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They cared more about being part of the
Epstein class than they did about the
working-class girls who were being they
were begging this guy to invite them to
his parties, to his home, to his island.
And that's what's sick. Like, how did we
produce an elite like that? They need to
be torn down.
>> Whenever you brought forth the
Disclosure Act, what was the first
reaction of the DOJ? Wasn't it
pretending that there were no files to
begin with?
>> They fought us every step of the way.
They said, "Massie and I are cranks,
that we're conspiracy theorists, that we
have no idea what we're talking about."
>> There was no client list. There is no
credible information. If there were, I
would bring the case yesterday.
>> We got Lauren Boowbert, Marjorie Taylor
Green, Nancy Mace to stand with us. They
threatened them. They chased Marjorie
Taylor Green out of Congress. They
called Lauren Boowbert into the
situation room where the attorney
general Pam Bondi and others said, "Uh,
get off Kana and Massiey's discharge
petition." They intimidated folks. Then
when we got it passed, they went in a
fullcourt press to try to get every
Republican to vote against it. and
Massie and I had 70 Republicans willing
to vote against Donald Trump. He saw the
writing on the wall, so he said, "Okay,
I'll sign the bill." Then they tried to
get it amended in the Senate. No senator
was willing to stand up for these
pedophiles, so they couldn't get it
amended. But we fought. We got it
passed. So then what did they do? They
thought, "Okay, we'll just do a
meaningless dump on December 19th.
They'll uh keep quiet." But we didn't.
We said, "This is total BS." And so then
we pushed and now finally they've done a
real release of the files. I mean, they
still have 50% of the most nuclear
stuff, but now they've exposed it. Now,
everyone sees that they're a bunch of
rich and powerful people who are above
the law in America and that there are
two tiers of justice and that these are
some of the most connected people.
They're the ones who give money to
politicians. Why do you think people
didn't want to do what Massie and I did?
Because you're offending the donors in
this country. If you want to be in
politics, you probably don't want to
offend the billionaires. And that's why
this thing has been hidden for decades.
That's why Democrats and Republicans
didn't expose this. Let's just be
honest. It wasn't just a Trump thing.
There were administration after
administration that wanted to protect
these people and they're still
protecting some of them.
>> All right. It is officially been the
best week for QAnon on grandmas since
January 6, 2021.
>> YOU GUYS DID THIS TO US.
>> I'M of course referring to the recent
drop of 3 million Epstein files.
>> Today we are producing more than 3
million pages. And I'm saying the QAnon
thing kind of ingest because evidence in
the files does suggest that Gain Maxwell
worked directly with 4chan founder
Christopher P aka Moot to create the
board pole which set the framework and
molded the community that later became
QAnon. Makes me think that looking back
at those crazy times, it may have all
been a psychological operation to feed
people halftruth and half dumb
to make the whole thing seem totally
unbelievable and associate the Epstein
flight logs with lizards in the moon and
the flat earth. Earth is flat jack.
Flatter than a flapjack.
>> In many ways, yes, the Epstein files are
very serious and extreme. They feature
lengthy allegations and direct evidence
pointing to child abuse involving some
of the most powerful people on the
planet. Many of whom claim they had no
connection to Epstein whatsoever, and
even campaigned on the promise of
releasing some of the files. It's been
over 3 million documents, as I
mentioned, which is a lot to take in.
And I, like many of you guys, probably
have watched some amazing coverage about
certain documents, but have a hard time
wrapping my head around what is in all
of them. So, I figured now was the time
to bring somebody on who can give us all
a very extensive breakdown about what's
going on in the files and what may be
coming next as far as judicial
consequences for these six sadistic
child traffickers. So today we're going
to have Congressman Roana, an actual
congressman up in the building, somebody
from the House of Representatives
chilling in the House of Channel 5 to
help us make realformational content
happen. Roana represents the 17th
district here in California, which
encompasses parts of the South Bay and
Silicon Valley area. But before we dive
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before we get into the FDA files which
are very important I want to share two
positive stories. As we know the news
favors negativity because it makes more
money and because bad stuff happening
also is important too. But the internet
doesn't catch all the good things and
good developments that have been
happening in America and across the
world. So here we go. Our first positive
story of the day is that overdose deaths
are down by over 20% according to new
CDC data. It's been the longest
sustained drop in overdose rates in
multiple decades. And deaths went from
over 110,000 in 2023 to roughly 73,000
last year, which is more than 70 lives
saved every single day compared to back
at the peak of the fentanyl crisis. So,
wherever your politics land, it's a
massive deal that fentanyl related
overdose deaths have gone down. And I'm
very happy to hear this. Second positive
story, the US murder rate has hit its
lowest level since 1900. In 2025, last
year, murders plummeted more than 20%,
the single largest one-year drop on
record in modern American history. This
year, there's even less homicides than
last year. And by the end of the year,
the rate is likely to land at about 4
per 100,000 people, which is just
fantastic news. And cities that have a
reputation for violence historically,
like Detroit, Philadelphia, and
Baltimore, are actually leading the
charge and are on the track for their
lowest murder rate since the 1960s. And
San Francisco, also kind of a
controversial city, is on pace for its
lowest homicide rate since 1940. Also,
other crime across the country is down.
Carjackings are down 61% since 2023, and
shoplifting is down 10%. But nobody
really knows exactly why. I will leave
that to the scientists. All I know is we
have two great pieces of historic
American news that have came out this
week, and you all should know about
them. Now, before we get into the Roana
interview, I want to remind you guys of
something. The Epstein files are over 3
million documents, which is a lot of
coverage to sort through as a news
consumer. And depending on where you get
your news, you'd think completely
different things happened. For example,
Fox News led their story with photos of
Bill Clinton shirtless in a hot tub
talking to Michael Jackson. Whereas, if
you look at liberal media, CNN led with
how the files reveal close ties between
Epstein and Trump's inner circle. So, we
have the same document drop being
covered from two different angles. So,
when I'm trying to prep for an interview
today, like this one with the
congressman, I need to know exactly
what's being reported by both sides of
the media and of course, what is being
left out. So, Ground News lets me see
all of that in one place. So, on the
Epstein story alone, there are hundreds,
if not thousands of sources covering it.
So, Ground News shows you each outlet's
bias, factuality, and ownership, which
can tell you a lot about why certain
names might get highlighted and others
buried. What really stood out to me,
though, is the blind spot tool and the
blind spot feed. So Fox News went dark
on the Trump Epstein connection after
Trump told his base to just move on,
saying it's no big deal. So they
pivoted. But on the left, you know, Nam
Chosky advising Epstein on how to handle
his putrid press got way less play. So
ground news flags exactly that kind of
gap when major angles are only being
covered by one side of the spectrum. It
gives you awareness. You're not just
reacting to whatever headline happens to
show up in your algorithm. You get to
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the front of that. All right, let's get
into it. Thank you so much for making
the time. I really appreciate it.
>> Appreciate you. Thanks for flying up on
Super Bowl weekend.
>> Congratulations on helping to get the
files released.
>> Well, it was the survivors who came to
the capital twice, but Thomas Massie and
I didn't let up. We were called cranks.
We were called conspiracy theorists, but
we believe that people in those follows
who did heinous things need to be exposed.
exposed.
>> And how do you currently feel about the
amount of files that have been dropped?
Is it enough?
>> No. I mean, it's the largest release
ever. And it's showing how rotten our
elite were. Some of the biggest names in
finance, in real estate, in tech, in
politicians, having gone to Epstein's
Island, knowing that young girls were
being raped there, and they're sending
emails saying, "Oh, when can you
schedule me for the island?" I mean,
it's heinous, but about 3 million files
haven't been released. I'm taking a
redeye actually back tonight to DC and
Thomas Massie and I are going to go in
tomorrow afternoon to see some of these
unredacted files and see why they've
blocked out names of people who have
said, "Oh, I had a good time with a
naughty girl or I saw a 9-year-old
Brazilian and they have their names redacted."
redacted."
>> And why do you think some of those names
may have been redacted? Well,
>> it seems that they're protecting rich
and powerful people who committed
heinous crimes. I mean this is what
people hate about this country that
there is a group of people rich and
powerful people who are above the law. I
call it the Epstein class. I mean how is
it possible that all these people knew
Epstein? How is it possible they all
wanted to go to his island and they
wanted to do it after he was a convicted pedophile?
pedophile?
>> So before we get into the uh the
painstaking process of actually getting
these files released, I think a lot of
Americans have seen like little snippets
of the recent file dump here and there,
but are a bit confused as to how to wrap
their head around this mass dump of
information. Yeah.
>> What do you think are the most important
Epstein about going to the island? I've
said all those people should be hauled
in front of Congress. They're some of
the biggest names in technology. They're
some of the biggest names in real
estate. They're some of the biggest
names in finance. Partly they're
benefiting because there's so many of
them. There's so many people like Bill
Gates. They just think that, oh well,
let me just hide. let me go underground
so people don't uh see that I'm actually
in these files. But slowly they're all
coming out. And each of these people who
are in these files needs to be asked
some basic questions. Why did you want
to go to Epstein's Island? Don't give me
BS. Don't tell me, oh, you you're there
to raise money. I've raised a lot of
money in my life. I don't go to islands
where young girls are being raped to do
that. You can do that at in New York
City at a restaurant.
>> Why did you go there? What did you see
happening? What did you participate in?
What did you do? And they need to be
answering these questions under oath.
Who are some of the names that you think
are most prominent that were in the most
recent though?
>> Well, look, I I I mentioned Gates as a
name that was in the files. Just because
they're in the files and they say that
they went to Epstein, uh, doesn't mean
that they're necessarily guilty, but
they do need to answer questions. Why
were they going to this island? What did
they know? Who did they know? And there
are tons of names. You know, I don't
want to be out there saying the names
because people may say, "Okay, he's just
assume assuming their guilt." But they
they can just do a Google search and all
the names will come up.
>> But was there anybody in there that
caught you by surprise?
>> Gates caught me by surprise in terms of
the the the the explicit things. The
fact that there's so many people from
biggest names in tech caught me by
surprise. Many of them are attacking me
or upset at me. They're attacking
Massie. The fact that there's so many
people in New York, real estate moguls
and finance folks, that caught me by
surprise. I mean, what caught me by
surprise is how many of our elite are in
those files. It caught me by surprise
that he's talking to someone who's close
to the British prime minister and
getting tips about Britain going to buy
euros and he's trading on that
information. It caught me by surprise
how close he is to world leaders that
he's commenting on the Indian prime
minister meeting the Israeli prime
minister that people are talking to him
about how to get access for foreign
leaders in the United States. It caught
me by surprise that he's got pictures of
him with the CIA or meeting Will Burns
who's the head of our CIA.
>> And you said that you're being attacked
for getting these files released.
>> Yeah. Well, look at look at the number
of people, the billionaires who've been
attacking Massie and me online on X in
cases of saying they're going to spend
against us or try to oust us. Now,
they'll find other reasons to say it.
They'll say, "I disagree with Ro's
position on calling out the genocide in
Gaza or I disagree that he wants to tax
billionaires more." They won't say
they're doing it because we're exposing
the Epste files. I mean, no one is going
to say, "Yeah, we don't like Nassie and
Kana because they're going after the
Epste files." But look at the people
criticizing me and do a correlation
between those people and people whose
names are in the Epstein files. Go look
at the people who are spending against
Massie and do a correlation if their
name is in the Epstein files and it's
not rocket science why we have these
enemies. As far as Epstein Island goes,
do you see it as more of like a
destination for powerful pedophiles or
do you think it's more like the center
of a blackmail operation and a a power
broker base for somebody that was
attempting to compromise various
political business figures?
>> We don't know is the honest Julia Brown
who has done the most reporting on this
says that there are unanswered questions
about Epstein's affiliation to
intelligence and we need to understand
that. Frankly, we won't see that even in
the unredacted files because a lot of
that information is classified. What
I've said is the president of the United
States should put a trusted leader like
a commission that can look at the
classified information and do a report
on what exactly Epstein's status was. We
need someone who can actually go and
look at the classified information and
have a clean report who's trusted by the
American people. But what we do know is
that Epstein was raping young girls on
this island. What we do know is that
there were parties taking place at this
island at the New Mexico ranch in New
York where young girls underage were
being paraded around naked. And we do
know that powerful men went to these
parties while underage girls were being
raped. We do know that there were
powerful and rich people who raped some
of these girls. One of these people uh
whose name I won't mention but is in the
files actually fled uh the United States
and is now had had raped this person in
uh in France and now is no longer even
in uh France or the United States. So a
lot of the people who committed these
acts have left the jurisdiction uh
because they were never prosecuted.
Yeah, I think a lot of people are seeing
all this stuff and seeing these big
names and wondering is there any route
toward prosecuting these powerful
people? Like is there any is is that is
there court proceedings in motion? Like
is there anything happening to hold
these people accountable?
>> There needs to be a prosecution. There
needs to be investigation. I mean there
have been two people who have been
prosecuted, Maxwell and Epstein. And
there are over,200 survivors. Just look
at it from common sense. You think two
people raped all these survivors and
then the survivors have told Massie and
me the type of people who raped them
when they were 15, 16, 17. You'd have to
believe that they're all lying. What has
happened though is some people have left
the United States who raped these young
girls. Some of them are uh have never
been investigated. And so the first
thing is we need investigation. What
bothers me is that the DOJ is not even
willing to investigate. They haven't
asked questions under oath of people who
said they're going to the island. Why
not investigate them? And then they
should of course prosecute the people
who were involved in raping these
underage girls, even if it was 15 years
ago. The statute of limitations hasn't
run. And I think they think, let's just
move on. Let's just move on. But we will
not restore trust in this country if
people believe that a few rich and
powerful people are above the law. So
much so that you can rape underage
girls, laugh about it, joke about it,
and never face prosecution. And it's
angers Americans that we have this two
tiers of justice in this country.
>> What was the extent of Trump's
involvement in the recent file release?
>> Well, look, he Massie and I have always
said this is not about Donald Trump.
It's not about Bill Clinton. The reason
we did that is because we wanted to be
bipartisan. We wanted it to be
transparent. We said it's about making
sure that we get justice for survivors.
That said, there were documents released
that had tips about Trump and then
suddenly that document was taken
offline. So, one of the questions I have
tomorrow is why was that document taken
offline? One of the questions I want to
ask Maxwell tomorrow, she's being
deposed, is what did Donald Trump do on
the island? Did he have any encounter
with underage girls? The problem is
Gileian Maxwell said she's going to take
the fifth. Now you tell me how is it her
telling what other people did
implicating her and yet she's taking a
blanket fifth amendment and not
answering any of these questions. So my
view is release all the files, do an
investigation, go where the facts are.
But I have never made this political and
neither has Massie. But I think the
reason that as as that political
association is I'm somebody who was
covering a lot of like QAnon stuff back
in the day and I want to get into how I
feel like well there's evidence actually
that Maxwell had like her tentacles in
the kind of 4chan universe and was sort
of trying to move the goalpost and
associate child trafficking with like
Pizzagate and flat earth to kind of make
everything look dumb and illegitimate.
Interesting. But backing up a little
bit, I think the reason so many people
are curious about Musk and Trump's
involvement is that they were
campaigning on like releasing the files,
draining the swamp, and exposing this
global cabal of satanic pedophiles. So,
I think now we're in this full circle
moment where it appears that they are
involved in the recent file release or
their names are replicated in that.
>> Well, their names are there. And when
Massie and I started with the Epstein
transparency act, we thought Trump would
support it. Like he campaigned on this.
JD Vance campaigned on it. They went on
podcast after podcast saying, "We got to
release these files. They're rich and
powerful people. They raped underage
girls. They have no justice." This was a
core part of Make America Great Again of
Drain the Swamp. It was one of the top
few things they campaigned on. So, we
thought we'd get his support. Now, he
did sign the law that I wrote, but that
was after a lot of pressure. And now,
they are more concerned about protecting
rich and powerful people, and he hasn't
explained what exactly his relationship
was. He should come before Congress just
like Clinton is and take the questions
and Maxwell should be transparent and
they should release the rest of these files.
files.
>> So, was Trump on the island?
>> I don't know. Like, I'm not going to I'm
so careful because I don't want anyone
ever say Connor or Massie are out there
for conspiracy theories or political
things. I only speak about what I know.
And the reality is there's no document
right now that establishes your point
one way or the other. So, that's a
question he should be asked. But that if
you release all the files, we would have
much much more knowledge.
>> What particular document in the in the
recent file dump do you feel like is the
most symbolic or emblematic of just like
the level of depravity that was going on
on the island?
>> Wow, there's so many. But what I would
say is the fact that there are these
documents where young where people are
talking to Epstein about being with a
naughty girl, being with a 9-year-old
Brazilian, being with an 11year-old, and
their names are redacted. their names
are blacked out and you see these emails
of people talking basically about raping
or abusing underage girls. That's the
depravity. It's not just what happened,
but it's why are these people being
protected? How are they so powerful? How
are they so powerful that someone in the
Justice Department is protecting them?
And I am convinced with every fiber of
my being that there were more rich and
powerful men who raped these underage
girls than just Maxwell and Epstein. And
their names are being blot blotted out.
That's the real tragedy. And then the
second thing is just how many powerful
people were involved in this. Like it's
sick. You make a billion dollars. You
make all this money. You know, it's not
like these rich powerful people have
have trouble getting a woman in their
lives and then they've got to do this.
Like come on.
>> So you feel like the the billionaire
sadistic depravity thing kind of goes
handinhand with being a pedophile?
>> I think that the billionaires look
horrible in this. I mean, the amount of
billionaires that are there with Epstein
and going to his island and begging him
to go to the island and then you know
what was so uh callous? There was
someone who was uh Prince Andrew's
former girlfriend. I forget her name.
Lady something. You know, I don't know
how she became a lady. And she says,
"Oh, you're a loser if you weren't in
the Epstein files." Did you see this?
>> No, I didn't.
>> She She says, "You're a loser because
you weren't part of the rich and
powerful club."
>> He knew everybody that was very
powerful. So, like if you were on the
scene and you were powerful, like to be
honest, like if you're not in those
files, it would be an insult because it
just means that you were a bit of a loser,
loser,
>> right? So, the people who aren't in the
files are losers. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> So, you if you're not mentioned the
Epstein files, you don't matter. They
cared more about being part of the
Epstein class than they did about the
working-class girls who were being
raped. They were begging this guy to
invite them to his parties, to his home,
to his island. And that's what's sick.
Like, how did we produce an elite like
that? They need to be torn down. They
need to be held accountable. They need
to be prosecuted where they committed
crimes. It's not a political issue. I
don't care if you're Republican. I don't
think if you think I'm a progressive
Democrat, don't agree with anything I
stand for. You should agree that there
should be justice in this country.
>> Yeah. It's a real full circle moment, I
feel like, cuz for such a long time, it
felt like you only ever heard the word
Epstein and all the file stuff like in
the conservative orbit. At least for me,
cuz I've been covering this kind of
thing for so long, like I mentioned.
That's right. And now we're in the full
circle moment where it's like the
conservatives and the Republican party
seem to be the one generally running
cover for Trump and the other people on
the Epstein client list and in the
files. But like you said, I don't think
it's that political, but at this point
it's it just seems crazy because it's
like, you know, whenever you brought
forth the Disclosure Act, what was the
first reaction of the DOJ? Wasn't it
pretending that there were no files to
begin with?
>> They fought us every step of the way.
They said Massie and I are cranks that
we're conspiracy theorists that we have
no idea what we're talking about.
Finally, Lauren Boowbert, Marjorie
Taylor Green, Nancy Mace to stand with
us. They threatened them. They chased
Marjorie Taylor Green out of Congress.
They called Lauren Boowbert into the
situation room where the attorney
general Pam Bondi and others said, "Uh,
get off Kana and Massiey's discharge
petition. They intimidated folks." Then
when we got it passed, they went in a
fullcourt press to try to get every
Republican to vote against it. And
Massie and I had 70 Republicans willing
to vote against Donald Trump. He saw the
writing on the wall. So he said, "Okay,
I'll sign the bill." Then they tried to
get it amended in the Senate. No senator
was willing to stand up for these
pedophiles. So they couldn't get it
amended. But we fought, we got it
passed. So then what did they do? They
thought, "Okay, we'll just do a
meaningless dump on December 19th.
They'll uh keep quiet." But we didn't.
We said, "This is total BS." And so then
we pushed. And now finally they've done
a real release of the files. I mean,
they still have 50% of the most nuclear
stuff, but now they've exposed it. Now
everyone sees that there are a bunch of
rich and powerful people who are above
the law in America and that they're two
tiers of justice and that these are some
of the most connected people. They're
the ones who give money to politicians.
Why do you think people didn't want to
do what Massie and I did? Because you're
offending the donors in this country.
You're offending the people who can
write super PAC checks. You've got
billionaires saying they're going to
primary me. You've got billionaires
spending money against Thomas Massie. If
you want to be in politics, you probably
don't want to offend the billionaires.
And that's why this thing has been
hidden for decades. That's why Democrats
and Republicans didn't expose this.
Let's just be honest. It wasn't just a
Trump thing. There were administration
after administration that wanted to
protect these people and they're still
protecting some of them.
>> So you you built like a pretty much
aolitical nonpartisan anti-pedophile coalition.
coalition.
>> Anti-pedophile and anti- rich and
powerful people skirting the law. Yeah.
Like just because you have a billion
dollars, just because you get to have
dinner with a president doesn't mean you
get to rape underage girls. Like, isn't
that kind of how we believe democracy in
America is supposed to work? I know in
the past with kings and aristocrats,
they got to do whatever they wanted.
They had herums, but that's not America.
Like, in this case, just cuz you have a
billion dollars doesn't make you better
than you or me. Is there a way to
prosecute people like Cash Patel who
tried to, you know, basically say early
on that there were no files to begin
with and that Epstein wasn't involved in
trafficking kids to anybody besides
himself? Like, isn't that kind of like a
I don't know if the word is perjury or
something like that? Well, look, Cash
used to come before Congress and and and
explain himself. But here's what he
said. He said that uh they couldn't
release any more files, but then he
should have supported Massie and my bill
because Massie and my bill basically
gave them the authority to go to the
judges and say, "Look, we want to have
the grand jury released." And instead,
he just said, "Well, there's nothing we
can do." Uh, and so I think he owes the
Congress an explanation. And he owes him
an explanation why he said what he did,
why the law that we passed changed it,
because there really were restrictions
on FBI and justice for releasing files
before the law. It's our law that made
it possible. But he certainly owes the
American people an explanation. He
should come before Congress and and then
he should answer and held accountable.
Ban Bondi is coming this week. I mean,
she should be impeached if she if we
don't get the rest of the files. But
it's not been a witch hunt, right? I
could have Massie and I could have tried
to impeach her three weeks ago. Our
concern isn't to go after Pam Bondi or
just Cash Patel. our interest is to go
after the people who raped these girls
and to get that exposed. Like that's my
my motive, not to score points in the
Trump administration.
>> Yeah. I know your main thing is justice
for survivors of this like horrific uh
situation, but there's been a lot of
speculation just like I said earlier
about what Jeffrey Epstein's specific
role was. Cuz you talk about control in
this elite class of billionaires. And I
think most people that I talked to think
it was some kind of like blackmail
honeypot style operation where people
maybe didn't know they were getting
involved with underage people. They went
there, they caught on camera doing
something horrible. Now they're
effectively owned by whatever
intelligence apparatus is backing
Epstein. Do you give credence to that theory?
theory?
>> I don't think we can rule out that he
had connections with intelligence
agencies. The reason I say that very
carefully is that Julia Brown, who has
done more reporting on this than ever,
has said she can't rule it out. And this
release shows that he met with William
Burns. What is he doing meeting with
someone who heads the CIA? It shows that
he has a picture at the CIA headquarters
>> and Langley.
>> Yeah. No, I mean outside the building or
inside the building.
>> I think it's inside. I mean, but the
picture is out there publicly like why?
And there are legitimate questions about
his role in connection to intelligence agencies.
agencies.
>> Epstein also had close ties to our own
intelligence agencies and Israel's
intelligence agencies. That's why
there's so much um effort in trying to
stop this and and I do believe they'll
try to stop it somewhere else. The
reality is though, I can't tell you or
Massie can't tell you that because the
people say, "Well, why didn't you pass a
law saying declassify the information or
give us the classified information?"
Because the law would never pass. It'd
be unconstitutional. The only person who
can declassify is the president of the
United States. Congress can't declassify
information. So, the president of the
United States has to create a commission
to look into the classified information
with someone we actually trust, not a
political hack, to do a report for the
American people about who was Jeffrey
Epstein and what were his connections.
And I don't know if Trump's going to do
it, the next president should do it. And
this should be a central pledge of a
president to to understand because if
Epstein could do it, we're still
vulnerable to someone else who may be
able to do it.
>> It's definitely still happening. If he
did it before, he's probably just the
fall guy for a deeper situation. Well, I
like I said, these are questions that
need to be asked and the the the next
president should be committed to having
a commission to to find this out. I I
would appreciate if the president did
it, but he can't put like Pam Bondi in
charge or one of his political folks in
charge. Pick someone in this country,
military background, intelligence
background, who has the respect of the
American people to go look through the
intelligence. Uh it can't be Congress,
and to do a report on who this who it
is. So you sound optimistic about a
future wherein all these people are
prosecuted, all the people who were in
the files, all the people that helped
cover it up, and then we're going to
have a president who's going to
officially declassify whatever other
files relate to who Epstein was working
for. You think we could actually have a
utopian future like that where the true
swamp was drained?
>> I I'm not uh polyianish. It's going to
be really hard.
>> Yeah. But I think this is the central
issue in this country because you can't
have trust in government if rich and
powerful people seem above the law. And
if there's not one prosecution out of
this, people are going to say, "What
what what's going on?" >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Because it's not like these people just
embezzled funds. They raped girls. They
showed up at parties where girls 15, 14
were paraded naked. Like, if you can get
away with that, what can't you get away
with? And if we are unable to expose and
prosecute that, we're basically letting
down the American people's faith in
democracy. And that's why I think it is
central. That's why Trump won in part
cuz he said he was going to go after the
two tiers of justice. He was going to
drain the swamp. And that's what the
American people want. That's why they
identify with Bernie Sanders. Bernie
Sanders has the same sort of message on
not two tiers of justice. The difference
is Sanders actually believes it. Trump,
you know, just got in there and like now
he's protecting the very people he said
he was going to drain.
>> Is there anything in the files about
like a cult worship and like Satanism
and stuff like that?
>> I haven't seen it. I mean, there's some
people I've seen on on online. I mean, I
haven't read all all three million of
the files, but there's some pretty
disgusting stuff in the files in terms
of uh just racism, ugly comments about
people based on their race, their
religion. So, you know, I I mean, people
can see that it's a lens into our elite.
It's a lens into how these people talk
behind the scenes.
>> They're racist on the emails.
>> Well, there are some emails that are
clearly racist. I'm not saying everyone
is racist, but
>> I know that, but I'm saying what
particular racial groups do they seem to
have the most uh negativity towards.
>> Well, look, there there are some uh
comments about people this goyer goyism term.
term.
>> I think the word goyam is how uh Jews
refer to non-Jews.
>> Well, there were some very derogatory
comments I saw about that. that and uh
and and like that there there are other
comments uh in there that uh not
everyone I but that that people have
made and then and it's it's an ugly
look. I mean look when you Nixon's tapes
were released there were a lot of ugly
things in there. This is an
accountability moment for how some of
our elite talk and how they talk about
women like you know just you know
objectifying w young girls.
>> Well that doesn't surprise me given
Epstein's track record. I was definitely
a little more shocked to see the uh like
Goam stuff. You know, I'm not like
necessarily super into conspiracy
theories, but it definitely uh gives a a
clue as to, you know, who Epste may have
been working for.
>> Well, look, I I have no idea in terms of
uh uh whether Epstein was connected to
intelligence agencies either here or
overseas. Obviously, it is surprising to
me and shocking to me that he had the
access he did to foreign leaders. Why is
he meeting as many times with Pete
Mendelson of Gordon Brown? Why is he
meeting with Barack? >> Obama.
>> Obama.
>> Did he meet Obama?
>> Okay. You said Barack. You're not
referring to Obama. Barack, the Israeli
prime minister.
>> Making sure Obama's not I don't want to
get don't want to start.
No, I get it. Barack uh and to the point
where Prime Minister Netanyahu had to
make a statement about the whole thing.
You know, why is he meeting uh and
facilitating things for the Indian prime
minister? Why is he meeting with people
in Russia and trying to arrange meetings
with Putin? Like who is this guy? Like,
>> you know, I mean, like, I I I don't have
that kind of access. I've been in
Congress 10 years in on the Armed
Services Committee.
>> Yeah. What was what was Netanyahu's statement?
statement?
>> Nanyahu said, well, Barack was
undermining Israel and uh everything he
was doing was not for Israel, but
undermining Israel. But the point is the
fact that the sitting prime minister in
Israel was having to comment about what
Barack was doing just shows how
extensive it And you know what upsets
people in America is we've got people in
the cabinet who are sitting there
exposed in the files. Like this is
basically going to take down the British
government because of Mendelson, one
person. And here we've got all these
people and we're just like ah life goes
on. Let's Trump saying let's move on.
Let's watch the Super Bowl. How about
like we take care of people who were
affiliated with a known pedophile who
were going and to his home and his
events and his parties knowing that he
raped young girls. Like how about we
have some reckoning accountability in
this country?
>> Yeah. You mentioned the Super Bowl. I'm
of the belief that a lot of the recently
deployed culture war distractions in the
media have been to distract from various
Epstein related information dumps. You
know what I mean? Like the right now if
you look uh on the news today it's all
about Bad Bunny and his halftime show
and Trump saying why do we have a
Spanishspeaking singer? He needs to get
he needs to get deported back to Puerto
Rico which is a US territory. All that
stuff. And there's
>> just bitter that De Bunny endorsed Kla
Harris last election. Yeah.
>> What are some How have you seen that
sort of distraction theater play out
over the past uh few months?
>> Well, look, some of it has not been
distraction. It's actually been really
devastating. You know, just killing
people in the Caribbean on boats, having
ICE go as rogue as they did and killing
Alex Prey and killing Renee Good. But
some of it uh is a uh to distract from
what the biggest news story is of of of
of our times, which is that the most
rich and powerful people in this country
were caught up with a pedophile and were
asking to go to his home, his ranch or
his island knowing that young girls
would be there. Like th this is
mind-blowing. And Massie said it's
bigger than Watergate. It's bigger than
Iran Contra. And it is a bigger
indictment of the American elite. I
don't think we've ever had this kind of
a scandal that so many people from every
facet of society, from Hollywood, from
tech, from finance, from real estate,
from politicians were caught up with one
guy in raping young girls.
>> How do you feel about the mainstream
media's coverage of all this?
>> I don't think it has gone uh deep enough
in holding people accountable. You know,
it it's it's like they put they're so
focused on what files have been
released, what files haven't been
released. What about all the people who
are in the files? What about actually
just going through the top hundred
prominent people and like having an
analysis of what questions they should
be asked and asking them those questions
like what did you know where where did
you go you know all these people
suddenly are changing their statements
oh yeah I met him once no now I met him
three times because these files are out
well like what's the truth and why why
were you meeting him when he was a
pedophile so I don't think there's been
enough coverage of the actual people who
have committed these crimes I don't
think there's been enough attention on
the class issue. This is a class issue
in America. They're rich and powerful
people who believe the law doesn't apply
to them, who think they're above the
law. And everyone else, you know, you
get parking tickets, your car gets
booted if you don't pay them, right? You
you you go through a red light, you get
that camera ticket back home. You pay
those things. And here you got a group
of people who think the law rules don't
apply to them. Why? Cuz they're giving
money to politicians. You think they
like Epstein's company? I mean, come on.
What What is it? I mean, yeah, some of
them it's because of the gratification
of his island. Some of them it's because
he's giving a lot of money or
influential people are giving money to
politics and there's a donor class. It's
an Epstein class that doesn't think the
rules apply that gets to rig the system.
>> So, the donor class would be like the
people who are in charge of super PACs,
people who fund political campaigns,
invest or provide investment money to
big tech companies. That's what you're
talking about.
>> I'm talking about in the donor class
particularly the people who give money
to politicians. You can give millions of
dollars in a super PAC. One person sees
this interview. I don't like Roana.
Okay, I'm going to start a super PAC.
Put millions of dollars in. Take him
out. That's what they're threatening to
do. They're doing it to Massie. They're
three billionaires who are funding him
right now, funding his opponent. And so
you've got all these people with all
this money. And most politicians say,
"Well, I I can't take that on." And so
they think the rules don't apply to
them. There were survivors I talked to
were told, "Don't call the New York
police. Don't call the FBI because those
agents won't do anything against the the
rich and powerful. Maria made a
complaint to the FBI
>> in 1996 and nothing happened and they
called her a liar and just because of
the files we released it came out that
she was telling the truth that the FBI
sat on this for decades.
>> Are there any super PACs that have
targeted you specifically recently?
There have been people who have said
that they're studying up a super PAC and
they we'll see we'll see if they you
know I'm I'm popular in my district and
people like me but there are certainly
people on X and others who are
organizing there's a petition a
crowdfund petition going on to get other
billionaires to support this and uh New
York Times had a headline saying they're
targeting me to try to oust me this
June. So yeah, I mean you take risk when
you stand up for these types of things,
but to me, you know, my grandfather
spent four years in jail as part of
Gandhi's independence movement. You
know, he he took on the British Empire.
I'm just taking on a group of uh
pedophiles. I mean, there's it's not the
same stakes, but I think that you're in
Congress for justice and you got to
fight for your principles.
>> Do you ever worry about your safety?
Yeah, look, I've I've uh been blessed
for so far. I have been fine and uh you
know, there are a lot of people in our
military and all who take much bigger
risks every day. I think as a member of
Congress, you know, you're not on the
front lines. I think about the safety of
the I'm on the Armed Services Committee
about the troops who are stationed
overseas. They're the ones who are
taking the most risks.
>> What's your least favorite war?
>> Well, the Iraq war was one I ran
against. You know, when I was 27 years
old, I was the first person to run for
Congress against a Democrat uh taking on
the Iraq war. And I have led on getting
us out of overseas wars. You know, we
should never have been giving Saudi the
arms refueling to to go into Yemen. We
should never have toppled Gaddafi in
Libya, which led to a huge mess. We
should have gone after al-Qaeda, but we
shouldn't have been in Afghanistan for
20 years. I am against regime change
wars. I rather we be spending our money
on people here, creating jobs here,
healthcare here. I'm against this
Pentagon budget that's going to be over
56%. And it's not going to our troops,
it's going to defense contractors. And
this is why people are angry. They see
this rich and powerful people that
basically are getting us into overseas
wars that don't follow the law, think
they're above the law, that have rigged
the economy. You know, income inequality
in this country is at its highest it's
been in 60 years.
>> Didn't know that. you know workers share
the GDP is the lowest it's been in 75 years
years
>> and is that have to do with like the
collapse of the small business sector
and like you know the minimum wage not
rising while the cost of living like it
doesn't continue to
>> grow has to do with jobs being offshored
industries being offshored minimum wage
not rising it's still at $725
unions being decimated the uh very rich
not paying their share of the tax the
fact that we don't the health care costs
have gone up. Child care costs have gone
up. And so you've got massive economic
inequality. People don't have good
paying jobs. They can't they're drowning
with health care costs, going bankrupt
if someone gets a healthcare issue. And
they see a system where the rich are
basically buying off politicians where
there's no justice. And they're angry.
That's why that's why I thought Trump
won twice cuz he said, "Yeah, I'm going
to fix it.
>> We're going to fix everything about our country."
country."
>> And our party was like, "Well, we're
things are things are going pretty
okay." And people are like, "No, they're
not going okay. The system is rigged.
It's screwed up." And I think now both
sides, a new generation has to say,
"Yeah, the system is fundamentally
corrupt and messed up, and we've got to
have a different way that actually helps
working-class folks."
>> Maybe is a bit off topic here, but on a
local level, there have been some
positive developments in the Bay Area
recently. We've covered San Francisco
pretty extensively, and the overdose
rate is way down. How you how do you
feel about the leadership of uh Daniel
Lry and like the new changes in the city?
city?
>> I like him. I think he's been pragmatic.
I think he understands that you can't
just have an open drug culture in a
city. That that's not the way that you
have public safety. He uh has
compassion, but he also understands that
you can't just go in and smash a
Walgreens and take stuff and not have
consequences. That if you commit crimes,
doesn't mean we lock you up forever, but
you have to face consequences. So, I I
I've he's he's got work to do still, but
I think he has actually done a good job.
Have you talked to him?
>> No, I haven't yet. But you know, it's
like we covered SF when it was kind of
at its worst like in that era like in
the in the couple years after the
pandemic when it was really struggling
to rebound. We filmed most of that stuff
like in the Tenderloin and elsewhere.
>> I saw some of that.
>> Yeah. And I've heard that like things
have really changed for the better in
San Francisco. If you look at the
homicide, property crime, and overdose
rates, they've just really all dipped down
down
>> since the 1990s. There hasn't been a
successful mayor, I would argue, of San
Francisco other than Dan Luri. He's the
first person who's taken on issues of
homelessness, issues of crime, issues of
vacancy. Uh he's actually turning it
around. I
>> I just love mayors as well. Like the
mayor of Baltimore is also really great.
And we talk about, you know, national
change. Do you think that like really
good local level management of like city
funds and stuff could create a national
change? It's sort of like a mosaic of
well-run cities could come together.
>> I do. I think we need good mayors like a
a Dan Lori. Look, Matt Mayan, I don't
agree with everything, but he's doing a
good job in San Jose. He's also been
someone who's tackled crime, tackled
homelessness. I think having strong
leaders. I think going after some of the
the waste and the fraud and the abuse
that takes place uh in city governments
and state governments is important so
that we have transparency so that people
know where their money is going. And at
the federal level, you know, the two
biggest places, the black hole in my
view is the defense budget. they haven't
passed an audit for seven seven times.
They failed an audit. Or Medicare
advantage. You know how that works? They
they tell people you're sicker than you
actually are. And then they build the
government for the person being sicker
than they actually are. I mean, it's
just being total ripped off. So, I think
we have to go after waste, fraud, and
abuse in city, state, and federal governments.
governments.
>> So, back to the Epstein files a little
bit. This is something I found really
interesting. So, I don't know how much
you looked into this, but Gain Maxwell
had a relationship with the founder of
4chan, Christopher P. His name online
was Moot. And it basically showed that
she was instrumental in moderating a
board called Pole P. And that was one of
the really early incubation locations
for what became QAnon. And the Q drops.
>> I didn't know that.
>> And the Q drops really almost resemble
the reality of the recent Epstein file
dump, but they just include 10% of the
craziest stuff you've ever heard in your
life, and it delegitimizes everything
else. Now, that's so interesting. So
what what they sort of did is
effectively associate uh like Anunnaki
lizard theory about like like snakes in
the moon controlling our minds and flat
earth with like elite child sex
trafficking and kind of put everything
in the looney bin and created these
useless rabbit holes for people to dive down.
down.
>> And uh I just find it super interesting
that the recent files proved a tangible
connection between QAnon and Jeffrey Epstein.
Epstein.
>> I had no idea about that that more
people need to know that. The reality is
some of the people who suspected that
there were pedophiles that were being
protected by the federal government uh
turned out to be right. Like there are a
lot of rich and powerful people who were
involved with a pedophile who were going
to an island where pedophilia was taking
place and face no consequences and
actually were involved in making
government decisions as Epstein's file
shows. He's talking to all these pe
politicians. So the instinct of the
American people to suspect that
something was wrong was correct. Now it
was in KQanon's case, it was presented
with all of these conspiracy theories
that are patently false, like they're,
you know, they just went after things
that make no sense or the pizza gate or,
you know, naming particular uh people.
But I didn't realize that that could
have been an intentional uh effort
you're saying to discredit the parts uh
uh that are true of rich and powerful
people engaging uh with a pedophile.
>> Yeah. It's almost like when people are
guilty of something, they will like
almost sort of self-confess a little bit
and blame somebody else really
intensely. Like most of the QAnon drops
pointed everything to like Hillary
Clinton, right? Like as far away from
Trump and all these people as possible.
And now it seems like the conservative
establishment or at least like the MAGA
establishment was a lot closer to Epste
than we previously thought.
>> Absolutely. And Hillary Clinton had
literally from everything I've seen
nothing to to do with she's going to
testify. People are going to ask her.
Uh, no. Clinton is in the files. Bill
Clinton's in the files and he owes
explanation to the American people. But
yeah, I mean that that's why it was
always seen as like targeted on on her
and not on the actual people who were on
the island or doing these terrible things.
things.
>> What are some of the inroads that you've
seen between MAGA and Epste?
>> Inroads meaning relationships.
Look, I mean, there are obviously people
in the Trump administration like Lutnik
and others are all over these files.
There are people like the secretary of
uh I think it's the secretary of navy
that uh it was now it comes out that he
was on Epstein's plane. Obviously there
are tons of mentions of Trump in the
files. The uh there are people who are
huge funders of his who are all over the
files. People from Silicon Valley some
of these tech bros who funded him all
over the file. So the the the question
is what were they doing? What did they
know? And how do you expose it? And the
reality there are a lot of Democrats too
in there, right? I mean, and and that's
why it took both Massie and me. It took
people saying, "We're not going to care
if this takes down our own party." There
are a lot of people who are upset at me
because it's hurt some of the biggest
donors of the Democratic party or are in
are mentioned in the files, right? So, I
I think it's it's not left or right
anymore. It's sort of why do we have a
corrupt elite and how do we restart our
country around basic principles, which
is no one is above the law. You can't
just be a billionaire and buy access to
a politician. You got to have a
democracy that actually works and
represents people.
>> Yeah. I think this might be a watershed
moment that finally breaks the two-party
system. I mean, at least I hope so cuz
I'm of the belief that the elite class
in the country has a vested interest in
making sure nothing changes and I can be
like establishment Democrats and
conservatives. And I feel like this is
all symbolized by Epstein and the files
and all this stuff cuz it's almost like
this gridlock. they've engineered this
like ultimate compliance um situation
where it seems like you have anybody
rich enough in the country is somehow
wrapped up in this whole thing. It's
almost hard to even think of who could
be an outsider at this point. Obviously,
they exist, but it's like Bill Gates,
Stephen Hawking, like you you go down
the list, you're like, damn, who's not
in this who has more than a billion
dollar? You know, I was talking to
someone who's the son of a billionaire
and he was like I was just holding my
breath and I was so relieved that my
father's not in the piles and he's like
I didn't think my father would do
anything dumb at the parties but I was
like just was he part of this cuz like
everyone is part of this right and it's
staggering to me. That should be the
headline. The headline is all like do
they release the files? Do they not
release the files? The headline should
be how are like every powerful person
almost in America part of like Epstein's
network? like what what's going on?
>> How are they all part of this?
>> How long did the DOJ have access to
these files for?
>> Well, they've had them for decades.
>> So, multiple administrations.
>> Multiple administrations. And it's it's
it's and this is where I've been honest.
I've said that this is not just a Donald
Trump thing. This is multiple
administrations that have sat on this
that have ignored these survivors. I've
gotten to know these survivors
personally. Now, I first spoke out about
this in 2019, but I didn't get
passionate about this until this year
where I met with all these survivors,
and I was like, "Wow, this country has
really shafted them." And they have been
saying this since 2007. Their lawyers
like Bradley Edwards have been talking
about this for decades. And now I
understand the reluctance to release
these files because you're basically
exposing the American elite. you're
exposing the people who fund this this
the system, the political system. And so
obviously you're going to be careful and
then they hide behind it. Well, they're
not guilty. Well, they haven't been
charged. Okay. Yeah, they haven't been
charged. No one is saying just you hold
these people to jail, but maybe you
should investigate them. Maybe you
should let the American people know what
they've been up to.
>> Well, the hard part is who would
investigate them? It would be the
Department of Justice, right? like in
order to bring federal litigation
forward, but but they'd have to sort of
investigate themselves because they're
the ones who've been ignoring all this
information for so long.
>> Well, look, they have they're two
different things. There's a political
leadership that has ignored the the
information. But there are US attorneys
who aren't taking orders from the
political class and if they just allowed
for investigations to be opened up by
some of the US attorneys where people
are being asked questions, not just
because you emailed Jeffrey Epstein
saying, "I want to go to your mansion.
and I want to go to your island. I don't
want to go to your parties. Doesn't mean
you're guilty of a crime, but don't you
think you should at least be asked, did
you go,
>> were they underage girls? Do you know if
their underage girls were being raped?
Who else did you see? Like, that's how
you do an investigation. So, people are
saying, "Oh, is this a witch hunt?" No,
it's not a witch hunt. Yeah. I'm not
saying every single person in the files
ought to ought to be prosecuted. I'm not
saying, but I do think every person
who's talked about going to these places
should be investigated, asked questions.
>> And what is the route to actually
investigating and and being able to
depose all the people that have
potential connections to Jeffrey Epste?
>> Well, there are two different routes.
One is Congress. We should open up an
oversight subcommittee called the
Epstein Committee and basically haul in
front of Congress through subpoena power
everyone who's been mentioned in these
files to have them testify to the
American people under oath. Everybody
wants that to happen,
>> you know, and that maybe that's what
makes news today that that I believe we
should actually call for that and COMR
should call for that. You know, he he
should take credit for it. He's the
chair of the committee. I mean, Garcia
when he becomes chair next if we take
Congress, but COMR should call for that.
I'd support him. We'd get a bipartisan
vote, establish the Epstein
subcommittee, appoint Democrats, appoint
Republicans on it, and start one by one
by one. You can start with Bill Gates
just because he's the prominent name,
but start a 100 people have and and ask
them questions. You know, you're so
focused on the Clintons. I'm glad the
Clintons are testifying, but that's not
going to answer. If they can get these
people in front of Congress, if this
president isn't going to do it, the next
president should make two commitments.
That they are actually going to
investigate this in terms of where the
law leads with the Justice Department
and that they're going to appoint
someone, as we discussed, to look at the
classified information and give a report
to the American public that they can
trust about what Epstein status was and
what actually took place. No one can do
that other than an American president
because that information is classified.
>> Wow. So only executive power could allow
this subcommittee to be created.
>> No, the subcommittee be can be created
by Congress. Okay. Two separate issues.
Comr can do that tomorrow. You can say
I'm going to create a subcommittee to to
have Epstein hearings. We're going to
start Epstein hearings tomorrow. That's
what we should do. That's what any
normal functioning democracy would do.
You should do it in the House and you
can do it in the Senate as well, but you
know, start with the House. Comr is the
one who's been leading the calls on
getting Bill and Hillary Clinton. Why
not do it for everyone? Separately, the
president needs to be able to look at
the question that you have and so many
people have. What are Epstein's ties to
intelligence? What is
>> who did he work for? Gotcha. So, if
those two things happen in tandem, it
would be like the most robust investigation.
investigation.
>> It would be the most robust. And then
the third is that the Justice Department
needs to give their US attorneys the
green light that they can investigate as
well people who could have gone to the
island based on the files. If the
Justice Department, you know, wants to
open up new investigations, career
prosecutors, they should be able to do that.
that.
>> And do you think any of that will happen?
happen?
>> The Culr one, I don't understand why it
wouldn't happen. I mean, it's the right
politics for him. It's not substantive.
I don't know what what his hesitation
would be. Maybe he'll see this and he'll
agree. I would support it. It'd be
bipartisan. Yeah, he should do that. Uh
if he doesn't do it, then when we take
back the House, Garcia should do it. Uh,
in terms of the president, you know, it
should happen, but maybe it'll take a
new president. I don't know. I don't
know why the president is hesitant to
appoint someone when he campaigned on
this or Vance should, you know what?
Who's been silent in all this is JD
Vance. Like, what happened to him?
>> He's talking about Antifa somewhere.
>> You know, it's like he campaigned on all
this stuff. He was the populist, the
hillbilly elegy. I'm going to be for the
forgotten guy. No, I mean like that was
his whole thing.
>> Yeah, I remember.
>> And like doesn't he want to have like
does he like not have any statement on
Epstein? He's he's been silent. Like,
why doesn't he say, "Okay, I'm going to
lead a call for the intelligence
information to be investigated and for
there to be a report. Yeah, maybe
actually do something as vice president."
president."
>> So, you're saying that Trump could snap
his fingers right now and be able to
tell the American public who Epstein
worked for?
>> He could. And and and and look, he has
to be careful on classified information.
But if I were advising him, I'd say,
"Pick someone who is not political, who
is not one of your lackeyis. So, I'm
appointing this person to look through
and investigate all the intelligence to
make sure that our secrets aren't
compromised in any way and our troops
aren't put at risk or our intelligence
officers aren't put at risk, but I want
there to be a clear report on who
Epstein was about what his relationships
were. And I'm giving the this person 6
months with a commission to come up with
a report. And then you have the report
and you have him testify in front of
Congress. There still will be people who
won't believe it, but at least that's
what we've done when we've had these
kind of cases in the past. and at least
people will say, "Okay, there was some
effort at transparency."
>> Do you think that like if if the people
are angry and frustrated enough that
that pressure could in turn make the
government take that sort of action or
do you think they're just going to keep
trying different distractions and and
moving the target and switching the
goalpost to a different place forever
until we just move on?
>> They're trying the ladder. It hasn't worked.
worked. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, they they thought they didn't
think we'd be talking about this now.
They they tried, remember, they shut
down Congress early over this. They they
shut down Congress in July to get
Epstein to go away. They didn't think
Massie and I would bring the survivors
to the capital. There's no way Donald
Trump thought he was going to sign
Roana's bill, a Bay Area Democrat, that
he's going to sign those Epstein
transparenc. We forced a lot. Not
because Massie and I are some kind of
legislative uh wonder kids because the
American people have been relentless and
as a result we have half the files
released. That's enormous. It shows the
power of people still in this country.
So if people continue with this kind of
advocacy and concern and raising
questions, then I think drip by drip by
drip, we'll get some of these actions.
If people say, "Okay, we've had enough.
Our attention span is done. Let's move
on." Then it won't be possible. But I
don't think that's the case. I think
that these files have actually just
deepened it. And people are talking
about this in uh you know at bars at the
at Super Bowl parties. It's like gotten
through to the popular culture.
>> Yeah. How do you feel about some of the
the public reception and response to the
files? Are you surprised?
>> The biggest surprise I think people have
is what we talked about. How many people
are in it?
>> Like I I think people felt like okay,
there would be a few names and it's
actually helping the people in it
because there's so many we can't keep
track. Like any one of these individuals
would be a front page story, but I I I
hope people see the uh ad that the
survivors have done. It's a Super Bowl
ad, but they didn't have the millions of
dollars to put it on TV so they can see
it online. And they're talking about how
they're not going to arrest until the
files get released and that 3 million
files being redacted is not right. And
and the thing that's been redacted is
what everyone wants to know, which is
who are these people who uh committed
pedophilia? Like why are you redacting
names of people in emails? We're talking
about 10-year-old or 8-year-old girls.
>> So, so just to clarify, most of the
redactions are powerful people. It's
names that redacted.
>> It's names. I mean, some look, some of
the redactions may be legitimate.
They're survivors who have to be
protected. But you have email after
email that has something talking about a
naughty girl, an 11-year-old girl, and
it said the email to Jeffrey Epstein.
The two is not redacted. The from is
redacted. Like what are you doing
redacting blacking out that name?
Obviously a surv it's not a survivor
talking about
raping or abusing a a naughty young
girl. You're who are you protecting?
That that's the biggest question
>> for me. It's always just seemed really
obvious that it's it was a blackmail
operation for intelligence
organizations. That's the only thing
that could possibly make sense. Why else
would you be protecting someone who's a
pedophile? It has to be sort of this
like I don't know like cancerous web of
people that all have dirt on each other.
And obviously the goal is to maintain
elite control of society, but they're
they're engineering compliance through
this advanced blackmail operation.
>> Oh, I I I've for six months haven't
speculated. I'm not I'm not going to
speculate, but I I will just say that
you can't rule out uh his connections to
intelligence agencies and there are a
lot of unanswered questions and we need
to have uh a transparent report about it.
it.
>> Yeah, I know that you can't speculate
cuz your job is to like represent
survivors and get more files disclosed.
But it's like most people if they knew
their friend or uncle or something was a
pedophile would just be like, "Yeah,
that guy's a pedophile. Prosecute him."
They wouldn't be like, "Oh, make sure
his name doesn't appear on anything."
Like what? I know there's a lot of evil
people in the world, but I'm not not
every single person can be an evil pedophile.
pedophile.
>> Well, look, there was another thing
though, which is that this guy was g
giving a lot of money. He had access to
a lot of people with money. And it does
show kind of a
a moral myopia where rich people were
more interested in being part of the
club and being part of that Epstein
class than calling them out because they
didn't want to lose access to other rich
and powerful people. So what their
motives are, what this guy's motives
are, there are huge questions. And it's
not people like, well, why are you
worried about something in the past?
Well, first of all, it's because they're
1,200 plus survivors, so like we have to
care about justice. But it's also
because if we don't fix this, if we
don't have some sense that rich and
powerful people are going to play by the
rules and follow the law, then how do we
restore any sense of trust in our
democracy? Like we've got to understand
what happened here, what our
vulnerability is. Is are we still
vulnerable to this kind of uh total
manipulation uh or uh have we fixed it?
>> Do you think there's going to be a
Nermberg moment maybe 5 10 years down
the line?
>> I think there there should be a truth
and reconciliation moment. Not just by
the way about the Epstein class, but a
lot of things that have gone wrong in
this country uh for people who have
violated the law when it comes to ICE
abuses, when it comes to war crimes, we
need a truth and reconciliation. But on
Epstein in particular, yeah, I think a
new president uh could do that and and
it should be for democratic
accountability and for survivors.
>> So, we talked about the two-party system
a lot and I was curious about your
thoughts on the Democratic party. Do you
think they're going to have any leverage
moving forward come the next election to
face whoever the Republican front runner
is going to be probably advance
>> in 2026 or 2028?
>> Not the midterms, the next presidential election.
election.
>> Well, some I think it depends on what
the midterms happen with the midterms. I
I'm pretty hopeful that we'll win back
the House and we've got an outside shot
at the Senate. And then it depends on
who we put up. If we put up the same old
status quo, like, okay, we're just going
to run saying, "Let's go back to how
things were," uh then I don't think
we're going to win. If we put up someone
uh who comes from the the the
progressives populist wing, the Sanders
wing, like who's going to call out the
corrupt elites, who's going to call out
a corrupt class that has used money to
corrupt politics, who's going to call
out the income inequality, who's going
to say it's not right that a third of
the wealth is piled up in Rose District
in Silicon Valley and people in this
country don't have health care, they
don't have child care, they don't have
good paying jobs, and is actually going
to be for change, then I then I think
we'd win. I I do think I mean I'm
probably going to be people will
criticize me for this but I think if
Bernie Sanders was 15 years younger he
would walk into the presidency but
people want someone who is a change
agent who's actually going to take on
the system.
>> Is there somebody that comes to mind who
you feel like would be a good fit? >> I think there has to be a competitive
>> I think there has to be a competitive primary. This was one of the challenges
primary. This was one of the challenges that we didn't do in uh 2024 because of
that we didn't do in uh 2024 because of circumstance. Right. I mean in
circumstance. Right. I mean in retrospect
retrospect Biden should have announced that he was
Biden should have announced that he was not going to seek re-election. There
not going to seek re-election. There should have been a competitive primary.
should have been a competitive primary. My hope is there'll be 10 15 people who
My hope is there'll be 10 15 people who will run and that it'll actually be a
will run and that it'll actually be a person who have has real change. But,
person who have has real change. But, you know, people have a good sense of
you know, people have a good sense of who someone is. Just saying I'm the
who someone is. Just saying I'm the change candidate. I'm like I'm a young
change candidate. I'm like I'm a young good-looking person is not going to be
good-looking person is not going to be is not going to be enough. Like what
is not going to be enough. Like what where do you stand? What have you done?
where do you stand? What have you done? Where have you shown actual courage?
Where have you shown actual courage? What have you done to take on powerful
What have you done to take on powerful interest? What is your track record?
interest? What is your track record? Where do you actually stand on these
Where do you actually stand on these issues? And then people will be able to
issues? And then people will be able to see
see >> you like Gavin Newsome.
>> you like Gavin Newsome. >> I've supported him. uh uh for for for
>> I've supported him. uh uh for for for governor. I mean, we have differences on
governor. I mean, we have differences on policy, but I did support him when he
policy, but I did support him when he ran for governor.
ran for governor. >> I guess the better question is, do you
>> I guess the better question is, do you think he would have a shot at becoming
think he would have a shot at becoming president of the United States?
president of the United States? >> Well, certainly he's one of the
>> Well, certainly he's one of the contenders. I mean, he's but I think
contenders. I mean, he's but I think there will be at least 10 15 contenders.
there will be at least 10 15 contenders. But I the question is like if we go with
But I the question is like if we go with him, I mean, he's been in politics since
him, I mean, he's been in politics since the 1990s. He's supported Hillary
the 1990s. He's supported Hillary Clinton. He, you know, I I think the
Clinton. He, you know, I I think the question is, are we going to have a
question is, are we going to have a change candidate, someone who's actually
change candidate, someone who's actually going to take on the system, or a status
going to take on the system, or a status quo candidate? I don't believe we should
quo candidate? I don't believe we should be putting forth a status quo candidate.
be putting forth a status quo candidate. I rather we have someone who many people
I rather we have someone who many people haven't heard of and there are many in
haven't heard of and there are many in around the country who's going to be
around the country who's going to be new, who's going to be fresh, who's
new, who's going to be fresh, who's going to be for change.
going to be for change. >> Yeah. How do you feel about the
>> Yeah. How do you feel about the assessment that he's kind of mismanaged
assessment that he's kind of mismanaged California's uh tax revenue?
California's uh tax revenue? >> Well, I think there's been certainly
>> Well, I think there's been certainly waste in California. I mean, obviously
waste in California. I mean, obviously the the highspeed rail that was supposed
the the highspeed rail that was supposed to be built 25 years ago still hasn't
to be built 25 years ago still hasn't been built. Obviously, there's uh we
been built. Obviously, there's uh we have one of the highest homeless
have one of the highest homeless populations and we've been spending
populations and we've been spending money on ineffectively. I mean I I mean
money on ineffectively. I mean I I mean that's just an objective look at
that's just an objective look at California governance. Even he would I
California governance. Even he would I would imagine acknowledge that.
would imagine acknowledge that. >> Yeah. I'm never going to turn my back on
>> Yeah. I'm never going to turn my back on California, but it is difficult
California, but it is difficult sometimes, especially when tax day comes
sometimes, especially when tax day comes and you're looking at your city and
and you're looking at your city and you're like, like you said, all these
you're like, like you said, all these people are being undered and you're just
people are being undered and you're just thinking about the massive amount of uh
thinking about the massive amount of uh of taxes, state taxes and stuff. you
of taxes, state taxes and stuff. you know, like when I first s succeeded as a
know, like when I first s succeeded as a small business owner here, you know,
small business owner here, you know, like when the company brought in a
like when the company brought in a certain amount of money, like it was
certain amount of money, like it was like I owed the IRS like a $100,000 or
like I owed the IRS like a $100,000 or something like that. And that was a real
something like that. And that was a real it really was a frustrating moment for
it really was a frustrating moment for me. And I know so many young people who
me. And I know so many young people who are successful who are leaving
are successful who are leaving California the first chance they can to
California the first chance they can to go to a state that's more, you know, u
go to a state that's more, you know, u friendlier to small business owners who,
friendlier to small business owners who, you know, who aren't cuz it's it's weird
you know, who aren't cuz it's it's weird because it feels like if you're if
because it feels like if you're if you're uber rich in California, you're
you're uber rich in California, you're good. You don't have to pay anything.
good. You don't have to pay anything. But if you're on the way from working
But if you're on the way from working class to a successful point in your
class to a successful point in your life, it's like really hard to climb
life, it's like really hard to climb that ladder here.
that ladder here. >> Well, I totally agree with you. I mean,
>> Well, I totally agree with you. I mean, I think we should be taxing the
I think we should be taxing the billionaires more in this state instead
billionaires more in this state instead of some of the people in California are
of some of the people in California are saying, "No, no, no, no, no. Don't
saying, "No, no, no, no, no. Don't attack the uber tax the uber rich." And
attack the uber tax the uber rich." And yet the bene the the burden is often
yet the bene the the burden is often falling on small business owners. And
falling on small business owners. And then people look at it and they say,
then people look at it and they say, "Look, it's not effective." You know, we
"Look, it's not effective." You know, we have one of the highest poverty rates in
have one of the highest poverty rates in the country when you factor in cost of
the country when you factor in cost of living. Energy costs are way too high in
living. Energy costs are way too high in this state because of PG&E. The housing
this state because of PG&E. The housing costs are way too high in this state
costs are way too high in this state because we haven't built enough housing.
because we haven't built enough housing. The child care costs in this state are
The child care costs in this state are too high. Uh and then you don't have
too high. Uh and then you don't have enough good paying uh working-class
enough good paying uh working-class jobs. And so the there are issues that
jobs. And so the there are issues that you know, we'll see who do you like
you know, we'll see who do you like someone for governor who you have in
someone for governor who you have in mind?
mind? >> I can't think of anybody. That's kind of
>> I can't think of anybody. That's kind of the issue. But I just know that I'm not
the issue. But I just know that I'm not going to leave California. I'm sticking
going to leave California. I'm sticking it sticking it out for for the long haul
it sticking it out for for the long haul cuz I really think it's the best state.
cuz I really think it's the best state. It's like its own country. But so many
It's like its own country. But so many people like I tried to live in Arizona
people like I tried to live in Arizona for like 6 months. Just came right back.
for like 6 months. Just came right back. >> Well, I love California. I mean, look,
>> Well, I love California. I mean, look, the the it's not just the weather. It's
the the it's not just the weather. It's also people from uh different parts of
also people from uh different parts of the world and living in harmony. Uh it's
the world and living in harmony. Uh it's a sense of innovation and risktaking,
a sense of innovation and risktaking, but it's got to be in in partnership
but it's got to be in in partnership with other parts of the country. Like I
with other parts of the country. Like I grew up in Pennsylvania. I was I loved
grew up in Pennsylvania. I was I loved growing up in Pennsylvania, right? And
growing up in Pennsylvania, right? And like we can't look at ourselves as apart
like we can't look at ourselves as apart from the American story. It's sort of
from the American story. It's sort of being what are we going to do for the
being what are we going to do for the the broader country.
the broader country. >> I also grew up in Pennsylvania.
>> I also grew up in Pennsylvania. >> You did?
>> You did? >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Where were you born?
>> Where were you born? >> Philly.
>> Philly. >> Oh, that's where I grew up in Bucks
>> Oh, that's where I grew up in Bucks County in Benella.
County in Benella. >> Oh, nice. I was born at Brimar Hospital,
>> Oh, nice. I was born at Brimar Hospital, but I grew up in Fairmouth.
but I grew up in Fairmouth. >> So, we're both Pennsylvania kids in
>> So, we're both Pennsylvania kids in California.
California. >> Look at us.
>> Look at us. >> Look at it.
>> Look at it. >> And you're a little more successful than
>> And you're a little more successful than me.
me. >> I don't know about that. You got much
>> I don't know about that. You got much more virality.
more virality. >> You're a congressman. Isn't there only
>> You're a congressman. Isn't there only like 435 congressmen?
like 435 congressmen? >> Yeah, but how many how many successful
>> Yeah, but how many how many successful like podcasters are there? Probably less
like podcasters are there? Probably less than less than 50. That's true. You know
than less than 50. That's true. You know what the dumbest thing politicians do?
what the dumbest thing politicians do? Is start their own podcast. That's like
Is start their own podcast. That's like no one no one cares. No one no one wants
no one no one cares. No one no one wants to hear a politician on a podcast. So,
to hear a politician on a podcast. So, >> but do you ever wake up and look in the
>> but do you ever wake up and look in the mirror and just think, "Damn, dude. I'm
mirror and just think, "Damn, dude. I'm a congressman."
a congressman." >> You know, I do sometimes cuz I'm
>> You know, I do sometimes cuz I'm Indian-American and I'm of Hindu faith
Indian-American and I'm of Hindu faith and my parents are immigrants and uh I
and my parents are immigrants and uh I was told until I was like 25 that I
was told until I was like 25 that I couldn't get elected to anything in this
couldn't get elected to anything in this country. And when I think about my
country. And when I think about my story, I was born in Philadelphia, grew
story, I was born in Philadelphia, grew up there and represent now Silicon
up there and represent now Silicon Valley, the wealthiest, most innovative
Valley, the wealthiest, most innovative place arguably in the world. I think you
place arguably in the world. I think you know this is still a pretty decent
know this is still a pretty decent country. You can a lot of things can
country. You can a lot of things can happen in this country.
happen in this country. >> So as far as Hindu faith goes like what
>> So as far as Hindu faith goes like what does that look like? Is there a place
does that look like? Is there a place that you go to to worship or you just
that you go to to worship or you just it's more just like an area?
it's more just like an area? >> It's more spiritual. I mean when I was
>> It's more spiritual. I mean when I was young I would go to the temple. There's
young I would go to the temple. There's a Hindu temples but you know it's I call
a Hindu temples but you know it's I call myself a a Gandhiian Hindu. I mean the
myself a a Gandhiian Hindu. I mean the Hindu faith really influenced Mahatma
Hindu faith really influenced Mahatma Gandhi. his principles of peace and
Gandhi. his principles of peace and justice and that influenced Dr. King in
justice and that influenced Dr. King in this country with the nonviolence
this country with the nonviolence movement. For me, the the Hindu faith is
movement. For me, the the Hindu faith is teaches me like you do your duty and you
teaches me like you do your duty and you don't worry about the consequences. And
don't worry about the consequences. And that my faith actually I think really
that my faith actually I think really influenced how I took on this Epstein
influenced how I took on this Epstein stuff. Like I felt that the survivors
stuff. Like I felt that the survivors were wronged and like I had to do
were wronged and like I had to do justice and I wasn't thinking about
justice and I wasn't thinking about how's this all going to play out. Now,
how's this all going to play out. Now, it turned out that we got the law passed
it turned out that we got the law passed and it turned out I've upset a lot of
and it turned out I've upset a lot of people, but like your faith gives you
people, but like your faith gives you that sense of, okay, you're going to do
that sense of, okay, you're going to do what is your duty.
what is your duty. >> Yeah, it's especially important right
>> Yeah, it's especially important right now. I don't know how much time you
now. I don't know how much time you spend on Instagram and on on X.
spend on Instagram and on on X. Hopefully, not as much time as I do, but
Hopefully, not as much time as I do, but there's a lot of like uh weird like
there's a lot of like uh weird like Indian hate stuff happening online. Have
Indian hate stuff happening online. Have you seen some of that?
you seen some of that? >> I see some of it on X. I see some of it
>> I see some of it on X. I see some of it fear-mongering about like an Indian
fear-mongering about like an Indian takeover of Canada.
takeover of Canada. >> Is is that real? I what I usually see is
>> Is is that real? I what I usually see is like every comment they'll be like
like every comment they'll be like criticizing me and then like be one like
criticizing me and then like be one like deport Roana and I'll have to be like
deport Roana and I'll have to be like well I was actually born in Philadelphia
well I was actually born in Philadelphia and are by centenery but you know I
and are by centenery but you know I think some of the anger at uh at the
think some of the anger at uh at the Indian-American experience is that there
Indian-American experience is that there are a number of Indian-Americans who've
are a number of Indian-Americans who've done very well who through hard work
done very well who through hard work through good fortune and like I said
through good fortune and like I said there's an economic divide right in
there's an economic divide right in Pennsylvania where I grew up like the
Pennsylvania where I grew up like the steel factory shut down in Bristol
steel factory shut down in Bristol there's been a hollowing out of uh
there's been a hollowing out of uh industry and what we need if we take on
industry and what we need if we take on the economic divide then I think this
the economic divide then I think this country is going to be much better at
country is going to be much better at dealing with the the racial diversity.
dealing with the the racial diversity. That's why I call for a new economic
That's why I call for a new economic patriotism. Like how do we build up
patriotism. Like how do we build up economic opportunity across this
economic opportunity across this country?
country? >> And how do you think we do that?
>> And how do you think we do that? >> Well, we need a Marshall plan for
>> Well, we need a Marshall plan for America. A government that says, "Look,
America. A government that says, "Look, we're going to invest in the new
we're going to invest in the new factories in this country. We're going
factories in this country. We're going to invest in a thousand trade schools in
to invest in a thousand trade schools in this country. We're going to invest in
this country. We're going to invest in the new care jobs, nurses, child care,
the new care jobs, nurses, child care, elder care, a lot of that in these
elder care, a lot of that in these communities. We're going to make sure
communities. We're going to make sure that capital isn't just here in Silicon
that capital isn't just here in Silicon Valley. That is capital is across the
Valley. That is capital is across the country. We're going to create tech
country. We're going to create tech center jobs, which I've done with other
center jobs, which I've done with other communities so that you can get a job
communities so that you can get a job even if you don't have a four-year
even if you don't have a four-year degree and understanding how to apply AI
degree and understanding how to apply AI or technology to a small business or a
or technology to a small business or a community. But we need like we need a
community. But we need like we need a Marshall plan for America, an economic
Marshall plan for America, an economic development for America, not like we had
development for America, not like we had just for Europe. And I think if a a
just for Europe. And I think if a a president focused on the economic
president focused on the economic development of Johnstown, Pennsylvania,
development of Johnstown, Pennsylvania, and Warren, Ohio, and Orangeburg, South
and Warren, Ohio, and Orangeburg, South Carolina, and the Southwest, that could
Carolina, and the Southwest, that could bring us together.
bring us together. >> Yeah. So, less less defense spending,
>> Yeah. So, less less defense spending, more spending on domestic manufacturing.
more spending on domestic manufacturing. >> Domestic manufacturing, domestic child
>> Domestic manufacturing, domestic child care, the domestic care economy,
care, the domestic care economy, domestic trade schools. Yeah. Less just
domestic trade schools. Yeah. Less just wars overseas. I mean, I think lift up
wars overseas. I mean, I think lift up our our communities.
our our communities. >> That's interesting that you mentioned
>> That's interesting that you mentioned that uh your district is the the
that uh your district is the the wealthiest in the country. Is that
wealthiest in the country. Is that accurate?
accurate? >> Onethird almost of the nation's stock
>> Onethird almost of the nation's stock market wealth is in my district. We have
market wealth is in my district. We have five companies over a trillion dollars.
five companies over a trillion dollars. Apple, Google, Nvidia, Tesla, and
Apple, Google, Nvidia, Tesla, and Broadcom. It's about $18 trillion of
Broadcom. It's about $18 trillion of market cap. And the total stock market
market cap. And the total stock market in the US is about 69 trillion. So you
in the US is about 69 trillion. So you literally have almost one-third of the
literally have almost one-third of the nation's stock wealth, stock market
nation's stock wealth, stock market wealth in my district.
wealth in my district. >> A lot of guys in the files live around
>> A lot of guys in the files live around here.
here. There
There >> there are a lot of guys in the f files
>> there are a lot of guys in the f files that are around here. Some may be live
that are around here. Some may be live in California, but a lot of them are a
in California, but a lot of them are a lot of them are in uh at least have
lot of them are in uh at least have spent time around here.
spent time around here. >> What's your favorite Indian spot in
>> What's your favorite Indian spot in town?
town? >> I like Shalomar.
>> I like Shalomar. >> We're going to eat there after this.
>> We're going to eat there after this. >> Shalomar.
>> Shalomar. >> Yeah, why not? You know what I mean?
>> Yeah, why not? You know what I mean? >> All right.
>> All right. >> Add a component to it.
>> Add a component to it. >> Can you uh can you uh tolerate spice or
>> Can you uh can you uh tolerate spice or not?
not? >> Definitely.
>> Definitely. >> All right. Shalomar is now not like it's
>> All right. Shalomar is now not like it's not like fancy. Yeah.
not like fancy. Yeah. >> It's a little bit of a hole in the wall,
>> It's a little bit of a hole in the wall, but it's got the best kebabs, best lamb
but it's got the best kebabs, best lamb chops, best chicken tikkas, you know.
chops, best chicken tikkas, you know. And I've let masala try. In fact, I have
And I've let masala try. In fact, I have my masala chai here. The Starbucks stuff
my masala chai here. The Starbucks stuff sucks. Like, you got to get authentic
sucks. Like, you got to get authentic masala chai.
masala chai. >> Yeah, I'm drinking a pretty bad coffee.
>> Yeah, I'm drinking a pretty bad coffee. >> Coffee. My McDonald's KF coffee is not
>> Coffee. My McDonald's KF coffee is not bad.
bad. >> The wealth inequality here is pretty
>> The wealth inequality here is pretty crazy though for the East Paloato
crazy though for the East Paloato PaloAlto divide.
PaloAlto divide. >> Yeah. Although it's not just East Palo
>> Yeah. Although it's not just East Palo Alto Palo Alto, it's East San Jose,
Alto Palo Alto, it's East San Jose, which I represent, Newwork, Elvis,
which I represent, Newwork, Elvis, Malpas, you wouldn't know. And you go to
Malpas, you wouldn't know. And you go to some of these schools, Independence High
some of these schools, Independence High School in in East San Jose, you wouldn't
School in in East San Jose, you wouldn't know you're in Silicon Valley. And then
know you're in Silicon Valley. And then you go to Homestead where Steve Jobs
you go to Homestead where Steve Jobs went or Certino and the world's their
went or Certino and the world's their oyster. So there's an economic divide
oyster. So there's an economic divide here, but then there's the economic
here, but then there's the economic divide around the country,
divide around the country, >> but I feel like uh the Bay Area is is a
>> but I feel like uh the Bay Area is is a mirror of like the most extreme lords
mirror of like the most extreme lords and peasants class structure that we
and peasants class structure that we have that's reflected elsewhere. But I
have that's reflected elsewhere. But I mean, San Francisco, especially a couple
mean, San Francisco, especially a couple years back, it's like, you know, it's
years back, it's like, you know, it's like dystopian. You're seeing those like
like dystopian. You're seeing those like self-driving cars rolling around like
self-driving cars rolling around like they could but they can't move cuz
they could but they can't move cuz there's someone passed out in the street
there's someone passed out in the street and then like there's a guy getting his
and then like there's a guy getting his Door Dash delivery up to his penthouse.
Door Dash delivery up to his penthouse. It's like it's almost totally empty and
It's like it's almost totally empty and he works from home for like a
he works from home for like a multinational corporation.
multinational corporation. >> Yeah. No, it's pretty stark and it's
>> Yeah. No, it's pretty stark and it's because we don't have the right social
because we don't have the right social contract. I said we need a new tech
contract. I said we need a new tech social contract, right? It used to be
social contract, right? It used to be people like Huelet and Packard with HP
people like Huelet and Packard with HP and Andy Grove. People were rooted in
and Andy Grove. People were rooted in the community. They went to like
the community. They went to like Sunnyville Community Services Center.
Sunnyville Community Services Center. They knew Second Harvest. They knew that
They knew Second Harvest. They knew that they had to give back to the community.
they had to give back to the community. It wasn't just all about wealth
It wasn't just all about wealth accumulation. And we haven't done that.
accumulation. And we haven't done that. We haven't had the wages go up fast
We haven't had the wages go up fast enough. We have not had people get the
enough. We have not had people get the health care they need. The biggest issue
health care they need. The biggest issue is the housing though. The cost of
is the housing though. The cost of housing has been astronomical in in this
housing has been astronomical in in this state.
state. >> Is that because of nimism?
>> Is that because of nimism? >> I think it is nimism. It's because we've
>> I think it is nimism. It's because we've let private equity buy up single family
let private equity buy up single family homes. It's because there has not been
homes. It's because there has not been in my view any rent caps. Like it's fine
in my view any rent caps. Like it's fine to say that we while we're building new
to say that we while we're building new housing, we want to have a rent cap. I
housing, we want to have a rent cap. I mean in San Jose 40% of some of people's
mean in San Jose 40% of some of people's salary goes into rent. So, it's a
salary goes into rent. So, it's a combination of uh not building enough,
combination of uh not building enough, letting private equity by, not having
letting private equity by, not having rent caps, and then you just when you
rent caps, and then you just when you have such extreme wealth in a place,
have such extreme wealth in a place, you're going to drive up the the cost
you're going to drive up the the cost because people are bidding for for
because people are bidding for for housing.
housing. >> Private equity like Black Rockck, you're
>> Private equity like Black Rockck, you're talking about massive real estate,
talking about massive real estate, >> ma massive real estate firms, Black
>> ma massive real estate firms, Black Blackstone, others that uh have bought
Blackstone, others that uh have bought >> Oh, I mean Black Stone. Yeah. But it's
>> Oh, I mean Black Stone. Yeah. But it's all kind of the same.
all kind of the same. >> It's all the same. They should ban that.
>> It's all the same. They should ban that. They should ban it. And even Trump is
They should ban it. And even Trump is saying let's ban it. You know, now he's
saying let's ban it. You know, now he's coming up and saying let's ban private
coming up and saying let's ban private equity for buying single family homes.
equity for buying single family homes. And that's effect in my area. It's not
And that's effect in my area. It's not the only thing. I don't want to
the only thing. I don't want to demagogue it. It's like you got to build
demagogue it. It's like you got to build more housing. You got to have some kind
more housing. You got to have some kind of rent cap. You've got to make sure
of rent cap. You've got to make sure that people have a higher salary in the
that people have a higher salary in the if they don't have a four-year degree.
if they don't have a four-year degree. You got to bring down the cost of child
You got to bring down the cost of child care and which is a huge expense here.
care and which is a huge expense here. And you've got to build bring down the
And you've got to build bring down the costs of healthare. But that those are
costs of healthare. But that those are the things that make middle class
the things that make middle class working-class life very hard in
working-class life very hard in California and that have created like
California and that have created like the bifurcated structure. It's like that
the bifurcated structure. It's like that this is why we have a really silly
this is why we have a really silly debate. Anytime people criticize
debate. Anytime people criticize California, the California defenders
California, the California defenders say, "Yeah, but we got all the big
say, "Yeah, but we got all the big companies and all the manufacturing and
companies and all the manufacturing and all the wealth generation." All true.
all the wealth generation." All true. And then the people who dislike
And then the people who dislike California say, "Yeah, but the cost of
California say, "Yeah, but the cost of energy is really high and the cost of
energy is really high and the cost of housing is really high and the wages
housing is really high and the wages aren't keeping up." That's also true.
aren't keeping up." That's also true. And the reality is we have a bifurcated
And the reality is we have a bifurcated economy in California and that's why we
economy in California and that's why we need a new social contract.
need a new social contract. >> So you're going to DC tomorrow?
>> So you're going to DC tomorrow? >> Tonight? Redeye. Yeah.
>> Tonight? Redeye. Yeah. >> So you're taking the red eye of DC
>> So you're taking the red eye of DC tonight. You're going to look physically
tonight. You're going to look physically at Galileain Maxwell tomorrow.
at Galileain Maxwell tomorrow. >> I am.
>> I am. >> Have you seen her before?
>> Have you seen her before? >> Just on TV.
>> Just on TV. >> So you're really going to look at her?
>> So you're really going to look at her? >> Well, I I'm told she may be on video on
>> Well, I I'm told she may be on video on Zoom. So we'll see. I don't know if
Zoom. So we'll see. I don't know if she's coming, but And it's completely
she's coming, but And it's completely wrong what they're trying to do there.
wrong what they're trying to do there. This blanket fifth amendment. They they
This blanket fifth amendment. They they want to basically say she's taking the
want to basically say she's taking the fifth amendment to everything. not going
fifth amendment to everything. not going to say anything. So today I actually
to say anything. So today I actually sent comr seven questions that I want to
sent comr seven questions that I want to ask asking like are is she really going
ask asking like are is she really going to take the fifth amendment to this?
to take the fifth amendment to this? Like telling us whether other people uh
Like telling us whether other people uh who the co-conspirators were what their
who the co-conspirators were what their names are like how does that implicate
names are like how does that implicate her or telling us who else uh on the
her or telling us who else uh on the island raped underage girls? How does
island raped underage girls? How does that implicate her? Like it's uh so you
that implicate her? Like it's uh so you know she's she answered all the
know she's she answered all the questions when Blanch interviewed her,
questions when Blanch interviewed her, but now she wants to take the fifth
but now she wants to take the fifth amendment. So we'll see what we find
amendment. So we'll see what we find out. And you're going to get to look at
out. And you're going to get to look at the remainder of all the files.
the remainder of all the files. >> Yeah. In the afternoon, Massie and I are
>> Yeah. In the afternoon, Massie and I are meeting up. We're going to go together
meeting up. We're going to go together to uh justice and we're going to uh
to uh justice and we're going to uh start to to see the uh remaining of the
start to to see the uh remaining of the files.
files. >> What are you expecting? Just like more
>> What are you expecting? Just like more of the same.
of the same. >> Well, I mean, the first question I'm
>> Well, I mean, the first question I'm going to ask is why are these blacked
going to ask is why are these blacked out names, right? I'm going to They
out names, right? I'm going to They don't let you take staff. They don't let
don't let you take staff. They don't let you take in electronics. I'm printing
you take in electronics. I'm printing out literally the places I want to see,
out literally the places I want to see, the documents I want to see.
the documents I want to see. >> And when you say ask, you mean like the
>> And when you say ask, you mean like the the librarian kind of who works?
the librarian kind of who works? >> Yeah. I mean, we'll find out how how
>> Yeah. I mean, we'll find out how how much access, how we'll get it, but do I
much access, how we'll get it, but do I physically have to sit there typing in
physically have to sit there typing in these names and the searches, you know,
these names and the searches, you know, they're they're making it very hard
they're they're making it very hard because they don't usually you get to
because they don't usually you get to take in staff like lawyers and others
take in staff like lawyers and others who are adept at this, who studied this.
who are adept at this, who studied this. Now, Massie and I are going to do what
Now, Massie and I are going to do what what we can, but the biggest questions I
what we can, but the biggest questions I have is like, why are names blacked out
have is like, why are names blacked out of people who have sent some of the most
of people who have sent some of the most incriminating emails at first glance? I
incriminating emails at first glance? I mean, if there's an innocent explanation
mean, if there's an innocent explanation for it, I'll I'll let you know. I I
for it, I'll I'll let you know. I I can't think of one, but I'm I always go
can't think of one, but I'm I always go in with an open mind.
in with an open mind. >> I'm curious to see who wrote that email
>> I'm curious to see who wrote that email that was like, "Hey, hope you're doing
that was like, "Hey, hope you're doing good. Love the torture video." Have you
good. Love the torture video." Have you seen that one?
seen that one? >> I haven't seen that one. I'll put that
>> I haven't seen that one. I'll put that on the weirdest email I've ever seen in
on the weirdest email I've ever seen in my life. It's like, "Hey, hope you're
my life. It's like, "Hey, hope you're having a great weekend. Love the torture
having a great weekend. Love the torture video. Talk to you soon." It's like,
video. Talk to you soon." It's like, what's wrong with these people?
what's wrong with these people? >> Yeah, seriously. I mean, some of the
>> Yeah, seriously. I mean, some of the stuff is sick. I mean, it's like they're
stuff is sick. I mean, it's like they're they're It's not just that they did uh
they're It's not just that they did uh really gruesome gruesome things. It's
really gruesome gruesome things. It's that they like take pleasure in it or
that they like take pleasure in it or joy in it or a sick uh thrill in it.
joy in it or a sick uh thrill in it. >> Yeah. I mean, I feel like to acrew that
>> Yeah. I mean, I feel like to acrew that level of influence and capital, you
level of influence and capital, you already have to have like taken
already have to have like taken advantage of so many people. That's just
advantage of so many people. That's just my theory about that. I think maybe by
my theory about that. I think maybe by the time they just have these like
the time they just have these like freakish control fantasies that extend
freakish control fantasies that extend to like sadistic tendencies. I always
to like sadistic tendencies. I always imagine like their souls are just like
imagine like their souls are just like so rotten that they need to do the worst
so rotten that they need to do the worst thing ever to feel something.
thing ever to feel something. >> Yeah. Or maybe it's like that they need
>> Yeah. Or maybe it's like that they need something that's so forbidden, that's so
something that's so forbidden, that's so out of uh normal human life. But but
out of uh normal human life. But but it's almost like it's not just that
it's almost like it's not just that they're above the law, they revel in
they're above the law, they revel in being above the law. They that's their
being above the law. They that's their thrill that they are, you know, uber
thrill that they are, you know, uber mench or that these kind of superhuman
mench or that these kind of superhuman that the the rules don't apply to them
that the the rules don't apply to them that that those of us who live by the
that that those of us who live by the rules, it's kind of weak, right? That
rules, it's kind of weak, right? That that's how that's how they almost look
that's how that's how they almost look and they're they they someone once said
and they're they they someone once said to me like, well, they're they would be
to me like, well, they're they would be the conquerors in a different age. Now
the conquerors in a different age. Now they're just building wealth. And a lot
they're just building wealth. And a lot of conquerors didn't think the rules
of conquerors didn't think the rules applied to them, right? They would do
applied to them, right? They would do heinous things like rape girls and
heinous things like rape girls and plunder
plunder >> like Gangaskhan, the Vikings, etc.
>> like Gangaskhan, the Vikings, etc. >> Yeah. you're just con conquerors in
>> Yeah. you're just con conquerors in America in in world history and these
America in in world history and these folks think that they're superhuman and
folks think that they're superhuman and the whole democratic project was against
the whole democratic project was against that, right? It was supposed to be that
that, right? It was supposed to be that everyone is equal and that's why this
everyone is equal and that's why this stings this cut so deep into uh our our
stings this cut so deep into uh our our culture.
culture. >> Have you looked into why uh Bannon and
>> Have you looked into why uh Bannon and Epstein were so close and how Bannon had
Epstein were so close and how Bannon had such like unfiltered access to him? I
such like unfiltered access to him? I don't know. You know, I haven't focused
don't know. You know, I haven't focused as much on that, but obviously there
as much on that, but obviously there he's all over the files and there's
he's all over the files and there's questions of how he was trying to
questions of how he was trying to rehabilitate him, I think, on some
rehabilitate him, I think, on some video. No chance.
video. No chance. >> And uh the I don't I don't get it. I
>> And uh the I don't I don't get it. I don't understand what the fascination
don't understand what the fascination was. You know, he'd be someone also who
was. You know, he'd be someone also who would come before the Epstein oversight
would come before the Epstein oversight committee that we should have like bring
committee that we should have like bring them all in, have them answer questions
them all in, have them answer questions to the American people.
to the American people. >> So, what are the main things you're
>> So, what are the main things you're hoping to get out of tomorrow? I want to
hoping to get out of tomorrow? I want to I'm going to go specifics which is if
I'm going to go specifics which is if I'm focused on 10 emails maybe like can
I'm focused on 10 emails maybe like can I get the names for those 10 emails and
I get the names for those 10 emails and uh understand why they're redacted and
uh understand why they're redacted and then understand what I'm allowed to say
then understand what I'm allowed to say you know what Massie is allowed to say
you know what Massie is allowed to say if they have been redacted you know just
if they have been redacted you know just push for them to be unredacted and get
push for them to be unredacted and get the information out there but the
the information out there but the reality is what I'm trying to understand
reality is what I'm trying to understand is what's the motivation of protecting
is what's the motivation of protecting people who are they protecting and why
people who are they protecting and why and anything I can get to that will uh
and anything I can get to that will uh will be a step forward.
will be a step forward. >> This is one of the foundational
>> This is one of the foundational questions when it comes to all Jeffrey
questions when it comes to all Jeffrey Epstein related matters. Do you think he
Epstein related matters. Do you think he was murdered, committed suicide, or that
was murdered, committed suicide, or that he's still alive?
he's still alive? >> I personally don't think he's still
>> I personally don't think he's still alive. Uh I was in the camp of 100% that
alive. Uh I was in the camp of 100% that he committed suicide, but I don't know
he committed suicide, but I don't know anymore. I now have questions based on
anymore. I now have questions based on these files about what happened. And I'm
these files about what happened. And I'm less certain that we know everything
less certain that we know everything based on what has come out, based on
based on what has come out, based on some of the conversations I've had with
some of the conversations I've had with survivors.
survivors. >> What makes you think that he can't be
>> What makes you think that he can't be alive?
alive? >> I guess, you know, I I can't rule it out
>> I guess, you know, I I can't rule it out like as a a total possibility just from
like as a a total possibility just from what survivors have said and others have
what survivors have said and others have said, I I if you were to ask me, I don't
said, I I if you were to ask me, I don't think that's the case.
think that's the case. >> Yeah, but you I mean, obviously, as a as
>> Yeah, but you I mean, obviously, as a as a elected official, you can't go down
a elected official, you can't go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, but it's
the conspiracy rabbit hole, but it's very easy to do, especially with three
very easy to do, especially with three billion files. Well, the the the problem
billion files. Well, the the the problem is that this is what's what's happening
is that this is what's what's happening is if you do a selective release, you're
is if you do a selective release, you're just opening up more and more questions
just opening up more and more questions and it's not good for those of us who
and it's not good for those of us who don't want conspiracies. But I, you
don't want conspiracies. But I, you know, Massie and I have been very
know, Massie and I have been very careful in not doing that. It's why we
careful in not doing that. It's why we genuinely have a lot of trust amongst
genuinely have a lot of trust amongst people and amongst the survivors to to
people and amongst the survivors to to be pursuing this because none of this
be pursuing this because none of this would be possible if it weren't for the
would be possible if it weren't for the survivors. And uh if I lose the trust of
survivors. And uh if I lose the trust of the survivors, then I'm no longer going
the survivors, then I'm no longer going to be effective. Do you have a final
to be effective. Do you have a final message for the American people who are
message for the American people who are uh you know hoping that at some point
uh you know hoping that at some point they'll get full disclosure and
they'll get full disclosure and transparency from the government?
transparency from the government? >> This is the fight of our times. This is
>> This is the fight of our times. This is one of the largest scandals in American
one of the largest scandals in American history. It goes to two tiers of
history. It goes to two tiers of justice. The rich and powerful in this
justice. The rich and powerful in this country feeling they're above the law.
country feeling they're above the law. It is shameful and disgraceful that the
It is shameful and disgraceful that the most influential people in finance, in
most influential people in finance, in tech, in Hollywood, in politics were
tech, in Hollywood, in politics were inshed with Jeffrey Epstein. that they
inshed with Jeffrey Epstein. that they were doing this when they knew he was a
were doing this when they knew he was a convicted pedophile. They were asking to
convicted pedophile. They were asking to show up to his home, his ranch, or his
show up to his home, his ranch, or his island knowing that young girls were
island knowing that young girls were going to be there. And this entire
going to be there. And this entire Epstein class needs to be held
Epstein class needs to be held accountable. There need to be
accountable. There need to be investigations and prosecutions. And the
investigations and prosecutions. And the entire Epstein class needs to be out of
entire Epstein class needs to be out of our politics. No, no more of their super
our politics. No, no more of their super PAC money and their money controlling
PAC money and their money controlling politics. And we need a new start, a new
politics. And we need a new start, a new moral beginning in America. This should
moral beginning in America. This should be a cleansing of a failed political
be a cleansing of a failed political class in a new direction for uh our
class in a new direction for uh our country.
country. >> All right, Congressman, thank you so
>> All right, Congressman, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate you.
much for your time. Appreciate you. Awesome. And what was the name of that
Awesome. And what was the name of that Indian spot you talked about?
Indian spot you talked about? >> Shalomar. Shalomar. In Fremont, there's
>> Shalomar. Shalomar. In Fremont, there's one in Fremont. There's one up in San
one in Fremont. There's one up in San Francisco.
Francisco. >> All right. Awesome. Thanks. Which which
>> All right. Awesome. Thanks. Which which one's better? Probably the one in your
one's better? Probably the one in your district.
district. >> Fremont one is is better, but I you know
>> Fremont one is is better, but I you know I represent SF1's better. SF1's not
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