it seems to be a common thread in this conversation.
conversation.
It's about becoming a person that other
people are attracted to, whether it's
men or women. Yes. Exactly. So rather
than desiring, this is what pisses me
off about the law of attraction. People
say, "I want, I want, I want." Don't
give a [ __ ] about what you want. No one
cares. Um surely it's better to become
the thing you want. Like if you want
money, become investable. Exactly. Then
you get money. If you want a good woman,
become a good man. Exactly. Seems to be
a thread that we're No, it it is a
thread. And it's something that Andrew
and I preach constantly. We've been
preaching self-improvement ever since we
first got on the internet, you know, in
between our inappropriate jokes that,
you know, keep getting played 10 years
later. But, uh, we've always given a
message of self-improvement because I
think that's the way we've always seen
the world. Yeah. two mixed race kids on
a council estate in Luton statistically
have no chance no chance of ever I mean
owning your own home would be a great
achievement if you were born in those
circumstances let alone building the
empire Andrew and I have so we just knew
that we had to be better than we had to
outgrow our environment if it was ever
going to change and now I'm here in
Dubai talking to you so it obviously
worked thank you is self-improvement
is there a problem with always chasing
to be better?
Does it make it harder for you to
appreciate where you are in your life
right now? Well, the universe is very
kind and the universe often knocks you
back. And I think those moments are very
necessary in life to understand that I
was uh flying in a private jet. Few days
later, I was opening Christmas presents
with my daughter. 48 hours later, I was
in a prison cell. I'm like, did I really
appreciate that as much as I should have
appreciated it? You mean when you were
in prison? When I was Yeah, when I was
sitting in prison. So, so life
occasionally knocks you back and makes
you understand that
you should appreciate what you have. I
think a lot of people uh can be spoiled
if they're if they're certainly born
into wealth or influence that that can
spoil people. Yeah. But the world is a
is a cruel place and it's a beautiful
place and I could tell everybody
listening as a matter of fact within the
next 15 years something terrible is
going to happen to you. Absolutely. That
is what's going to happen. Someone's
going to someone you love is going to
die. You're going to get injured. You're
going to have a car crash. Something bad
is going to happen to everyone in the
next 15 years. So these events knock you
back. and and self-improvement isn't
just about, you know,
trying to be better and better every
single day. It's understanding that if
you're not improving, you're you're
shrinking. I I trained this morning. If
I didn't and I didn't train tomorrow and
I didn't train the day after, I'm not
just maintaining where I am. I'm
actively going backwards. You're an
investor and a businessman. If you took
a week off work, you haven't just
maintained your position. You've spent
money. You've you've you've gone and
enjoyed yourself. you've actively taken
steps back. So life is a is a journey
where you constantly have to be swimming
against the tide or you get swept away.
And I don't see it as a choice. Yes, you
have to train every morning. Yes, you
have to work every day. Yes, you have to
make smart decisions because if you
don't, you get sucked back by the tide
into this pool of everybody else where
90% of the people in the world live
because they don't understand that basic
rule. So, anyone who preaches against self-improvement,
self-improvement,
you'd have to have either
the perfect life, the best genetics, and
be in the best shape just cuz God
blessed you with whatever. Already a
billionaire, no need to work, everyone
in your life loves and respect respects
you. You have to be the most
knowledgeable man in the world and know
everything, having read every book that
humans have ever put together. Then you
can be like, "Yeah, self-improvement
stupid." But only once you've done it.
But those people are never happy though,
are they? No, they're not like name
someone who's achieved that panacea and
there's there's a nagging need for more
and challenge and chaos. So, you can
either be unhappy up there or unhappy
down here and and mo and most people are
unhappy down there. And I've been both
and this one's better. At least try that
one. Get to the good one and try it.
Stop bitching about everyone that's
there. That's what Andrew That's what
Andrew famously said to some guy who
reached out to him saying he was going
to kill himself. Andrew said, "Get a
six-pack first, then kill yourself." He
goes, "What do you mean? Just get a
six-pack, one or two meals a day,
thousands of crunches, squats, push-ups,
get a six-pack, then kill yourself. I
don't care." Which you won't. And the
guy got in great shape, almost had a
six-pack, got down to like 16, 70% body
fat, looked great, and he said, "Andrew,
you saved my life. Why would I want to
kill myself? Everything's great." So
yeah, you have to you have to try to to
reach somewhere higher up before you say
this is it. I'm just going to look down
from here and look down on everyone
else. But most people don't get it in
life. And you know this this dream that
everyone's going to be rich or your time
will come or every everything's going to
work out for you is is completely false.
And most people are born broke, they
live broke, they die broke, and then if
they have bought a house in their life,
inherited to tax comes and takes it away
from their kids. So that's most people's
life cycle. So when I sit out here, you
know, telling people to try and do
better, you can look up from I won't say
the bottom. You can look up from where
I've been and say, "Ah, Tristan's just
stuck up and Tristan's, you know,
preaching all this stuff. It's all right
for him because he's got X, Y, and Z."
Or you can understand that I've been
where you've been and I know it sucks
and I know it's hard, but you have to do
something anyway. Self-improvement is
the is the cornerstone of every
successful person. I've never met a
single successful person who isn't
trying to get better at the very least
at what makes him money, let alone
everything else. Yeah. How do you
inflict the perfect revenge?
I'm not a very vengeful person, Rob.
Believe it or not, I'm not a very
vengeful person because I think
true vengeance, if you really wanted to
hurt people legally,
you'd have to be very petty. Obviously,
you could say go and shoot them, for
example. But we're we're talking about
what you can do. You'd end up in prison,
so that wouldn't be perfect. Exactly.
What can you do within the confines of
the law?
You could mess with people forever. I
don't know. Let's say I hated some guy
in England. I find out his house is
rented. I could buy his house off the
landlord for £10,000 over the value and
make a move. Find his new address, buy
that house, make a move, find his new
address, buy the house to the left and
right of him, move a bunch of gypsies
in. I could do like You said you're not
a vengeful person, but this is good.
I've considered these things. I've
definitely considered these things, but
but but how much of my life do I want to
waste my amazing life to make someone
whose life sucks suck a little bit more?
That's the question. How much am I
taking away from myself to take away a
small part from them? And that's the
equation that I always look at when it
comes to revenge, cuz these are all
ideas that I've had about people. And I
could do these things.
Yeah, I'm not very vengeful. I think the
best revenge when people have hurt me or
upset me or pissed me off or ruined our
friendship somehow in my life has just
been success. And people say success is
the best revenge. But people who aren't
striving to be successful say that. And
then they'll like post a photo of
themselves on vacation in in I don't
know, Benadorm on a 250 pound
all-inclusive and they'll be like,
"Success is the best revenge." I'm like,
"No, cuz no one cares you're in Ben
&orm." But the people who have upset me
in my life when I was on my way up and
that I disassociated with really wish
that they were in Marcel's position
right now, Rory's position, Nigel's
position, people who have stayed close
to me because everyone benefits when one
of you rises to the top as long as
you're not. So, yeah, revenge truly is
uh success truly is the best revenge,
but you have to actually do it, which
very few people do.
What are the major red flags you spot in
people? I think the red flags I spot
in women and men are very different.
Very different.
I'd say
at the position I'm currently at in
life, the red flags I see in men are
certainly uh a fanboyish kind of
behavior towards me. You treat someone
like a celebrity, they're going to treat
you like a fan. Um especially when
you're sitting down and you're having a
serious conversation with somebody just
by chance talking to him for 10 minutes.
They're like, "Oh, let me call my
friend. He's not going to believe this."
Yeah. What the [ __ ] are you doing? Yeah.
Like we were having a conversation. That
is a huge huge red flag. I also don't
like people men and women who are entitled.
entitled.
People who think that they deserve
everything else everyone else has. So,
to give you example, if I'm
if I'm uh I don't know, hanging out with
somebody and I say, "Oh, I'm going
driving tomorrow." And they're like,
"Oh, but you've got supercars, so I
don't have one." And they're upset about
it. Like Rory will laugh and be like,
"Yeah, well, I can't come driving with
you cuz I haven't got a car." Like,
he'll laugh about it. But people who
feel entitled to what I've worked for, I
can't stand. Um, the major red flag in
men is a man who's bad with women, a man
who can't get laid. That's a huge red
flag. I could leave I was talking with
my friend Justin Waller about this just
a few months ago. I could leave cuz the
the woman who has my kids is beautiful.
I could leave her and my kids in their
house for a year and they wouldn't even
so much as look up at her while she's
walking from the bathroom in a towel.
Not once. None of my friends would. Why?
Because women like them and they can get
their own women. When you have a guy who
can't get women to like him and can't
get women to speak with them, the
problem that I found in life is they
will confuse
friendship with romantic interest. So,
if they they've never had a beautiful
woman talk to them ever, and there have
been times in my life where my my
assistant, Georgiana, who's still my
assistant, I'm not allowed to talk to
her still because Romania is insane, but
uh she's a beautiful woman, and she'll
pick someone up from the airport for me,
for example. This is eight, nine years
ago. And then the guy will be like, "Oh,
I think Georgiana likes me." I'm like,
"I know she doesn't. She's actually told
me she hates you. However, she's my
assistant picking you up from the
airport, making chitchat, and being
nice. They have so little scope and
experience when it comes to females that
they mistake
romantic interest with someone being
polite. And women just generally don't
talk to them. So if Andrew has a
beautiful girlfriend and she's in my
house and you had one of these losers
around, she'd sit and talk to them for
three hours. Why? Because Andrew's out
working and women love to talk. So
she'll they'll talk for three hours and
then they might what? Make a passer, do
something stupid. I I've been in all of
these circumstances in one way or
another in my life. So, I don't trust
men. If a guy's like, "Oh, I can't get
any girlfriends and women don't like me.
Uh, what would be my advice?" Especially
when he looks like [ __ ] and he's out of
shape and stuff. Which he knows the
answer to his question. I'm like, "I
can't have that guy around me. I have
beautiful women around me in my house.
My friends have wives. My friends have
girlfriends. I don't need this piranha
in my fish tank." So, that's the major
red flag in men. Women, there's loads of them.
them.
loads. Okay. Maybe we'll come back to
those. Yeah. So, I've got something here
that you've said.
Andrew starts the fire. I just make sure
we don't burn down. What does that mean?
When did I say that? I'm trying to think
what I was referring to. This must I
mean life maybe. Yeah. This must have
been some years ago. Andrew is a master
communicator and a lot of people mistake
the things he says because they don't
understand why he says things the way he
says them. There's a reason whether you
hate Andrew or love Andrew that you
cannot stop seeing Andrew everywhere.
And there's a reason whether you hate
him or love him that you know who he is
and you know some of the things he said
inflammatory or not. And a lot of the
worst things that have been posted about
me that we've said are genuinely you
could play any clip to me now and I'll
tell you the context of it and make it
seem a lot more tame. But Andrew says
things in a certain way and afterwards
there is a level of sitting around
thinking about damage control, you know,
which is fun. But um
fun. Yeah, it is fun. It is fun. But
sometimes Andrew will be on a podcast
and I'll be in the same room listening
to him speak and I'm like I'm going back
to jail. You know, I think it's my job
to keep a more level head than him.
Yeah. He He's sometimes like a like a
bull charging at the matador, but he
catches him. He doesn't hit the red
flag. Like it's all positive and we
always move in the right direction. But
yeah, sometimes it's
my job to I mean I'm seen as the calmer,
some often more reasonable brother. Is
that a true reflection? Kind of, but
Andrew is very calm and reasonable
himself and he doesn't have a persona.
He's not an actor. What it is is let's
say 20% of his personality is
hyperinflated when he goes online.
There's so many aspects of Miley
Andrew's life and who we are that people
will never ever see. I don't want them
to see it. So, Andrew is who he is
online when he's online. And he is who
he is online 20% of the time going about
his day. But I think I am a lot more
calm and I do try to keep us out of
trouble as much as I can in the way that
I'm the only person Andrew will listen
to. Lawyers the only person. Yeah. Wow.
Lawyers will tell him, "Don't say this."
Literally, you'll go to jail if you keep
saying this. and he'll keep saying it
like he doesn't care. I'm the only
person who can talk to him. So, in a
way, it's a a blessing and a curse to be
in that position because sometimes it's
not fun, but it's never an argument.
It's just like how much of our bottom
line monthly is putting that particular
clip on the internet right now going to
get us? Because the answer is zero.
You're going to go, you're about to go
viral. you know why you've said it the
way you've said it and you know people
are going to lose their does it impact
our bottom line positively or negatively
the answer is always zero nothing at all
and then uh he usually ends up posting
it anyway it's fun yeah it's great but
surely at some point it was that kind of
communication that blew you guys up in
the first place yeah oh 100% and we've
now gone through the fire I don't know
what they're going to come up with next
I think I genuinely believe that the the
powers at B are losing interest in
Andrew and which is which is kind of
good with Trump coming into power and so
many other dangerous people to attack.
Now the media says Elon's a bad guy
every day and he's a Nazi and he's an
unchecked psychopath. They've kind of
moved away back in the era of the
Democratun United States and the woke
mob being in charge of everything.
Andrew was arguably one of the loudest
voices in the entire world. Now there's
so many and a lot of them are very
brave, very very industrious people like
Elon and a lot of them I will say
unapologetically are cowards. They're
cowards in the way that they were not
around when it was dangerous to say
these things. Now they're on Twitter
saying everything they want. It's like,
yeah, I said it when I wasn't allowed
and got banned on Twitter. You didn't.
So, everyone's based nowadays, but it
was Andrew and I who certainly helped
pave the way for this. So, yeah, the
communication style made us viral and
made us famous. And Andrew is fantastic
at what he does. I'm very much the
subsidiary character and I'm perfectly
happy to to be that guy. I've got a
bunch of controversial opinions on lots
of things.
and everyone knows what they are, but I
don't necessarily see the benefit of
rubbing them in everyone's faces. And
Andrew does that for me anyway, so it's fine.
fine.
So, are you uh completely delineated in
the roles that you have within your
businesses? No. And you know what? I've
tried to answer this a couple times and
my answers I watch them back and they're
never good. Right. You just do what's
got to be done. Is that how it rolls?
That's basically it. and and and people
have tried to dissect that and I've
given answers. I've watched them back
and I'm like, is that really accurate or
is that really true? Well, this week it
wasn't. So, we just both do whatever we
have to do. It's simple as that. There's
there's a certain task to be achieved.
Yeah. It's not like, well, you're better
at this, you're better at that. We'll
just both work on the task together. I
guess we're we're a team in every way.
And what's the hardest thing you've had
to change Andrew's mind about or stop
him from doing? I know that you don't
have too much arguments, but the hardest
thing where you knew I've got to I've
got to pull rank on this.
Often he has to drag me back from
things, right? So So the the the first
one that came to my my brain was and it
was nothing to do with Andrew. It was me
telling him that we needed a super yacht
and him saying, "Tristan, we're on house
arrest. Why do we need a super yacht?
That doesn't make any sense." and
somehow we end up buying the super
yacht. Um, and we do need it by the way
and he agrees now. Yeah. So, there are
minor disagreements like that, but it's
no, there's never it's never been like,
Andrew, definitely don't say this or
don't say that. Is that because you're
the younger brother? No, it's because I
understand that. And I no longer care
anymore. I've been in jail. Everyone in
the world has opened criminal
investigations into me. My whole past,
my entire life has been completely
dissected by every federal agency. I
don't think they're going to shoot me.
So now I don't care at all. I don't care
at all what Andrew says. But there were
times in the past, certainly before we
went to jail, where some of his videos I
tried to, you know, coach him out of
saying certain things a certain way. And
yeah, he never really listened. But I
think he took it into account when those
issues came up on videos and stuff. And
I I I will sit with him and I'll say,
"When you're asked this by this guy,
here's a very valid point. When this
person brings this up, here's a very
valid point." And I'll speak out loud
and say answers to difficult questions
that I think may come up. And then I
watch him on interviews say exactly what
I said to him. So he takes my opinion
into account or andor you found a way to
communicate with him. Well, yes.
Exactly. Exactly. And those those are
some of my I guess proudest moments as a
brother when I'm watching him when
someone comes up with the exact crap I
know they're going to hit him with and
he says the exact answer that I was
saying out loud in our cigar room
because we were brainstorming. I'm like,
"Okay, good. Andrew listens to me." It's
never so much trying to hold him back.
It's just always trying to be prepared
for everything and him taking my my the
voice in his head, you know, is is mine.
I think a lot of the times in the way that
that
he doesn't care about anyone's opinion
besides himself in terms of dictating
his actions besides maybe mine which is
a kind of cool accolade to have over
somebody as powerful and influential as
Andrew. And does he ever say to you I
love you? We don't need to say it. Occasionally,
Occasionally,
you know,
almost never. I never say it back. We
don't need to say it. No. No. It's a bit
gay, you know. Am I Am I allowed to say
that in 2025? Well, you just have, so it
doesn't really matter. It's a bit gay,
you know. You know, in jail, ah, we're
going to get through this. I love you,
bro. Maybe that was said, but it's not
like I don't know. It's a bit gay. All
my friends know I love them and I insult
them constantly. All I do is make fun of
them. And is that your way to call them
racist names? It's hilarious. You know,
that's the way male friendship works. Is
Is it really though?
to say I love you. Well, I saw the
truest meme in the world on the
internet. It said girls to each other's
faces. Oh, I love you. You're so
beautiful. You're a boss. Behind girls
behind girls backs. She's she's a she's
And it said men to men's faces. You're a
you're a loser. You know, nobody likes
you. Men behind each other's backs.
Actually, you know, you know, Robbie's
actually a decent guy. Yeah. And I was
like, that's so true. And it's it's al
it's an alien concept to women that this
is the way that a lot of men communicate
with each other. But yeah, my friends
and my brother know I love them. And
it's it's it's spoken in actions more so
than in words. You know, when they said,
"We're going to let you go from jail,
Tristan, and Andrew will have to stay
longer." I said, "No, I'm going to
assault a police officer and I'll get
stuck back in here." Which is a true
story, by the way. And I threatened the
police officers, one of them. I said,
"You're the guy I'm going to hit cuz I
like you, but just know I'm hitting you,
so you put me back. if this happens, you
know, that that's that's greater than
any I love you in my opinion. So, I'm a
Yeah, I'm a poet in actions, not in
words. If Andrew
ask you to hit someone, would you just
hit someone immediately? I wouldn't even
ask what they did. If he asked you to?
Yeah. You just hit them? Yes. Yeah. You
wouldn't want to know why? No. Why not?
Andrew has very rarely ever asked me to
hit somebody. And in confrontational and
violent situations, the thinking time of
should I do this or should I not is the
time you can die. And I'm not interested
in pondering about whether it's the
right thing to do. It's uh there's been
situations where I've seen Andrew
hitting people and they're in a group
and I just start hitting the other ones.
I mean, I'm I'm from Luton. I I grew up
rough. Certainly, there's been
situations where I've been hitting
people and Andrew just looks who's with
them and starts hitting them. It's more
of a survival instinct. I'm not
interested in reason and compromise once
things get to that point. Andrew, if
someone's walking towards us and Andrew
says, "Hit that guy. I I will hit him
immediately. I'll find out why
afterwards, you know, but I know he's
got a good reason. I know he's not
sending me like some vigilante to go get
himself put in jail because he disagreed
with somebody online, you know. Yeah.
So, yeah, I would hit somebody without
without question. Right. And what's the
sort of biggest threat, the worst fight
you've both been in? The fight against
the I mean government of Romania. I mean
like a phys because obviously there's
there's a punch in a bar and then
there's a proper fight. No, I it's
always been it's always been punch-ups
in bars. Andrew and I were we were
training our whole lives. We never got
beaten up. We've never been like jumped
and beaten up badly. like we've always
either escaped those situations like in
he's told the story a hundred times
about in Muldova when some guy hit me
and we kind of negated the situation and
got out of there. But yeah, we've never
been in and you'd be okay with that. You
don't have to just go throwing punches
at everyone. You you could use your
brain. Well, in Moldova there was about
35 40 of them and I was like, "Okay,
this is unwinable." So I started
speaking Romanian at them. Yeah. Saying,
"Look, man, I'm going home. I'm not I'm
not a tourist. Let me I'm just leaving."
And then half of them were kind of like,
"Whoa, whoa, he's not some foreigner
that we need to be up." Yeah. And we
kind of like negotiated the situation
and got in the car and uh that was
probably the closest Andrew and I got to
getting our asses kicked because you
can't fight 40 men. Doesn't matter who
you are. Men who are willing to fight
like these guys were. But um if I could
meet those guys now, I'd buy them a
drink. Cool guys. Yeah. But why why are
they cool? Why? Because they were
furious that there was two Americans
walking around their city with three
beautiful women. They're from Moldova.
These are beautiful Moldovven women.
What What are they doing walking around
my city with beautiful women? They're
definitely here chicks. and they were
right. So, of course, they're going to
swing for me. I like that that
patriotism in them that made them think
there's two foreigners walking around
with our women. Let's go beat them up. I
kind of respect that. And I think the
world needs a bit more of that that
hostility, that xenophobia, that that
national pride. That was kind of cool.
And if they if if they reached out to me
now and saying, "Hey, I'm the guy with
the white BMW X5 who punched you in the
face." I'd be like, "Cool, man. Let me
buy you a beer. I like you." You know?
Yeah. I I get it. But yeah, we've we've
never been in that dangerous of a
situation. We're we're pretty decent
fighters. We grew up in the age before
everyone had a knife and we got in a
bunch of punchups, but we always came
out on top. Yeah. UK versus Dubai. Uh at
least once a week, an entrepreneur
friend of mine [ __ ] off from the UK and
comes here. Y uh and the taxes are
getting ridiculous in the UK and there
aren't many here. UK versus Dubai. It's
a no-brainer. If taxes were the same,
prices were the same, real estate was
the same, quality of life was the same,
but all England had was its crime epidemic.
epidemic.
That's like saying beautiful Victoria
Secret model and beautiful Victoria
Secret uh model with AIDS. Which one are
you sleeping with? It's that binary of a
choice, is it? Isn't it? Surely you're
saying there's a risk if I live my life
in England and do everything the same.
Forget taxes. Forget all of it. There's
a risk of death when I send my kids to
dance classes. No thanks. I am not
interested. I don't care how many runway
shows she's done. Once I see HIV
positive on that piece of paper, I'm not
doing it. And that's England to me in a
nutshell. And that's an analogy I've
used with friends and family and I've
given and people I mean, do you
disagree? No. There we go. Like, it's
it's a very good analogy. So, you're not
even you're not even far enough up the
food chain to look at the taxes and No.
No. Nowhere near. That's an example of
everything's the same. Now we're talking
Victoria Secret model who's a virgin
with no sexual past and no risk of
diseases plus versus fat overweight
Jordy chick with bad acne and and and
obviously fake hair extensions and
bitten down fingernails with AIDS. Like
we're not talking equal playing field,
but there's one caveat. There's one turd
in the punch bowl. We're talking about a
whole punch bowl full of turds against a
delicious fruit punch. That's what we're
talking about here. So, that analogy is
very good. All things remaining equal,
but things aren't equal in any way. So,
if you want to add the taxes and the
prices, well, Dubai can be quite
expensive. I don't I don't Yeah, but at
least you get to choose what you spend
your money on. They take it all at the
at source in the UK. Exactly. But
drivers here are really cheap. Yeah. You
could basically have a load of people
serving you for for not much money. I
do. Yeah. Yeah. I do. And um yeah, I I I
like to buy very much and that's how
black and white the choice is for me.
When are you moving?
It's funny because Andrew asked me that
yesterday and everybody here has asked
me that. And you're thinking about it,
aren't you? Yeah, of course. Of course.
Yeah. Don't catch age. Don't catch age.
No, I mean that that analogy is is going
to stop. Yeah. Think about think about
it. You just you I mean you just said or
maybe it was off camera, but you just
said a 14-year-old boy the same age as
my son had his head stomped in at a
shopping center. He can't go to a
shopping center. The moment my child is
old enough to competently catch a bus by
themsel, they can go to the shopping
center in Dubai. Once they're nine, if
they wanted to, they could go to a mall
by themselves and be perfectly safe.
That's something you don't get. No. in
in the the western world. We talk about
England, France, Spain's getting that
way. Germanyy's certainly that way. It's
gotten that bad everywhere. Yeah. Romania
Romania is
is
Romania is a fat, ugly chick who doesn't
have AIDS. You know, it's nice enough.
Nothing bad's going to happen. Wear your
nice watch, drive your nice car. Sure,
the infrastructure sucks and you know
there's government level corruption that
can screw you with like it tried to
screw me, you know. All right, it's a
fat ugly chick with chlamydia. That's
Romania. But it sure beats the fat it
sure beats the one with AIDS. So I'd
rather live in Romania than England,
hands down. So
just going to take it this moment. I I
think I think these are perfectly valid
analogies. I'm probably going to get
attacked for this. Well, that doesn't
bother you, does it? Oh, no, not at all.
It's fine. Right. So, I'm going to read
something you said about the UK. Go
ahead. I will never move back to the UK
unless someone saves it from itself.
It's a toxic environment. Yes. Why? When
I say saves it from itself,
what I mean is
the people there don't care about the
country's best interests.
And you'll see people in England waving
signs when the boats are coming in on
the shore being like, "You're welcome
here." Bunch of middle-aged men. And I'm
like, why do you cry and call out for
the destruction of your country so
badly? America also has this problem.
But Trump came along with such an overwhelming
overwhelming
such an overwhelmingly positive message.
He swayed enough of the American
population to put him into office. Which
means you can ignore the losers. The
losers who want all the people crossing
over the southern border. You can ignore
them because you can't now because
there's the military there. It took what
one hour to close the border after he
became the president. It's that easy.
And when I say I need someone to save
the UK from itself, I look at the
political parties before reform because
I am quite a big reform supporter and I
look at the Liberal Democrats and I look
at the Conservatives and I look at the
Labor Party and I look at everything
they say. I'm like, I don't even have
anyone to vote for here. I don't have
anyone that I can even vote for that
will remotely start to undo the damage
to England that's been done over the
last quarter of a century, arguably
longer. So, when I say it needs someone
to save it from itself, I mean someone
with radical new ideas, who's willing to
be disliked, who's willing to ignore the
people who cry about stupid issues.
Because right now England for me is just
not a livable environment, especially
when you're a publicly known person. I I
can't walk around London and feel safe
and secure. Why is that? London should
be the greatest city in the world. We
had the world's largest empire. All of
the wealth from all over the world
flowed into one single city for 180
years. And you're telling me now if I
walk down the street, someone's going to
put a knife in my heart. And people will
joke, "Oh, it's not that bad." I It
literally happens almost every day. [ __ ]
is it happens almost every day. And
people who live in London will be like,
"Well, I've never seen any of that."
Yes, I know. London's got what, 8
million people, but it does happen every
day. It hasn't happened to you. That
doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Yeah.
You know, it's like uh if you went to
Colombia and started sleeping with
prostitutes and came back and be like,
"Well, I didn't get AIDS." Well, you're
lucky, but but you shouldn't you
shouldn't think that's a safe
environment to put your whatever in, you
know? So it happens in England all the
time and especially in my hometown Luton
which is incredibly violent and
incredibly rundown. Until someone gets
hard on the [ __ ] who are trying to
ruin the country and someone comes along
with a radical new idea, I I wouldn't
feel safe having my daughter or my uh
girlfriend in England. God forbid you
send her to to a Taylor Swift dance
class. That sounds like the safest day
in the world, doesn't it? And we all
know what happened with that [ __ ]
Axel Ruda Cabana. That sounds like the
safest thing you can do. I'm going to
work to provide for my family. What's
your wife and child doing today? They're
going to a Taylor Swift dance class. If
you had to bet 50 years ago on the
chances of a knife wielding maniac
putting a knife through your daughter's
spine and killing her at a Taylor Swift
dance class, you you'd quite safely bet
0%. But the odds are no longer 0% in
England. So, how can I in good faith as
a father whose job it is to protect my children
children
live in that country? Maybe way out in
the countryside some somewhere. Maybe
with a bunch of armed security, but I'd
rather just be somewhere where I don't
need that. So, I'm not moving back yet.
We'll see what happens in the next
general election. Go Nigel. You know,
you think he's got a chance, Nigel? I
wasn't sure. He crushed the council
election. And when I saw that, I was
like, "Ah, okay." After the last
election, he got his foot in the door
and now the door is swinging wild wide
open. as long as he doesn't fumble it. I
don't like the arguments of Rupert Low.
I don't like the bid. I I don't There's
always infighting. There's always
parties. Yeah. But but if I was them, I'
I'd have kept it all behind closed doors
and said, "Let's just shut the [ __ ] up
until for four more years." You know,
let's deal with it later. But no
politician is perfect. No, I don't think
just like with police officers and a few
other jobs, the type of people who want
to be politicians
typically aren't necessarily my type of
people. They're very necessary people.
Donald Trump is a very different animal
because he's not from the world of
politics. But the type of people who
want a career in politics aren't
necessarily my type of people. Same as
the people who want a career in the
police force, not necessarily my type of
people. So, I don't look at politicians
looking for the perfect guy because
there is no perfect guy and everyone's
human and everyone's fallible. But I
believe that England can at least try to
start some kind of road to recovery if
there's drastic change. And drastic
change comes in the form right now of
Nigel Farage and his reform party. And I
I really do wish them all the best. And
once my name is clear, which it will be
by the end of this year, completely
clear, especially once I win in Florida,
I'm going to do my absolute best to make
sure every young man out there, the
people who typically don't vote and who
have given up on politics, casts a
ballot for the Reform Party and gets
them in. That that's what I see as the
least I can do for my home country,
which I'm very proud of. I saw the
council elections and I was like, "Oo,
maybe he's got a change." And and with
the English system, you only need a
slight vote advantage above the other
parties to win an overwhelming majority.
And if he has an overwhelming majority
of people who are going to do exactly as
he says, then great. Oh, the European
Bill of Human Rights, let's get rid of
this. People will protest. But as I said
with Donald Trump, you can ignore the
idiots. What do you mean you're taking
away my human rights? No, we're taking
away people's right to just show up here
and say you can't deport them anymore.
That's what we're doing. You know,
there's a Trojan horse horse in this
bill and we need to burn the whole horse
down to kill the soldiers inside. So
when they when they do put that up in
the commons hopefully in three years
time and every single reform member
says, "Yep, we'll pull out the European
Bill of Human Rights and get rid of it."
I don't want any part of that. I will be
clapping. Yeah. And I I hope he pulls it
off, but God knows. Do you think it's
going to be difficult? Because, you
know, they're basically a startup. I
mean, I've I've been in the offices. I
know the chairman, know Nigel very well.
um interviewed now most of them they are
a little they are a little baby startup
their office is about the size of this
room but their message has resonated
with enough people they may be a little
baby startup but as compared to 2 years
ago when maybe not a lot of people in
the UK knew exactly who the reform party
were and what they stood for now
everybody knows who they are it doesn't
matter and I when we got famous were
just two men with a
You can be two men with a camera and you can influence the entire world. And I've
can influence the entire world. And I've proven that. And with what the Reform
proven that. And with what the Reform Party are doing and the ideas that they
Party are doing and the ideas that they have, of which I don't like all of them,
have, of which I don't like all of them, but I like a lot of them. No one's going
but I like a lot of them. No one's going to like everything. Exactly. They've
to like everything. Exactly. They've really, I think, touched the hearts of
really, I think, touched the hearts of every British patriot in a way. And
every British patriot in a way. And they've woken the British patriot up to
they've woken the British patriot up to the idea that there is another option. M
the idea that there is another option. M there's no longer there no longer people
there's no longer there no longer people sitting like like I was saying vote for
sitting like like I was saying vote for these three idiots. It's like well this
these three idiots. It's like well this guy he seems okay let's give him a
guy he seems okay let's give him a chance. So it doesn't matter how many
chance. So it doesn't matter how many people with the with the age of the
people with the with the age of the internet and podcasts and things like
internet and podcasts and things like this doesn't matter how big their office
this doesn't matter how big their office is. Doesn't matter how much money they
is. Doesn't matter how much money they have. It matters if people will vote for
have. It matters if people will vote for them. That's all that matters. Yeah.
them. That's all that matters. Yeah. Well um I saw Nigel post recently. He's
Well um I saw Nigel post recently. He's got more followers on Tik Tok than every
got more followers on Tik Tok than every other MP that exists. Exactly. There we
other MP that exists. Exactly. There we go. And what are they not seeing? Have
go. And what are they not seeing? Have you ever seen Labour's social media?
you ever seen Labour's social media? No, I you know what? I've never even
No, I you know what? I've never even seen it. Which proves that nobody cares
seen it. Which proves that nobody cares about their message because people
about their message because people naturally share things. Well, and an
naturally share things. Well, and an algorithm show you stuff. I mean, I saw
algorithm show you stuff. I mean, I saw a clip of Nigel Farage eating a cheese
a clip of Nigel Farage eating a cheese sandwich in a pub. I was like, "Yeah, I
sandwich in a pub. I was like, "Yeah, I can resonate with that, you know." Yeah.
can resonate with that, you know." Yeah. And then that that that Nigerian lady,
And then that that that Nigerian lady, Kem Batternock,
Kem Batternock, she said one of her tweets went viral
she said one of her tweets went viral and she was like, "Oh, you know, I I
and she was like, "Oh, you know, I I work so hard as the leader of the
work so hard as the leader of the Conservative Party. I don't often have
Conservative Party. I don't often have time for lunch, so I just have steak
time for lunch, so I just have steak sent up to my office." And she thinks
sent up to my office." And she thinks that resonates with the common British
that resonates with the common British man. Steak. This This woman's talking
man. Steak. This This woman's talking about steak being sent to her office.
about steak being sent to her office. So, she's such a hard worker. I should
So, she's such a hard worker. I should respect her. Most people in England
respect her. Most people in England can't eat steak. People are using food
can't eat steak. People are using food banks. Is this woman is is she stupid is
banks. Is this woman is is she stupid is my question. Whereas N far is sitting
my question. Whereas N far is sitting there eating a cheese sandwich in the
there eating a cheese sandwich in the pub goes super viral. No, I super like
pub goes super viral. No, I super like him and I think the the common British
him and I think the the common British man can relate to him. But what about
man can relate to him. But what about Brav the Brav party is a project that
Brav the Brav party is a project that Andrew is taking very very seriously. I
Andrew is taking very very seriously. I think that
think that is a legitimate Absolutely. Absolutely
is a legitimate Absolutely. Absolutely it is. And again, we got more followers
it is. And again, we got more followers on social media and more email signups
on social media and more email signups to our email list than some of the some
to our email list than some of the some of the major parties in a very short
of the major parties in a very short period of time. Brav right now is a
period of time. Brav right now is a political vehicle that's evolving into a
political vehicle that's evolving into a political party. If England is still in
political party. If England is still in the state it's in two or three elections
the state it's in two or three elections from now, Andrew Tate in his 50s, when
from now, Andrew Tate in his 50s, when all of our fans, every young man in the
all of our fans, every young man in the world, by the way, is our fan. It's it's
world, by the way, is our fan. It's it's not a small fan base has grown up and
not a small fan base has grown up and they are the voting adults when Andrew
they are the voting adults when Andrew comes along in his 50s and wants to make
comes along in his 50s and wants to make a actual go for it and become PM. Is it
a actual go for it and become PM. Is it winnable and is it a viable project?
winnable and is it a viable project? Potentially yes. As of right now that we
Potentially yes. As of right now that we have so many other fires to put out and
have so many other fires to put out and so many other issues going on on in our
so many other issues going on on in our life, it's definitely not going to be
life, it's definitely not going to be ready by the next general election.
ready by the next general election. However, we control the political
However, we control the political interests of many many many of England's
interests of many many many of England's youngsters and England England's young
youngsters and England England's young men. I would argue I would argue and I
men. I would argue I would argue and I don't know the statistic. This isn't a
don't know the statistic. This isn't a fact that many young men in the United
fact that many young men in the United Kingdom probably only follow the Brav
Kingdom probably only follow the Brav party and they don't follow reform or
party and they don't follow reform or conservative or or liberal Democrat or
conservative or or liberal Democrat or Green or anything else. So I control the
Green or anything else. So I control the political interests of so many of the
political interests of so many of the UK's youth that in 3 years if I'm happy
UK's youth that in 3 years if I'm happy with them I can tell everybody who
with them I can tell everybody who listens to me to go out there and vote
listens to me to go out there and vote for reform. I can. But if England is
for reform. I can. But if England is still on its I mean it's on the path to
still on its I mean it's on the path to destruction. Some argue it's already
destruction. Some argue it's already destroyed and it's already too far gone.
destroyed and it's already too far gone. That's an argument that holds a lot of
That's an argument that holds a lot of water. If it's still bad later on down
water. If it's still bad later on down the line in the 2030s, then yes,
the line in the 2030s, then yes, absolutely it will it will become what
absolutely it will it will become what it was originally founded to be and
it was originally founded to be and Andrew will make a shot at it because
Andrew will make a shot at it because Andrew is very good at everything he
Andrew is very good at everything he tries. And he also gets bored easily and
tries. And he also gets bored easily and a couple more years like this, I'll have
a couple more years like this, I'll have enough money to never need to work
enough money to never need to work again. So, why not try to become prime
again. So, why not try to become prime minister? We'll see what he does, but
minister? We'll see what he does, but he's got my full support either way.
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money. Are you suing the BBC for a billion? I don't know who I'm suing, but
billion? I don't know who I'm suing, but the list is as long as my arm. I'm suing
the list is as long as my arm. I'm suing a lot of people.
a lot of people. So, yeah, probably.
So, yeah, probably. Probably. The thing is when I said about
Probably. The thing is when I said about pettiness and revenge, pettiness takes
pettiness and revenge, pettiness takes up your time. You know, I have a team of
up your time. You know, I have a team of high powered lawyers. Sue this person,
high powered lawyers. Sue this person, they said this. Sue this person, they
they said this. Sue this person, they said this. All these lawsuits are
said this. All these lawsuits are starting. All these people are panicking
starting. All these people are panicking getting letters to their house. These
getting letters to their house. These court cases are definitely going ahead.
court cases are definitely going ahead. I don't know who I'm suing, but the
I don't know who I'm suing, but the moment I see one mistake. Oh, you missed
moment I see one mistake. Oh, you missed the word allegedly. Oh, you you said
the word allegedly. Oh, you you said he's aist. You didn't say allegedly.
he's aist. You didn't say allegedly. Boom. Sue him. Anyone worth suing? So,
Boom. Sue him. Anyone worth suing? So, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to sue
yeah, I'm going to I'm going to sue loads of people just cuz I think it's
loads of people just cuz I think it's funny. So, is is it not for your brand,
funny. So, is is it not for your brand, your reputation, the fiscal? I I get
your reputation, the fiscal? I I get that in September once the Romanian case
that in September once the Romanian case closes and I get my piece of paper in
closes and I get my piece of paper in September saying that this person
September saying that this person falsely accused Dristen and Andrew. The
falsely accused Dristen and Andrew. The only person who's ever accused us of
only person who's ever accused us of anything bad. As I said, oh, they've got
anything bad. As I said, oh, they've got 20 victims. Oh, yeah. The mother of my
20 victims. Oh, yeah. The mother of my kid is a victim. You know why she's a
kid is a victim. You know why she's a victim? Because there are large
victim? Because there are large financial transactions between us.
financial transactions between us. That's what was submitted to the judge
That's what was submitted to the judge to try to put me back in jail. Large
to try to put me back in jail. Large financial transactions? You mean paying
financial transactions? You mean paying for my child's life? Like, that's not
for my child's life? Like, that's not real. Her accusation, although
real. Her accusation, although disprovable by CCTV, her own words, is a
disprovable by CCTV, her own words, is a real accusation.
real accusation. That's it. No one else has ever accused
That's it. No one else has ever accused me of anything. So once I have that
me of anything. So once I have that piece of paper to wave around, I don't I
piece of paper to wave around, I don't I don't care what people think. You know,
don't care what people think. You know, you really don't. When I'm out of the
you really don't. When I'm out of the hot water, which I basically am now. I'm
hot water, which I basically am now. I'm out of the hot water. People can pretend
out of the hot water. People can pretend I'm in hot water. As I said, I don't
I'm in hot water. As I said, I don't care who's doing paperwork about me. I'm
care who's doing paperwork about me. I'm in my $5 million car on my way to meet
in my $5 million car on my way to meet Rob more than I'm going for dinner. I'm
Rob more than I'm going for dinner. I'm out of hot water. But if there's some
out of hot water. But if there's some guy on the internet typing Tristan's a
guy on the internet typing Tristan's a human trafficker. Good, good, good. And
human trafficker. Good, good, good. And you know, I'm glad he thinks I'm a human
you know, I'm glad he thinks I'm a human trafficker because it makes him more
trafficker because it makes him more upset with his life because I'm free,
upset with his life because I'm free, living my life, I'm rich, everything's
living my life, I'm rich, everything's great. Good. He could think I'm a human
great. Good. He could think I'm a human trafficker. In fact, I want him to. I
trafficker. In fact, I want him to. I joked saying I'm going to get business
joked saying I'm going to get business card saying Trist take human trafficker.
card saying Trist take human trafficker. And the funny thing is, if I hand them
And the funny thing is, if I hand them out to beautiful women, I'll get more
out to beautiful women, I'll get more calls back than any of these guys who
calls back than any of these guys who dislike me with their business card
dislike me with their business card listing their real profession. So, I
listing their real profession. So, I don't care if they think I'm a human
don't care if they think I'm a human trafficker. I've come to I've been
trafficker. I've come to I've been gifted this uh reputation
gifted this uh reputation of like this gangster, but I'm not. But
of like this gangster, but I'm not. But the fact that people believe it, I'm
the fact that people believe it, I'm like, this is kind of cool. You know,
like, this is kind of cool. You know, sometimes you sit down, you see people
sometimes you sit down, you see people at tables whispering probably, "Oh, it's
at tables whispering probably, "Oh, it's those guys, those those kidnappers, they
those guys, those those kidnappers, they got out of jail. Those those rich guys
got out of jail. Those those rich guys who kidnap people." I'm like, "Yeah,
who kidnap people." I'm like, "Yeah, that's kind of cool in a way." You know,
that's kind of cool in a way." You know, it's kind of cool. I said to Andrew, our
it's kind of cool. I said to Andrew, our very good friend, a man I really respect
very good friend, a man I really respect a lot, Michael Frances, was an actual
a lot, Michael Frances, was an actual bonafide mafia cappo. Literally, he did
bonafide mafia cappo. Literally, he did nine years in jail. And he has probably,
nine years in jail. And he has probably, he's a born again Christian, a real
he's a born again Christian, a real patriot, great guy now, living clean as
patriot, great guy now, living clean as a whistle. But he's got a super cool
a whistle. But he's got a super cool aura about him. And it comes from one,
aura about him. And it comes from one, who he is, and two, the reputation
who he is, and two, the reputation around him. That's that mafia guy.
around him. That's that mafia guy. That's what people say when he walks in
That's what people say when he walks in the room. Yeah. You can't buy that. I
the room. Yeah. You can't buy that. I was gifted it cuz I'm not actually a
was gifted it cuz I'm not actually a criminal. But people will literally, oh,
criminal. But people will literally, oh, that's the guy who runs that organized
that's the guy who runs that organized criminal gang. I'm like, okay, thanks.
criminal gang. I'm like, okay, thanks. But like, it's not like I've said I am.
But like, it's not like I've said I am. Like, I'm not trying to fake it till I
Like, I'm not trying to fake it till I make it or like I'm not trying to make
make it or like I'm not trying to make people think I am. In fact, all I do is
people think I am. In fact, all I do is explain why I'm not a criminal. But that
explain why I'm not a criminal. But that reputation is kind of cool. And that's a
reputation is kind of cool. And that's a a present that's been thrown at me. You
a present that's been thrown at me. You know, when I I speak to women, they
know, when I I speak to women, they like, "Oh, I saw you on the internet." I
like, "Oh, I saw you on the internet." I said, "Oh, did you hear I kidnapped
said, "Oh, did you hear I kidnapped people?" Don't worry, I only kidnap
people?" Don't worry, I only kidnap blondes. You're safe. And she's
blondes. You're safe. And she's brunette. And she'll laugh and smile and
brunette. And she'll laugh and smile and come back to my house. Like, it doesn't
come back to my house. Like, it doesn't affect me negatively. It's kind of cool
affect me negatively. It's kind of cool and sexy. So, thanks Romania and the
and sexy. So, thanks Romania and the prosecutor and this this girl. Thanks
prosecutor and this this girl. Thanks for that. I guess it's it's interesting.
for that. I guess it's it's interesting. Yeah. Would you say you're one of the
Yeah. Would you say you're one of the richest people alive without a bank
richest people alive without a bank account? I did say that on a podcast
account? I did say that on a podcast once. And then the internet detectives
once. And then the internet detectives came along and they were like, "We can't
came along and they were like, "We can't find how much money Tristan has." Oh,
find how much money Tristan has." Oh, nothing's listed and that's what he's
nothing's listed and that's what he's definitely broke. I'm like, "That was
definitely broke. I'm like, "That was the point of what I said. The fact that
the point of what I said. The fact that I don't have banks. Why you're snooping
I don't have banks. Why you're snooping around? You can't find money in banks
around? You can't find money in banks and you're telling me I'm poor." Like,
and you're telling me I'm poor." Like, there's there's levels of of being
there's there's levels of of being wealthy that you can't fake. We only fly
wealthy that you can't fake. We only fly on private jets. A one-way flight from
on private jets. A one-way flight from Romania to the United States is
Romania to the United States is $200,000. when I fly back to Romania to
$200,000. when I fly back to Romania to one way 65 $70,000 on the big planes I
one way 65 $70,000 on the big planes I fly on, there's levels of having money
fly on, there's levels of having money that you can't fake. Yeah. Uh I think
that you can't fake. Yeah. Uh I think that that the Bugatti Andrew bought a
that that the Bugatti Andrew bought a couple years ago was very integral to
couple years ago was very integral to our brand cuz it was a $5 million car
our brand cuz it was a $5 million car with our name stitched into the
with our name stitched into the headrests. I've still got it. It clearly
headrests. I've still got it. It clearly wasn't rented. That that's what made
wasn't rented. That that's what made people realize, okay, these guys
people realize, okay, these guys actually know something and they are
actually know something and they are earning money. That's now one of six
earning money. That's now one of six cars that we have that's over $5 million
cars that we have that's over $5 million in value. Right. When I when I'm back in
in value. Right. When I when I'm back in Romania soon, because I I plan to go
Romania soon, because I I plan to go back, I'll be driving my $2.1 million
back, I'll be driving my $2.1 million DB5 around from 1963. Like, you can't
DB5 around from 1963. Like, you can't fake those things. So, am I one of the
fake those things. So, am I one of the richest men in the world without a bank
richest men in the world without a bank account? Maybe not. I don't know how the
account? Maybe not. I don't know how the billionaires and the oil shakes set up
billionaires and the oil shakes set up their life. I don't know if they
their life. I don't know if they actually have personal checking accounts
actually have personal checking accounts or not. Yeah. I I said it as a normal
or not. Yeah. I I said it as a normal person. Every normal person has a bank.
person. Every normal person has a bank. It's a right of passage into becoming an
It's a right of passage into becoming an adult. You 15, 16, you open your bank
adult. You 15, 16, you open your bank account, get your first debit card, you
account, get your first debit card, you feel like an important adult. In terms
feel like an important adult. In terms of just normal people, I have to be up
of just normal people, I have to be up there. I have to be up there because I
there. I have to be up there because I have a lot of money. So, and and that's
have a lot of money. So, and and that's that's evident by just my lifestyle. So,
that's evident by just my lifestyle. So, yeah. And I still don't have a bank and
yeah. And I still don't have a bank and I don't want one anymore. I'm fine. I've
I don't want one anymore. I'm fine. I've learned to live with that one. I don't
learned to live with that one. I don't want a bank anymore. Wow. It's control,
want a bank anymore. Wow. It's control, isn't it? Yeah. And the banks. What's
isn't it? Yeah. And the banks. What's going to happen? I'm going to put money
going to happen? I'm going to put money in a bank and then they're going to take
in a bank and then they're going to take and then Yeah. And then someone's going
and then Yeah. And then someone's going to make up some accusation about me, the
to make up some accusation about me, the UK probably saying I'm a money launderer
UK probably saying I'm a money launderer or and just hold the money for years.
or and just hold the money for years. Screw you. I'll keep my money somewhere
Screw you. I'll keep my money somewhere safe. Where is that? I'm not going to
safe. Where is that? I'm not going to say on this podcast. And I would never
say on this podcast. And I would never ask. That's just I wouldn't ask about
ask. That's just I wouldn't ask about your kids. I wouldn't ask about that.
your kids. I wouldn't ask about that. But you're a smart man and you can
But you're a smart man and you can guess. But my money is safe. So leave me
guess. But my money is safe. So leave me alone. In fact, my actual argument is on
alone. In fact, my actual argument is on the flip side, I don't have any money.
the flip side, I don't have any money. Cuz in a way, well, because broke people
Cuz in a way, well, because broke people trying to look for where rich people's
trying to look for where rich people's money is. That is a a hilarious par.
money is. That is a a hilarious par. That's a hilarious par. They don't know
That's a hilarious par. They don't know how to hide it away. Like a lot of
how to hide it away. Like a lot of people say to me, "Oh, you don't own
people say to me, "Oh, you don't own that many properties." How would you
that many properties." How would you ever know? Exactly. Rob Moore may not
ever know? Exactly. Rob Moore may not own them on paper. You don't understand
own them on paper. You don't understand the way rich people do things. You don't
the way rich people do things. You don't understand it at all. Um, you know,
understand it at all. Um, you know, people believe that someone's net worth
people believe that someone's net worth means they have that much money in the
means they have that much money in the bank. Like like Elon Musk puts in his
bank. Like like Elon Musk puts in his debit card and sees 400 billion, you
debit card and sees 400 billion, you know, 400 with nine zeros at the end.
know, 400 with nine zeros at the end. Like people people don't people don't
Like people people don't people don't understand money at all. And then
understand money at all. And then they'll be like, "This car isn't under
they'll be like, "This car isn't under Tate's name. My name is stitched into
Tate's name. My name is stitched into the seat. Whose car do you think it is?"
the seat. Whose car do you think it is?" In fact, I I upset a a a detective from
In fact, I I upset a a a detective from Romania. I saw the hurt on this guy's
Romania. I saw the hurt on this guy's face. I may as well tell the story. I'm
face. I may as well tell the story. I'm not scared of these people anymore. They
not scared of these people anymore. They got no more bullets left to fire at me.
got no more bullets left to fire at me. So, they come to my house, steal all my
So, they come to my house, steal all my cars. Everyone knows the story. They
cars. Everyone knows the story. They held my cars for years. I only got those
held my cars for years. I only got those first cars back, the Rolls-Royce, the
first cars back, the Rolls-Royce, the Aston. I only got them back a few weeks
Aston. I only got them back a few weeks ago. They held those cars for two and a
ago. They held those cars for two and a half years, right?
half years, right? They came for the second raid. They took
They came for the second raid. They took a bunch of cars, including my Lada. Went
a bunch of cars, including my Lada. Went viral.
viral. And uh I said to him in the in my living
And uh I said to him in the in my living room, I know the guy well. He's raided
room, I know the guy well. He's raided my house every time and he's one of the
my house every time and he's one of the sticklers who really wants to catch me
sticklers who really wants to catch me doing crimes some for some reason. Looks
doing crimes some for some reason. Looks through my underwear. I'm like, "Yeah,
through my underwear. I'm like, "Yeah, you're a tough guy. Look through another
you're a tough guy. Look through another man's underwear. Great. Good for you." I
man's underwear. Great. Good for you." I said to him, I said, "Those cars aren't
said to him, I said, "Those cars aren't mine. You're going to have to give those
mine. You're going to have to give those cars back." But he already had his
cars back." But he already had his papers. He was like, "Ah, but in
papers. He was like, "Ah, but in Romania, those cars are being upgraded
Romania, those cars are being upgraded and wrapped and stuff, and you're you're
and wrapped and stuff, and you're you're you're doing that. So, why are you doing
you're doing that. So, why are you doing that on cars that aren't yours?" I said,
that on cars that aren't yours?" I said, "Did I pay the invoice for the upgrades?
"Did I pay the invoice for the upgrades? Was that me, Tristan Tate, who paid the
Was that me, Tristan Tate, who paid the invoice?" No, it wasn't me. I don't even
invoice?" No, it wasn't me. I don't even have a bank. And he was like, "Oh, we'll
have a bank. And he was like, "Oh, we'll see. We'll see." Go to court. Judge
see. We'll see." Go to court. Judge gives all my cars back immediately. So,
gives all my cars back immediately. So, uh, he had taken the you there's a
uh, he had taken the you there's a Ducatti motorcycle in my house and he
Ducatti motorcycle in my house and he taken the key out of it because they had
taken the key out of it because they had smashed the door in so badly and they
smashed the door in so badly and they couldn't get in that the door was
couldn't get in that the door was broken. So, first he's like, "I need to
broken. So, first he's like, "I need to take this motorcycle." I said, "Well,
take this motorcycle." I said, "Well, take it." But the door doesn't open. I
take it." But the door doesn't open. I said, "You broke it. You could have rung
said, "You broke it. You could have rung the doorbell. I would have let you in.
the doorbell. I would have let you in. and you decided to be a tough guy and
and you decided to be a tough guy and smash my door and now the motorcycle
smash my door and now the motorcycle can't leave. This is a you problem. I'm
can't leave. This is a you problem. I'm not going to help you steal from me. So,
not going to help you steal from me. So, he has this motorcycle key. I have his
he has this motorcycle key. I have his number. So, as soon as the judge says I
number. So, as soon as the judge says I can have all my stuff back, I messaged
can have all my stuff back, I messaged him directly. Said, "Hey, bro. Riding
him directly. Said, "Hey, bro. Riding the motorcycle this weekend. When can I
the motorcycle this weekend. When can I come take the key?" And he said, "Well,
come take the key?" And he said, "Well, I guess you can come tomorrow at 9:00
I guess you can come tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. to the office." So, I go into the
a.m. to the office." So, I go into the Dec office. And uh I say, "Hey, judge
Dec office. And uh I say, "Hey, judge gave me all the cars back. I told you
gave me all the cars back. I told you they'd give them back. They're not
they'd give them back. They're not mine." And um he goes, "Oh, here's the
mine." And um he goes, "Oh, here's the key." And because he's obviously upset
key." And because he's obviously upset with his life, he went, "Yes, but I mean
with his life, he went, "Yes, but I mean these cars are back in your possession,
these cars are back in your possession, but you they're not your cars. They're
but you they're not your cars. They're not in your name. This is why the judge
not in your name. This is why the judge gave them back." And I said I said his
gave them back." And I said I said his name, but I'm going to use bro instead
name, but I'm going to use bro instead of his name. I said, "Bro, the first
of his name. I said, "Bro, the first time you nicked all my cars, you still
time you nicked all my cars, you still have them cuz they were in my name. Did
have them cuz they were in my name. Did you really think I was going to let you
you really think I was going to let you do that to me again?" "Yes, they are my
do that to me again?" "Yes, they are my cars and you know they are. Give me my
cars and you know they are. Give me my key." And the look on his face just
key." And the look on his face just dropped. handed me this this bike key. I
dropped. handed me this this bike key. I was like, "See you later." So yeah, rich
was like, "See you later." So yeah, rich people don't have everything in their
people don't have everything in their name. So if you were to financially
name. So if you were to financially audit me now, technically I'm worth
audit me now, technically I'm worth zero. Don't own a thing. And I like it
zero. Don't own a thing. And I like it that way. But I am also very rich. Cuz
that way. But I am also very rich. Cuz it is my stuff at the end of the day.
it is my stuff at the end of the day. Yeah. And when was the first time in
Yeah. And when was the first time in your life you actually felt you rich?
your life you actually felt you rich? like what did you buy or where were you
like what did you buy or where were you when you were like yeah and this is
when you were like yeah and this is proper rich act you rich I remember
proper rich act you rich I remember feeling rich cuz I could do certain
feeling rich cuz I could do certain things buy certain things drive a
things buy certain things drive a certain car there's a clip that went
certain car there's a clip that went viral and I'll reference it where my
viral and I'll reference it where my brother and my cousin were in London and
brother and my cousin were in London and we were just we went for the most
we were just we went for the most expensive coffee in London that cat poo
expensive coffee in London that cat poo coffee totally overrated rubbish $50 a
coffee totally overrated rubbish $50 a cup and we're drinking this expensive
cup and we're drinking this expensive coffee and we're opposite a Rolls-Royce
coffee and we're opposite a Rolls-Royce garage and yeah, it must have been 5
garage and yeah, it must have been 5 years ago now. And we walked past and I
years ago now. And we walked past and I was like, I like that blue blue
was like, I like that blue blue Rolls-Royce. Looks nice. And Andrew was
Rolls-Royce. Looks nice. And Andrew was like, I don't really like Rolls-Royces.
like, I don't really like Rolls-Royces. And I was like, yeah, but I kind of like
And I was like, yeah, but I kind of like it. And we walked in and put it on the
it. And we walked in and put it on the debit card back when I had banks. Yeah.
debit card back when I had banks. Yeah. And uh drove it away the next day. And I
And uh drove it away the next day. And I was like, that's insane. That cost me
was like, that's insane. That cost me £500 and something,000. I don't even
£500 and something,000. I don't even remember the price. I just knew that
remember the price. I just knew that whatever that car costs, I can just get
whatever that car costs, I can just get it with money that's in my bank, let
it with money that's in my bank, let alone the wealth I have elsewhere.
alone the wealth I have elsewhere. That's when I first realized I was
That's when I first realized I was actually rich. Because a Rolls-Royce, if
actually rich. Because a Rolls-Royce, if you are, if you are a 50year-old man and
you are, if you are a 50year-old man and you have your house paid off and you
you have your house paid off and you drive a secondhand Rolls-Royce Wraith,
drive a secondhand Rolls-Royce Wraith, people in your neighborhood, especially
people in your neighborhood, especially where I'm from, will say, "That's a
where I'm from, will say, "That's a successful guy. That's a rich guy." So,
successful guy. That's a rich guy." So, for me at 31 years of age to just be, oh
for me at 31 years of age to just be, oh yeah, I want one. I already had 40 other
yeah, I want one. I already had 40 other cars by then and just buy one for no
cars by then and just buy one for no reason. The police held it for two and a
reason. The police held it for two and a half years. It's probably worth 200
half years. It's probably worth 200 grand now. Like the Rolls-Royce, but but
grand now. Like the Rolls-Royce, but but I don't really care. But that was the
I don't really care. But that was the first time that I realized that I I had
first time that I realized that I I had made it, I guess, because millionaire
made it, I guess, because millionaire used to be a big thing. I'm like, that's
used to be a big thing. I'm like, that's only two of these cars. Millionaire net
only two of these cars. Millionaire net worth. That's the first time I felt very
worth. That's the first time I felt very rich. Do you not value things less? Now
rich. Do you not value things less? Now you can just buy cars without even
you can just buy cars without even thinking about it. No, it's good because
thinking about it. No, it's good because my superpower is I never really valued
my superpower is I never really valued money that much. I was the guy who'd get
money that much. I was the guy who'd get paid £250 on a Thursday and on Friday if
paid £250 on a Thursday and on Friday if my friends were broke, I'd spend it all
my friends were broke, I'd spend it all on the weekend. Oh, I'll buy the drinks.
on the weekend. Oh, I'll buy the drinks. And then once my money was gone, it was
And then once my money was gone, it was like, okay, let me try and find a way to
like, okay, let me try and find a way to stay alive now. But I never really
stay alive now. But I never really cared. I was never that guy. I've always
cared. I was never that guy. I've always been relatively financially
been relatively financially irresponsible, which is a superpower if
irresponsible, which is a superpower if you're smart enough to wake up every
you're smart enough to wake up every morning thinking I need to earn more
morning thinking I need to earn more money. And my net worth only blew up
money. And my net worth only blew up once the amount of money I had coming in
once the amount of money I had coming in was greater than my spending habits of
was greater than my spending habits of buying everything I like. But I still
buying everything I like. But I still buy everything I like kind of now. I'm
buy everything I like kind of now. I'm still like I mean I just I had a meeting
still like I mean I just I had a meeting the other day and somebody told me that
the other day and somebody told me that they're opening Ralph Lauren Residences
they're opening Ralph Lauren Residences here in Dubai and they're going to start
here in Dubai and they're going to start building it. I'm like I want want one of
building it. I'm like I want want one of those. Like do do I really need to spend
those. Like do do I really need to spend $15 million on another apartment? I have
$15 million on another apartment? I have loads I have places to live but I just
loads I have places to live but I just want it so I might buy one. So it's uh
want it so I might buy one. So it's uh yeah it's tricky. I think my financial
yeah it's tricky. I think my financial irresponsibility has always numbed me to
irresponsibility has always numbed me to that because I've always seen money as
that because I've always seen money as just something that isn't that valuable.
just something that isn't that valuable. I'd rather have a good time with my
I'd rather have a good time with my friends than have money in my wallet.
friends than have money in my wallet. I'd rather live my life. And it's the
I'd rather live my life. And it's the same now. So, I mean, they say money
same now. So, I mean, they say money exaggerates your traits. So, you're just
exaggerates your traits. So, you're just doing the same thing when you were
doing the same thing when you were broke, but now you'reing rich.
broke, but now you'reing rich. Basically. Yeah. Basically, yeah. I was
Basically. Yeah. Basically, yeah. I was doing the exact same thing. If I wanted
doing the exact same thing. If I wanted something that was, you know, five grand
something that was, you know, five grand and Andrew and I famously bought our
and Andrew and I famously bought our first supercar. It was £60,000. We
first supercar. It was £60,000. We had60,0001
had60,0001 in our bank. Like, that was it. Well,
in our bank. Like, that was it. Well, didn't he spend all your money on a
didn't he spend all your money on a Hublo? Didn't he buy also? Yeah,
Hublo? Didn't he buy also? Yeah, exactly. We just never we just never
exactly. We just never we just never cared. And uh and it's fine if you make
cared. And uh and it's fine if you make it if you end up you know with your life
it if you end up you know with your life falling dangerous. You can look back and
falling dangerous. You can look back and be like ah you know cuz the truth of the
be like ah you know cuz the truth of the matter is when you when you the way I
matter is when you when you the way I think about things I don't know if you
think about things I don't know if you ever heard this before there is a set
ever heard this before there is a set amount of money that everybody is going
amount of money that everybody is going to make in their life. You are going to
to make in their life. You are going to make a finite number of pounds while
make a finite number of pounds while you're alive. That is it. So am I. So is
you're alive. That is it. So am I. So is Andrew. So is he so is the barman who
Andrew. So is he so is the barman who works here. there's a set number of
works here. there's a set number of pounds you're going to make. I want that
pounds you're going to make. I want that to be as high as possible. So, I'm not
to be as high as possible. So, I'm not trying to spread that around throughout
trying to spread that around throughout my life and compromising on enjoying
my life and compromising on enjoying myself. You know, a lot of people in the
myself. You know, a lot of people in the first world, the set amount of money
first world, the set amount of money they're going to make in their life may
they're going to make in their life may well only be a million pounds for a full
well only be a million pounds for a full life of work. Wow. And I'm like, can you
life of work. Wow. And I'm like, can you spend that on? Imagine you can't then
spend that on? Imagine you can't then spend 50 grand cuz when you're older or
spend 50 grand cuz when you're older or when you need something later you think,
when you need something later you think, "Oh, well that was you." You only have
"Oh, well that was you." You only have one shot at it, you know? So, you have
one shot at it, you know? So, you have to increase your income. Yeah. So, did
to increase your income. Yeah. So, did you buy your private jet, buy your
you buy your private jet, buy your yacht? You buy those, do you? No, I we
yacht? You buy those, do you? No, I we bought Andrew bought a plane once that
bought Andrew bought a plane once that we almost never used and sold. Didn't
we almost never used and sold. Didn't literally didn't. We We bought it. It
literally didn't. We We bought it. It was in Bookucharest. We drove to Spain.
was in Bookucharest. We drove to Spain. We needed to fly from Spain to England.
We needed to fly from Spain to England. Andrew probably told you this story.
Andrew probably told you this story. Then we had to find a crew to get on the
Then we had to find a crew to get on the plane and book a rest and pay for it to
plane and book a rest and pay for it to fly to Spain. I was like, "This is
fly to Spain. I was like, "This is stupid. Let's just charter a plane." And
stupid. Let's just charter a plane." And we never I will never own a private jet
we never I will never own a private jet again. They because of the ongoing
again. They because of the ongoing hassle of owning them. There's a use
hassle of owning them. There's a use case for it. If you need to be in, you
case for it. If you need to be in, you know, two different cities every day and
know, two different cities every day and you live in America, if you're Elon, if
you live in America, if you're Elon, if you're Trump, you know, good. I
you're Trump, you know, good. I completely get why you have one. I'll
completely get why you have one. I'll take a flight a month, maybe. Sometimes
take a flight a month, maybe. Sometimes two flights a month. What's the point?
two flights a month. What's the point? The yacht I did buy. It's under
The yacht I did buy. It's under construction right now. launches in 2027
construction right now. launches in 2027 at this rate. Right. And and why did you
at this rate. Right. And and why did you buy that? Because I feel like there's a
buy that? Because I feel like there's a lot more of a use case for a yacht than
lot more of a use case for a yacht than a plane. So I thought when I travel
a plane. So I thought when I travel around Europe, I'll rent a big villa in
around Europe, I'll rent a big villa in in Monaco. Then I'll rent a big v villa
in Monaco. Then I'll rent a big v villa in Marba. Then I'll rent a big villa in
in Marba. Then I'll rent a big villa in I don't know somewhere in Italy. Triest
I don't know somewhere in Italy. Triest then I'll rent a big villa in Corsica.
then I'll rent a big villa in Corsica. Rent a big villa in Turkey. If I want to
Rent a big villa in Turkey. If I want to do the Mediterranean, why not just have
do the Mediterranean, why not just have all my clothes, all my shoes, all my
all my clothes, all my shoes, all my stuff, all my cigarette lighters on my
stuff, all my cigarette lighters on my eightbedroom yachtigar and I'll just
eightbedroom yachtigar and I'll just live in the marina because I no longer
live in the marina because I no longer need to rent villas. So, I kind of
need to rent villas. So, I kind of justified it in my brain like, yeah, if
justified it in my brain like, yeah, if I'm doing the European summer, I can
I'm doing the European summer, I can just live on that boat. Captain, on
just live on that boat. Captain, on board of Marba, take me to Nice. Uh,
board of Marba, take me to Nice. Uh, take me to Can, sorry. And then off you
take me to Can, sorry. And then off you go. And then like 24 hours later, you
go. And then like 24 hours later, you wake up and you're in your new city.
wake up and you're in your new city. You're in the marina, one of the safest
You're in the marina, one of the safest places in any city in the world, and
places in any city in the world, and your house is there essentially. Yeah.
your house is there essentially. Yeah. Whereas a plane doesn't work that way.
Whereas a plane doesn't work that way. So, the yacht I'm I think I'm going to
So, the yacht I'm I think I'm going to really enjoy. And is it true you're
really enjoy. And is it true you're planning on building a Tate Tower here
planning on building a Tate Tower here in Dubai? Talks are ongoing
in Dubai? Talks are ongoing and it very well could happen. That's
and it very well could happen. That's what I'll say. Can you say anymore? I
what I'll say. Can you say anymore? I cannot say who I'm speaking to. I don't
cannot say who I'm speaking to. I don't don't need to know that. But the towers,
don't need to know that. But the towers, what's the plan for it? Can you share
what's the plan for it? Can you share the vision? Why?
the vision? Why? I could say that the towers have already
I could say that the towers have already been approved for construction, but it's
been approved for construction, but it's all about
all about branding deals. So, let's say there's a
branding deals. So, let's say there's a tower that I own a property in. It's
tower that I own a property in. It's built by a man named uh Muhammad
built by a man named uh Muhammad Benghati. The Benghi family are very big
Benghati. The Benghi family are very big property developers over here. It's
property developers over here. It's called the Jacob and Co. Tower. So,
called the Jacob and Co. Tower. So, Jacob and Co. Jacob is a famous jeweler
Jacob and Co. Jacob is a famous jeweler who makes watches. Everyone knows he
who makes watches. Everyone knows he makes watches and custom jewelry pieces.
makes watches and custom jewelry pieces. So, they have this tower being built
So, they have this tower being built that looks like a giant jeweled crown on
that looks like a giant jeweled crown on top. All the interiors are designed in
top. All the interiors are designed in the Jacob and Co kind of style and kind
the Jacob and Co kind of style and kind of way. But obviously that's a man
of way. But obviously that's a man building a tower. The Benati family
building a tower. The Benati family who's very smart taking Jacob's vision
who's very smart taking Jacob's vision for his brand collaborating and branding
for his brand collaborating and branding the tower as the Jacob and Co tower and
the tower as the Jacob and Co tower and you know J full respect to Jacob and Co
you know J full respect to Jacob and Co as a company but they're not actually
as a company but they're not actually building the tower of course. It's a
building the tower of course. It's a branding deal. Yeah, Dubai is getting to
branding deal. Yeah, Dubai is getting to the point where new concepts are hard to
the point where new concepts are hard to think of of things to do here. They're
think of of things to do here. They're building the the DACA lagoons. That
building the the DACA lagoons. That looks epic. They're recreating places
looks epic. They're recreating places like Venice and and uh Marba here in
like Venice and and uh Marba here in Dubai. That's going to be incredible.
Dubai. That's going to be incredible. But branded deals are what they're
But branded deals are what they're looking for. And there are people smart
looking for. And there are people smart enough and brave enough in this country
enough and brave enough in this country who I think may well roll the dice on
who I think may well roll the dice on the next project that they're building.
the next project that they're building. foundations have already been laid.
foundations have already been laid. That's already been approved as the Tate
That's already been approved as the Tate Tower. Yeah. And if that happens, I'll
Tower. Yeah. And if that happens, I'll be incredibly
be incredibly happy and proud of myself because I've
happy and proud of myself because I've built a brand strong enough just like
built a brand strong enough just like Jacob from Jacob and Co. did that
Jacob from Jacob and Co. did that somebody that serious wishes to put my
somebody that serious wishes to put my name and my logo on the tower. So that
name and my logo on the tower. So that is it's it's a very real possibility.
is it's it's a very real possibility. Yes. As we speak right now, it very well
Yes. As we speak right now, it very well could happen. Do you allow yourself to
could happen. Do you allow yourself to get excited about that? No. No. No. I
get excited about that? No. No. No. I don't I don't allow myself to get
don't I don't allow myself to get excited about much. It's it's if it
excited about much. It's it's if it happens, good. I'm quite happy every
happens, good. I'm quite happy every day. Like it when I was on house arrest,
day. Like it when I was on house arrest, everyone was like, "Oh, how's house
everyone was like, "Oh, how's house arrest?" I'm like, "Wake up, gym, lay
arrest?" I'm like, "Wake up, gym, lay out by the pool in the sun, work on my
out by the pool in the sun, work on my laptop, girlfriend comes over. You
laptop, girlfriend comes over. You life's fine." And it's like, "Well, what
life's fine." And it's like, "Well, what are you going to do when you're free?"
are you going to do when you're free?" I'm like, "I don't think about that. I
I'm like, "I don't think about that. I don't think about, oh, can't wait to do
don't think about, oh, can't wait to do this. Can't wait to do that." I don't
this. Can't wait to do that." I don't get excited about the future. I plan the
get excited about the future. I plan the future and things will either work out
future and things will either work out or they won't. Yeah. But in my case,
or they won't. Yeah. But in my case, they tend to work out. So, you may be
they tend to work out. So, you may be watching this in a year's time and there
watching this in a year's time and there may be, you know, people might be
may be, you know, people might be posting photos of the now under
posting photos of the now under construction take tower in the comments,
construction take tower in the comments, but we're not talking to one tower.
but we're not talking to one tower. We're talking to four.
We're talking to four. So, increases my odds.
So, increases my odds. Do you think you're quite happy spending
Do you think you're quite happy spending big money because you have a recurring
big money because you have a recurring incomebased business model? Absolutely.
incomebased business model? Absolutely. Absolutely. If I had up to this point in
Absolutely. If I had up to this point in my life never made any money and I'd won
my life never made any money and I'd won a $5 million scratch card, for example,
a $5 million scratch card, for example, I wouldn't do what I do now. No, because
I wouldn't do what I do now. No, because you wouldn't lose it all and you're not
you wouldn't lose it all and you're not getting lo and you're not getting it
getting lo and you're not getting it back. No, you need to build uh a brand,
back. No, you need to build uh a brand, a life, a company, a business. You need
a life, a company, a business. You need to build something that puts new money
to build something that puts new money into your bank every month. You
into your bank every month. You absolutely have to. And was that an
absolutely have to. And was that an intentional thing behind the real world?
intentional thing behind the real world? Is is, by the way, is the real world and
Is is, by the way, is the real world and university.com. Is it the same thing? It
university.com. Is it the same thing? It is. No, it's the same thing, but but
is. No, it's the same thing, but but branded differently. Um, yeah. Was that
branded differently. Um, yeah. Was that an intentional move? Oh, absolutely. I
an intentional move? Oh, absolutely. I mean, the the real world they started
mean, the the real world they started cuz you could run big events. You could
cuz you could run big events. You could fill stadiums and you could run big
fill stadiums and you could run big events and I'm probably going to, but
events and I'm probably going to, but I think that if you are serious about
I think that if you are serious about getting rich and serious about making
getting rich and serious about making money, unless you're a criminal, you're
money, unless you're a criminal, you're looking for a way to make a business
looking for a way to make a business that pays you constantly. I think that's
that pays you constantly. I think that's really the only way to do it. Unless
really the only way to do it. Unless you're a gambler or as I said a criminal
you're a gambler or as I said a criminal who wants to go rob a bank, very few
who wants to go rob a bank, very few smart people who want to increase their
smart people who want to increase their net worth and increase their wealth
net worth and increase their wealth think I'm going to do this one thing
think I'm going to do this one thing once it's going to make me that much
once it's going to make me that much money and I'm done. Yeah. So, I think
money and I'm done. Yeah. So, I think it's just a natural it's just a natural
it's just a natural it's just a natural way things play out. If you're serious
way things play out. If you're serious about earning money, you end up with
about earning money, you end up with companies and owning shares and stocks
companies and owning shares and stocks and it's all paying you dividends and
and it's all paying you dividends and money and you're like, "Oh, okay. Well,
money and you're like, "Oh, okay. Well, now I have money coming into my bank
now I have money coming into my bank every month." Yeah. But you have Yes, I
every month." Yeah. But you have Yes, I I I understand that. But there are many
I I understand that. But there are many business models that there is no
business models that there is no guarantee of any money next month. Yeah.
guarantee of any money next month. Yeah. And yours there is because you have
And yours there is because you have contracts. That is true. You have people
contracts. That is true. You have people who are paying monthly. Yes. You have
who are paying monthly. Yes. You have hundreds of I don't know the numbers.
hundreds of I don't know the numbers. Maybe you could help us. But hundreds of
Maybe you could help us. But hundreds of thousands of people I assume. Hundreds
thousands of people I assume. Hundreds of thousands. And you know you'll know
of thousands. And you know you'll know the lifetime client value of each one of
the lifetime client value of each one of those on average. So you know you get
those on average. So you know you get one new member. They might be there
one new member. They might be there three years. You've essentially got a
three years. You've essentially got a threeyear guaranteed income contract.
threeyear guaranteed income contract. Well kind of from a personal
Well kind of from a personal perspective. Business is also about
perspective. Business is also about self-improvement. Two years ago, there
self-improvement. Two years ago, there was no AI campus inside of the school.
was no AI campus inside of the school. Why would there be? People had only just
Why would there be? People had only just heard of the concept. The work we put in
heard of the concept. The work we put in to continuously
to continuously honing our product and making sure it's
honing our product and making sure it's cutting edge and upto-date is a
cutting edge and upto-date is a continuous thing. So, you could look at
continuous thing. So, you could look at it and say he's going to use the product
it and say he's going to use the product for a year. So, it's not $49 you're
for a year. So, it's not $49 you're getting from him. you're getting almost
getting from him. you're getting almost $600 from this from this uh subscriber,
$600 from this from this uh subscriber, for example, for this student who
for example, for this student who studies inside of the real world. I
studies inside of the real world. I don't look at it that way. I think,
don't look at it that way. I think, okay, he signed up, I've got his $49.
okay, he signed up, I've got his $49. He needs to be getting value out of this
He needs to be getting value out of this so he doesn't leave. So, I'm putting in
so he doesn't leave. So, I'm putting in the work every day anyway, and that's
the work every day anyway, and that's how I keep him for a year. That's no
how I keep him for a year. That's no different to the contractor who needs a
different to the contractor who needs a new construction site to work on, going
new construction site to work on, going around and pitching his services as a
around and pitching his services as a brick layer. I'm still trying to sell
brick layer. I'm still trying to sell the product even to the people who have
the product even to the people who have already bought it to retain my students
already bought it to retain my students which is why it's such a fantastic
which is why it's such a fantastic product as well. M so you could look at
product as well. M so you could look at it one way or the other, but it's not
it one way or the other, but it's not like um
like um it's not like it's not a simple product
it's not like it's not a simple product like let's say a VPN service where they
like let's say a VPN service where they subscribe, they use it every single
subscribe, they use it every single month or YouTube Premium. It has its
month or YouTube Premium. It has its features, they subscribe, get the same
features, they subscribe, get the same features every month. It's constant work
features every month. It's constant work to keep the product cutting edge. So
to keep the product cutting edge. So yeah, you could see it one way or the
yeah, you could see it one way or the other. But I'm constantly trying to make
other. But I'm constantly trying to make sure my students are happy. Yeah, I've
sure my students are happy. Yeah, I've been an entrepreneur for 20 years. In
been an entrepreneur for 20 years. In fact, I don't know if you remember, but
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Tristan, how do you sell anything to anyone? Well, you don't sell anything to
anyone? Well, you don't sell anything to anyone. I think that you have to have
anyone. I think that you have to have something you believe in or something
something you believe in or something that is credible. Who was the British
that is credible. Who was the British businessman 30 years ago when completely
businessman 30 years ago when completely bust cuz he said at a business
bust cuz he said at a business conference that he sells crap to people?
conference that he sells crap to people? My friend Gerald Ratner. Yeah. So, um,
My friend Gerald Ratner. Yeah. So, um, God bless him, but he knew he was
God bless him, but he knew he was selling crap and it didn't last forever
selling crap and it didn't last forever because he he he used those words. I
because he he he used those words. I believe you sell complete shite, I think
believe you sell complete shite, I think was his exact words. And, uh, you know,
was his exact words. And, uh, you know, people will buy complete shite, but it
people will buy complete shite, but it all depends on how seriously you want
all depends on how seriously you want your brand to be taken. You know, I
your brand to be taken. You know, I could, saying no names, sell a poisonous
could, saying no names, sell a poisonous sugary drink and walk around with a can
sugary drink and walk around with a can of it everywhere I go. But, um, I I
of it everywhere I go. But, um, I I don't want to do that. I want to sell
don't want to do that. I want to sell things that I believe in. So, it's very
things that I believe in. So, it's very easy for me because I only sell things I
easy for me because I only sell things I believe in. Even with the new tequila
believe in. Even with the new tequila brand I just launched, the uh the team
brand I just launched, the uh the team I'm working with, I made them fly to
I'm working with, I made them fly to Mexico and back four times to my house
Mexico and back four times to my house in Romania where I was arrested and I
in Romania where I was arrested and I was like, "No, I'm not happy with this.
was like, "No, I'm not happy with this. Back to Mexico. I won't sell anything
Back to Mexico. I won't sell anything that I don't believe in." So, I am a
that I don't believe in." So, I am a good salesman. I can do the whole sell
good salesman. I can do the whole sell me this coffee, sell me this pen, sell
me this coffee, sell me this pen, sell me this. I can I can do that. But this
me this. I can I can do that. But this coffee is actually, to be fair, pretty
coffee is actually, to be fair, pretty good. M do you want to buy some? I'm
good. M do you want to buy some? I'm joking. But I I could I could I could do
joking. But I I could I could I could do that nonsense. But yeah, I don't think
that nonsense. But yeah, I don't think you can sell anything to anyone. And
you can sell anything to anyone. And there are different types of sales and
there are different types of sales and different people are good at different
different people are good at different things. It sounds like such a copout.
things. It sounds like such a copout. You know, some people are very good hard
You know, some people are very good hard closers. Some people make fantastic car
closers. Some people make fantastic car salesman. Yeah. It has to be something
salesman. Yeah. It has to be something you like and that you you've got a a
you like and that you you've got a a vested interest in in people using and
vested interest in in people using and enjoying. I think that's the cornerstone
enjoying. I think that's the cornerstone of any successful sales career. But even
of any successful sales career. But even if you have something that you believe
if you have something that you believe in, the world might not know about it.
in, the world might not know about it. You got to get it out there to the
You got to get it out there to the world. Yes, that's very true. That's
world. Yes, that's very true. That's very true. You were you in you were in
very true. You were you in you were in you did some advertising selling I
you did some advertising selling I believe TV advertising. I did windows
believe TV advertising. I did windows like like most young men from Luton.
like like most young men from Luton. Perfect. Yeah. They cycle through every
Perfect. Yeah. They cycle through every young man in the whole town angly
young man in the whole town angly windows and they see who could sell and
windows and they see who could sell and who can't. I was very good. Some of our
who can't. I was very good. Some of our best young lads came from double
best young lads came from double glazing. There is no harder job than
glazing. There is no harder job than having no money in your pocket, no money
having no money in your pocket, no money for petrol, and walking around knocking
for petrol, and walking around knocking on doors, hoping that someone who
on doors, hoping that someone who already has windows
already has windows and doors is going to buy windows and
and doors is going to buy windows and doors. And knowing that if you don't get
doors. And knowing that if you don't get someone to give you a check with a
someone to give you a check with a deposit and go back to the office with
deposit and go back to the office with it that you you're getting paid zero for
it that you you're getting paid zero for your day, it creates uh yeah, it builds
your day, it creates uh yeah, it builds character. And that was my introduction
character. And that was my introduction into sales. And I moved on to telephone
into sales. And I moved on to telephone sales, which is a lot more comfortable.
sales, which is a lot more comfortable. Is telephone sales dying? It must still
Is telephone sales dying? It must still exist in some ways. We still do it a
exist in some ways. We still do it a lot. We're using AI agents for the sort
lot. We're using AI agents for the sort of the less warm leads. Yes. And people
of the less warm leads. Yes. And people are responding less on the phone, but
are responding less on the phone, but it's still a thing for now. Yeah, for
it's still a thing for now. Yeah, for now it's still a thing. But I I went
now it's still a thing. But I I went from selling uh Windows television
from selling uh Windows television advertising was my thing. I was selling
advertising was my thing. I was selling TV advertising, which you can't sell
TV advertising, which you can't sell today cuz besides massive blue chip
today cuz besides massive blue chip companies, who who buys it? I mean, if
companies, who who buys it? I mean, if if you're a a business and you've got
if you're a a business and you've got £50,000 in your budget, you're not going
£50,000 in your budget, you're not going to allocate 25,000 of of those pounds to
to allocate 25,000 of of those pounds to get a TV ad. Back in the day, you could
get a TV ad. Back in the day, you could sell them one on the effectiveness of
sell them one on the effectiveness of it, and you could also sell them on the
it, and you could also sell them on the on the the feeling of accomplishment you
on the the feeling of accomplishment you get from it. You know, people would get
get from it. You know, people would get their little schedule with all the times
their little schedule with all the times their advert's going to show, get their
their advert's going to show, get their family, sit around the TV, hey, look,
family, sit around the TV, hey, look, there's the advert, and they'd really
there's the advert, and they'd really enjoy it. So, you could you could sell
enjoy it. So, you could you could sell it in in lots of different ways. You
it in in lots of different ways. You couldn't sell TV advertising nowadays.
couldn't sell TV advertising nowadays. the best viral commercials that are
the best viral commercials that are created. I mean, I just created an
created. I mean, I just created an advert for my uh Talis Man Tequila that
advert for my uh Talis Man Tequila that was filmed right here. I filmed another
was filmed right here. I filmed another one upstairs that's gonna go live before
one upstairs that's gonna go live before this podcast goes out. Yeah, that that's
this podcast goes out. Yeah, that that's that's a cameraman and and just me
that's a cameraman and and just me talking and it can go on the internet
talking and it can go on the internet and get millions, tens of millions,
and get millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of views. To buy
hundreds of millions of views. To buy that on TV would cost you a pretty
that on TV would cost you a pretty penny. So, TV advertising is dead. But
penny. So, TV advertising is dead. But yeah, I miss I miss those days. And what
yeah, I miss I miss those days. And what did you learn knocking on doors selling
did you learn knocking on doors selling windows? Get back behind the fence if a
windows? Get back behind the fence if a dog's barking.
dog's barking. I got bit by a dog once. Um, I found out
I got bit by a dog once. Um, I found out how lonely some housewives were, if you
how lonely some housewives were, if you know what I'm saying. You know, young
know what I'm saying. You know, young strapping lad, 20 years of age, had a
strapping lad, 20 years of age, had a six-pack back then. You know, some some
six-pack back then. You know, some some rich guy's off at home. He's got this
rich guy's off at home. He's got this 32-year-old wife at home. That's that
32-year-old wife at home. That's that happened twice. Uh, you're asking what I
happened twice. Uh, you're asking what I learned saleswise. These are important
learned saleswise. These are important life lessons, you know.
Oh, Jesus. Um, yeah. All true. Uh, what did I learn saleswise?
did I learn saleswise? You know, one of my greatest powers, cuz
You know, one of my greatest powers, cuz I wasn't a hard closer. I was not a hard
I wasn't a hard closer. I was not a hard closer at all. I would sell on the idea
closer at all. I would sell on the idea that I'm not a commissionon salesperson
that I'm not a commissionon salesperson and I was kind of willing to walk away
and I was kind of willing to walk away and I would just give people the best
and I would just give people the best price I could do. By the way, if you're
price I could do. By the way, if you're buying windows from someone that knocks
buying windows from someone that knocks on your door, take that price he first
on your door, take that price he first gives you and cut it in half and that's
gives you and cut it in half and that's what he can do it for. By the way,
what he can do it for. By the way, industry secret. And I just gave people
industry secret. And I just gave people good prices. I didn't try to scalp
good prices. I didn't try to scalp people. I was always very honest. They
people. I was always very honest. They were like, "What's the best price you
were like, "What's the best price you could do it for? I know your game." And
could do it for? I know your game." And I said, "This is the best price I could
I said, "This is the best price I could do it for, and that is actually it." And
do it for, and that is actually it." And I give them a really great price where
I give them a really great price where I'd make £75 for selling a a set of
I'd make £75 for selling a a set of windows or a door. And I go home with my
windows or a door. And I go home with my £75, and I was quite happy. I was um
£75, and I was quite happy. I was um yeah, I think I was a very honest
yeah, I think I was a very honest salesman. Uh I never tried to pressure
salesman. Uh I never tried to pressure people. I wasn't the guy who you had to
people. I wasn't the guy who you had to ask to leave twice. And um yeah, I
ask to leave twice. And um yeah, I learned how much coffee I could drink as
learned how much coffee I could drink as well because they everyone wants to make
well because they everyone wants to make you a cup of tea or coffee when they sit
you a cup of tea or coffee when they sit down with you. And how did you evolve
down with you. And how did you evolve out of the webcam business and and into
out of the webcam business and and into now your what some people will call
now your what some people will call legitimate businesses or you know the
legitimate businesses or you know the real world? I'll defend myself for one
real world? I'll defend myself for one second. Sure. Did you know that 6% of
second. Sure. Did you know that 6% of Romania's GDP paid in taxes is paid from
Romania's GDP paid in taxes is paid from webcamming services? No. Well, that is a
webcamming services? No. Well, that is a statistical fact that you can all look
statistical fact that you can all look up at home right now. The webcam
up at home right now. The webcam business is big in any country that has
business is big in any country that has beautiful women and low salaries. Now,
beautiful women and low salaries. Now, it's been overwhelmingly
it's been overwhelmingly uh taken over, I guess, where Eastern
uh taken over, I guess, where Eastern Europe was very poor. So, in the late
Europe was very poor. So, in the late 1990s, early 2000s when this technology
1990s, early 2000s when this technology came about that it was very big over
came about that it was very big over there. It's dying. South America's
there. It's dying. South America's picking it up. Vietnam's picking it up.
picking it up. Vietnam's picking it up. countries that are now getting fast
countries that are now getting fast internet and have beautiful women who
internet and have beautiful women who don't want to work for 100 bucks a day
don't want to work for 100 bucks a day are on the internet getting their tits
are on the internet getting their tits out for money. It's a legitimate
out for money. It's a legitimate business. Is it a moral business? I
business. Is it a moral business? I don't know. Probably not. But it's very
don't know. Probably not. But it's very legitimate and it pays 6% of Romania's
legitimate and it pays 6% of Romania's GDP. So me with my few webcam girls,
GDP. So me with my few webcam girls, none of which were Romanian by the way.
none of which were Romanian by the way. They were all British. I certainly
They were all British. I certainly wasn't the webcam king of book arrest
wasn't the webcam king of book arrest with my women broadcasting them online.
with my women broadcasting them online. It wasn't a revolutionary idea. I was
It wasn't a revolutionary idea. I was just doing what what hundreds of
just doing what what hundreds of thousands of other people in that
thousands of other people in that country were doing at the time back when
country were doing at the time back when I was doing it. So yeah, it it was very
I was doing it. So yeah, it it was very legitimate. I think that we understood
legitimate. I think that we understood very well even from being in that
very well even from being in that industry that attention
industry that attention can always be translated into money.
can always be translated into money. It's an intention economy. Andrew gives
It's an intention economy. Andrew gives the example about, you know, having the
the example about, you know, having the best coffee in the world. You got the
best coffee in the world. You got the best coffee in the world, but no one
best coffee in the world, but no one knows who you are. It doesn't matter. If
knows who you are. It doesn't matter. If Andrew Tate wants to sell a coffee, he's
Andrew Tate wants to sell a coffee, he's going to have a big business and you're
going to have a big business and you're not cuz it's attention. It's how many
not cuz it's attention. It's how many people pay attention to things. And
people pay attention to things. And that's something we learned, you know,
that's something we learned, you know, running these webcam models back in the
running these webcam models back in the day. So, I realized even in this
day. So, I realized even in this previous industry that it was an
previous industry that it was an attention economy even in what I was
attention economy even in what I was doing. And the same can be said with,
doing. And the same can be said with, you know, most businesses even at the
you know, most businesses even at the time. is the reason why anyone bought
time. is the reason why anyone bought television advertising. So, Andrew and I
television advertising. So, Andrew and I started documenting our lives and we
started documenting our lives and we didn't quite understand because we had a
didn't quite understand because we had a narrower worldview and social media had
narrower worldview and social media had only just started to become such a
only just started to become such a popular thing. When we were documenting
popular thing. When we were documenting our lives, we realized how unusual our
our lives, we realized how unusual our lives were. I mean, we were making
lives were. I mean, we were making decent enough money. We had a
decent enough money. We had a Lamborghini. We lived in this house with
Lamborghini. We lived in this house with all these women and people wanted to
all these women and people wanted to watch our content. And then people
watch our content. And then people wanted to hear how we got there. And
wanted to hear how we got there. And then we'd speak more on the internet
then we'd speak more on the internet about our life story and how we got to
about our life story and how we got to where we were. And people were always
where we were. And people were always very interested in our story. And at the
very interested in our story. And at the time before, you know, vlogging was big
time before, you know, vlogging was big and before the Instagram was big, it was
and before the Instagram was big, it was I guess we were taken back slightly by
I guess we were taken back slightly by just how interested people were in what
just how interested people were in what we had to say and our view of the world
we had to say and our view of the world and our view of many things, dating,
and our view of many things, dating, relationships. I spoke a lot about that
relationships. I spoke a lot about that in the past and my opinions back then
in the past and my opinions back then when I was 20 how old 25 are different
when I was 20 how old 25 are different to my opinions now because men grow up
to my opinions now because men grow up and men change. They haven't all changed
and men change. They haven't all changed my opinions but you know I've certainly
my opinions but you know I've certainly evolved as a human being. M
evolved as a human being. M and when we started realizing that
and when we started realizing that everyone wanted to hear what we had to
everyone wanted to hear what we had to say,
say, we
we I guess were blown away by how
I guess were blown away by how uninteresting almost everybody was,
uninteresting almost everybody was, which was the inspiration originally
which was the inspiration originally behind the war room of which you are a
behind the war room of which you are a member.
member. Because we were like, where is everybody
Because we were like, where is everybody else who's interesting, who made money,
else who's interesting, who made money, who has an interesting life, where is
who has an interesting life, where is everybody else? does everyone's life
everybody else? does everyone's life suck this much? So, we created our own,
suck this much? So, we created our own, I guess, community of like-minded
I guess, community of like-minded people. And it just spiraled up from
people. And it just spiraled up from there. We've managed to use our
there. We've managed to use our attention to fill a very big gap in the
attention to fill a very big gap in the market with with University.com, the
market with with University.com, the real world, in terms of when I was young
real world, in terms of when I was young and when I was knocking on doors selling
and when I was knocking on doors selling windows, I had to just wing it. There
windows, I had to just wing it. There was no sales master who would teach me
was no sales master who would teach me how to sell for 50 bucks a month. There
how to sell for 50 bucks a month. There was no e-commerce master to teach me how
was no e-commerce master to teach me how to run an e-commerce store for 50 bucks
to run an e-commerce store for 50 bucks a month. Even fitness, health, a lot of
a month. Even fitness, health, a lot of people don't have these people to look
people don't have these people to look up to. Uh so we created university.com
up to. Uh so we created university.com hope hoping I guessing it would get 10
hope hoping I guessing it would get 10 to 20,000 students. 10 to 20,000. And it
to 20,000 students. 10 to 20,000. And it the need for it, just like with our
the need for it, just like with our original content and the desire to
original content and the desire to participate in it was a lot larger than
participate in it was a lot larger than we initially thought and initially
we initially thought and initially anticipated because people out there in
anticipated because people out there in the world are looking for answers to
the world are looking for answers to problems. And with the attention we had
problems. And with the attention we had on us, we thought we could build an
on us, we thought we could build an ecosystem where we could solve some of
ecosystem where we could solve some of them. M and our podcasts are I mean they
them. M and our podcasts are I mean they don't make me any money but I like doing
don't make me any money but I like doing them because I know people are
them because I know people are interested in in what I have to say for
interested in in what I have to say for for whatever reason you know even people
for whatever reason you know even people who can't stand me and Andrew when they
who can't stand me and Andrew when they talk about the real world or
talk about the real world or university.com I always give the same
university.com I always give the same example I say do you think Andrew is a
example I say do you think Andrew is a good internet marketer let even if you
good internet marketer let even if you hate him you have to say yes arguably
hate him you have to say yes arguably he's the best in the world so if we
he's the best in the world so if we teach internet marketing inside of my
teach internet marketing inside of my school and all of the techniques Andrew
school and all of the techniques Andrew uses are in then surely it's worth the
uses are in then surely it's worth the price you pay because you're learning
price you pay because you're learning internet marketing on top of everything
internet marketing on top of everything else from arguably the world's greatest
else from arguably the world's greatest internet marketer that there's ever been
internet marketer that there's ever been since the dawn of the internet. So yeah,
since the dawn of the internet. So yeah, it it was a very slow progression. There
it it was a very slow progression. There was no real eureka moments in it. It was
was no real eureka moments in it. It was just dayto-day and then you look back at
just dayto-day and then you look back at all the progress you've made and you're
all the progress you've made and you're like, "Wow, I built quite a quite an
like, "Wow, I built quite a quite an empire here." M but it was certainly one
empire here." M but it was certainly one of the motivations for I guess closing
of the motivations for I guess closing down the the webcam business. It was all
down the the webcam business. It was all well and good when we ran it. You know,
well and good when we ran it. You know, now that's been taken over by, you know,
now that's been taken over by, you know, the owner of Only Fans and all these
the owner of Only Fans and all these millions of Only Fans agencies all over
millions of Only Fans agencies all over the world, by the way, which get no
the world, by the way, which get no charges and no flak against them. But
charges and no flak against them. But I'm the bad guy for running my small
I'm the bad guy for running my small webcam studio back in the day. Um yeah,
webcam studio back in the day. Um yeah, that industry may well be dying. I don't
that industry may well be dying. I don't know because I'm not involved in it
know because I'm not involved in it anymore. But
anymore. But yeah, it was just I guess a slow
yeah, it was just I guess a slow progression. But I guess the webcamming
progression. But I guess the webcamming world and why I don't regret ever
world and why I don't regret ever running that business is because it was
running that business is because it was very much behind a curtain. Nobody knew
very much behind a curtain. Nobody knew how it worked. You know, we said like,
how it worked. You know, we said like, "Oh, we had teams of people doing the
"Oh, we had teams of people doing the replies and stuff and the model on
replies and stuff and the model on camera was just following instructions
camera was just following instructions and banging on a fake keyboard." And
and banging on a fake keyboard." And everyone was like, "Oh my god, the tapes
everyone was like, "Oh my god, the tapes are scamming people." I'm like, "No, I'm
are scamming people." I'm like, "No, I'm telling you how the whole industry
telling you how the whole industry works. talk to a webcam model in Vietnam
works. talk to a webcam model in Vietnam today. She probably doesn't speak
today. She probably doesn't speak English besides, "Hi, baby. How are
English besides, "Hi, baby. How are you?" And someone else is typing to you.
you?" And someone else is typing to you. I just kind of shone the light on it
I just kind of shone the light on it more than anyone else ever had up until
more than anyone else ever had up until that point, which garnered us so much
that point, which garnered us so much interest in our life story and and and
interest in our life story and and and so much attention that I I don't regret
so much attention that I I don't regret doing it. And it also taught me a lot of
doing it. And it also taught me a lot of lessons about life, about men, about
lessons about life, about men, about addiction, about desperation that I
addiction, about desperation that I couldn't have seen elsewhere. So yeah,
couldn't have seen elsewhere. So yeah, it was a fun business to run, but the
it was a fun business to run, but the the progression, the answer to your
the progression, the answer to your question was very slow and very natural.
question was very slow and very natural. So something that's come up a few times
So something that's come up a few times is it it sounds like it's a powerful
is it it sounds like it's a powerful position in life to be able to walk away
position in life to be able to walk away from anything. I.e. that's the opposite
from anything. I.e. that's the opposite of desperation. It is. And um I've I've
of desperation. It is. And um I've I've said before a superpower in life is the
said before a superpower in life is the ability to say no to things and the
ability to say no to things and the willingness to say no to things. There's
willingness to say no to things. There's a story that I told you just before this
a story that I told you just before this podcast that I can't repeat here, which
podcast that I can't repeat here, which I won't push. Yeah. Which you won't
I won't push. Yeah. Which you won't push. But I am really that guy. I'm
push. But I am really that guy. I'm willing to say no. Even if you really
willing to say no. Even if you really want it. Even if I really want it. Even
want it. Even if I really want it. Even if you really really want it. Really?
if you really really want it. Really? Really? You'll just still say no to just
Really? You'll just still say no to just about anything. The sponsorship deal we
about anything. The sponsorship deal we were offered before uh we got arrested
were offered before uh we got arrested that had the terms and conditions in our
that had the terms and conditions in our contract. How much was that deal worth?
contract. How much was that deal worth? $50 million US. So you got offered 50
$50 million US. So you got offered 50 million. Yeah. to basically stop saying
million. Yeah. to basically stop saying well I mean tell me about it I'll say
well I mean tell me about it I'll say right now
right now do not mention or change your positions
do not mention or change your positions on the conflict in Ukraine I can't
on the conflict in Ukraine I can't change my position I used to have a
change my position I used to have a business in that country I live next to
business in that country I live next to that country I've been to that country
that country I've been to that country lots of times I know what's been going
lots of times I know what's been going on there since 2014 I can't change my
on there since 2014 I can't change my position um change my opinions on LGBTQ
position um change my opinions on LGBTQ transgenderism
transgenderism uh the the conflict in the Middle East
uh the the conflict in the Middle East between Israel Palestine to reverse my
between Israel Palestine to reverse my position on that this was in the
position on that this was in the contract of sponsorship deal basically.
contract of sponsorship deal basically. Yeah. Do you think that was a legitimate
Yeah. Do you think that was a legitimate sponsorship deal or do you think that
sponsorship deal or do you think that come from a higher place? No. No. It's
come from a higher place? No. No. It's bull that that wants to control loud
bull that that wants to control loud voices. Let's say the brand was the
voices. Let's say the brand was the brand wasn't. But let's say the brand
brand wasn't. But let's say the brand was Pepsi. It wasn't. Pepsi didn't want
was Pepsi. It wasn't. Pepsi didn't want me to say drink Pepsi. Somebody wanted
me to say drink Pepsi. Somebody wanted to be giving me enough money that they
to be giving me enough money that they could be the boss of me. And I wanted
could be the boss of me. And I wanted that $50 million. So yeah, I'm willing
that $50 million. So yeah, I'm willing to walk away from just about anything,
to walk away from just about anything, which is my superpower. And I think
which is my superpower. And I think that's one of the reasons they put us in
that's one of the reasons they put us in jail as well cuz even right now here I
jail as well cuz even right now here I still am saying anything I like with no
still am saying anything I like with no boss. So yeah, it's great. And how did
boss. So yeah, it's great. And how did you stay unbreakable through the whole
you stay unbreakable through the whole time when you've been silenced and
time when you've been silenced and cancelled and arrested? How did you stay
cancelled and arrested? How did you stay um strong? Well, what option do you
um strong? Well, what option do you have? If if you you either remain
have? If if you you either remain unbreakable or you end up broken, that's
unbreakable or you end up broken, that's not an option for me and Andrew. You
not an option for me and Andrew. You could sentence me to 10 years in jail
could sentence me to 10 years in jail right now. I'll come out. I'll jump on a
right now. I'll come out. I'll jump on a podcast and I'll run my mouth. I I like
podcast and I'll run my mouth. I I like it's it's giving up and quitting. Maybe
it's it's giving up and quitting. Maybe it's the fighter mentality. Maybe it's
it's the fighter mentality. Maybe it's just our relentless ambition that we I
just our relentless ambition that we I guess that was fostered in us from
guess that was fostered in us from growing up in a life of poverty. I don't
growing up in a life of poverty. I don't know exactly what it is, but Andrew and
know exactly what it is, but Andrew and I are actually unbreakable. And we were
I are actually unbreakable. And we were running our mouth about this before
running our mouth about this before these massive tests hit us. And I'm glad
these massive tests hit us. And I'm glad I got the chance to prove myself to the
I got the chance to prove myself to the world and to back my word up by by by
world and to back my word up by by by showing the world that I am who I said I
showing the world that I am who I said I was the entire time. I mean, you think
was the entire time. I mean, you think when I got out of jail, I didn't have
when I got out of jail, I didn't have teams of lawyers saying, "Just be quiet.
teams of lawyers saying, "Just be quiet. Let's let's deal with this in the
Let's let's deal with this in the courts. Don't talk about it." I'm on the
courts. Don't talk about it." I'm on the Romanian news calling out their
Romanian news calling out their institutions, naming prosecutors by
institutions, naming prosecutors by name, throwing the word corrupt around,
name, throwing the word corrupt around, talking about all the problems within
talking about all the problems within their systems. I made a lot more
their systems. I made a lot more enemies, you know, than I than I needed
enemies, you know, than I than I needed to make. But I just I just I just have
to make. But I just I just I just have this warrior mentality about me. And it
this warrior mentality about me. And it all turned out well in the end. We
all turned out well in the end. We fought our way through the problems. And
fought our way through the problems. And did that come from your dad? Maybe.
did that come from your dad? Maybe. Yeah. He wasn't one to be told what to
Yeah. He wasn't one to be told what to do. And the apple never falls far from
do. And the apple never falls far from the tree.
the tree. And um can you remember one thing your
And um can you remember one thing your dad maybe did while you were growing up
dad maybe did while you were growing up that um taught you the the hardest
that um taught you the the hardest lesson.
lesson. While growing up, no. You always look at
While growing up, no. You always look at these things in hindsight cuz you assume
these things in hindsight cuz you assume your dad or your parents are going to be
your dad or your parents are going to be around forever and you're wrong because
around forever and you're wrong because they won't. I can look at examples of
they won't. I can look at examples of his life which certainly mirror the way
his life which certainly mirror the way Andrew and I have behaved. And maybe
Andrew and I have behaved. And maybe it's what I learned from his actions.
it's what I learned from his actions. Maybe it's genetic. I don't know what it
Maybe it's genetic. I don't know what it is, but we're certainly very much like
is, but we're certainly very much like him. I mean, when he was kicked out of
him. I mean, when he was kicked out of the military when I was 2 years old,
the military when I was 2 years old, they wanted him to sign some paper
they wanted him to sign some paper saying he was uh he had a personality
saying he was uh he had a personality disorder, and they offered him money,
disorder, and they offered him money, gave him an honorable discharge with a
gave him an honorable discharge with a full pension at well, he must have been
full pension at well, he must have been in his mid-30s by this point, and he
in his mid-30s by this point, and he refused to take it. He said, "My sanity
refused to take it. He said, "My sanity is not for sale. I will not take your
is not for sale. I will not take your money and I will not sign your paper."
money and I will not sign your paper." And as a result, his sons and his
And as a result, his sons and his daughter grew up in abject poverty.
daughter grew up in abject poverty. Now, she's a lawyer. She's doing very
Now, she's a lawyer. She's doing very well for herself, married with kids.
well for herself, married with kids. Andrew and I are,
Andrew and I are, you know, Andrew and I. So, I don't
you know, Andrew and I. So, I don't resent his decision like some losers
resent his decision like some losers would. If I was nowhere in life now, oh,
would. If I was nowhere in life now, oh, I grew up poor cuz my dad refused to.
I grew up poor cuz my dad refused to. I'm like, thank God he did that because
I'm like, thank God he did that because it it it gave rise to the men that
it it it gave rise to the men that Andrew and I are. So, very much like
Andrew and I are. So, very much like turning down the $50 million contract,
turning down the $50 million contract, you know, I can see the parallels, but
you know, I can see the parallels, but it's not like dad did this, we've been
it's not like dad did this, we've been offered this, we have to let's I learned
offered this, we have to let's I learned this from dad, let's do it that way. I
this from dad, let's do it that way. I just see a lot of his traits in the way
just see a lot of his traits in the way that I live.
that I live. Did you help keep Andrew sane in prison?
Did you help keep Andrew sane in prison? A little bit, but he wouldn't have gone
A little bit, but he wouldn't have gone insane. What's he going to do? Start
insane. What's he going to do? Start smashing his head against the wall, kill
smashing his head against the wall, kill himself? Like what are the what does not
himself? Like what are the what does not remaining sane even mean? Did you keep
remaining sane even mean? Did you keep him calmer than he might otherwise have
him calmer than he might otherwise have been? Yeah, probably. And our sense of
been? Yeah, probably. And our sense of humor for both of us, you know, made
humor for both of us, you know, made everything hilarious. I've never laughed
everything hilarious. I've never laughed so much in my life those three months.
so much in my life those three months. You have Why was there today? It It was
You have Why was there today? It It was just It part of it was just so funny. I
just It part of it was just so funny. I couldn't even wrap my head around the
couldn't even wrap my head around the situation I was in. Neither could my
situation I was in. Neither could my lawyers, by the way, because they were
lawyers, by the way, because they were like, "Okay, you've been arrested.
like, "Okay, you've been arrested. You're in jail. You'll be out tomorrow.
You're in jail. You'll be out tomorrow. Of course, this is stupid." I don't
Of course, this is stupid." I don't think anybody understood the
think anybody understood the institutional level at which this was
institutional level at which this was planned. I I mentioned uh previously
planned. I I mentioned uh previously online the emails from Anthony Blinkin
online the emails from Anthony Blinkin saying, "Yeah, shut these guys up." No
saying, "Yeah, shut these guys up." No one knew about that. They thought this
one knew about that. They thought this was a [ __ ] story and we were in jail for
was a [ __ ] story and we were in jail for a day. It's going to be over in 24
a day. It's going to be over in 24 hours. No one was prepared for the
hours. No one was prepared for the months of prison time from my lawyers to
months of prison time from my lawyers to myself. So, no one knew what it was
myself. So, no one knew what it was until, you know, a couple years later
until, you know, a couple years later when we could look back at all the facts
when we could look back at all the facts and everything's coming to light and a
and everything's coming to light and a lot more is going to come to light, by
lot more is going to come to light, by the way, in the future. So, our sense of
the way, in the future. So, our sense of humor kept us sane.
humor kept us sane. Yeah. But even if you locked me away
Yeah. But even if you locked me away from him for 3 months, neither of us
from him for 3 months, neither of us would have done anything stupid. We
would have done anything stupid. We would have come out and we'd still be
would have come out and we'd still be fine. we just would have fewer fond
fine. we just would have fewer fond memories to look back on from our prison
memories to look back on from our prison experience of which I have many.
experience of which I have many. Okay. Um I love business and I don't
Okay. Um I love business and I don't think many people alive would have been
think many people alive would have been able to keep their business going or
able to keep their business going or growing being in prison for 90 days or
growing being in prison for 90 days or however long you were in arrest,
however long you were in arrest, non-arrest, non. So how did you do that?
non-arrest, non. So how did you do that? To be truthful, I could sit here and say
To be truthful, I could sit here and say that we're just such geniuses
that we're just such geniuses that somehow it all worked out. But
that somehow it all worked out. But turnover-wise, we took a hit because the
turnover-wise, we took a hit because the attack, when we say it was a matrix
attack, when we say it was a matrix attack, people assume, oh, they were put
attack, people assume, oh, they were put in jail on a false accusation garbage
in jail on a false accusation garbage case or that we're criminals, you can
case or that we're criminals, you can assume whatever you like, but the moment
assume whatever you like, but the moment I go to jail, payment processing gets
I go to jail, payment processing gets attacked, DOS gets attacked, app store
attacked, DOS gets attacked, app store bans our app. it it was coordinated to
bans our app. it it was coordinated to kill our financial resources. And the
kill our financial resources. And the way I survived that was the
way I survived that was the impending sense of doom that Andrew and
impending sense of doom that Andrew and I carried around ever since we first saw
I carried around ever since we first saw the media start to lie about us before
the media start to lie about us before being cancelled. Here's a clip of Andrew
being cancelled. Here's a clip of Andrew Tate saying X, Y, and Z. He's a
Tate saying X, Y, and Z. He's a misogynist. I'm like, in Andrew's at
misogynist. I'm like, in Andrew's at that point, in Andrew's 10year body of
that point, in Andrew's 10year body of work online, they carefully found and
work online, they carefully found and edited old clips and put them in the
edited old clips and put them in the BBC, in the national news, we were like,
BBC, in the national news, we were like, something something's up here, you know?
something something's up here, you know? So it was our foresight that saved us
So it was our foresight that saved us because if we had been set up in a very
because if we had been set up in a very traditional way company a company
traditional way company a company account personal account company account
account personal account company account pays personal account that's most
pays personal account that's most people's setup if we'd been set up in
people's setup if we'd been set up in the traditional way we would not have
the traditional way we would not have survived this but we smelt a rat we
survived this but we smelt a rat we thought something was coming and that's
thought something was coming and that's what saved us. So, um, must have been
what saved us. So, um, must have been pretty difficult to move from a
pretty difficult to move from a traditional receiving money system to a
traditional receiving money system to a an off-grid money system, I suppose. Is
an off-grid money system, I suppose. Is that not as difficult as you might
that not as difficult as you might think? No. No, it's not as difficult as
think? No. No, it's not as difficult as you might think. And the magic word in
you might think. And the magic word in all of this is crypto. And crypto is an
all of this is crypto. And crypto is an amazing technology. And I feel like
amazing technology. And I feel like crypto is going to save a lot of
crypto is going to save a lot of people's lives, literally and save
people's lives, literally and save people from the level of attack that
people from the level of attack that governments could put on you. Everything
governments could put on you. Everything crypto said it was supposed to do when
crypto said it was supposed to do when it was first launched, it very much
it was first launched, it very much fulfills its mission. So, does that make
fulfills its mission. So, does that make you fear like a cashless society, a
you fear like a cashless society, a central bank digital currency? Is Yeah,
central bank digital currency? Is Yeah, a little bit. I think that centralized
a little bit. I think that centralized well centralized currencies are all
well centralized currencies are all dangerous in one way or another, aren't
dangerous in one way or another, aren't they? From the US dollar to the euro,
they? From the US dollar to the euro, they're all dangerous. I mean, the
they're all dangerous. I mean, the European Central Bank is uh, you know,
European Central Bank is uh, you know, funds various elections and keeps the
funds various elections and keeps the leaders in charge in Europe and everyone
leaders in charge in Europe and everyone knows they do it. Yeah, it's it's very
knows they do it. Yeah, it's it's very scary and people argue, oh, was Bitcoin
scary and people argue, oh, was Bitcoin centralized because, you know, micro
centralized because, you know, micro strategy with Michael Sailor's buying
strategy with Michael Sailor's buying too much of it, etc., etc. But crypto
too much of it, etc., etc. But crypto does what it says on the tin, as we say
does what it says on the tin, as we say in England. Yeah. And you know, I think
in England. Yeah. And you know, I think that's going to save a lot of people
that's going to save a lot of people from a lot of hardship and heartache in
from a lot of hardship and heartache in the future. I lost a lot of money still.
the future. I lost a lot of money still. I lost a lot of income. I lost a lot.
I lost a lot of income. I lost a lot. But yeah, we survived because we knew
But yeah, we survived because we knew this was coming and we set ourselves up
this was coming and we set ourselves up in a way that makes us much harder to
in a way that makes us much harder to attack. Where do you attack? You know,
attack. Where do you attack? You know, okay, you took away my bank accounts,
okay, you took away my bank accounts, but that happened before I got arrested.
but that happened before I got arrested. That kind of did me a favor. It's like,
That kind of did me a favor. It's like, okay, I can't use banks anymore. Let's
okay, I can't use banks anymore. Let's think of another way to restructure
think of another way to restructure this. So yeah, planning for the future.
this. So yeah, planning for the future. Yeah. Why did you start the war room?
Yeah. Why did you start the war room? The war room, I alluded to this very
The war room, I alluded to this very early on, wasn't started for what it
early on, wasn't started for what it was. To be fair, when we started getting
was. To be fair, when we started getting banned, we thought Telegram doesn't ban
banned, we thought Telegram doesn't ban people for opinions. Let's The War Room
people for opinions. Let's The War Room originally was like a hundred bucks or
originally was like a hundred bucks or 200. It was very cheap, but it was set
200. It was very cheap, but it was set up.
up. First of all, we didn't know who our
First of all, we didn't know who our fans were or people who admired us or
fans were or people who admired us or people who wanted to listen to us or
people who wanted to listen to us or associate with us. We didn't really know
associate with us. We didn't really know that. There was no infrastructure set up
that. There was no infrastructure set up that we could possibly know that. We
that we could possibly know that. We just saw a number on our videos and we
just saw a number on our videos and we knew people wanted to hear what we had
knew people wanted to hear what we had to say. So, the war room when we first
to say. So, the war room when we first when Andrew first got banned on Twitter
when Andrew first got banned on Twitter was his first ever ban back under the
was his first ever ban back under the previous ownership. And the war room was
previous ownership. And the war room was set up as a chat room where Andrew could
set up as a chat room where Andrew could voice his opinions and people could
voice his opinions and people could listen to them. And rather than get it
listen to them. And rather than get it flooded, there was a small payw wall to
flooded, there was a small payw wall to get in. It was only when the people
get in. It was only when the people started talking back that we were like,
started talking back that we were like, "Ah, that's a smart guy. This is a good
"Ah, that's a smart guy. This is a good guy. This guy's Richard me. What's he
guy. This guy's Richard me. What's he doing in here?" Yeah. And we were like,
doing in here?" Yeah. And we were like, "This is actually a very good network."
"This is actually a very good network." Then the meetup started. Then we started
Then the meetup started. Then we started I mean making friends within the war
I mean making friends within the war room. A lot of my friends now I mean I
room. A lot of my friends now I mean I can't say his name but the actually I
can't say his name but the actually I won't say their names but uh a lot of my
won't say their names but uh a lot of my friends now I certainly pulled from the
friends now I certainly pulled from the war room and I've have close friendships
war room and I've have close friendships with them and I trust these guys you
with them and I trust these guys you know with my life. Don't you do quite a
know with my life. Don't you do quite a lot of business with war room members as
lot of business with war room members as well. I only do business with war room.
well. I only do business with war room. I only do in fact university.com was
I only do in fact university.com was started. We needed professors who were
started. We needed professors who were all millionaires in their certain
all millionaires in their certain respective fields. And at first, we
respective fields. And at first, we basically needed them to be slave labor.
basically needed them to be slave labor. We've got zero subscribers. We turn over
We've got zero subscribers. We turn over zero. I'm not giving you upfront cash,
zero. I'm not giving you upfront cash, but it will grow. Let me pay you on how
but it will grow. Let me pay you on how many students we get. Do you want to
many students we get. Do you want to join in? So, I had millionaires typing
join in? So, I had millionaires typing away at a room with six people in it on
away at a room with six people in it on day one, giving business lessons when
day one, giving business lessons when their time was much more valuable to be
their time was much more valuable to be used elsewhere. We pulled all of them
used elsewhere. We pulled all of them from the war room. So yeah, the war room
from the war room. So yeah, the war room didn't start as what it became, but once
didn't start as what it became, but once we realized the potential of the other
we realized the potential of the other people inside of it is when we're like,
people inside of it is when we're like, "Ah, we're on to something here." And
"Ah, we're on to something here." And now it's the most useful tool that I
now it's the most useful tool that I have. If I want anything done, I can ask
have. If I want anything done, I can ask the war room anything. So it's
the war room anything. So it's wonderful. Well, I think you said
wonderful. Well, I think you said something quite profound there because
something quite profound there because you said you only do business with
you said you only do business with people in the war room. So if someone's
people in the war room. So if someone's got a bit of an edge to them, they're
got a bit of an edge to them, they're like, "Okay, well then I'll pay to get
like, "Okay, well then I'll pay to get in." Because people don't think
in." Because people don't think paytoplay. They're just trying to do
paytoplay. They're just trying to do everything for free, aren't they? Well,
everything for free, aren't they? Well, you want to get access to people. The
you want to get access to people. The war room isn't new in terms of business.
war room isn't new in terms of business. Let's say before the internet, you
Let's say before the internet, you wanted to do business in London. You buy
wanted to do business in London. You buy access to the private members club with
access to the private members club with the billionaires hang out with and you
the billionaires hang out with and you make friends in there. What's different
make friends in there. What's different with everything moving online? What is
with everything moving online? What is different about the war room as what is
different about the war room as what is essentially a worldwide it's a global
essentially a worldwide it's a global business networking organization? That's
business networking organization? That's that's how you could break it down. But
that's how you could break it down. But it's it's so much more than that. But if
it's it's so much more than that. But if you were to break it down into its very
you were to break it down into its very simplest terms, that's what it is. But
simplest terms, that's what it is. But what's changed? I mean, I've read
what's changed? I mean, I've read American Psycho and I saw everybody
American Psycho and I saw everybody trying to get certain Oh, it's a movie
trying to get certain Oh, it's a movie as well, trying to get reservations to
as well, trying to get reservations to certain restaurants, to be seen in
certain restaurants, to be seen in certain places, to rub shoulders with
certain places, to rub shoulders with this guy, to rub shoulders with that
this guy, to rub shoulders with that guy. What's really different about the
guy. What's really different about the war room to the way that the world has
war room to the way that the world has always been set up ever since money's
always been set up ever since money's been invented, you know? M so yeah, if
been invented, you know? M so yeah, if you want to associate with me and
you want to associate with me and Andrew, it's no good DMing me on Twitter
Andrew, it's no good DMing me on Twitter when I don't read it. But if you come
when I don't read it. But if you come face to face with me, hey man, I've been
face to face with me, hey man, I've been in the war at an event. I've been in the
in the war at an event. I've been in the war in four or five months. I've got
war in four or five months. I've got this idea. I'll listen to you. That's
this idea. I'll listen to you. That's how you get face to face with people.
how you get face to face with people. And it's the way you always have. It's
And it's the way you always have. It's just Andrew and I have put a bit of a
just Andrew and I have put a bit of a new spin on it. So a few detractors and
new spin on it. So a few detractors and a few idiots will try to criticize it. I
a few idiots will try to criticize it. I don't want to be open to the whole
don't want to be open to the whole world. I don't want to hear your ideas.
world. I don't want to hear your ideas. I don't want to talk to everybody.
I don't want to talk to everybody. Nobody with a mission. I won't say money
Nobody with a mission. I won't say money or influence or power. Nobody with a
or influence or power. Nobody with a mission wants to be that person. I don't
mission wants to be that person. I don't want to be accessible to everybody in
want to be accessible to everybody in the world. So, the war room is a amazing
the world. So, the war room is a amazing filter for me. But yeah, I only do
filter for me. But yeah, I only do business with people inside the war
business with people inside the war room. But it's been the same forever.
room. But it's been the same forever. You know, I'll only do business with the
You know, I'll only do business with the guy who goes to my polo club. You could
guy who goes to my polo club. You could have said that in the 80s. Golf clubs
have said that in the 80s. Golf clubs were a big one as well. It's always been
were a big one as well. It's always been that way. Yeah. Yeah. If if you want to
that way. Yeah. Yeah. If if you want to get on the list of a really nice watch,
get on the list of a really nice watch, then go over there and buy a couple of
then go over there and buy a couple of watches to get on the list of a really
watches to get on the list of a really nice watch. Exactly. Buy a couple of the
nice watch. Exactly. Buy a couple of the Ferraris that you can buy on the floor
Ferraris that you can buy on the floor before you get the Exactly. So, it's the
before you get the Exactly. So, it's the way the world has always worked. Andrew
way the world has always worked. Andrew and I have just made it digital. And do
and I have just made it digital. And do you think because social media is kind
you think because social media is kind of commoditized free, that's been a
of commoditized free, that's been a detriment to a lot of people because
detriment to a lot of people because they believe like I hear a lot of people
they believe like I hear a lot of people say, "Oh, you can just learn for free on
say, "Oh, you can just learn for free on YouTube." And I just think it's one of
YouTube." And I just think it's one of the most ridiculous things in the world,
the most ridiculous things in the world, doesn't it? Well, well, this is this is
doesn't it? Well, well, this is this is interesting. So, um, I've conducted
interesting. So, um, I've conducted 2,100 interviews with students of the
2,100 interviews with students of the real world so far over the past three
real world so far over the past three and a half years with all these amazing
and a half years with all these amazing success stories. I never see a
success stories. I never see a standalone video of, "Hi, I'm a guy
standalone video of, "Hi, I'm a guy watching YouTube and I've made all this
watching YouTube and I've made all this money learning X, Y, and Z." So, yes,
money learning X, Y, and Z." So, yes, it's human knowledge and all the human
it's human knowledge and all the human knowledge in the world exists on the
knowledge in the world exists on the internet. The key thing with the real
internet. The key thing with the real world especially is that we're updating
world especially is that we're updating in real time. the professors are reading
in real time. the professors are reading all the knowledge and regurgitating
all the knowledge and regurgitating what's useful back to the people. But
what's useful back to the people. But I'm going to give you another example
I'm going to give you another example that perhaps you haven't thought of. Why
that perhaps you haven't thought of. Why go to university to study particle
go to university to study particle physics? Because all of the information
physics? Because all of the information about particle physics is readily
about particle physics is readily available on the internet. Is that not
available on the internet. Is that not true? Every single thing, all the works
true? Every single thing, all the works of Lawrence Krauss and Richard Feineman
of Lawrence Krauss and Richard Feineman and Steven Hawking is available online.
and Steven Hawking is available online. Everything they've discovered,
Everything they've discovered, everything they know, all the
everything they know, all the mathematical ma mathematical equations,
mathematical ma mathematical equations, all the formulas are readily available
all the formulas are readily available online. So why aren't you a particle
online. So why aren't you a particle physicist? It's not just about whether
physicist? It's not just about whether information's out there. It's about the
information's out there. It's about the delivery mechanism and the vehicle that
delivery mechanism and the vehicle that delivers the the ideas to you. And
delivers the the ideas to you. And that's what the real world is so good
that's what the real world is so good at. So I understand you could I guess mo
at. So I understand you could I guess mo a lot of the information inside of the
a lot of the information inside of the real world you could independently
real world you could independently Google and search and read and find
Google and search and read and find somewhere if you wanted to compile all
somewhere if you wanted to compile all that information yourself however we
that information yourself however we have professors willing to give it to
have professors willing to give it to you dayto day and inside of the war room
you dayto day and inside of the war room I have people who know things I don't
I have people who know things I don't want to learn you know there's probably
want to learn you know there's probably a particle physicist inside the war room
a particle physicist inside the war room I don't I don't know but I bet if I
I don't I don't know but I bet if I asked there is one and if I needed
asked there is one and if I needed somebody to explain to me how the speed
somebody to explain to me how the speed of light differs when it's when it's put
of light differs when it's when it's put through a spectrum from from ultraviolet
through a spectrum from from ultraviolet to infrared. I could ask him, you know,
to infrared. I could ask him, you know, so everything you learn at any school is
so everything you learn at any school is readily available online because all of
readily available online because all of the world's human information that isn't
the world's human information that isn't classified is on the internet. You tell
classified is on the internet. You tell me the stuff in your business degree
me the stuff in your business degree that you went and got a university, you
that you went and got a university, you can't look up, you can look up
can't look up, you can look up everything. They're just books, but your
everything. They're just books, but your professor tells you which books to read
professor tells you which books to read and how to apply it. That's the power.
and how to apply it. That's the power. Yeah. And ironic, ironically in the
Yeah. And ironic, ironically in the school system, that professor is on
school system, that professor is on £37,000. Yeah. Teaching you business in
£37,000. Yeah. Teaching you business in economics. And ironically in the school
economics. And ironically in the school system, this is my point. So I've got a
system, this is my point. So I've got a millionaire teaching you business. And
millionaire teaching you business. And then you've got a guy telling you which
then you've got a guy telling you which books to read about business who's never
books to read about business who's never run a business and has no business and
run a business and has no business and has no money. So which one's better? I
has no money. So which one's better? I know which one's cheaper. But in terms
know which one's cheaper. But in terms of value for money, it would be better
of value for money, it would be better if it was exactly the same. However, my
if it was exactly the same. However, my guys are qualified. So yeah, that's a
guys are qualified. So yeah, that's a that's a very and I know that's not your
that's a very and I know that's not your argument. So I'll say that's a very
argument. So I'll say that's a very stupid argument against the real world
stupid argument against the real world because it can be applied to any
because it can be applied to any educational uh if I I don't have a
educational uh if I I don't have a degree but I know particle physics
degree but I know particle physics because I've read in fact I have read
because I've read in fact I have read all of Stephen Hawkings books so I know
all of Stephen Hawkings books so I know more than other people and layman know
more than other people and layman know because I've read those books. Does that
because I've read those books. Does that make me a qualified particle physicist?
make me a qualified particle physicist? No. However, inside of the real world,
No. However, inside of the real world, although you don't end up, as of yet, as
although you don't end up, as of yet, as of yet, you don't end up with a real
of yet, you don't end up with a real degree at the end of it, which is
degree at the end of it, which is changing very soon, by the way. We have
changing very soon, by the way. We have 2,100 interviews with people from all
2,100 interviews with people from all over the world who have financially
over the world who have financially changed their lives because of the
changed their lives because of the lessons taught inside. Show me
lessons taught inside. Show me university with that.
How are you living your dad's legacy, you and Andrew?
you and Andrew? That's very interesting.
That's very interesting. I feel like
I feel like I don't talk about my kids so I won't
I don't talk about my kids so I won't but this certainly applies to them as
but this certainly applies to them as well. I feel like my dad was a very
well. I feel like my dad was a very principled,
principled, moral, strong man. And just the idea
moral, strong man. And just the idea that I can go online and get 10 people,
that I can go online and get 10 people, 10 who I've never met, one in
10 who I've never met, one in California, one in Mozambique, one in
California, one in Mozambique, one in Mongolia, etc. to become stronger, more
Mongolia, etc. to become stronger, more principled, more focused people. That in
principled, more focused people. That in a way is living my dad's legacy. Forget
a way is living my dad's legacy. Forget the millions who I think lives we've
the millions who I think lives we've changed. I saw a clip from a very famous
changed. I saw a clip from a very famous fitness influencer who said, "We've all
fitness influencer who said, "We've all been doing fitness influencing for
been doing fitness influencing for years, all of us, with our protein
years, all of us, with our protein shakes and our ripped abs and our uh
shakes and our ripped abs and our uh workout guides." He said, "There's a
workout guides." He said, "There's a single person who's inspired more men to
single person who's inspired more men to go to the gym than all of us put
go to the gym than all of us put together, and that man is Andrew Tate."
together, and that man is Andrew Tate." So, I'm not just reshaping the lives of
So, I'm not just reshaping the lives of a few people inside of the war room, the
a few people inside of the war room, the hundreds of thousands of people inside
hundreds of thousands of people inside the real world. I think that Andrew and
the real world. I think that Andrew and the message that Andrew and I put out is
the message that Andrew and I put out is directly affecting the lives of millions
directly affecting the lives of millions of young men and in a positive way. So,
of young men and in a positive way. So, that if my father was here today, I'd
that if my father was here today, I'd say, "Dad, look what I've done." And I
say, "Dad, look what I've done." And I think he'd be very happy with that. And
think he'd be very happy with that. And does that make you feel happy? Yeah, it
does that make you feel happy? Yeah, it does. Makes me feel incredibly happy. H.
does. Makes me feel incredibly happy. H. What's something no one knows about
What's something no one knows about Andrew?
Andrew? Well, a lot of the things that no one
Well, a lot of the things that no one knows about Andrew, people don't know
knows about Andrew, people don't know with good reason. So, I couldn't really
with good reason. So, I couldn't really sit here and say them. I mean, you know,
sit here and say them. I mean, you know, it it depends on who's asking and it
it it depends on who's asking and it depends because the the opinions of
depends because the the opinions of Andrew vary massively. Some people think
Andrew vary massively. Some people think he's stupid when he's smart. Some people
he's stupid when he's smart. Some people think he's I don't know, on steroids
think he's I don't know, on steroids when he's natural. Some people think
when he's natural. Some people think that he's loud and brash when he's
that he's loud and brash when he's actually quiet and reserved. So, I I
actually quiet and reserved. So, I I don't know exactly
don't know exactly which myths about Andrew I can bust cuz
which myths about Andrew I can bust cuz everyone has their own opinions about
everyone has their own opinions about him, but you've met him in person and
him, but you've met him in person and you've seen him at events and you've
you've seen him at events and you've seen him in the war room and you've seen
seen him in the war room and you've seen him interact with people. I I don't
him interact with people. I I don't know.
know. I can't really tell you something no one
I can't really tell you something no one knows, but I'll say to the people who
knows, but I'll say to the people who are are detractors, what will surprise
are are detractors, what will surprise you most about Andrew is how polite and
you most about Andrew is how polite and nice he is. If you only read about
nice he is. If you only read about Andrew in the mainstream media, that's a
Andrew in the mainstream media, that's a person you don't want to know. But he is
person you don't want to know. But he is well-liked, loved, respected,
well-liked, loved, respected, polite. Nobody leaves him with a
polite. Nobody leaves him with a negative impression. And I think that's
negative impression. And I think that's the coolest thing about him. And but you
the coolest thing about him. And but you probably know that and a lot of people
probably know that and a lot of people watching the podcast probably also know
watching the podcast probably also know that. But I've got no secrets to tell
that. But I've got no secrets to tell you. No, no big crushing secrets. Sorry.
you. No, no big crushing secrets. Sorry. I'm not I'm not I'm not a gossiper
I'm not I'm not I'm not a gossiper anyway. So No. And that wasn't really
anyway. So No. And that wasn't really the question I was asking. Just um I
the question I was asking. Just um I think you've answered it. Yeah. Yeah.
think you've answered it. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I could have said, "How's Andrew
Cuz I could have said, "How's Andrew most misunderstood?" But then like you
most misunderstood?" But then like you said, there's context to that. Yes. It
said, there's context to that. Yes. It depends whose opinion I'm trying to
depends whose opinion I'm trying to counteract. But yeah, he's he's just
counteract. But yeah, he's he's just he's just a wonderful person who will do
he's just a wonderful person who will do anything for anybody if he if he could
anything for anybody if he if he could if he has a level of respect for you.
if he has a level of respect for you. He'd do absolutely anything for anybody,
He'd do absolutely anything for anybody, especially me and my friends. Yeah. And
especially me and my friends. Yeah. And what's the most suffering you see Andrew
what's the most suffering you see Andrew go through? What's the greatest pain he
go through? What's the greatest pain he seems to feel? Andrew feels no pain.
seems to feel? Andrew feels no pain. That's my answer. I don't think it's
That's my answer. I don't think it's true. Well, you know what? May maybe it
true. Well, you know what? May maybe it is and maybe it isn't. There's a line
is and maybe it isn't. There's a line from the Dark Knight that I like when
from the Dark Knight that I like when Bruce Wayne is talking to Alfred
Bruce Wayne is talking to Alfred and he's and he's talking about his
and he's and he's talking about his limits. Like the Joker's going to do
limits. Like the Joker's going to do this, the Joker's going to do that. You
this, the Joker's going to do that. You know, I've got limits. Oh, no. Alfred
know, I've got limits. Oh, no. Alfred says something about limits. He goes,
says something about limits. He goes, "Oh, don't you have limits?" And he
"Oh, don't you have limits?" And he says, "Batman has no limits." Andrew
says, "Batman has no limits." Andrew Tate feels no pain. That's my answer.
Tate feels no pain. That's my answer. Because whether as individual men,
Because whether as individual men, Andrew and I may struggle and suffer
Andrew and I may struggle and suffer with various things, which every man on
with various things, which every man on the planet does. By the way, this isn't
the planet does. By the way, this isn't something unique to me or Andrew. It's
something unique to me or Andrew. It's you right now. The moment I said that,
you right now. The moment I said that, you're thinking of a problem that
you're thinking of a problem that bothers you, I'm sure, or something that
bothers you, I'm sure, or something that hurts you. Everyone is. Everyone
hurts you. Everyone is. Everyone listening to this is. But I don't think
listening to this is. But I don't think the mission of what Andrew is trying to
the mission of what Andrew is trying to accomplish or the mission of what I'm
accomplish or the mission of what I'm trying to accomplish is assisted in any
trying to accomplish is assisted in any way by telling anybody what I struggle
way by telling anybody what I struggle with because one of our biggest things
with because one of our biggest things that we preach is nobody cares, which is
that we preach is nobody cares, which is true. If you're a man and you're down
true. If you're a man and you're down and out and you're struggling, nobody
and out and you're struggling, nobody cares about you. It's down to you. Well,
cares about you. It's down to you. Well, you would care about Andrew if he was
you would care about Andrew if he was struggling. Maybe, but that's a that's a
struggling. Maybe, but that's a that's a very private matter. And irregardless of
very private matter. And irregardless of whether he struggles or not or whether I
whether he struggles or not or whether I struggle or not with various things in
struggle or not with various things in our life as every man does,
our life as every man does, Andrew Tate is genuinely for the most
Andrew Tate is genuinely for the most part unbreakable and he feels no pain.
part unbreakable and he feels no pain. And that's the image he puts out there
And that's the image he puts out there because it's largely true. But me
because it's largely true. But me saying, "Oh, it's hard for him when X Y
saying, "Oh, it's hard for him when X Y and Z happens." What's that do? Fuel my
and Z happens." What's that do? Fuel my enemies. Like that's not an interesting
enemies. Like that's not an interesting topic that I think anybody needs to hear
topic that I think anybody needs to hear because they don't listen to me and
because they don't listen to me and Andrew to hear about our problems. They
Andrew to hear about our problems. They listen to me and Andrew for solutions to
listen to me and Andrew for solutions to theirs and that's what I want to give.
theirs and that's what I want to give. So what's also interesting is um he's
So what's also interesting is um he's written a book called Made of Pain. Yes.
written a book called Made of Pain. Yes. M you can't make a gin and tonic without
M you can't make a gin and tonic without gin you know and pain and struggle is
gin you know and pain and struggle is one of the best and most necessary I
one of the best and most necessary I think ingredients in the life of what
think ingredients in the life of what makes a great man if we
makes a great man if we discuss any great man in history anyone
discuss any great man in history anyone who you consider great we remember their
who you consider great we remember their great victories their great triumphs
great victories their great triumphs their great achievements from George
their great achievements from George Washington to Genghaskhan to Constantine
Washington to Genghaskhan to Constantine the 11th
the 11th you remember their great downfalls
you remember their great downfalls sometimes famously in the last case.
sometimes famously in the last case. However, none of these things were
However, none of these things were achieved without great pain and great
achieved without great pain and great struggle. You can always watch the man
struggle. You can always watch the man cross the finish line, but a lot goes
cross the finish line, but a lot goes into that. And certainly in my life,
into that. And certainly in my life, even if I'd never suffered these legal
even if I'd never suffered these legal problems, never been put to jail, I'm I
problems, never been put to jail, I'm I put in jail, I'm telling you, to just
put in jail, I'm telling you, to just get here to multi-millionaire status
get here to multi-millionaire status where I was 5 years ago. To just even
where I was 5 years ago. To just even get there, to taste the fruits of my
get there, to taste the fruits of my labor took a lot of plowing, you know, a
labor took a lot of plowing, you know, a lot of planting, a lot of irrigation. It
lot of planting, a lot of irrigation. It was very, very hard work. So yeah, the
was very, very hard work. So yeah, the the life of every successful man, pain
the life of every successful man, pain is and struggle are two of the most
is and struggle are two of the most important ingredients.
important ingredients. So do you endeavor every day to face
So do you endeavor every day to face very hard things? Is that a conscious
very hard things? Is that a conscious thing for you? No, I wake up every day
thing for you? No, I wake up every day prepared to face hard things. It's not
prepared to face hard things. It's not that I endeavor to because nobody wants
that I endeavor to because nobody wants to. But that's not the nature of that's
to. But that's not the nature of that's the paradox of it, isn't it? That's not
the paradox of it, isn't it? That's not But that's not the nature of the world.
But that's not the nature of the world. What I said to the war room guys after
What I said to the war room guys after the uh fighting event, the guys who were
the uh fighting event, the guys who were unprepared for the two rounds of boxing
unprepared for the two rounds of boxing they had to do, I said to them very
they had to do, I said to them very clearly, I said, "Sure, you've prepared
clearly, I said, "Sure, you've prepared for today because you know you're
for today because you know you're sparring with Luke. You know you're
sparring with Luke. You know you're sparring with Andrew, and you've
sparring with Andrew, and you've prepared as much as you think you have,
prepared as much as you think you have, and you've still come fallen short.
and you've still come fallen short. Loads of you have fallen very, very
Loads of you have fallen very, very short. However, when real violence
short. However, when real violence comes, you don't know what's coming. You
comes, you don't know what's coming. You don't you don't prepare for it. I was
don't you don't prepare for it. I was literally opening Christmas presents
literally opening Christmas presents with my daughter and 24 hours later I
with my daughter and 24 hours later I was in jail. Didn't see her for three
was in jail. Didn't see her for three months. That's life. So I don't endeavor
months. That's life. So I don't endeavor to suffer ever and I don't endeavor to
to suffer ever and I don't endeavor to face pain. I'm not a massochist. I don't
face pain. I'm not a massochist. I don't try to put myself through difficulties
try to put myself through difficulties for self-gratification.
for self-gratification. But I do prepare myself every day
But I do prepare myself every day knowing that a harder day will come. And
knowing that a harder day will come. And in my life, which is going to be
in my life, which is going to be wonderful, and it's been pretty
wonderful, and it's been pretty wonderful so far, I'm going to find
wonderful so far, I'm going to find myself in lots of difficult situations
myself in lots of difficult situations and lots of dark places. And you have to
and lots of dark places. And you have to have, you know, put the firewood aside
have, you know, put the firewood aside to fuel the light. I don't want this.
to fuel the light. I don't want this. But it's just you yourself, I'm sure,
But it's just you yourself, I'm sure, have had many days when you've woken up
have had many days when you've woken up and looked at your papers or your
and looked at your papers or your spreadsheets and just thought, I am
spreadsheets and just thought, I am [ __ ] But you lock lockdown. We had a
[ __ ] But you lock lockdown. We had a 100 apartment block we were building in
100 apartment block we were building in lockdown. The worst [ __ ] time in
lockdown. The worst [ __ ] time in ever. There we go. And could you have
ever. There we go. And could you have seen that coming? No. But the the way
seen that coming? No. But the the way that you got through it wasn't just off
that you got through it wasn't just off the cuff. It wasn't luck. It wasn't
the cuff. It wasn't luck. It wasn't making it up as you went along. You had
making it up as you went along. You had prepared for the hardship in advance in
prepared for the hardship in advance in one way or another. Mentally,
one way or another. Mentally, financially, physically, however. So,
financially, physically, however. So, yeah, no one endeavors to to suffer,
yeah, no one endeavors to to suffer, only crazy people. But I I wake up
only crazy people. But I I wake up prepared to suffer. and prepared to
prepared to suffer. and prepared to protect those who I love from suffering
protect those who I love from suffering as much as I can. That's my mission. So,
as much as I can. That's my mission. So, final three questions. Let's go. The
final three questions. Let's go. The Russell Brand scandal that's going on in
Russell Brand scandal that's going on in the UK and apparently what he was been
the UK and apparently what he was been up to, does that look like a kind of
up to, does that look like a kind of playbook they put on you? Do you think
playbook they put on you? Do you think Russell Brand's innocent? Let let's take
Russell Brand's innocent? Let let's take this a step back because when Russell
this a step back because when Russell Brand allegedly this woman I would have
Brand allegedly this woman I would have been
been what 15 years old didn't know who he
what 15 years old didn't know who he was. It's impossible for me as an adult
was. It's impossible for me as an adult to say he's guilty or he's not guilty.
to say he's guilty or he's not guilty. And this is the ironic thing you see
And this is the ironic thing you see because how do you get found guilty in
because how do you get found guilty in England? By a jury of your peers. So 26
England? By a jury of your peers. So 26 years ago, this is alleged to have
years ago, this is alleged to have happened. And 26 years ago, there was no
happened. And 26 years ago, there was no text messaging, there was no Facebook
text messaging, there was no Facebook messages, there was no video recording
messages, there was no video recording on your devices. Maybe there was no
on your devices. Maybe there was no CCTV.
CCTV. You have one person's word against
You have one person's word against another. And I, as a rational, smart
another. And I, as a rational, smart man, I think everybody should put
man, I think everybody should put themselves in this position. I'm not
themselves in this position. I'm not going to say Russell Brand's guilty or
going to say Russell Brand's guilty or Russell Brand's innocent. What I will
Russell Brand's innocent. What I will say is I cannot determine that fact
say is I cannot determine that fact beyond all reasonable doubt which the
beyond all reasonable doubt which the Magna Carta put down in England. We were
Magna Carta put down in England. We were the first people to write the rule of
the first people to write the rule of law. You have to be convicted by a jury
law. You have to be convicted by a jury of your peers beyond all reasonable
of your peers beyond all reasonable doubt. That is the cornerstone of
doubt. That is the cornerstone of English law. If you select 12 rational
English law. If you select 12 rational people like me and she says she got 26
people like me and she says she got 26 years ago and is crying on the stand and
years ago and is crying on the stand and he says she's making it up, how can I
he says she's making it up, how can I find him guilty beyond all reasonable
find him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt? The answer is I can't. Nobody
doubt? The answer is I can't. Nobody can. Did she go to the police afterwards
can. Did she go to the police afterwards and get medical reports done? Go to the
and get medical reports done? Go to the hospital where there injuries. I
hospital where there injuries. I actually don't know this in this case,
actually don't know this in this case, but I bet there isn't. I would bet a
but I bet there isn't. I would bet a million bucks there isn't any of these
million bucks there isn't any of these things. So, it's one person's word
things. So, it's one person's word against another. So, I don't think he's
against another. So, I don't think he's guilty, but that's an opinion. But as a
guilty, but that's an opinion. But as a matter of fact, I cannot determine that
matter of fact, I cannot determine that he is based on the words of somebody
he is based on the words of somebody else. And that should be the opinion of
else. And that should be the opinion of every single juror that they select in
every single juror that they select in this case. If Russell Brand had not
this case. If Russell Brand had not talked about the vaccines, big pharma,
talked about the vaccines, big pharma, the war in Ukraine, all these various
the war in Ukraine, all these various things, would this legal case have
things, would this legal case have happened? I know the answer is no. And
happened? I know the answer is no. And that doesn't mean he did it or he didn't
that doesn't mean he did it or he didn't do it. That means certainly the case
do it. That means certainly the case coming about was politically motivated.
coming about was politically motivated. So
So my personal opinion I don't think
my personal opinion I don't think matters. But if you're British and you
matters. But if you're British and you are watching this and you get selected
are watching this and you get selected for jury service for Russell Brand or
for jury service for Russell Brand or any other case of any other crime where
any other case of any other crime where it's one person's word against another,
it's one person's word against another, I think you should remember that the
I think you should remember that the cornerstone of English law is convicted
cornerstone of English law is convicted by a jury of your peers beyond all
by a jury of your peers beyond all reasonable doubt. And if it's one
reasonable doubt. And if it's one person's word against another, it's
person's word against another, it's 50/50 at best, which isn't even a
50/50 at best, which isn't even a balance of probabilities, which is the
balance of probabilities, which is the way to win in a civil proceeding.
way to win in a civil proceeding. So,
So, I hope that Russell Brand is acquitted.
I hope that Russell Brand is acquitted. I would hate to know, just as a man, not
I would hate to know, just as a man, not me, for any man, for my sons, for your
me, for any man, for my sons, for your sons, I would hate to know that a sexual
sons, I would hate to know that a sexual encounter 26 years ago could be
encounter 26 years ago could be fabricated and lied about and put a man
fabricated and lied about and put a man in jail for 20 years. I would hate for
in jail for 20 years. I would hate for that to be the reality of the world. So,
that to be the reality of the world. So, I hope in my heart of hearts that he is
I hope in my heart of hearts that he is acquitted and my personal opinion has
acquitted and my personal opinion has nothing to do with it. Do you think
nothing to do with it. Do you think anyone is able to have a fair trial now
anyone is able to have a fair trial now with the weaponization of social media?
with the weaponization of social media? How could anyone even be on that jury
How could anyone even be on that jury and be neutral or unbiased? Well, well,
and be neutral or unbiased? Well, well, they can't. They can't. And I'm I'm very
they can't. They can't. And I'm I'm very glad in Romania, my case was deemed not
glad in Romania, my case was deemed not fit to even have a trial. M I never even
fit to even have a trial. M I never even got there cuz the accusation was so
got there cuz the accusation was so stupid. So luckily the judicial process
stupid. So luckily the judicial process nipped it in the bud for me. I say in
nipped it in the bud for me. I say in the bud, it still took 2 years for them
the bud, it still took 2 years for them to do that. However,
to do that. However, yeah, when you're a public figure, the
yeah, when you're a public figure, the rules on anonymity really suck cuz a
rules on anonymity really suck cuz a woman can accuse Rob Moore of whatever
woman can accuse Rob Moore of whatever she likes and she's protected by
she likes and she's protected by anonymity. But the media when you get
anonymity. But the media when you get arrested can run your name through the
arrested can run your name through the mud for years and no one knows who that
mud for years and no one knows who that person is. It's why I'm looking forward
person is. It's why I'm looking forward to September because after I win,
to September because after I win, everyone will know who my false accuser
everyone will know who my false accuser is. You know, she didn't say even if she
is. You know, she didn't say even if she had when I was in prison had sent me a
had when I was in prison had sent me a message saying sorry, I would have been
message saying sorry, I would have been like, you know what, let's not do this.
like, you know what, let's not do this. But she's protected by anonymity. Jane
But she's protected by anonymity. Jane Doe on all the paperwork. No one's
Doe on all the paperwork. No one's allowed to say her name. I'm like,
allowed to say her name. I'm like, "Well, you're allowed to say my name
"Well, you're allowed to say my name when you put me in prison and say
when you put me in prison and say allegedly this, allegedly that every day
allegedly this, allegedly that every day for three years." They've basically
for three years." They've basically given up now, thank God. But she's
given up now, thank God. But she's protected by anonymity. It's wild.
protected by anonymity. It's wild. Everyone should be protected by
Everyone should be protected by anonymity until somebody's convicted.
anonymity until somebody's convicted. That's what I think. I think the first
That's what I think. I think the first we should hear of these allegations is
we should hear of these allegations is Russell Brand has just been convicted.
Russell Brand has just been convicted. That's the first we should hear. or if
That's the first we should hear. or if he's never convicted, nobody should hear
he's never convicted, nobody should hear anything about it because it is very
anything about it because it is very unfair on him if he's innocent or any
unfair on him if he's innocent or any other man who's accused of any crime.
other man who's accused of any crime. It's extremely unfair. Anonymity should
It's extremely unfair. Anonymity should be for everybody or for nobody in these
be for everybody or for nobody in these crimes because being called a victim of
crimes because being called a victim of is nowhere near as bad as being called a
is nowhere near as bad as being called a rapist when you're not because people
rapist when you're not because people feel sorry for victims and people
feel sorry for victims and people empathize for victims. No one empathizes
empathize for victims. No one empathizes for the person who is accused of heinous
for the person who is accused of heinous acts. And what's very sad for me is
acts. And what's very sad for me is people project their own pain
people project their own pain with things they've gone through in
with things they've gone through in their lives onto other people. I
their lives onto other people. I actually had a very moving conversation
actually had a very moving conversation on Twitter about a year and a half ago
on Twitter about a year and a half ago where this woman would not stop posting
where this woman would not stop posting about me being a and an abuser and a
about me being a and an abuser and a whatever. I wasn't even accused but just
whatever. I wasn't even accused but just type out. when I look at his face, I see
type out. when I look at his face, I see the face of evil. And I had a
the face of evil. And I had a conversation. I swayed her opinion. I
conversation. I swayed her opinion. I said, "Look," she had survivor in her
said, "Look," she had survivor in her bio. I said, "I empathize with you for
bio. I said, "I empathize with you for everything you've been through and I
everything you've been through and I understand you hate men who commit this
understand you hate men who commit this type of crime, but don't take whoever
type of crime, but don't take whoever did this to you all these years ago and
did this to you all these years ago and brand and make me the face of that
brand and make me the face of that brand. Don't make me the face of that
brand. Don't make me the face of that crime. That's what the media will want
crime. That's what the media will want you to do. Here are some facts from my
you to do. Here are some facts from my case. Here are the messages of her
case. Here are the messages of her proving to falsely accuse me. Here is
proving to falsely accuse me. Here is the incident where she said she was
the incident where she said she was locked in my house. She went out to get
locked in my house. She went out to get pizza and came back and it was a party
pizza and came back and it was a party that I wasn't at. Please look at this.
that I wasn't at. Please look at this. And she was like, well, why is the media
And she was like, well, why is the media calling you all these things? I said,
calling you all these things? I said, because they want to emotionally charge
because they want to emotionally charge people like you with hatred for me, so
people like you with hatred for me, so there is no fair trial ever and there
there is no fair trial ever and there can't be. So anonymity should be for
can't be. So anonymity should be for everybody. So is the world corrupt? Oh,
everybody. So is the world corrupt? Oh, absolutely. But it always has been. And
absolutely. But it always has been. And the system that we live in isn't all
the system that we live in isn't all bad. I mean, it's not Somalia where
bad. I mean, it's not Somalia where there's no government or rule of law and
there's no government or rule of law and you can go around doing whatever you
you can go around doing whatever you like.
like. So yeah, it is because people are
So yeah, it is because people are corruptible. No system can work
corruptible. No system can work perfectly because people are corruptible
perfectly because people are corruptible until AI takes over and that's even
until AI takes over and that's even scarier. So God knows what happens then.
scarier. So God knows what happens then. Yeah. The world's very corrupt. Recently
Yeah. The world's very corrupt. Recently Kanye West launched a song called Hal
Kanye West launched a song called Hal Hitler. That's that's a cultural
Hitler. That's that's a cultural fascination. What's going on with Kanye
fascination. What's going on with Kanye West? Kanye West once had every
West? Kanye West once had every newspaper in the world talking about him
newspaper in the world talking about him because his wife wore a see-through
because his wife wore a see-through dress to an award ceremony nobody cared
dress to an award ceremony nobody cared about. He once had everybody talking
about. He once had everybody talking about him years ago because he was
about him years ago because he was walking around in a black hood and you
walking around in a black hood and you couldn't see his face. Kanye West is
couldn't see his face. Kanye West is very good at garnering attention. Now,
very good at garnering attention. Now, the fact that you just asked me about
the fact that you just asked me about that song and it's banned everywhere and
that song and it's banned everywhere and is still one of the most viral songs
is still one of the most viral songs that there's ever been, it's actually
that there's ever been, it's actually quite catchy to be honest. It's a pretty
quite catchy to be honest. It's a pretty catchy song. He's good at making music,
catchy song. He's good at making music, whatever. He could say anything. He
whatever. He could say anything. He could say free the pedos over a track.
could say free the pedos over a track. It could it could be a good beat, you
It could it could be a good beat, you know. So, the fact that it's the most
know. So, the fact that it's the most viral song in the world proves that
viral song in the world proves that Kanye knows how to do what Kanye does
Kanye knows how to do what Kanye does well. Does he love Hitler? You have to
well. Does he love Hitler? You have to ask him. I don't know. But what I'm
ask him. I don't know. But what I'm saying is he's created the single most
saying is he's created the single most viral song in the world. And it's great
viral song in the world. And it's great that you're asking me about it. And more
that you're asking me about it. And more people are going to go listen to it now
people are going to go listen to it now after watching this podcast and be like,
after watching this podcast and be like, "Oh, that's actually quite catchy."
"Oh, that's actually quite catchy." Because it is. Cuz he's a musician.
Because it is. Cuz he's a musician. Maybe it's as simple as that.
Maybe it's as simple as that. And maybe it isn't. Maybe he has a deep
And maybe it isn't. Maybe he has a deep rooted political agenda that he's trying
rooted political agenda that he's trying to spread spread across the world. Or
to spread spread across the world. Or maybe he just knows how to garner
maybe he just knows how to garner attention,
attention, which Andrew knows how to do very well
which Andrew knows how to do very well as well. So, I understand that. And I'm
as well. So, I understand that. And I'm not going to tell you which one I think
not going to tell you which one I think it is, but
it is, but viral song.
viral song. Um, why did you launch a tequila?
Um, why did you launch a tequila? Because I like tequila and because I
Because I like tequila and because I understand that drinking alcohol, as
understand that drinking alcohol, as unhealthy as it is, and as much as I
unhealthy as it is, and as much as I tell my viewers, don't drink or smoke
tell my viewers, don't drink or smoke till you're 30, which is literally my
till you're 30, which is literally my messaging, I'm anti-drugs,
messaging, I'm anti-drugs, never tried them. I understand that
never tried them. I understand that people look at me and they see my life's
people look at me and they see my life's in order, I'm wealthy, I'm rich, I'm in
in order, I'm wealthy, I'm rich, I'm in good shape, and I drink alcohol. I feel
good shape, and I drink alcohol. I feel like I can be quite a good ambassador
like I can be quite a good ambassador for recreational drinking, which has
for recreational drinking, which has been part of human culture since before
been part of human culture since before we had writing. The earliest writings in
we had writing. The earliest writings in the world from modern day Iraq, mention
the world from modern day Iraq, mention alcohol consumption. Nobody knows who
alcohol consumption. Nobody knows who invented wine, but alcohol consumption
invented wine, but alcohol consumption has been part of human culture since
has been part of human culture since humans have had culture. And it destroys
humans have had culture. And it destroys people, some people. And it could be
people, some people. And it could be damaging on people's health. Some
damaging on people's health. Some people. And with every single
people. And with every single indulgence, I won't call it a bad habit.
indulgence, I won't call it a bad habit. With every single indulgence,
With every single indulgence, there is a subsect of people that will
there is a subsect of people that will abuse it, destroy themselves, whether it
abuse it, destroy themselves, whether it be gambling or tequila or pornography or
be gambling or tequila or pornography or or or anything.
or or anything. So, I feel like I'm a very good
So, I feel like I'm a very good ambassador to the healthy use of alcohol
ambassador to the healthy use of alcohol in terms of being a high functioning man
in terms of being a high functioning man in good physical health with a very
in good physical health with a very heavy workload and a very high level of
heavy workload and a very high level of success and the fact that I'm always
success and the fact that I'm always moving up and always climbing up the
moving up and always climbing up the ladder and I do drink. I've been
ladder and I do drink. I've been synonymous with this in a way for five,
synonymous with this in a way for five, six, seven years because people see me
six, seven years because people see me drinking, you know, whatever on some
drinking, you know, whatever on some episode, but they don't realize that
episode, but they don't realize that that was Friday night and Saturday I'm
that was Friday night and Saturday I'm working out and back at my laptop. They
working out and back at my laptop. They don't they don't see that. So, I've
don't they don't see that. So, I've always been a an advocate for
always been a an advocate for recreational drinking. I will never stop
recreational drinking. I will never stop recreational drinking. I love
recreational drinking. I love recreational drinking. And what better
recreational drinking. And what better way to be an advocate than to have my
way to be an advocate than to have my own brand that I can get behind so I can
own brand that I can get behind so I can talk about it more frequently and push
talk about it more frequently and push the message that it is fine to have
the message that it is fine to have indulgences in life as long as you don't
indulgences in life as long as you don't let them control you. And why tequila?
let them control you. And why tequila? I like tequila. I like tequila and I
I like tequila. I like tequila and I especially like my tequila. I feel like
especially like my tequila. I feel like there's actually a very good answer to
there's actually a very good answer to this. People ask me why I don't launch
this. People ask me why I don't launch my own cigar brand. And I say because
my own cigar brand. And I say because the Cuban cigar market, it's a it's a
the Cuban cigar market, it's a it's a small island, is monopolized. Chinese
small island, is monopolized. Chinese own a lot of it, believe it or not. Um,
own a lot of it, believe it or not. Um, obviously the Cuban national government
obviously the Cuban national government owns a lot of it. It's monopolized. I
owns a lot of it. It's monopolized. I could launch a cigar brand and I could
could launch a cigar brand and I could make money with this cigar brand.
make money with this cigar brand. However, the cigars I sell would never
However, the cigars I sell would never be as good as a Romeo and Juliet or a
be as good as a Romeo and Juliet or a Cohiba because I can't compete with the
Cohiba because I can't compete with the Cubans. People ask me why I don't
Cubans. People ask me why I don't release my own brand of suits. I said,
release my own brand of suits. I said, "Because my tailor's been in business
"Because my tailor's been in business since 1849, and no suits I get made
since 1849, and no suits I get made anywhere in the world will be as high
anywhere in the world will be as high quality as the suits I make." So, I'd
quality as the suits I make." So, I'd have to downgrade the cigars I smoke,
have to downgrade the cigars I smoke, downgrade the suits I wear to be a brand
downgrade the suits I wear to be a brand ambassador for any of these things if I
ambassador for any of these things if I were to ever launch them. So, I won't do
were to ever launch them. So, I won't do that. What I'll do instead is tell young
that. What I'll do instead is tell young men to become successful, make enough
men to become successful, make enough money so you can wear a Savalro suit and
money so you can wear a Savalro suit and smoke a Cohiba. That's what I do. So
smoke a Cohiba. That's what I do. So whiskey is my second drink of choice.
whiskey is my second drink of choice. I'm a whiskey or tequila guy. But
I'm a whiskey or tequila guy. But whiskey, you can't compete in the market
whiskey, you can't compete in the market anywhere near to the level you could
anywhere near to the level you could compete with tequila. With tequila,
compete with tequila. With tequila, there's a bunch of people in Mexico
there's a bunch of people in Mexico making tequila with all their slightly
making tequila with all their slightly different recipes. And if you can win
different recipes. And if you can win the bidding war, you could sell the best
the bidding war, you could sell the best product on the market, which is what I'm
product on the market, which is what I'm doing. Whiskey doesn't work that way,
doing. Whiskey doesn't work that way, right? Johnny Walker owns distilleries
right? Johnny Walker owns distilleries and has owned certain distilleries that
and has owned certain distilleries that they include in their blue label and
they include in their blue label and black label and gold label blends that
black label and gold label blends that are 120, 130 years old. They've
are 120, 130 years old. They've monopolized this certain supply. And if
monopolized this certain supply. And if I started making making whiskey today,
I started making making whiskey today, it would be 12 years before I could put
it would be 12 years before I could put it in a bottle. So I'd have to buy some
it in a bottle. So I'd have to buy some other whiskey and slap a label on it. if
other whiskey and slap a label on it. if I was happy enough with it. But in my
I was happy enough with it. But in my spare time, I'd still drink Johnny
spare time, I'd still drink Johnny Walker. I won't do that for the same
Walker. I won't do that for the same reason I won't sell suits and I won't
reason I won't sell suits and I won't sell cigars.
sell cigars. But I did and can win the bidding war
But I did and can win the bidding war and sell the best tequila money can buy.
and sell the best tequila money can buy. And that's why I chose tequila. Right.
And that's why I chose tequila. Right. And is is this brand launched? Can you
And is is this brand launched? Can you mention it? Well, you could you can buy
mention it? Well, you could you can buy it. You can pre-order it right now. By
it. You can pre-order it right now. By the time this podcast goes out, you
the time this podcast goes out, you should be able to pre-order it
should be able to pre-order it worldwide. And you're going to see it in
worldwide. And you're going to see it in stores, clubs, bars, everything
stores, clubs, bars, everything worldwide within the next few months.
worldwide within the next few months. And Talisman Tequila. There you go.
And Talisman Tequila. There you go. Which is one a very cool name. And
Which is one a very cool name. And everyone knows Talisman is my nickname
everyone knows Talisman is my nickname anyway. So it works very well. Perfect
anyway. So it works very well. Perfect way to end. Tristan. Thank you very
way to end. Tristan. Thank you very much. No problem at all, Rob. Thank you.
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