it's repeated over and over again and

now to talk about the striker in darkness

the striker in darkness i would say is

you know the striker that has to go out

and face monsters because heroes are

really defined by their monsters that's

you know we have all these examples of

famous heroes like i said you know zeus

had to to fight typhon

uh and that's how he got his kingdom

and his son apollo python

python

and theseus you have the minotaur

you know perseus medusa

heracles you know killed a whole bunch

of things

including kind of yeah and uh

you know thor

you know sigurd is known for a dragon

slaying it's it's a common theme over

and over again that the heroes have to

fight monsters and the monsters

represent chaos

because the monsters what they they threaten

threaten

all the predictability

they threaten all the order they

threaten to tear everything apart

so they're these dark forces that

represent chaos and

and

the challenge of the striker i think is

to to

you have to become a monster to fight

monsters you have to become terrible

you know the stories i think from the

from the the rigveda uh

you know you'll see the uh

you know all these striker type figures

they'll become their faces are beautiful

and handsome and then they become

hideous and terrible because you have to

become hideous and terrible to go fight monsters

so the challenge is to become a monster

for a short period of time

and not just become a monster

and i think we see that challenge you

know a lot of the you know veterans and

so forth that i that i talk to uh you

know the challenge is to like come back

from that and you know one of the police

guys who comes here who i'm pretty good

friends with we talk we've talked about

this before like you're dealing with

people on their worst day all the time like

how do you not become really nihilistic

and like and just you know horrible yourself

so there's this repeated phrase because

because

you know heroes kill monsters and

usually they're serpents

and uh you know the people who have gone

through all the academics who've gone

through all the myths and so forth

there's this repeated phrase over and

over again that is even linguistically

uh connected

and it's he went oguim

it means he killed the serpent

and they've been saying he killed the

serpent about the hero again and again

and again and again

all throughout history

he killed the chaos monster

and this really interesting symbol

symbolism if you think about it

the snake eagles actually kill snakes

you know heroes are generally

represented by eagles the eagles also

represent the king and serenity and all

these things and eagles kill snakes

and you can see this you know it's on

the mexican flag

uh it's a great theme in ancient rome i

think this is a byzantine mosaic and

and

think about that the eagles are in the sky

sky

they are high above us

to stop this chaos monster who

who

you know which you know is obviously

symbolizes some uh you know cunning and

and maybe duplicity

and uh you know comes from the shadows

it's hard to see

is poisonous

so it's a really beautiful symbol that

so the striker in light

as i said

you know if you're doing it right

you know the ideal is for the striker to

come back

and you know be honored and reintegrated

in society and celebrated

and you know in some way become you know

they they always say it is better to be

a warrior in a garden than a gardener in

a war

but a lot of those guys need to come

back and become warriors in a garden and

that's how they

fix themselves

you know they focus on life and

and that leads us to the lord of the earth

earth

he perpetuates order

this guy gets skipped a lot because men

are very focused on you know

higher ideals

and i want to be a warrior and i have

high ideals and all that kind of stuff

but man

so much of the stuff we have to do in life

life

is just to keep it

going you know i i have to you know call

my accountant and do my books and and

cry you know

farmers have to go out and keep farming

uh they have to go do all this this this

grunt work to get it done you know you

aren't going gonna have shelter unless

you build a building

uh you know all these things everybody

has to go to work every day just so they

can feed their family that's what has to

happen that's most of life is actually

lord of the earth stuff

you know he contends with material chaos

which i mean the world is chaotic world

i mean you take as i said you go out on

the perimeter of nature

but you bend the branches

you know you you do things to make the the

the

environment suit you

so the life can flourish

and that's you know whether he's you know

know

and he's motivated by appetite

and an appetite and that took that

specifically from plato

but he's motivated by appetite meaning

that like we are animals we're human

animals we have human needs that need to

and you know there's a difference between

between perpetuation

perpetuation

which is just surviving

and prosperity

and prosperity is the is the sweet spot

that's where life happens

it doesn't matter if you just have

enough food to survive great

that's kind of you know we could eat gruel

gruel

but yeah i'd much rather have a nice dinner

dinner

and that's where the joy of life comes

in in the fruitfulness of enjoying things

things

is he is he you know working to make

sure that we have more than we need

but of course you know the lord

you know he's represented of course in

uh by by fray

you invite him and die in isis

uh in the uh celtic stuff you know

there's cannons

uh faced us in the greek

uh which is you know they make and

vulcan in the roman i believe it it's uh

you know the smith god who makes things

and you know represent all kinds of

but you know this this god of the

festival is gonna you know there are

problems with that if you just serve

appetite the darkness part of that is is vice

you get addicted to that that feedback

you know all that prosperity

can be a little bit addicting

and it can take you to a dark place and

and

you know it leads you to abandon your

reason and your tactical thinking and i

there's a story uh that i like to call

phrase error it's not presented as an

error but i feel like it's an error and

i think it's familiar to everyone here

not in the sense of the story but in

what happens

which he actually uh he has a magical

sword that fights for itself which is

pretty awesome he doesn't have to work

just like go fight sword and

and

but he falls in love with this giant he

sees her and he's like i gotta have her

and she's everything to me and whatever

so he ends up trading away his magical sword

sword

for this this pretty girl that he

doesn't even know

and uh i think a lot of us can relate to

the idea of a dude who gives away

everything that he is important and

makes a lot of sense for to chase some girl

girl

and so it's i think that's

the lord of darkness you know obviously

you know

he's you know not making a lot of sense

and the lord in light i think his

excellence is pursuing whatever he does

you know it's in the service of order in

the service of goodness

it's not just about vice and like oh

we're gonna get drunk and do whatever

but you know providing healthy and

delicious food and drink creating

beautiful and functional structures

you know creating strong healthy

righteous you know art and music

that contributes to and promotes order

and beauty and excellence

and a lot a huge

part of the work

of the lord of the earth is building

relationships and actually uh tanner's

whole presentation and the patriarchy

thing was really about lord of the earth stuff

stuff

like how do i he was called leading with

love and it was all about like how do i

build relationships that are healthy

all around me and and that's the big challenge

challenge

of the lord of the earth that's what

that's what he does i call that that's

the lord's work

uh is because that's so much what we

need we're social animals we need to to

build these strong relationships all

we have this system

the father the striker and the lord of

the earth

you know archetypes symbols gods

and

you know when i wrote this book

we were living in a very different world

and i was thinking hey we can use this

symbol to talk about how men can balance

parts of their lives

like i said the warriors a lot of times

need a little bit more lord of the earth

and they need to balance things out

uh the you know

the you know

everybody ever needs a little more lord

of this usually and uh but the lord of

the earth usually needs a little bit

more of the father

you know if you're partying too much you

need a little bit more order and uh you

know you need to bring things in and

make some rules

so i thought it'd be a good system to

talk about the important parts of men's

psyche that are all the same the things

that we all have in common because

that's that's what's been really

important to me

you know a lot of you are part of you

know a group or a part of a particular

religion and that's what you do and

that's good and that's how men are

supposed to work

uh my job is to look at to try and sit

in the high seat for a little bit and

see how everybody works

like what's always the same

and

we're living in a world right now where

they're trying to destroy the idea of excellence

excellence

the idea that there is something better

ideal forms are anathema to

and so

i want to look and see

man we have so many groups of men from

all around the world

what can we agree on

yeah we all have different religions

their doctrines and all those different

points and whatever but what would

everyone at this conference

agree on what do we have in common

you know what is a truth that is self-evident

self-evident

it seems almost as if it's you know holy

and comes free it's it's

comes from somewhere higher

because it seems obvious to us but it's

i think we can all agree

that it is better to be strong and athletic

athletic

than it is to be weak

seems like common sense

definitely in question

can we all agree that it is better to be

robust and healthy than it is to be sick

it doesn't matter what religion you're in

i think we can all agree that men and

women are different

it's better to be beautiful and it is to

be ugly

it's better to be intelligent than it is

it's better to be competent

than it is to be incompetent

it's better to be industrious than it is

to be lazy

it's better to be independent than it is

to be dependent

and it is better to be a free man

that's a pretty good order that's i

but you know they're tearing down statues

statues

tearing down ideals

saying this is the new beauty that we

made up yesterday this is the new

you know this is the new version of

health that happens to be obesity saying

saying

we should all be chemically altered in

the same way

gender doesn't matter men and women are

everything that means anything to us

our sense of order our sense of differentiation

differentiation

you know

i get emails from people all the time

asking me

you know how can i find my purpose in life

life

especially in the past two years if you

don't see a mythic struggle

you're not paying attention i don't even

order is under attack by forces of chaos

forces of the void

and they sound nice and they're like oh

we should just be nice and everything

we have a choice

to try and protect those

try and make order

out of chaos to try and

to create order

to champion order

and all these mythic struggles and

mythic heroes

they're just idealized versions of what

and they represent men who lived in

these are our fights

you know if you need a motivational

speech at this point

because everybody loves a motivational speech

i've been doing this for a long time

it's my job to research what

men look at what motivates them and what

they see

and i tell you that the speech

it's always the same

it's the same speech it's been written a

thousand times over and over again

every motivational speech is

fundamentally the same

you just change the details so it goes

and fight

to protect everyone and everything that

do not let this world

if not you

then who

and if not now

i see in your eyes the same fear that

and there may come a day

when the courage of men fails

but it is my sincerest hope

stay sober

i guess i could take questions i think i

have 10 minutes i wasn't sure how it was

yeah

hit it

great speech jack

thank you so

your four tactical virtues strength

honor courage mastery

what would you say is the best action

plan to cultivate all four of those

in your life

let's say today

today all right uh go surround yourself

with men who uh represent those values

to you and

and

put yourself in situations that

challenge each of those virtues

i mean that's that's that's the strategy

really so you know i say you know go do

some martial arts

that's the best way really

all right

good to go [Applause]

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