0:00 There's a 90% chance that I win and
0:02 there's a 10% chance that I'm fully
0:04 devastated. Oh my god. Sometimes I watch
0:07 myself on stream back and I'm like,
0:10 "What the is wrong with you?"
0:13 You you What's the most money you've
0:15 ever lost in a single night? I lost
0:17 200,000 last night. Well, it's like easy
0:19 come easy go, you know? Like the most I
0:21 ever made was 2 million something in
0:24 like 48 hours. This is the greatest
0:25 gambling run of all time. This is
0:26 already I don't need to do anymore. How
0:28 would you rate your finances? 1 to 10.
0:30 10 100%. If you looked at a chart of my
0:32 finances, it would be outperforming
0:34 Warren Buffett.
0:36 There's no saving though. You don't save
0:38 at all. I save in the sense of I spent
0:41 $100,000 on this watch and I could sell
0:43 it for probably 80,000. Now, what about
0:45 the idea of saving and investing on the
0:47 side? What the am I going to do with
0:49 $100 million when I'm 70 years old? I'm
0:51 entering the danger zone. Do you think
0:53 you're addicted to gambling? I don't
0:54 think gamblers and honest has ever seen
0:56 a beast like me.
1:04 Togei Shane, thank you so much for
1:07 coming on the ice coffee hour. Got a
1:08 question for you. Why do people call you
1:10 the evil Sam Solic? Well, dude, it's
1:13 like he's just the exact opposite of me.
1:16 Doesn't go out, doesn't talk to nobody,
1:18 but we're both jacked. We both love the
1:20 gym. Like at our core, we're gym bros,
1:22 but I also embark on he's getting an
1:24 engineering degree and I'm getting a
1:27 degree in like whatever. So, it's the
1:30 complete opposites, but we're both like
1:32 two of the bigger fitness influencers. I
1:34 was researching for this podcast as I
1:36 was driving from Vegas to LA and I
1:38 watched you for probably 8 hours. Like,
1:41 no joke, 8 hours. I started at your
1:43 first video and made my way through.
1:46 Holy crap, they're First of all, they're
1:48 good videos. They're really addicting.
1:50 And it was interesting meeting you in
1:51 person because I had this idea that you
1:54 would come in like really over the top.
1:56 He was honestly horrified. He was like
1:58 he's like, "How many people do you think
1:59 he's going to show up with? Do you think
2:00 he's going to break something when he
2:01 comes into the house?" I'm like, "Dude,
2:03 I don't think he's going to do any of
2:04 that." A lot of people think I got this
2:06 whole like almost like a rockstar
2:08 persona cuz I got like these change and
2:10 this crazy lifestyle, but I'm the most
2:11 regular kid ever. Just a college dude. I
2:15 have five friends maybe. And I kind of
2:17 like I don't do collabs. It's just me
2:19 and then yeah, live the camera woman.
2:21 Well, we have a video that we wanted you
2:23 to to give your opinion on. We filmed
2:26 with Greg Ducet recently. Let me see
2:28 this. Let me see it again. If you could
2:30 delete one influencer off the internet
2:32 forever, who would it be? Man, the worst
2:35 one. I think we're going to go with
2:36 Togei. Wait, why? because he's promoting
2:39 gambling, recreational drugs, and he's
2:41 almost created a paradigm shift in
2:44 thinking that promoting and glorifying
2:46 drugs is cool. This guy has a lot of
2:48 power. He can go and meet people and
2:50 people know who he is and everyone wants
2:51 to be like Togi. Do you know what I'm
2:53 going to do now? I'm going to take a
2:54 bunch of steroids. Yeah, dude. Greg
2:55 don't mean that. He's just saying that
2:57 to protect his brand. Greg loves the
2:58 Togi clips. I'm telling you guys, Greg
3:00 Ducet loves that. Behind the scenes,
3:02 Greg is a gambler. I don't know if he
3:04 does drugs, but Greg parties. He
3:06 gambles. This is exposing Greg Ducet
3:08 right here. But a lot of people take on
3:11 the internet with the idea of I want to
3:13 make a positive impact. I'm an
3:15 influencer. Like that's what I do is I
3:16 influence. And so everyone that posts on
3:18 YouTube, you're just titled influencer,
3:19 which is not what I am. I'm just an
3:22 artist. Like I entertainer. I make art.
3:24 And they're just fun to watch. It's not
3:26 like you watch my video and you're like,
3:27 damn, I should go take a bunch of trend.
3:29 When I started doing social media, a lot
3:31 of people fall into the trap of being a
3:33 character. I can't talk about this cuz
3:34 brand risk. I can't talk about that. But
3:36 I never wanted to be a slave to my own
3:38 persona. So it's just like I'm just
3:39 going to do 100% authentic to myself and
3:43 then hopefully that catches enough
3:45 attention just being myself and then I
3:46 never it's then it's easy cuz I'm never
3:48 filming a video and I'm like a I got to
3:49 do this. It's always like this is
3:51 exciting. I get to do what I love to do.
3:52 Were you always a wild kid growing up
3:55 like doing stunts? Yeah. But everyone
3:56 is, you know, that's why people like to
3:58 watch my stuff. I feel like there's a
4:00 huge percentage of college students that
4:03 are just like me and they can just
4:05 really resonate with like, oh yeah,
4:06 yeah, that guy also like real
4:08 realistically I'm people come me like to
4:11 my friend group cuz they'll go on a
4:13 bender for 14 days. They're twice as
4:15 they'll drink twice as much as me and
4:17 I'm always like no like I can't I'm too
4:18 hung over like I don't want to do that.
4:19 To a lot of um the older people like
4:22 Greg Ducet it's like a kind of a newer
4:24 culture I guess and they see that and
4:26 they're like this is crazy but it's
4:27 normal. Everyone does like this. So,
4:29 what age do you become old? 35. How old
4:31 are you? 35.
4:34 You just turned 35 days ago. Two days
4:36 ago. So, I'm like on the cuff. People
4:38 been telling me that um they feel like
4:40 during their prime 30 to 40. So, what I
4:42 really liked, going slightly off topic
4:44 on this, your road to 10 million
4:45 challenge was to make $10 million. I
4:48 believe what 30 days initially. What was
4:50 the craziest thing that you did for
4:52 money? The painting I that I sold. Did
4:54 you see the painting? Yeah, I did. I had
4:55 a feeling like that it was going to sell
4:57 for a reasonable amount of money, but
4:59 ended up I got $146,000 for that
5:01 painting. Took me 8 hours and it just
5:03 like blew my mind that somebody was
5:04 willing and there was a ton of bids,
5:06 like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
5:07 of bids. That was definitely the most
5:09 bizarre way of making money, but it was
5:11 only 150k. The most profitable was,
5:14 oddly enough, online slots, which odds
5:16 wise, like RTP, if you're going to
5:18 crunch the numbers, that was like crazy
5:20 lucky. Actually, when I started the road
5:21 to 10 million, the joke was that I was
5:24 planning on just losing like $5 million
5:26 cuz that's usually how it goes. You But
5:28 then I first stream Road to 10 million.
5:30 I accidentally made like a million and a
5:31 half dollars. Like I I guess we might as
5:33 well try and make 10 million now. Like
5:34 the joke is ruined. It's And it's also
5:36 way cooler to make 10 million than lose.
5:37 Why 10 million? Well, hold on. Did you
5:39 have 5 million to lose?
5:42 No, no, no. It would have been debt. You
5:44 would have gone in debt. Yeah, but it's
5:45 cool, dude, cuz it's like the to the
5:47 casino is no problem cuz it's like So,
5:50 you borrow from I borrow from uh Rubet
5:54 and um the casinos in Vegas.
5:58 You borrow it at Well, since I work for
6:00 Rubet, they give me 0% interest. That's
6:02 why it's cool, cuz 5 million. It's like
6:05 I'll get to it, guys. You know what I
6:06 mean? See, but you still owe them the
6:08 money even though it's 0% interest. So,
6:10 they're not forgiving this. No, but it's
6:13 cool. How does it how is how how is that
6:15 cool? Because dude, it's like it's a lot
6:16 of money. I'm 22 years old. I have a
6:18 long time and I my income is like
6:21 reasonably high for my age. So I have a
6:24 long time to figure my [ __ ] out. I don't
6:26 got to lock in till I'm
6:30 until you're old. Awesome. What's the
6:32 matter? 35us 22, however many years that
6:34 is. I got 13 years of just likeing off.
6:38 And then like 34 years old, I'll be
6:39 like, "All right." He'll be like, "All
6:40 right, I'm 20 million in debt. I should
6:44 then you figure it out. But that's why
6:45 it's great cuz then it's like that's
6:46 when the world gets really real. Um 20
6:49 million in debt which hopefully I'm not
6:50 at that point. Then you got to lock in
6:52 like really hard and that's the best way
6:54 to do it. A lot of people say they were
6:55 losers unsuccessful until they had kids
6:57 cuz now you have something that you
6:59 literally like you it's life or death
7:01 basically. You have to be successful and
7:03 if you're in huge debt at that age it's
7:05 like lock it in. I'm sure I'll figure it
7:07 out. I never not figured it out. So, you
7:08 assumed you were just going to lose $5
7:10 million of of money that you didn't
7:12 have, but you ended up on the first
7:13 stream making, you said $1.5 million
7:16 gambling. Yeah, I think um at the time I
7:19 had uh well, it's hard to evaluate my
7:21 net worth at the time cuz like I have a
7:23 Lamborghini, but it's like I paid
7:25 whatever 300 something thousand for it,
7:26 but how much is it really worth? I don't
7:27 know. But I think my like roughly my net
7:29 worth was probably like
7:31 $600,000 at that time, but my income was
7:33 reasonably high. So, that's why I'm
7:35 comfortable losing. That first stream
7:36 you said you made a million and a half.
7:38 That was from slots and stuff. So like
7:39 after this stream, you're now worth $2.1
7:41 million probably approximately. Yeah.
7:44 Okay. And then you decided you're
7:46 actually going to go for $10 million
7:48 instead of it being like a gag of
7:50 financially yourself. Well, I don't know
7:51 what I was on, but I thought I was going
7:53 to make $25 million in 30 days. Like to
7:56 my soul, my core, like I was sitting
7:58 there. I was I'm going to do it. I
8:00 guarantee I'm going to do it. I would
8:01 have put it on anything. I'm going to do
8:03 it 100%. And then as I did, I was like,
8:05 this is ridiculous. Like I'm not even
8:06 close. this is impossible. But that's
8:08 the whole that's the great part about it
8:11 is like you if you are truly crazy
8:14 enough to think that you can do some
8:16 like just maybe can I do something crazy
8:18 if I just try and you really think it's
8:20 going to happen and you go for it you're
8:22 going to get pretty close like the end
8:23 road to 10 million I ended up like with
8:25 like four something million but if I was
8:27 a little smarter I would have never I 10
8:30 million in a month that's just never
8:32 going to happen. I'm not going to try
8:33 and then I would have zero amount of
8:35 millions of dollars. So that's really
8:36 the beautiful thing about like the crazy
8:38 delusions. So you actually ended up
8:40 making $4 million in a month. No, it was
8:42 two months. So 2 million bucks a month
8:43 for two months. Yeah. Did that motivate
8:46 you then to like continue that? No,
8:47 because I'm like 40 days in. I got like
8:50 4 million whatever. I hadn't posted a
8:51 video in forever. The sponsor's getting
8:53 mad that I'm not posting content. And I
8:55 was just thinking to myself, okay, this
8:56 is great that I have $4 million. But
8:57 also like realistically, I'm not a total
9:00 idiot. I'm sitting there thinking, if I
9:01 lose this $4 million, then the video is
9:03 back to zero. and then there's no video
9:05 at all and it's going to be a huge
9:07 problem. So, I stopped gambling around
9:09 $4 million in embarking on less risky
9:11 schemes like the painting. Um, I'm
9:13 making a song. I wanted that to come out
9:15 uh before the end of the video so that
9:17 way I could show people how much I made
9:19 from the song. Logistically, it's a lot
9:20 harder to put out a song than you would
9:22 imagine. And then um I like bought a
9:24 house, but we can't really tell if
9:25 that's going to be a good investment for
9:26 a long time. So, it's like, "All right,
9:28 we'll probably count that for a few
9:29 million bucks." What does your
9:31 accountant think of all of this? cuz I'm
9:33 thinking through it's like the gambling
9:35 that's got to be an impossible task to
9:37 calculate wins and losses and you wiring
9:40 money for Rolexes and they turn out to
9:42 be fake. All of these things that one in
9:44 crypto so that one's cool. we didn't
9:46 have to uh ever like the I think my
9:50 understanding I thought my videos were
9:54 enough financial proof to the IRS that
9:56 like okay yeah this is like what's going
9:57 on but then my accountant's like dude we
9:59 need like what the is this deposit for
10:01 half a million and I'm just like I don't
10:03 even I don't really remember to be
10:05 honest with you like a lot of things I
10:07 do I don't really know and I didn't know
10:09 I'm just learning now he called me the
10:10 other day and he's like the business
10:12 cards are for business expenses I just
10:14 whatever account I just pull out a
10:15 random card. Like did last night at the
10:16 casino, I used a business card, took out
10:19 like $10,000 just cuz I whatever. Pick a
10:22 random card. So, he is super unhappy
10:24 with me. I have not paid my taxes yet
10:26 cuz I texted him cuz it was due the
10:27 15th, right? It's like, yo, like how
10:30 much money do I owe? And he was like,
10:32 it's this is ridiculous. We're still
10:34 working on it. Because if you if you
10:35 made $4 million in a year, you probably
10:37 owe like half of that. Maybe a little
10:40 less cuz you're in Florida. Hopefully
10:41 not, dude. You'll owe you'll owe about
10:44 37 to 40%. That I can't make of that. I
10:48 cannot swing that. You guys are going to
10:49 have to give me some sneaky rich people
10:50 tips cuz I can't pay 40%. I'll be out of
10:53 money. Maybe.
10:57 I mean, we can we can we can be a
10:59 financial crisis. If I got to pay 40% of
11:02 my money, we could we could strategize
11:04 later. You made the 4 million this year,
11:07 right? That means you have a full year
11:09 to offset your income with expenses. If
11:13 you're going to owe this next year,
11:14 you're going to have a $2 million tax
11:16 bill so far, unless you lose the money,
11:20 in which case you're going to use those
11:21 losses to offset the 4 million profit,
11:23 but you would then be still net down
11:25 money. Oh, yeah. We're going to have to
11:27 figure something else that's not either
11:28 of those options cuz that's ridiculous.
11:31 50% of your money. You give 50% of your
11:34 money to IRS. I pay 37 plus another 1 to
11:37 2% give or take for random things. But
11:39 we're also in Nevada, 0% income tax
11:40 here. So if you were in California,
11:42 you'd be over 50. Yeah. No, I can't do
11:43 that. We'll have to But that's not
11:45 really a problem for another It's like
11:46 what, like 12, 13 months? Yeah, you
11:48 could stretch it. Now, I'm curious
11:50 though because you were you were
11:51 gambling and like consistently winning.
11:53 How were you able to do that? Was there
11:54 a strategy behind this or was it luck?
11:57 No, there's no such thing as strategy
11:58 and gambling. So, how how it works is
12:00 the like RTP is like your expected loss
12:03 and you can look at different games like
12:05 what's the best RTP. A lot of people
12:06 will go in play blackjack and it's like
12:08 why do I lose every time? But if you're
12:09 not playing perfect blackjack, the odds
12:11 of you losing are like 80%. But if you
12:14 play perfect blackjack, the RTP like
12:16 over an extended period of time, you're
12:18 expected to lose about 1 to 2% of your
12:21 money. But over a short period of time,
12:24 realistically the strategy, which is not
12:26 mathematically a good strategy, but I
12:27 always just raise the bet until I win.
12:29 So say I lose $20,000 on a blackjack
12:32 hand, the next one just put down 30,000
12:34 and you lose, put down 50,000, put down
12:36 60,000 and either it ends in devastation
12:40 or you're good and you win. And so now
12:42 you're sitting at like 90% chance that I
12:44 win and there's a 10% chance that I'm
12:47 fully devastated and the loss is so bad
12:49 that there's a huge problem. So, we're
12:51 just gonna pray that doesn't happen.
12:52 It's never happened. So, yet? Yet. But
12:55 now it's like now I got $4 million and
12:57 I'm definitely not paying no taxes. So,
13:00 I can You could flee. Yeah. Puerto Rico.
13:04 Well, the the idea is ideally I use this
13:07 $4 million, make some investments, and
13:09 then I won't have to gamble as much.
13:11 Like, I've already lowered How much did
13:12 we lose last night? I lost 200,000 last
13:14 night playing Blackjack. How did you do
13:17 that? Was that the strategy of doubling
13:19 down? No, I actually tried I called a
13:20 casino. I was like, "I need more money."
13:22 And they were like, "No." Because I was
13:24 borrowing it from them. So now I
13:25 actually owe them $200,000. So you have
13:27 3.8. Yeah. So now we got $3.8 million.
13:29 Wait, that decreases your tax bill. So
13:31 that's good. What does $200,000 mean to
13:33 you? Because to me it's it's it's nuts
13:35 to lose $200,000 and just be like,
13:38 "That's 200 grand, whatever." Well, it's
13:40 like easy come easy go, you know? Like
13:41 the most I ever made was a video I lost
13:43 everything 2 million something in like
13:45 48 hours just gambling and meme coins.
13:48 If you can do that, if you're willing to
13:49 take enough risk where $2 million is on
13:51 the table whatsoever, you got to be cool
13:54 losing $200,000. And also, it's like,
13:56 what is money really good for? You have
13:58 security and experiences. And the
14:01 security, you can feel fully secure. You
14:04 can do anything you want. 70K a month
14:06 and you can do anything in the world.
14:08 Everything. You unlimited doctor bills,
14:10 whatever, this and that, insurance,
14:11 everything you need. So after 70k a
14:13 month, it's like this money I might as
14:15 well just like
14:17 it's there. I don't see any value in
14:20 saving. Like what the [ __ ] am I going to
14:21 do with $100 million when I'm 70 years
14:23 old? As 70 year olds in a super car,
14:26 that's not cool at all. 22-year-old in a
14:28 Lamborghini, that's like super super
14:30 exciting, super fun. The ROI is way
14:32 higher blowing your money as a
14:33 22-year-old than when you're old. So I
14:35 kind of after I after my main base
14:38 expenses, all that money is just like
14:40 whatever. But what about the idea of
14:42 saving and investing on the side?
14:45 Building up a nest egg that would
14:47 eventually pay you the $70,000 a month
14:49 without you. Uh you heard of Pepe to
14:51 cryptocurrency? I I have. Yeah, that's
14:53 my investment portfolio. How much Pepe
14:56 do you have? You know, when you really
14:57 crunch numbers sometimes I I look back
15:00 on like a stream the other week I lost
15:03 $1.8 million. So really So you're down
15:06 to 2 million. Yeah, which is I we're
15:08 chipping away at taxes. But either way,
15:10 that was a majority. I had like 1 point
15:13 something million in Pepe and then I
15:15 gambled it all away. Has Pepe gone up
15:17 since then? I don't know. I don't look
15:18 because it makes me depressed. I got to
15:20 figure out I got to gamble and get some
15:21 more Pepe. Oh, no. It's about the same.
15:24 So, we'll get back in.
15:26 You're actually at 2 million right now.
15:27 I guess if you crunch the numbers, uh
15:29 about $2 million cuz that $1.8 million
15:32 loss was ass. How did you lose 1.8
15:34 million? Blinko balls, dude. Oh my god.
15:37 What happened was I didn't even want to
15:38 stream cuz I was working. Well, which is
15:40 technically streaming, but I was doing
15:42 like editing my video and whatnot. And I
15:44 was like, "All right, whatever. I'm
15:45 supposed to get some hours in. I'm going
15:47 to do a $50,000 buy in. Super mellow
15:49 stream." But then once you start taking
15:50 stimulants, it's like game over. The
15:53 second you take any amount of
15:54 stimulants, it's literally impossible to
15:56 stop gambling. So, one thing leads to
15:57 another. It was supposed to be a
15:59 30-minute stream. It was 15 hours and I
16:00 lost $1.8 million. It's on my cake. I'm
16:03 going to put that in the next YouTube
16:04 video. Why would you I know this is like
16:05 an obvious question, but is it easier
16:07 then just to say no to the stimulants
16:09 than it is to say no to the gambling if
16:11 you're on stimulants?
16:13 No. Um so it's a recipe for dis. It's
16:16 just like this. Yeah. But it's awesome
16:17 because gambling at a certain point it's
16:19 not even fun if you're not on
16:20 stimulants. Like if you're
16:21 not somewhat inebriated, it's almost too
16:25 stressful. You can't see the cards
16:28 right. Like you can't make daring enough
16:29 plays to do crazy where you actually win
16:32 cuz dude people will win 30% gambling
16:35 and they'll be like well that would kind
16:36 of suck. It's like cuz you're gambling
16:37 like a total [ __ ] Like if you're
16:38 inebriated then you can go nuts and it's
16:40 way more fun. You and that's what like
16:43 that's the purest form of gambling. See
16:44 I would say like I would try to provide
16:46 solutions like you'd have someone that
16:48 has control over your money and you
16:50 can't request money from them. You can't
16:51 try to borrow money from friends. You
16:53 like put out this mass message. But
16:54 also, if it doesn't bother you, like if
16:57 you're totally fine losing $2 million
17:00 and you're like fully conscious of, you
17:02 know, what you're doing, then there's no
17:03 it's really not a problem. Like, because
17:06 I have this safety net of I'm still
17:09 getting this somewhat passive income of
17:12 just by having my own brand and all the
17:15 sponsors pay me, whatever. I could lose
17:16 my whole net worth today. And it's like,
17:19 at least I got Dude, one year ago, I
17:20 lived in a frat basement free cuz I
17:22 didn't have any money to pay for it. And
17:24 I was so happy. It was so much fun. I
17:26 loved that. Like does does chain really
17:28 bring me like I'm not any happier with
17:30 the chain. I think if I had nothing
17:32 that's like also I'm in my bag when I
17:34 have nothing. I feel fully content being
17:38 poor. How would you rate your finances?
17:40 1 to 10. 10 100%. Dude, I mean who else
17:43 has ever made not who ever, but regular
17:46 college kid frat basement to now
17:49 I have millions of dollars. And if you
17:53 looked at a chart of my finances, it
17:55 would be outperforming Warren Buffett.
17:57 It would be outperforming. That's the
17:59 only dude I know that does finances. But
18:01 either way, way outperforming Warren
18:02 Buffett as far as the ROI in the time
18:05 that I'm doing. And where does savings
18:07 fit into all of this money you just put
18:08 on the side pepe until I gambled it
18:11 away? There's no saving though. No, you
18:13 don't save at all. I save in the sense
18:14 of I spent 100,000 on this watch and I
18:17 could sell it for probably 80,000. So
18:20 that's a safety net. I always No, it's
18:24 not terrible. But this is a good thing.
18:25 I I like the Anything is better than
18:29 gambling, right? So, if I just have
18:30 crypto or have money, then there's a
18:33 problem because it takes me 5 seconds to
18:36 get that money, put it on one blackjack
18:38 hand. If I So, every month I just try
18:40 and spend like a few hundred,000 on
18:42 jewelry and cars and then that way I
18:43 have your house access and my house. Did
18:46 you bullied? No, I put um 700 down.
18:53 1.3 million. I got bullied into buying
18:55 that house. I texted my friend, the
18:57 jeweler, and I was like, I need this new
18:59 car. It's like a $300,000 car. And he's
19:00 like, dude, you have spent $2 million in
19:03 the last year on jewelry cars and you
19:04 have no houses. Like, I'm not selling
19:06 you anything until you buy a house. I
19:07 like, well, if I'm going to keep buying
19:09 my jewelry cars, I got to buy this
19:10 house. So, he's a good friend for that.
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21:42 to the episode. Social media as a career
21:44 could be so fickle. I mean, we saw what
21:46 happened with Steve will do it. He just
21:48 one day just YouTube decided to delete
21:50 him and these algorithms are not
21:52 guaranteed. Do you ever worry about
21:54 maybe one day just something happens
21:56 outside of your control and everything
21:58 kind of gets shut off? Oh, yeah, dude.
21:59 But I'm ready for it. like I'm more than
22:02 excited to or more than willing to take
22:05 on any challenge and if I lost all my
22:08 social media it would be on I'd hit the
22:09 Scheme lab and then it's on to the next
22:11 thing. Like I would let myself complain
22:13 for 7 days. Okay, probably just do
22:17 nothing for 7 days. I'm depressed. Never
22:19 happened. Now I'm back. Now I got
22:21 nothing and now we're going to have to
22:22 do it again. Time and time again. I've
22:24 When I was 18 years old, I made um like
22:27 $900,000 trading crypto. like super high
22:30 leverage. And then I thought I was the
22:32 man. I thought I was the coolest kid
22:33 ever. Started partying a bunch, buying
22:34 like cars, whatever, traveling. 6 months
22:36 later, I was in debt to the IRS for
22:40 taxes cuz turns out vacation in Italy
22:42 doesn't count as a tax write off. So,
22:44 it's like I got this income from crypto,
22:46 still got to pay taxes, which is
22:47 ridiculous. For the record, I can't
22:50 believe that's how that works. But after
22:52 that, it was like whatever, we got to
22:53 find the next game. And I was like,
22:54 okay, now I'm just going to get famous
22:55 and make money that way. How do you have
22:58 such confidence? It's just like you seem
23:00 so self assured that no matter what's
23:02 going to happen, you're going to be
23:03 fine. There's so many people that have
23:04 more than me that are inherently less
23:08 capable. Like I've met so many people
23:10 that are just idiots, but they have so
23:13 much money. I've met like CEOs. It's
23:15 like, what the are you talking about
23:17 right now, dude? None of this. You are
23:18 so out of the loop. But you've got $5
23:21 million. So if you can do it, what?
23:23 There's no reason that anyone else on
23:26 the planet couldn't do it. So comparison
23:29 is good. How do you mean? Because a lot
23:30 of people say like comparison is the
23:31 thief of joy, but you use comparison in
23:33 a good way. Sometimes the grass is green
23:35 on the other side cuz it's fake, right?
23:37 You have to take everything you see with
23:39 a grain of salt. Like a good example is
23:40 that Haley Welch girl, Hakua, everyone's
23:42 jealous. Why is Hakua famous? How'd she
23:44 get famous? She's rich and famous. She's
23:46 rich and famous. That's [ __ ] that
23:47 she's rich and famous and I'm not. She
23:49 got too famous too fast for her own. She
23:52 was famous on borrowed effort. She
23:54 didn't have the trials to prepare her
23:56 for the success that she had, which is
23:58 unfortunate. She her empire was given to
24:01 her and she didn't ask for that. 2
24:03 months later, she does a cryptocurrency
24:05 scam, which was probably not her fault.
24:06 She probably had no idea what was going
24:07 on. She was just like, some rich people
24:09 are like, "Yo, come this way, do this,
24:11 do that." And then now all of a sudden,
24:13 her empire has entirely fallen.
24:15 Everybody would take their life over
24:17 Haktua's life now cuz she's got all this
24:19 [ __ ] legal [ __ ] going on. But 2
24:21 months ago, it's
24:22 like, this is so sick. I want to be
24:25 Hakua. She's so lucky. I think it's bad
24:28 management. To me, it seems like someone
24:30 put that deal in front of her and told
24:31 her to take it, and she's not
24:32 sophisticated enough to say no to it. Or
24:35 maybe on the surface, it appeared like,
24:37 "Hey, this is a fun little thing we
24:39 could do. It's a meme coin. It's funny."
24:41 But behind the scenes, she has no idea
24:43 what's going on. Well, that's the
24:44 problem is cuz she was too famous too
24:45 fast. And like how do you even know to
24:46 when to pick a manager when you fall
24:48 asleep one night, next day you got 10
24:50 million followers. How do you even set
24:52 up that entire like I'm still figuring
24:55 out like how to manage deals and go
24:58 about like what's a red flag? What
25:00 should I take money for ads wise and
25:03 whatnot and I've been doing it 15 months
25:05 maybe I don't know a year. In that short
25:07 of time you can never prepare yourself
25:09 for what she had. How is your business
25:10 broken down right now in terms of like
25:12 where income sources come in? How many
25:15 people do you have behind the scenes
25:16 that help you out? I got one Indian. His
25:19 name is Startac. He's the goat. Togei
25:20 reel. He uh Togei Rio is the coolest
25:24 dude ever. He's the hardest working
25:25 Indian ever. He does everything for me
25:28 other than me. So, the reason it takes
25:29 me so long to put my videos out is cuz I
25:31 plan everything. I edit everything. I
25:33 film everything. It's I'm a oneman army
25:35 and I do 100% of the work except for
25:38 like whatever the my Indian dude can
25:41 take care of. So, um, the expenses wise
25:44 there, it's like I keep that's it's cool
25:46 because I get to keep 100% creative
25:47 power, 100% of my money. Um, and there's
25:51 just like no one can [ __ ] with me. It's
25:52 just shout out my label Destiny. And
25:55 then what about income sources coming
25:56 in? I got um Rubet, Young LA, Kick,
26:02 uh, Snapchat. Is Snapchat pretty good?
26:04 They pay me like 30k a month. So, it's
26:06 like it's chill. Like, for what it is,
26:07 you don't have to work too hard on it.
26:09 There's got to be something else.
26:10 There's no way I only got four ways. Oh,
26:12 and and then technically the most
26:13 profitable thing that I do is gambling,
26:15 but the safety net, like the real income
26:17 is those four sponsors. Do you have any
26:19 financial regrets at all or are you
26:21 totally fine with all of the decisions?
26:23 If I could have stopped myself from
26:25 playing those Plinko balls,
26:27 uh, I would have done that. But as far
26:30 as like genuine regret, um, nothing off
26:32 the top of my head. Tell me about the
26:34 watches, the fake watches that you
26:36 bought. Oh, yeah. So, okay. I'm not like
26:39 so far out of the loop where I I see
26:42 this guy on the internet and he's
26:43 selling like whatever he's like four
26:44 Rolexes, one of them is a Daytona. Like
26:46 these are expensive watches. There was
26:47 at least 40% of me that was like this is
26:49 a scam. 100% this is totally a scam. And
26:52 then 60% of me was like it could be a
26:54 really screaming hot deal. And so my
26:56 idea is everything in my life that I do
26:59 as long as it's on camera, I'm willing
27:01 to take more risks cuz it's a little bit
27:03 funnier. It's a little bit more crazy.
27:05 So, when the camera's on, I'll gamble
27:07 twice as much. When the camera's on,
27:09 I'll be like, "If we're going to just
27:10 buy these watches in case it's a
27:11 screaming hot deal." And if it's a scam,
27:13 then it's like, "Okay, well, then at the
27:15 very least, people get to laugh at my
27:17 pain." And so, what happened for those
27:19 who haven't seen it? So, I'm looking on
27:20 Reddit for the cheapest possible deal on
27:23 some Rolexes, like the Rolex subreddit
27:25 or whatever. And this guy had four
27:27 Rolexes, maybe five, on sale for like
27:30 80,000 bucks. And I uh sent him crypto.
27:33 And then he sent me four fake watches.
27:35 Were they good fakes? What did you do
27:37 with the watches afterwards? Dude, they
27:38 were incredible fakes. I went to the
27:40 jeweler. They had to open up, look
27:41 inside the guts to see that the movement
27:44 was fake. Like the outside there like I
27:46 mean it looks like they they use these
27:47 crazy lasers and [ __ ] now. Especially
27:49 with like I guess Rolexes are really
27:50 easy to fake to be seen. So after I
27:54 think the watches are just out my crib.
27:56 Really? Yeah. Give them away. Yeah. But
27:58 then people are going to be like I got
28:00 this Rolex. I just fake. But it's also
28:02 cool because it's like I like to keep um
28:03 that that was a part of one of my Yeah.
28:05 It's like that was a fun little memory
28:07 getting scammed and it's like a cool
28:08 video. So like things that I do over my
28:11 videos I I like to keep on uh keep hold
28:13 of most of the stuff that was involved
28:15 in all of it. At what point do you think
28:17 you're going to want to have like a nest
28:18 egg? Like what savings? Yeah. I've never
28:21 thought about that in my life. Like I
28:24 guess I'll think about it right now. It
28:26 would be cool to have a nest egg right
28:28 now, but like then I have to embark on
28:30 how much how much do you want as a nest
28:32 egg? How much should I have? I don't
28:34 know. I mean, realistically, my goal in
28:38 life is to have $100
28:40 million net worth. So, nest egg would be
28:44 like what? What percentage of like you
28:46 have $10 million saved somewhere in like
28:49 S&P or something? What counts as a nest
28:51 egg?
28:52 I think a nest egg would just be like if
28:54 you're making let's just random number
28:56 here like 300 grand a month how or 400
28:59 how much would your life differ spending
29:01 400 grand a month to spending 200 grand
29:04 a month and you get to stow away 200
29:05 grand a month oh okay okay like and then
29:07 and then you have this $200,000 that is
29:10 untouched and it just rests in like
29:13 equities or something that's you know
29:15 conservatively grows year-over-year and
29:17 you at least know that like you'll never
29:18 be broke again. Oh, probably once I have
29:20 um more responsibilities whenever that
29:22 comes. Like when did in well at what
29:24 point in your life were you all of a
29:26 sudden like you got a whole bunch of I
29:29 don't know like I guess now I got this
29:31 mortgage that's pretty adult. I never
29:33 had a mortgage before. I got to pay
29:34 13,000 a month but probably not till
29:36 like 25, right? For me, I I mean, ever
29:38 since I was like young, like obviously
29:40 as I've like my income has grown, I've
29:42 become totally fine spending more money
29:44 on certain things, but I think it was
29:47 originally kind of about freedom. Like I
29:49 wanted to make sure that I don't have to
29:51 work if I don't want to. Like I have
29:54 some money that I could make some
29:55 passive income off of and I'll exist
29:58 fine. Yeah. But it's like what's the fun
30:00 and not what would you do if you didn't
30:01 work? Like having to work. It's having
30:04 the option option, dude. Because it's
30:06 like what? Like it's I would be if I
30:09 wasn't continuously that's why I say I'm
30:11 not sure if 100 million is the number
30:12 cuz I get 100 number 100 million I'm not
30:15 going to just stop working and off cuz
30:17 then what do you do like if I'm not
30:19 every day or like every month making
30:22 forward progress in whatever scheme I'm
30:25 currently working on. I would be
30:27 depressed if I sit there for seven days
30:28 straight and I don't do anything. I
30:30 start getting super depressed. And it's
30:31 just like, ah, what a what is going on
30:34 here? Without productivity and something
30:37 pushing you and pulling you to strive
30:39 for more, I think I would be super
30:41 bored. Here's what I would do. See, if
30:43 if I were you, I'd get 5 million bucks
30:45 on the side stashed away in investments
30:48 that you never touch unless you
30:49 absolutely need to. That is your fund
30:51 that no matter what happens to you,
30:53 you'll always have an income between 250
30:56 to 300 grand a year. No matter what, you
30:59 could do whatever you want to and you're
31:00 always going to have so much cooler with
31:02 $5 million. You could just the memories
31:06 like, bro, but just Okay, but just and
31:08 then you could think of the plink, but
31:10 you just get 5 million and then
31:11 everything after that you you could
31:12 blow. I think the thing is that he just
31:14 has he has it's so funny because we're
31:16 so in tune with like like the business
31:18 and hardcore finance and like grind and
31:20 like save. That's kind of our niche on
31:23 YouTube, but you're completely like on
31:25 the polar opposite side. So for us it's
31:27 just kind of like jarring and it's it's
31:29 it's interesting to hear like you go
31:30 back and forth on Airbnbs for like a
31:32 $100 difference. I I have to like we
31:35 have to understand that you just have
31:36 different priorities and that's totally
31:38 fine. Yeah. I think also a big thing is
31:40 like age. Well like realistically
31:42 imagine how much cooler or how epic it
31:45 would be if you blew a million dollars
31:48 on a crazy vacation, crazy with your
31:50 friends. Everyone you and your friends
31:51 will remember that forever. You give
31:52 your mom a million dollars. That's like
31:55 boom, retire mom. And then just like
31:57 giving I would like to just give away a
31:59 million dollars to strangers on the
32:00 street cuz that's like it fills my heart
32:02 with joy and it's fun rather than like
32:04 saving it making 300k a year guaranteed.
32:08 Like I don't that doesn't sound
32:11 interesting to me. It's just a safety
32:12 net. Like safety inherently does not
32:15 sound interesting to me. It's very
32:17 boring if things are too nice. like
32:20 almost that's why gambling is so
32:22 exciting is all gamblers to a certain
32:24 degree love the self-sabotage where that
32:26 was devastating and horrible but that's
32:27 why it's awesome because you could
32:29 potentially like my friend last night
32:30 literally lost his net worth but he left
32:34 today with a smile on his face his name
32:35 is Nate Udi walked out of the casino
32:37 with a smile on his face and he's
32:39 actually done this twice now which is
32:40 bizarre I've done it once how much was
32:42 his net worth so the first time we lost
32:44 his net worth it was on stream and no
32:45 one thought it was real which is why
32:47 because everyone's like oh my god I'm
32:48 giving my net worth like This is soing
32:51 like crazy. This was like he like
32:53 literally he had $250,000 and we lost it
32:55 on one stream and then he went home and
32:58 he was completely out of money. This
32:59 time around his net worth was only
33:02 $10,000. So he took his last $10,000 and
33:05 it was like I'm either poor already. I'm
33:06 poor now. What do you do with $10,000?
33:09 Or I can be super poor. Um so he's just
33:12 like I'm just going to gamble. And he
33:13 lost it and now he's like whatever.
33:15 Doesn't this [ __ ] with your dopamine
33:17 receptors to like cuz you have such
33:18 crazy swings with money and just highs
33:21 and lows. Everything would seem boring
33:24 after something like that. Yeah, it is
33:27 um not good how rapidly the dopamine
33:31 gets fried. Like 3 months ago, my net
33:34 worth was like what I had good money and
33:36 I was very excited over winning $10,000.
33:39 Now I'll win $50,000 and it's just
33:41 like that wasn't that cool. But that's
33:44 just because the dopamine gets fried.
33:46 But that's a problem I don't know what
33:49 to do about. Don't know what to do about
33:50 the I think it's only going to get worse
33:52 because pretty soon you'll say the same
33:53 thing with grand more extreme more
33:55 extreme. More extreme. Well, I've seen
33:56 that with Dana White. He used to be
33:58 excited winning and he's just he's a
33:59 billionaire. The money doesn't matter to
34:00 him. But he used to be excited to win
34:02 50,000. Last time I was gambling with
34:03 him, he lost $5 million. And 8 month
34:06 period of change have gone from plus
34:09 50,000 -50,000 to now plus 5 million -5
34:12 million. And I that's just how it is.
34:15 Like I don't know what to do about it.
34:16 One of the highlights was that Jack and
34:18 I uh got to meet Steve will do it and we
34:22 went to Red Rock and Dana showed up and
34:25 I watched them play Bakar and I was
34:28 entranced by by he was he was playing
34:31 $100,000 chips just like they're like
34:34 they're nothing and just like here's 100
34:35 grand 100 grand. He was up. He was
34:37 making money. Like he was up like 300
34:39 grand 400 grand by the time we left. And
34:41 I'm thinking, "Holy $400,000 in like 15
34:45 minutes." But it's just it's just like
34:47 not it's just chips. Yeah, it is crazy
34:49 how a $5 chip is the same size as a
34:52 $25,000 chip. It's really cool to watch.
34:55 It it it screws my mind knowing that
34:57 that's that's the $100,000 plus or
34:58 minus, but the person on the other end
35:01 of it dealing they're probably making 80
35:04 grand a year. So, one of those chips is
35:07 is worth more than an entire year of
35:10 salary and it's gone in like 20 seconds.
35:13 Yeah. And for the viewers, but that's
35:14 why it's so um exciting to watch
35:16 somebody gamble such high stakes cuz
35:17 it's like I can't even fathom like the
35:20 what the f when I didn't have any money.
35:22 I would watch people gamble $50,000
35:23 hands and what is going on? This is
35:25 insanity. And that's just part of
35:26 entertainment. Like the crazier is more
35:30 viewable. What you got? What's this
35:31 thing right here? Oh yeah. I'm glad you
35:33 asked. This is Magic Mind. So, they sent
35:35 us these uh about 6 months ago and I
35:38 tried them. It's like this little energy
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35:54 I genuinely like the product. Uh we take
35:56 them with us every time we travel and
35:58 they fit in my backpack and they go
36:00 through TSA because they're below that
36:02 liquid limit and I sometimes have these
36:04 instead of coffees so it's like a little
36:06 bit of caffeine but it's not enough to
36:08 keep you like wired or anything like
36:09 that. So I really like this. So if you
36:11 guys are interested there is a link down
36:13 below in the description. You can get
36:14 some for yourself. What's the most that
36:16 you've gambled and the most you've seen
36:17 someone gamble? The most I've personally
36:19 gambled like over what period of time?
36:21 Probably this road to 10 million thing.
36:23 I mean, the most I've ever hit was 1
36:25 million on a slot. It was like a $1,000
36:27 spin. Just big badass Christmas bonanza.
36:30 And I paid out a million. So that that
36:32 stream I ended up I bought in I think
36:36 400,000 and I went up to 2 million.
36:38 Cashed out at 1 and a.5 million. But um
36:41 the most I've ever seen someone gamble I
36:43 think probably. Do you guys know who
36:44 Exposed is? No. He he pretty
36:47 consistently goes to Red Rock and does
36:48 like 100,000 plus other hands, but the
36:50 limits are pretty stiff. Like you don't
36:52 really get to bet more than 300,000 a
36:53 hand at any casino as far as I've been
36:56 let into. I'm sure somewhere people do
36:58 that, but like probably like $300,000
37:00 hands is the most that people like and
37:02 it's like the Dana Whites experience
37:04 like nobody does. What does it feel like
37:05 to win a million dollars? Oh well, this
37:07 is at the time I was doing so much that
37:10 I don't actually remember it. I just had
37:11 to watch a video back and it's like
37:12 holy. It was that's why it's in that
37:14 video went so viral cuz it's such a
37:16 captivating story. I was doing so many
37:17 drugs at that period of my life that it
37:20 was on I was in Mexico doing a ton of
37:23 and I don't the night before I had lost
37:29 maybe like 900,000 I don't know don't
37:31 remember it and then when you're like
37:32 taking on a bender you wake up the next
37:34 day and you just roll over you take a
37:36 pill like you roll over grab some put
37:38 them in your body so that you like feel
37:39 better and you continue the bender
37:41 effectively
37:42 I went into this dream one $1 million
37:45 the next day I invested it into Pepe.
37:47 Pepe got listed on Robin Hood doubled
37:49 and then about 4 days later I checked my
37:52 accounts and $2 million was just like
37:54 there and I had to go look back at all
37:56 the footage like okay so this is what
37:57 piece it together this is what happened
37:58 and that's why it takes so long for me
37:59 to edit my videos everyone's like why
38:00 don't you post more because I don't know
38:02 what the happened so I have to
38:04 meticulously go through every hour of
38:06 that 10our stream like where did this
38:08 million come from and then you look at
38:09 okay so now it's all of a sudden 2
38:11 million what the happened there you look
38:12 at your crypto transactions okay so we
38:14 put all into Pepe and then you know you
38:16 can kind of put the pieces of the story
38:18 together. But it is kind of sad that
38:19 like a lot of the coolest things like
38:20 some people ask me like what's a crazy
38:22 story and it's like I do not remember a
38:24 lot of the things that have happened to
38:25 me in the last year which is why I
38:27 stopped doing cuz that's it's just you
38:29 don't remember like so much cool when
38:31 you're blacked out on Xanax. What's the
38:32 craziest that you've taken? Well, it
38:34 depends on like what you define as
38:35 crazy. I've done um probably every Well,
38:38 uh I did uh meth on accident one time
38:42 and then I was I had to go to the
38:43 hospital cuz I overdosed. So, that was
38:45 like the craziest experience. Um, but I
38:49 mean, I've never injected anything other
38:50 than steroids. I think every single drug
38:53 that's popular. What's the
38:59 best uh good? What's What else is good?
39:03 Um, those are the best. Xanax, Aderall,
39:07 ketamine. Oh, percoetses. Oh my god.
39:09 Percoets are great. But uh understand
39:11 that like that you feel the best on the
39:15 fallout from taking perets for a few
39:17 days like you are in a very bad spot
39:20 mentally and physically like the
39:21 withdrawals can so the better it feels
39:23 the worse. It's not like I'm telling you
39:24 guys oh these are they're the best as in
39:26 they feel the nicest but the comedown is
39:30 equivalently as bad. Do you worry about
39:32 doing damage like something permanent
39:35 like changes? I would be worried, but
39:37 that's just like all of my friends and
39:38 everybody. It's like a consistent
39:40 experience that everyone does these that
39:44 I know. And it's like, okay, so if all
39:46 500 of you people are doing the exact
39:48 same thing as me and like as far as I'm
39:51 concerned, only four of you are up. It's
39:53 like, I guess we're rolling those dice.
39:54 So that's a that's that's dice rolling
39:56 just like the proof concept is there.
39:59 Like I started doing I'd say hard maybe
40:01 I was like 14 years old. So like a lot
40:04 that's what eight years and I'm sure I
40:06 do part of me thinks I would be a lot
40:08 smarter if I wasn't doing that. But I'm
40:10 not I like being ignorant. Ignorant is
40:14 bliss. Like being delusionally
40:16 confident. That's great. I think maybe
40:18 the drugs banged my brain up just just
40:20 perfectly enough so that you know I'm
40:23 not too smart for my own good. I think
40:25 everyone's a lot of people are too smart
40:26 for their own good and then it's like oh
40:28 I got this business idea but then you're
40:30 like really smart and you're thinking
40:31 about all the numbers and everything
40:33 that's never going to work and then you
40:34 never do it like if you just don't think
40:35 about stuff to like I don't think about
40:37 many things at all ever like every day I
40:40 probably have
40:41 like six like useful thoughts and then
40:45 the rest of it is just kind of like give
40:46 me an example of a useful thought you
40:48 had today. No, today was bad cuz I went
40:50 to bed at noon. Um and that's why I had
40:52 to push this podcast back. Usually
40:54 before a podcast I scheme like a few
40:56 useful thoughts. Okay, today there has
40:58 been zero useful thoughts. I can't
41:00 remember the last useful thought that I
41:02 had actually. Let me think about this.
41:04 This is ridiculous that this is
41:06 uh useful
41:10 thought. Um I thought like it feels like
41:13 the last good thing that I thought
41:15 was I'm going to sell this painting
41:18 which was about four weeks ago. So that
41:20 that can't be the case. Maybe I thought
41:23 of a Yeah, I thought I should read more
41:25 books about 4 days ago. Do you think
41:27 you're going to do that? Yeah, I like
41:28 audio books. Who bought the Who the
41:30 painting? Just some random fan. We
41:31 talked on the phone for a little bit and
41:32 he has his story is that he was in not
41:36 the best place mentally and then he
41:38 started watching my content and
41:40 listening to some of the speeches that I
41:41 would give and he started taking
41:44 testosterone and his hormones are now
41:46 level and his income has I
41:49 obviously exploded. So he it's so
41:52 meaningful to him. It's not like he was
41:54 more really excited to support my
41:56 journey because what I've given to him.
41:58 He didn't care for the art. He just was
41:59 like toi changed my life and now I want
42:03 to just be a part of his journey. How do
42:05 you get the money? It's a lot of 150
42:07 grand is a lot to spend on. Oh, did he?
42:09 Yeah. Oh, I didn't ask. I didn't You
42:11 weren't curious. Well, I guess when 150k
42:15 doesn't sound like that much to me, I
42:17 guess like Well, anyone can have 150
42:20 that you could Yeah, but but to spend on
42:22 a discretionary painting from I mean I
42:24 I've spent like like okay an example is
42:27 I spent Steve will do it one of my good
42:30 friends he was losing a ton of money
42:32 gambling and he was in a bad mood at the
42:34 time I
42:36 had maybe yeah my net worth was around
42:38 $500,000 like cashwise I probably had
42:42 $100,000 but I sold a bunch of my
42:45 jewelry and I used my last $100,000 for
42:47 my name to buy my Richard Mill cuz he
42:49 was he's just such a good friend and he
42:50 was a horrible woman who's like, "This
42:51 will cheer him up. Nobody gives Steve
42:52 anything." So, the point being is that
42:54 it's not abnormal in my head that
42:56 somebody would spend an excessive amount
42:58 of money to give back to somebody that
43:01 means a lot to them. We're in such a
43:02 different like 150 grand. Yeah. But I
43:06 mean, look, I I I understand where
43:08 you're coming from. I just have to
43:09 accept that different people have
43:10 different priorities, which is it's
43:12 cool. It's cool to hear about. I'm
43:13 curious because you took an IQ test and
43:16 you said that you are like clinically
43:18 dumb. No, dude. that statistic that IQ
43:21 test was right after I got back from
43:23 Cabo. So, I was coming off of a ton of
43:26 drugs. I think that actually might have
43:27 been right after I won the It's very
43:29 hazy. But the point being is I remember
43:31 sitting down at the computer and looking
43:33 at the wall and you know when you look
43:34 at the wall and like everything's just
43:35 like fuzz. You have no thought. You're
43:36 just like brain fog. Yeah, it was the
43:38 worst brain fog I've experienced in a
43:40 long time. So, I knew it was not going
43:42 to be the best. I think I could do way
43:44 better if I retook that IQ test. I mean,
43:47 I I agree. I think for the for the bit
43:49 it's funny, but I mean you're obviously
43:51 smarter than the average person. Like
43:53 you you can't I feel like do what you've
43:54 done. And also it's interesting because
43:56 you have these random like really well
43:58 thoughtout epiphanies and I don't know
43:59 if you're coming on like up with them
44:01 off the cuff or if it's something that
44:02 you've thought about like you're like
44:04 yeah people say the grass is always
44:05 greener on the other side but what if
44:06 it's artificial grass? It's like gee
44:08 like how did you come up with that so
44:10 quickly? Like that would be the last
44:12 maybe good thought or useful good
44:14 thought that is I don't know why I have
44:16 these like small little epiphies that
44:18 you come up with that are like really
44:20 you know you you said something great
44:22 also about like becoming successful and
44:24 limiting beliefs and having the
44:25 conviction that you could do something
44:27 like there are most people think too
44:28 much for their own good yeah there are
44:30 nuggets of just information conceptually
44:32 that's not that difficult like
44:34 understanding like conceptually that
44:36 like people I don't think would come up
44:37 with something like that like that's
44:38 like that takes like a different level
44:40 of metacognition. You're like thinking
44:41 about thinking. I spend a lot of time
44:43 like consciously thinking. Like I'll try
44:46 and I I'm worse about it now, but I used
44:49 to spend like 15 minutes a day and I
44:52 would stare at a wall and they just
44:53 think cuz and you don't have to force
44:55 thoughts. Like everybody has incredible
44:57 thoughts in their brain but they're too
44:59 distracted because they're scrolling.
45:00 They're too afraid to let their thoughts
45:02 happen. And then a lot of people try to
45:04 think for a couple minutes and like it's
45:06 not working. I'm going to give up on it.
45:07 But if you sit there and just stare at
45:09 your watch for 5 minutes, you all of a
45:12 sudden you're, "Oh, I never realized
45:13 that about the watch." It just comes to
45:15 you. It's very natural for humans to
45:16 think. But in every today's society, all
45:18 the that like makes you obsessed with
45:21 dopamine or whatever makes it hard to
45:22 think. But if you spend even 5 10 15
45:25 minutes a day thinking, I guess have
45:28 elevated above what a lot of people and
45:31 I don't think my brain processes nearly
45:32 as fast as like what's that the
45:34 definition of a genius is someone that
45:35 can process information a lot faster
45:37 than whatever the average person but it
45:38 only takes 15 minutes of like my slow
45:41 CPU churning to come up with whatever
45:44 these ideas that I speak. So, what's
45:47 your advice to young people who feel
45:48 like just the price of everything's
45:50 going up, opportunities are hard to come
45:52 by, and they want to be successful. It's
45:54 not that you want to be successful, it's
45:57 that you have to be successful every
45:59 day. You, okay, I'll put it this way.
46:02 When you end your life, you're either
46:04 living your fears or your dreams. And
46:06 the fears being you never reached your
46:08 fullest potential. You never took care
46:09 of your kids. You never retire retired
46:12 your mother. You never treated your
46:13 friends right with everything that they
46:15 deserved. And then your dreams is
46:16 whatever your dreams might be. And every
46:19 single day the sun comes up and that's a
46:21 day that you're either watching Rick and
46:23 Morty smoking which is feeding your
46:26 fears or every day you're headed towards
46:29 your dreams. So there's no I want to be
46:32 successful. You have to and all you can
46:34 do is that day make sure that you're on
46:38 the side of the dreams. It might not
46:41 feel like you're making that much
46:44 progress, but if you go to the gym that
46:46 day, you get your meals in, and you
46:48 spend time like alone with your
46:50 thoughts. That's not much, but you're on
46:52 your way to your dreams. Everyone
46:53 thinks, "How the am I going to make $10
46:56 million? How how am I going to I can't
46:58 get a house cuz it's so expensive." And
46:59 then they start thinking this is a part
47:01 of the reason being too smart is no good
47:04 because you're way overanalyzing this
47:06 massive problem because the more you
47:08 think about anything there's a billion
47:09 problems with it. But if you just simp
47:12 make it super simple today I'm going to
47:15 work out and spend time with my own
47:18 thoughts. You're in the right direction.
47:19 So don't take it so the problem is huge,
47:22 but just chip away one day at a time and
47:24 don't even you don't even need to think
47:25 about the end goal of having a house
47:28 every day. Like you have that initial
47:30 thought and you're like, "All right, now
47:31 that's on the pin board and every day
47:33 we're just going to slowly work to
47:35 better myself." And what do you think
47:36 holds most people back? The idea that
47:38 it's too big of a goal. So it's like
47:40 this is just everyone says I can't get a
47:43 house cuz it's too expensive and that's
47:45 what they say. They didn't get a house
47:46 cuz whatever. And I'm not even You know
47:48 what? I'm just going to get a regular
47:50 job cuz it's and it's not even worth
47:52 trying. But I'm the perfect example
47:55 of regular Joe with below average, not
47:58 necessarily below average, but pretty
48:00 average tools. Like I'm nothing not
48:01 special by any means and I found a
48:05 reasonable amount of success. So if I
48:07 can do it, why not you? Here's what I'll
48:09 say uh about you. You have you have two
48:11 really great qualities about you. One is
48:13 you don't overthink things and whatever
48:16 pops into your mind, you're just going
48:17 to go and do it without doubting
48:19 yourself. So I think that's really
48:20 important. You have that. The other
48:22 thing you have is that you picked I
48:24 think the right lane at the right time
48:28 for your personality because you're
48:30 really entertaining. like that first
48:32 video you posted is so unbelievably good
48:35 that it's just like you can't help but
48:37 keep watching it because every moment
48:40 there's just like another like people I
48:42 I think watch to expect you to like
48:44 crash out at some point. They just want
48:45 to see like oh what what's he going to
48:46 do now? What's he and you keep people on
48:48 edge and you're really really really
48:50 good on camera. Like your your hand
48:51 movements and the way you speak it's
48:53 like that's engaging. Like it it kept me
48:55 up. I was driving late in the car and
48:57 your videos are getting me amped up at
48:58 like 1:00 in the morning as I'm driving.
49:00 I didn't know I was good at YouTube. I
49:02 didn't know I was good at making content
49:04 until uh somebody one day said, "Oh,
49:06 you're funny. You shouldn't make a
49:07 YouTube video." I have never met once in
49:10 my entire life like a person that's not
49:12 good at like a useless person. Everyone
49:14 is phenomenal at at least one thing, but
49:18 people just don't know what they're
49:19 sitting on. Like inherently, you're
49:20 gold. you just think you're a piece of
49:22 [ __ ] because you're embarking on all the
49:25 wrong journeys and then it's a negative
49:28 spiral. You're going like the more you
49:30 fail, the more you think you're a piece
49:31 of [ __ ] But you just need to try enough
49:33 new things and eventually you're going
49:35 to find that you're incredible. And
49:37 that's what like I tell a lot of young
49:38 people like you're not a loser. You're
49:40 just not doing what you're meant to be.
49:42 Everyone is top 1% at at least one
49:46 thing. Really, if you've ever worked a
49:49 40hour week, that's not easy. Like, you
49:51 know how to work really hard. But people
49:53 don't give them that that credit to
49:54 themselves cuz they're like, "Ah,
49:55 whatever. I only made $1,000 last week.
49:58 I'm a piece." You woke up at 5:00 a.m.
49:59 every day. I couldn't do that. You just
50:02 out you outdid me. Even though I have
50:03 more money than you outdid me in hard
50:05 work, you know? So, everyone has
50:07 something. And what if they want to be
50:08 rich? What if that's their goal? What's
50:10 your advice to those people? Don't try
50:12 and be rich because that's when you get
50:16 lost in you get too focused on the end
50:19 goal. You will get rich if you become
50:22 the best at what you love. For example,
50:24 that dude that what's that movie the the
50:26 dude that climbs rocks and he does it
50:28 with Alex Honolul. I don't know. Either
50:30 way, no one would expect I'm going to
50:31 climb on thising rock so good that I'm
50:33 gonna be a millionaire. That guy is a
50:35 millionaire because he has a cool movie
50:37 now and he's like the best at climbing
50:38 rocks. I guarantee you he never once was
50:40 thinking, I'm gonna climb on this rock
50:43 for the money. So, you just have to be
50:44 focused on your passion and become the
50:46 best at it. And the money, as far as my
50:48 experience goes, just like falls into
50:49 your hands once you're doing something
50:51 that you like. Would you say that money
50:53 has changed you at all or that you're
50:54 happier with money? Like once you get to
50:57 say maybe 50k a month, then you can
51:00 really do everything. And then the money
51:02 beyond 50k a month doesn't add. Like I
51:05 do not feel happier because I'm wearing
51:07 half a million dollars of jewelry. But I
51:09 do feel happier that I have 50K a month.
51:11 I can take my friends on a vacation and
51:12 my mother out to a nice dinner. That's
51:14 the really where the money is valuable.
51:16 Um, as far as money changing me, no, I
51:19 always had a lot of people think it's
51:20 like I talk about money and I have a big
51:22 ego. I always had a really big ego and
51:24 knew where I was going. I just never
51:26 talked about it cuz the proof of concept
51:28 wasn't there. Nobody wants to hear
51:29 somebody that's living in a front
51:30 basement talk about I'm going to be so
51:32 rich one day you guys have no [ __ ]
51:33 idea. But now that I have the money, I
51:35 feel more confident in talking about
51:38 money cuz you know the proof of concept
51:40 is there. There's credibility. Um, so I
51:42 don't think it's changed me at all. How
51:43 did you get started gambling? What was
51:46 the first time you you did that? Oh,
51:48 dude, I must have been like 15 years old
51:49 that I can't even really online casinos
51:52 is where everybody like all me and all
51:54 my friends at high school is like,
51:55 "Let's bet on Well, I guess it would
51:58 start with betting directly against my
52:00 friend. I bet you $5 this." And it's
52:01 like, "Okay, that was cool. I just won
52:02 $10. I didn't have to do anything.
52:03 That's cool. I remember the first time
52:05 me and my friends opened up an online
52:07 casino was one of the most fun nights we
52:10 have ever had. We gambled $20 and it
52:12 lasted us about 4 hours and we went up
52:14 to 100 down and it was such a special
52:17 memory to me. Like the second I gambled
52:19 for the first time, I knew that I'm
52:20 going to do this for the rest of my
52:21 life. This is incredible. And what was
52:23 the most happy you've been for a win
52:25 that you remember? Gambling is best when
52:27 you're broke because then it's like
52:29 you're either not eating that day or
52:32 you're gonna eat steak. And so it was um
52:36 we did a $1,000 Plinko ball. Me and my
52:38 three friends split it and it hit a 9x.
52:40 So we made $9,000 and at the time I
52:42 didn't have rent money. So I had rent
52:43 money for 3 days and that was like the
52:46 peak. I've never been happier in my
52:47 entire life and I only won $3,000. It
52:51 was probably It felt probably 10 times
52:53 better to win that $3,000 than it did to
52:55 feel win whatever my biggest win is like
52:57 a million something. Do you feel like
52:58 you're constantly chasing that feeling
53:01 though? 100%. But I've accepted that
53:02 I'll never feel that unless I get go
53:05 broke again, which is exciting. That's a
53:07 productive thought that I just had. I
53:09 shouldn't be afraid of going broke
53:10 because life is more potent when you're
53:13 broke. The stakes are higher cuz I don't
53:15 have the safety net of at least I got a
53:17 bed to go sleep on. At least I can eat
53:20 food tonight. Like I go after this if I
53:22 lose a million dollars at the casino, at
53:23 least I can go out to dinner still. But
53:25 if you're broke and you're gambling,
53:27 then it's just
53:28 like life is so much more exhilarating
53:31 with everything else. Maybe it just
53:32 gives you motivation. If you have lose
53:35 everything that there's only up. If you
53:37 feel like you have nothing going for
53:38 you, you have nothing to lose. So, might
53:41 as well go for it. Do it all. When would
53:43 you say you were most broke? After I
53:45 made the million dollars when I was 18.
53:47 I think I owed the government maybe like
53:50 $200,000 and I had $13,000 in my bank
53:55 account. So that was probably my
53:56 brokeest. So how how long did it take to
53:57 recover from that? Well, I took that
53:59 $13,000 and I put it into Pepe 2 days
54:01 after it launched and then it turned
54:02 into a million dollars over like maybe
54:05 eight months. So it was like eight
54:06 months. Dude, I need financial advice
54:08 from you. I think that was Pepe. But you
54:10 know what's funny is the reason I like
54:12 Pepe so much is because of that
54:13 experience. And it's funny that I bought
54:15 Pepe because I would have never done
54:18 that, but I was just on the I was just
54:19 like, I'm [ __ ] Like, I am so [ __ ]
54:22 I don't even know how I'm going to get
54:23 this $200,000. So, I was I was
54:25 effectively full tilt, but life full
54:27 tilt on life. So, I was like, I guess
54:29 I'm just going to put I'm going to pick
54:30 a random meme coin and I'm going to put
54:32 my entire net worth into it and pray.
54:34 And I scrolling through the meme coins
54:35 like, oh, Pepe the Frog, that's funny.
54:37 Picked that one and then now it's like
54:39 worth what, $6 billion. And I invested
54:41 in it was worth like 30 million. So that
54:44 was just pure luck. I don't Do you feel
54:46 like you have like an angel or something
54:48 looking over you? Just like a lot of
54:49 people say toi's got plot armor cuz
54:51 somehow it always just works out. But
54:53 also I think that's the plot armor comes
54:57 from being so willing and confident like
55:01 manifestation is a very like the law of
55:03 attraction is very real thing. If you
55:05 can taste it, if you can see something
55:07 is so real that you can taste it. I
55:08 don't know why or how that works but it
55:09 comes your way. So, I think the mindset
55:13 and me being so um in touch with what I
55:18 want and attracting the things that I
55:20 desire has given me this like quote
55:22 unquote plot armor. Do you think you're
55:24 addicted to gambling? Yes. I think I I
55:26 don't think I don't think Gamblers
55:28 Anonymous has ever seen a beast like me.
55:30 I swear I it's sometimes I watch myself
55:32 on stream back and I'm I'm like, "What
55:34 the is wrong with you?" Cuz I don't
55:36 think I could go maybe 48 hours without
55:38 gambling. like it is I'm full on have to
55:41 gamble all the time but it's also
55:42 awesome like me and all my friends are
55:45 also addicted to gambling and it's like
55:46 a very fun experience and um we have a
55:49 very strong bond over Do you think
55:50 that's maybe you guys all enabling each
55:52 other and like kind of just or making it
55:56 seem normal because it's all you see
55:57 it's all you're around if you were in a
55:59 so say you're like feeding for crack
56:01 you're addicted to crack you're probably
56:02 feeding for like maybe once every 3
56:04 hours then you're in a room with 10
56:06 crack addicts every 10 minutes
56:08 somebody's we should do some at when
56:10 you're gambling it's like yeah every 10
56:12 minutes I'm sitting with my friends and
56:13 somebody's like let's go gamble so it is
56:16 very enabling but that's it's cool it's
56:18 not caused any problems thus far but I
56:20 don't like I seriously can't stop gamble
56:22 it's what's your plan long long term
56:26 like is it going to be one day you're
56:28 going to stop or you're going to scale
56:29 back here's the thing and this is
56:31 something that a lot of people have a
56:32 hard time um wrapping their head around
56:34 typically I don't think a week a week
56:36 out like you guys saw it was very
56:38 difficult for me to schedule this
56:39 podcast because I you were like you want
56:42 to do this in a month. I was like I have
56:43 no idea what I'm going to do in a month.
56:45 I might be in Dubai in a month. I might
56:47 you know. So I think one my life is
56:49 scheduled out in one YouTube video at a
56:51 time. I'll be doing a YouTube video and
56:52 I'm like taking a bunch of drugs in
56:54 order to edit it. This was a while ago.
56:56 But I remember one time thinking that I
56:58 was going to die because of the drugs
57:00 and I was just sitting there like just
57:02 get this YouTube video out and then you
57:03 can just get this YouTube video out and
57:04 then you can. So it's really like I have
57:07 no thought further than roughly 30 days
57:10 and then it's just like blank in my
57:11 head. Are you afraid of dying?
57:13 Definitely. No, I mean no more afraid
57:15 than anyone else per se. Like everyone's
57:18 afraid of So why why wouldn't you take
57:21 precautions to lessen the risk of you?
57:24 Oh, I would like to do that. And now
57:25 that I have the money to do it, it's
57:26 easier. Like I'm getting a MRI on my
57:28 whole body, figure out like exactly
57:30 what's I need to like address and focus
57:33 on. might get my blood work done more
57:35 frequently now just to like make sure
57:37 everything under the hood is good. Um,
57:40 but then again, it's like when you're
57:41 battling like the addiction of whatever
57:45 it might be like gambling and you want
57:47 to be healthy, like it's very easy to
57:50 fall into a weekl long bender and then
57:52 you come out and you're like, "Okay, not
57:54 good. We should run that back and not do
57:58 things of that nature." But that's kind
57:59 of like everyone has internal conflict
58:01 and that's like one of mine is like I
58:03 don't want to die but I also love doing
58:06 and gambling. So it's like if I could
58:08 give you unsolicited advice, you don't
58:10 have to listen to it. I would create a
58:12 budget every single month or a week or
58:15 day actually that you gamble guiltfree
58:17 and if you lose it, you go down to zero,
58:19 totally fine. But as long as you create
58:21 I've done this before without going over
58:23 it. No self-control. Like once you get
58:26 in the mind of a gambling addict, like
58:27 it's literally like I've tried to do
58:29 that at least 10 times. I've never stuck
58:33 to the budget ever once I start taking
58:36 drugs. like you're sitting there the
58:38 whole responsibility like you know
58:40 you're sitting there and you're either
58:41 in responsible mode when you're like
58:43 this is allucked and I need to set a
58:45 budget and then you're sitting at the
58:46 table and you don't it's that
58:49 conversation you had with yourself 4
58:50 hours ago never happened it doesn't
58:52 exist. I'm curious what generally causes
58:55 that tipping point between like, okay,
58:57 I'm done with Plinko. I'm going to clock
58:59 out for the night or like, I'm done with
59:01 this bender. I'm going to return back to
59:03 normal life. Like, what usually is the
59:05 motivation for you to end those things?
59:07 Well, the 1.8 million is cuz Rubet
59:08 locked my account. They said you're done
59:10 gambling. But you would have kept going.
59:11 I would have kept going. Um, and
59:13 then like the vendor situation is
59:17 usually predetermined, right? Like you
59:20 have a vacation. So, it's like I'm going
59:21 to be here for 7 days. When we were
59:22 doing the Toki versus Cabo video, the
59:23 trip was planned for 3 days and we ended
59:25 up being there for 13 days cuz every day
59:27 we just like let's extend it, let's
59:28 extend it, let's extend it. So, usually
59:31 it's like once your body is like it
59:34 can't take anymore like at a certain
59:36 point of doing so many drugs and
59:38 gambling like you do get exhausted and
59:40 you're just like okay the ROI is no
59:41 longer there. I can now and the drugs
59:45 very quickly don't hit the same like at
59:47 the first day of tok I'd probably take
59:50 three pills a day the last day I was
59:52 probably taking 100 a day so it's like
59:54 very quickly eventually the just stop
59:56 working and you have to take time off
59:58 and your brain is just like not working
59:59 so it's kind of like the tipping point
60:01 is not I don't pick the tipping point
60:04 the universe is like Rubet's like you're
60:06 done gambling or my body is like you are
60:08 done doing all of this and then you're
60:11 like all right then you return to
60:14 reality. I have a buddy who has a
60:16 gambling addiction and I've seen it and
60:18 it it's fine if you have money coming
60:20 in, but I've also seen it get to a point
60:22 where you're starting to like sell stuff
60:25 just to get enough money to like put it
60:27 all on one hand like sell your car, put
60:29 that on a hand, but lose it and then
60:31 think, okay, what else could I sell? I'm
60:33 going to double that to try to win it
60:35 back. And then if you win it back, then
60:36 it's like, okay, well now I'm zero
60:37 again, so I'm going to I'm going to play
60:39 now because it's like I didn't play at
60:40 all. There's so many ways to think about
60:42 how hard he's schemed to get money. Like
60:45 he just needs to he's like, "I should
60:47 sell my car." If dude, selling your car
60:49 is such a pain in the ass. If he just
60:51 used that energy like being addicted to
60:54 gambling to a degree forces you to be
60:57 productive and make something of
60:58 yourself or is like I I need The problem
61:01 is it's never ending. It's like you
61:03 can't be you can't out success the
61:06 gambling cuz eventually you'll keep
61:08 losing. Well, cuz I've seen him up a lot
61:11 of money, but he's justified a way to
61:14 spend it back. Like, let's just say he's
61:15 up 100 grand. Now, it's like, well, it's
61:17 a free hundred,000, so I may as well try
61:20 to double it. And if he doubles it,
61:22 well, now I'm up 200 grand. Let's go
61:23 again. And then you lose it all. Those
61:26 experiences for me are very exciting.
61:28 I'm not unhappy by any means because I'm
61:31 addicted to gambling. 5 months ago, I
61:33 tried to put my car on the bakarat table
61:35 and they wouldn't let me. It's just
61:36 funny like it's such an incredible
61:37 experience in memories because it's
61:39 crazy. Doing the crazy is what makes
61:41 life. The hard part is that I think
61:43 you're young enough where it doesn't
61:45 matter. You're rewarded for it because
61:48 if it's on camera, you'll get more
61:50 followers, more money, and it's a part
61:53 of your income. So, it makes no
61:54 difference right now. The problem would
61:56 be is if if eventually you don't get it
61:58 under control. Cuz right now, you could
61:59 easily say like it's working. There's
62:01 nothing that will make it get under
62:03 control because I don't have a choice.
62:04 Like if you have something that is very
62:09 important to you, like if I if the
62:11 livelihood of even say my dog was on the
62:14 line, I'm 100% sure I would stop
62:17 gambling in the pursuit of ensuring. So
62:21 if you if you have kids, a wife, a
62:23 house, that is so much more
62:25 instinctively
62:26 um important to you or to me at least.
62:29 Maybe other people are different that
62:31 the the gambling isn't even like, "All
62:33 right, I got to lock in and get this
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65:02 episode. For social media though, I
65:04 mean, you've definitely used it to your
65:06 favor. Is there a breakout video or
65:08 moment that like really catapulted your
65:11 success? Yeah, it was Togei vers Cabo.
65:13 Like that video probably made me $5
65:15 million for that one video alone. Like
65:16 that because it made me it was zero to
65:20 viral. Like that was when I went
65:22 mainstream is Togei versus Cabo. So I
65:24 think that video probably cuz at the
65:25 time I was taking like three grams of
65:27 steroids and then I was taking 100 a
65:29 day. So like realistically that's 100 of
65:32 what? probably doing like 60 rolins and
65:34 maybe no maybe like 70 riddins and like
65:38 10 to 20. So, holy like
65:43 were you like drinking alcohol or was it
65:45 just Yeah. Yeah, we'd be drinking too.
65:46 How does how does that not like honestly
65:48 kind of how does that not kill you?
65:50 Well, exactly. I think it took off 15
65:51 years of my life. Like I genuinely think
65:53 that video but it's like all right that
65:54 took off 15 years of my life. But the
65:56 net return on that the the more
65:58 dangerous part of that endeavor was the
65:59 steroids. the for somebody that doesn't
66:02 know much about steroids like half a
66:03 gram is like what people take and when
66:05 you're taking three gs you're in like a
66:06 really bad spot like you better be
66:07 that's what people like the dudes that
66:09 are on a stage the 300 lb crazy looking
66:11 mother that's what they take like three
66:13 grams so when you mix those two it's a
66:14 hor horrible for your heart horrible for
66:16 your cholesterol horrible for your
66:18 kidneys your liver it's just off but I
66:20 don't regret it at all cuz I think um
66:22 well again it made my career pretty much
66:25 so how much would someone have to pay
66:27 you to guarantee take a year off your
66:29 life. Oh, at this point, no amount of
66:31 dollars. Cuz like a good experience with
66:33 friends, going on a vacation, that's way
66:35 more valuable than a good memory is
66:37 worth 5 million to me or 10 million to
66:39 me. You know what I mean? Yeah. What
66:40 wouldn't you do for money? Is Is there
66:42 like a line you refuse to cross? Um I a
66:45 lot of things I wouldn't suck it. Well,
66:47 I mean, maybe if there was How much
66:49 would you suck it for? Maybe. You're
66:51 pretty rich, though. Uh no, I mean
66:54 there's a lot of things I would not do.
66:55 I mean, there's a lot of things that are
66:56 like $10 million. I totally suck 100%,
66:59 dude. Um, but there's certain things
67:02 that like are morally just no good. Like
67:06 if you are really crossing the line of
67:10 human ethics, like I wouldn't somebody
67:12 you know what I mean? So assuming it
67:14 doesn't hurt anybody. Oh, it just if it
67:16 doesn't hurt anybody. I mean, give me an
67:18 example. I can't think of anything.
67:19 Would you sell a kidney? That's hurting
67:21 me. That's hurting me a lot. And I my
67:23 kidneys are barely working. So, as far
67:25 as the harm, like if you're if hurting
67:26 myself is included, there's no nothing
67:28 that I wouldn't do any harm to my body
67:30 or other people for any amount of money.
67:33 What about surgically removing one
67:35 finger for $10 million? Oh, well, I
67:37 mean, and you could pick the finger.
67:40 The [ __ ] You all 10 fingers. Would you
67:42 do that, Graham? You would 100% do the
67:45 whole thing? I'm not an athlete. I What
67:47 do you Every day How many typing would
67:49 be kind of difficult? Is that worth $10
67:51 million for you? 10 million. I wouldn't
67:54 do it. I don't think I could. I'd cut
67:55 off my feet for $10 million. Are you
67:57 kidding me, dude? This is outrageous.
68:00 Honestly, at a certain point, that is so
68:02 much money. And your toes are so
68:05 unimportant. I think I don't really know
68:06 the human toes that often. Imagine you
68:10 how many people like hardworking people
68:13 that deserve money, have kids, but
68:16 they're just stuck in the loop. You
68:18 could change a thousand people's lives.
68:20 I don't know if that math is right, but
68:22 you know what I mean? How good would
68:24 that feel to do that for a month? Dre,
68:27 you're just like changing lives. One
68:29 finger. You'd have to be to not get rid
68:31 of one finger and you could potentially
68:35 save a thousand lives or Plinko. Or
68:38 Plinko. Why is fitness so important to
68:41 you? That's where my confidence is
68:42 rooted. Right. Before fitness, I was a
68:44 skinny, insecure kid. And then I started
68:46 going to the gym. Every man needs to go
68:48 to the gym because it shows you that you
68:50 are worthy and that you have something
68:52 going on for you. Because a lot of
68:54 people don't have anything going on for
68:55 you. And even though getting more
68:57 muscles isn't necessarily like super
69:01 productive, you see that I put in the
69:04 work. It wasn't easy and I got results.
69:06 Like it's the most linear work to
69:08 results thing. And it's very realistic.
69:11 It takes years to see like really
69:13 phenomenal results. And so that when a
69:16 kid is insecure, doesn't know what he's
69:18 doing, doesn't know what he wants to do,
69:19 and just feels like, "Ah, I'm a loser. I
69:21 can't do anything." But then you get
69:23 jacked and all of a sudden people are
69:25 like, "Wow, he looks good. I want to
69:26 look like him." It reinforces the idea
69:28 or it even just shows you the idea that
69:30 you can if you show up every day no
69:33 matter where you started. So then what
69:35 was the motivation for then going on
69:37 gear once you felt like you've already
69:38 developed a pretty decent physique? It
69:40 just I love everything more like more
69:42 extreme. It was like, I look good, but I
69:45 want to be extreme. And the reason I
69:47 took steroids is cuz that's when I was
69:48 really broke. And I was pretty
69:50 desperate. And I was like, I need to get
69:51 famous. And I was like, what's something
69:54 that I'm interested in has a large
69:57 audience of people that really like it,
69:59 that will like a video, and a large
70:01 audience of people that dislike it, that
70:03 are going to make hate comments. Like
70:05 the perfect storm for going viral. Cuz
70:07 before I went viral, I would spend hours
70:09 watching Jake Paul videos with a
70:11 notebook. Not because I like Jake Paul,
70:13 because I was like, what is this guy
70:14 doing? Like, why is it different? Why is
70:15 Bryce Hall so famous, so relevant still?
70:17 How did he do this so fast, and he's
70:20 incredibly successful? You need
70:21 something that people hate and love and
70:24 large audiences. And so, what I landed
70:28 on was steroids. Like, that bigger
70:30 muscles sounds cool to me and it has the
70:32 perfect storm. I might as well try it.
70:34 And uh if it doesn't work out, then it
70:35 was like it was a good journey to embark
70:37 on. But in my head, it wasn't that huge
70:39 of a deal if you took steroids and then
70:40 stopped taking them because it didn't
70:42 work out. Have you noticed your
70:43 personality change at all with taking
70:44 steroids? My friends say like when I'm
70:46 on trend, like I've had uh I had to do
70:49 one deal and there was I had I was
70:52 hiring like three employees for a brand
70:54 and they were like in the contract I
70:56 want there to be a clause where if
70:58 you're on trend, you can't fire me cuz I
71:00 guess when I'm on trend it's like it's
71:01 noticeably more aggressive, more very
71:04 irrational. But like just testosterone,
71:07 I feel about the same. Maybe like 20%
71:10 more confident uh and 20% more driven,
71:13 but 20%'s not a significant marker in my
71:17 mind. And what about your diet? What do
71:19 you do you try to eat? Well, so I eat uh
71:23 like chicken and rice every day. Like I
71:25 eat clean. But I saw in one of your
71:27 videos you were like, "All right, I'm
71:28 not going to go get Starbucks for
71:29 breakfast. Instead, I'm going to eat six
71:30 donuts." And then you go to like
71:32 Starbucks and you'll get like, you know,
71:34 10 espresso shots in one thing with like
71:36 10 pumps of That was when I thought I
71:37 was invincible. Like that was before
71:39 I understood that death is like a real
71:43 thing. And like some of my friends have
71:45 had heart failure and health scares. So
71:48 it's when you see that you're like,
71:50 "Okay, I need to make a change." That
71:51 was pre determining that that was I
71:54 really thought I could do anything. How
71:56 did you still stay lean though when you
71:57 were eating food like that? Was it
71:58 cardio? The steroids like really. So
72:01 what do they do? Just like make your
72:03 body run hot. I don't know how they
72:05 work. I just put them in my body and the
72:07 steroids make you skin shredded without
72:11 I never did cardio. I still never do
72:12 cardio. I eat clean now so that helps.
72:15 But you can you go for like a a run and
72:17 feel fine or n I started swimming for my
72:20 ankle and I swam down up and down my
72:23 pool twice and I like thought I was
72:25 going to drown. I cannot so bad. Well,
72:28 because when you steroids I do I think
72:31 don't quote me on this guys I think it
72:33 makes your cardio worse. Like imagine if
72:35 you were 35 40% heavier. Your heart is
72:39 not meant for your genetics to be
72:42 pumping blood into all like your the
72:45 carrying oxygen throughout your body is
72:47 very difficult. So I started out 170
72:49 lbs. All of a sudden I'm 230 lbs. That
72:51 50 lbs is very hard on your body to like
72:54 keep up especially in such a short
72:56 period of time. your heart is just like
72:57 what the [ __ ] is going on? So if you're
72:59 not training it via cardio then it's
73:02 like when I was on a lot of steroids and
73:04 same with all my bodybuilder friends
73:05 like you walk up the stairs and you're
73:07 gassed after 10 steps of stairs so I'm
73:10 trying to be a little bit better about
73:12 it and I'm not taking steroids right
73:13 now. Um what are you taking? Just
73:14 testosterone which is technically
73:16 steroid but it's I'm not taking very
73:17 much of it. Would you say testosterone
73:19 is like the one if you want like the
73:20 8020 rule you want to do like 20% of the
73:23 effort with 80% results testosterone
73:25 would be the one. Oh, 100% testosterone.
73:26 Well, you have to take testosterone. You
73:28 can't take other steroids unless you're
73:29 taking testosterone because other
73:31 steroids make your body stop producing
73:34 testosterone. All steroids make your
73:36 body stop producing testosterone for the
73:37 most part. So, you have to start with
73:39 that. Does getting jacked help you with
73:41 girls? I don't think girls care. Um, but
73:43 it helps with your confidence like I
73:45 talked about earlier. So, that's where
73:47 like that goes a long ways in getting
73:49 girls, but girls don't care what you
73:51 look like. Top five things that girls
73:52 care about. Um, can you make them laugh?
73:56 How does the room treat you? Like, do
73:57 people respect you? Are you confident?
74:00 And then like, I don't know. What else
74:02 would I imagine girls care about? What
74:05 do girls care about? Well, she doesn't
74:06 know, dude. Because, have you ever asked
74:08 a fish how to catch a goddamn fish?
74:10 Dude, right before this, we we filmed we
74:13 filmed with a dating coach. It was a
74:14 female dating coach uh that coaches like
74:17 men on how to That's the biggest scam of
74:19 all time, dude. That's so funny because
74:21 that's like what a lot of the comments
74:22 on our podcast. never gotten laid by a
74:25 girl, bro. Like, she's never gotten a
74:26 girl. How are you going to coach me? I
74:28 feel like her advice was pretty sound.
74:29 It was sound for a dude I feel like in
74:32 his 30s who wants a relationship. It
74:34 It's very tailored. If you go like down
74:36 the psychological
74:39 uh rabbit hole, like surface level, you
74:41 might get more girls with these basic
74:42 ideas, but when you're like really
74:44 trying to attract a lot of women, like
74:46 if you guys know who John Zurka is,
74:48 really intelligent as far as psychology
74:49 goes, and his whole thing is like
74:51 teaching men how to get girls. And if
74:53 any girl looked at that advice, they
74:54 would be like, "This is disgusting and
74:57 also not how you would get a girl." But
74:59 very effective for So like what is the
75:02 psychology of it? Well, like a lot of
75:04 girls would be like, "Oh, you have to be
75:05 like generally speaking, oh you have to
75:08 like show that you care and like you
75:11 know be like gen like a gentleman nice."
75:14 No girl wants especially in my age like
75:18 no girl wants to feel like a guy is
75:20 fully committed to them. No girl wants
75:22 you to be like head over heels in love
75:24 with them even though that's what they
75:25 think they want. They want to always
75:27 have somewhat of a chase. Like let me
75:30 get more, let me get more, let me get
75:31 more. In terms of like the magnetism,
75:34 that makes sense. But in terms of like
75:35 the girl being happy, like I I don't I
75:38 feel like it'd be difficult to if you
75:40 get like further if you get like if
75:43 we're talking relationships as far as
75:45 like a healthy relationship, then you
75:48 adapt. But to initially attract these
75:50 women, like you have to use like certain
75:54 um methods and idea that are a net
75:56 negative for the woman's mental health
75:59 or whatever and like they're not going
76:01 to be as happy, but that's how you
76:04 attract them. You've also previously
76:05 said that weed you believe is the worst
76:07 drug you could put in your body. Why
76:09 not? Yeah, cuz it makes you happy doing
76:11 nothing, right? Like the problem with
76:13 weed is it makes you so content with not
76:17 doing anything. like any other drug that
76:19 you put in your body, you want to even
76:22 something like ecstasy, at least you
76:24 want to go out and talk to people, have
76:28 sex, whatever, which is ecstasy might
76:29 not be the best, but weed is the only
76:31 drug that doesn't really have a
76:32 hangover. You can do every day and
76:34 strips your body of your thoughts.
76:36 People say it makes you more creative.
76:38 But the only reason it makes you more
76:40 creative is because it makes you content
76:43 sitting there doing nothing. If you were
76:46 not baked and you were sitting there
76:47 doing nothing, you would be 10 times
76:49 more creative. The ptheads think it
76:51 makes them creative because it forces
76:52 you into a state of meditation. Whereas
76:55 if you could do that sober, your
76:57 thoughts would be a million times more
76:58 creative than the baked ones. But people
77:00 are just confused because they don't
77:02 meditate. They don't think, but weed
77:04 makes you happy doing nothing. So it
77:06 forces you into that um mindset even
77:10 though you're intoxicated and your
77:11 thoughts are not clear. They're not as
77:13 good. If you're going to do any drugs
77:15 like is better than like said cuz it's
77:18 not going to kill you. Like the drugs
77:20 can like kill you but in the sense of
77:22 your mentality and your success will
77:25 make you chronically unsuccessful.
77:27 Obviously there's outliers like Snoop
77:29 Dog very successful person but for 99%
77:33 of people it's very very unproductive. A
77:36 few months ago you took what you thought
77:38 was but it was like laced with meth. I
77:41 don't really know what had in it cuz I
77:43 was also doing cocaine and I overdosed
77:46 because I took like I took a gram and a
77:48 half of so a gram and a half. Yeah, I
77:51 think it was 37 pills of 30 milligrams
77:56 that were not real. Well, they were real
77:58 but they were, you know, made in a lab.
78:02 And and how long of a time span is that?
78:05 Um I don't know. Oh, I think I was awake
78:07 for I think I was on hour like 40 of
78:10 being awake when I had to go to the
78:11 hospital. Okay. Well, what did they do
78:13 at the hospital? I don't remember. She
78:14 was there. They just gave me some that
78:16 uh like turn your cuz I was like
78:18 seizing. So, they just give you that
78:21 like shut off your brain and like relax
78:25 your body or whatever. So, that cuz
78:26 their main concern was that my heart I
78:29 was going to have a heart attack cuz
78:30 you're having these seizures. Your
78:32 heart's my heart rate's at like whatever
78:34 190. The main concern is that your
78:36 heart's just going to explode in that
78:37 moment. So I think just by dropping your
78:39 heart rate giving you I don't know what
78:41 they put in. Do you remember seizing
78:43 like what that felt like agonizing the
78:45 most painful thing I broken bones but it
78:49 was well I guess if you think of the
78:51 idea of like banging your hand on the
78:54 table your body sends a symbol like oh
78:56 that hurt because there's a little bit
78:59 of damage. Imagine every inch of your
79:01 body is effectively failing. It was head
79:05 to toe the worst pain I've ever felt for
79:09 hours. I had I don't know like what the
79:12 definition of PTSD is, but I like I get
79:14 panic attacks from sometimes like I'll
79:18 be sitting there and I'll feel like cuz
79:20 there's a distinct feeling that I felt
79:22 right before it happened and something
79:23 will feel like a little similar and I'll
79:25 be sitting there and I start freaking
79:26 out. I have uh I get um what's it
79:29 called? uh sleep paralysis that I I'm
79:33 laying there and I think I'm dying again
79:36 or like having a seizure very
79:38 frequently. I don't know how you define
79:40 traumatizing, but it very frequently
79:43 comes up in my everyday life. It's less
79:46 and less now that I it am so scared of
79:49 something that painful happening to me
79:51 again that I frequently panic about it.
79:53 when you were like lying there and did
79:56 did you did you think that you could die
79:58 in that moment or did you I thought
80:00 there was like a 50% chance I was going
80:02 I was sitting there thinking what were
80:03 those thoughts like well it's hard to
80:05 have good clear thoughts when you're in
80:07 so much pain but I just remember
80:08 thinking like I cannot believe I
80:12 sacrificed my potential because my
80:14 potential whatever you go every day
80:17 you're living you die your fears or your
80:19 dreams and if I died today I would be at
80:21 10% of my potential so that is by
80:23 definition my fears not reaching my full
80:26 potential. So I was sitting there, I was
80:27 so mad at myself that I let myself slip
80:30 up in like the whatever lapse of
80:32 judgment and take this many where I was
80:35 just so sad and angry at myself that
80:38 I'll never get to see what I could have
80:41 been. And then the second half was it I
80:44 was extremely
80:46 um angry at myself that my mother would
80:49 have to live through the the Versan
80:50 because that's like the worst thing a
80:52 person could experience in as far as I
80:54 could imagine. So, it was um just
80:56 regret. Nothing but regret when I
80:58 thought I was dying. Just like I cannot
81:00 believe this. I cannot believe I [ __ ]
81:01 up this bad. Do you think that resulted
81:03 in any like long-term permanent change
81:05 in your behavior or do you think that
81:07 like you slipped back to old habits
81:09 after some time had passed? I probably
81:11 take 80% less drugs, 90% less drugs
81:14 after that. Well, I guess I have that
81:16 was like the most ever taken. But now
81:18 that would like really inspired my I
81:21 need to get healthy. I need to take care
81:22 of my body. I'm I am scared of that was
81:25 the moment it changed. That's when I
81:27 realized I don't want to I can die. I'm
81:29 not invincible cuz I thought I was
81:31 invincible and now I'm try and treat my
81:34 body with more respect now. For sure.
81:36 What about the influence you have on
81:37 other people who watch you and maybe
81:39 some of these things are glamorized of
81:41 gambling and and doing like you do it.
81:44 And it's not like I hide anything,
81:46 right? I post my blood work when I was
81:47 taking a ton of steroids. people see my
81:48 blood work see that oh hey his liver is
81:51 like functioning at 20% or whatever uh
81:56 oh he overdosed he's in a hospital he
81:58 almost died if I wasn't showing the full
82:00 story then there's maybe that's not a
82:03 great influence but if you watch me and
82:06 my content there's no part of the
82:09 consequences that I hide so you can see
82:11 the lifestyle I choose and you can take
82:13 it with I should or should not do that
82:15 based on he gets this fun experience
82:18 But then also he struggles with like if
82:21 you watch my content you can see that
82:23 there's demons there and he struggles
82:24 with what like clearly a ton of
82:26 addiction problems but that's kind of
82:28 like what comes with the lifestyle. So I
82:30 think it's if anything more informative
82:34 that people get to see like truly the
82:37 full story of like the rockstar
82:39 lifestyle. What are the demons? It's
82:41 mostly the push and pull of I want to be
82:44 happy, healthy, live a 100 years, and
82:47 then it just takes one lapse and then
82:49 all of a sudden I'm doing a ton of bugs
82:53 and like doing things that cuz I am
82:55 scared of dying and I will continuously
82:57 embark on habits
82:59 that are like would kill you. That's my
83:02 biggest um push and pull in life. Like
83:05 my biggest struggles for sure. And what
83:06 about having a positive impact on people
83:09 who watch your videos? How do you
83:10 balance that or do you does it matter? I
83:12 I just hope that everybody that watches
83:14 my
83:15 videos laughs like the goal is to make
83:18 somebody smile. I get um a lot of
83:21 backlash and a lot of like support
83:23 comments and the my most the comments
83:25 that I love the most is like oh like I'm
83:28 really stressed out about this or this
83:30 isn't going well in my life. But thank
83:31 you for posting this video cuz it lets
83:33 me forget about my problems for 1 hour
83:36 for 2 hours. for two hours. I get to
83:37 escape my reality and just have a good
83:39 time and laugh. And I also do like like
83:42 if you've seen any of the book of Togei,
83:43 that's my next video is the whole togei
83:45 talks book of Togei in one video. All my
83:47 ideas that I hold highly in my head
83:50 about believing in yourself and becoming
83:52 a better man. I think everybody can do
83:54 incredible things and 90% of men think
83:57 they're destin destined for way less
84:00 than what they can accomplish. So, I
84:02 really just try and push the idea and
84:04 try and inspire people to take the leap
84:07 of faith and embark on what you know you
84:09 truly should be doing. The biggest risk
84:11 is not taking the risk. Cuz if you never
84:13 take the risk and do what you love,
84:16 you're going to spend your whole life
84:18 and it seems safe. You go to college,
84:20 you have a job, and that's what they
84:21 tell you is safe, but that's the death
84:23 of you and that's the death of your
84:24 soul. And it kills me to see my friends
84:26 going through that every day. They
84:28 graduate college
84:30 and they immediately start like the
84:34 world would devour your personality and
84:36 soul if you're going on the path that
84:38 they tell you to like listen to your own
84:40 path. So the idea is that I I want
84:42 people to do what they love and be
84:44 inspired and laugh. Do you ever feel
84:46 like you have to play up to certain
84:49 standards and expectations of the
84:51 viewers and that you have to like
84:53 overcompensate because you know of the
84:56 the demand of the YouTube algorithm? Do
84:58 you feel like you know Shane ever gets
85:00 like lost in toi or do you think these
85:03 are somewhat synonymous? Well, it's
85:05 pretty clear like you'll have a
85:06 conversation with me and you'll see like
85:08 pretty mellow like you thought I was
85:09 going to come in and start breaking,
85:11 right?
85:12 Like I would start breaking if I was on
85:15 or whatever,
85:16 but Togei is
85:19 just Shane, but 20% more exciting, 20%
85:24 more daring. I'm willing to buy the fake
85:26 watches because like if I there was no
85:29 camera, I would have not pulled the
85:31 trigger on those watches, but in my
85:32 head, I still thought it was a good
85:33 idea. And all all successful influencers
85:35 do that. Like you really think speed is
85:37 barking at people all the time. like he
85:39 probably wants to in his head cuz he's
85:41 crazy as [ __ ] but he doesn't bark at
85:43 people when there's no camera cuz that's
85:44 justing weird. But when there's a
85:45 camera, he's barking doing all this
85:47 crazy stuff. So that's kind of like what
85:48 you have to do. Um and when you even
85:50 when you see an intro of what is up
85:53 guys, welcome to this vlog. So like I
85:57 feel very authentic to
85:59 myself, but I just when the camera's on
86:02 in a nonpodcast sense, it's just like
86:05 all right, let's level it up 20%. You
86:07 know, it's interesting. The only person
86:09 that I've met who's the exact same on
86:10 camera. Like no difference whatsoever is
86:12 Danny Duncan. I met him for the first
86:14 time the other day. He doesn't play
86:16 anything up even when the camera's not
86:17 on. Same as Dax Flame. He's still Yeah.
86:20 Dax too. But he's still just like
86:22 himself camera or not. Yeah. Some people
86:24 are just blessed with they were truly
86:25 truly truly meant to be famous. Like
86:28 that you as a person is just perfect for
86:31 the camera, perfect for all this. But
86:33 for me, I found more success in being I
86:36 found great success in being like
86:38 totally totally mellow Shane, but I
86:41 found like a little bit it it helps the
86:44 algorithm to be a little more crazy, a
86:46 little more aggressive. So, yeah. Do you
86:47 ever censor yourself? Yeah, I I don't
86:50 talk about a lot of things because for
86:52 example, talking about sexual things and
86:54 women, YouTube, you can't do any of
86:57 that. it will get banned immediately if
86:59 I have like I used to do like streams
87:01 with girls in a hot tub. Can't do any of
87:03 that. Don't do I'm not racist, but I
87:05 think like racist jokes are funny. You
87:07 can't make those on YouTube because a
87:09 lot of people don't get the joke. The
87:11 algorith or the whatever censoring bots
87:13 don't get that it's a joke. So, I censor
87:16 myself much more heavily than my I like
87:19 I'd say my videos would be twice as
87:20 funny to me at least if I could be truly
87:23 myself. But my lifestyle is so explicit
87:26 that I would say every video roughly 90%
87:29 of the footage doesn't get to go in the
87:31 video because it has to be censored.
87:32 What about like a toy uncensored? I've
87:34 thought about doing that. Yeah. If you
87:36 put that behind a pay wall. Oh my god. I
87:38 hate the idea of um Well, I I'm just so
87:41 busy putting out YouTube that if I like,
87:43 okay, we also now are going to post the
87:45 uncensored version. I that I would
87:47 effectively be reducing my productivity
87:49 by whatever uh 50% and then is like is
87:53 the ROI for me personally like I would I
87:56 have uncensored uh stuff that's unedited
87:59 that I enjoy watching myself that I
88:01 think is funnier but to put it behind or
88:03 like some random website. It just feels
88:05 like the ROI of putting out another
88:08 censored YouTube video grows my brand so
88:11 much more than putting I don't know like
88:14 having a toy uncensored website. But
88:16 it's something that when I have more
88:17 free time, I would like to drop like
88:19 crazy like all of the footage um of like
88:23 my whole career, like the craziest [ __ ]
88:25 sometime. But for now, the growth has
88:27 been so perfect that I don't feel like I
88:30 want to embark on that. Do you have any
88:32 regrets where you wish you could go and
88:34 tell your younger self like some advice
88:36 or don't do that? No, I think my life is
88:38 uh as blessed as and perfect as I could
88:42 ask for. Like obviously the things could
88:44 be better but nothing is perfect and
88:46 that's why things are amazing and every
88:48 mistake that I've ever made has made me
88:50 the person that I am today. So and I
88:52 wouldn't trade my life for any person.
88:53 Like if you could be would you swap your
88:54 life for this person. I wouldn't cuz I'm
88:57 doing what I love. I'm doing what Togei
88:58 does. This is Togei. So no I can
89:01 confidently say that I as of now have no
89:03 regrets. What would you say is your
89:05 biggest insecurity? Oh that's a good
89:06 question. My biggest
89:08 insecurity I I became famous in like
89:12 show like where like dude even just like
89:16 these watches like it's to get attention
89:18 and like I think deep down that kid that
89:22 in high school cuz I wasn't popular in
89:23 high school like nobody like I wouldn't
89:25 get invited place nobody really liked me
89:27 that much and I think that like had
89:29 rooted something inside of me that it's
89:31 like I don't want to be forgotten about.
89:34 I don't want to die and nobody shows up
89:38 to the funeral. I I don't want
89:40 to not have a name. And some people say
89:43 that's like egotistical maybe, but I
89:45 think it more comes from a place of
89:46 insecurity. That kid always got
89:49 forgotten, unnoticed. And so that's why
89:51 I'm so aggressive on like that's why I
89:53 part of the reason whether I'd like to
89:54 admit it or not, that's why I want to be
89:55 famous is because I was so insecure
89:58 about that exact thing. The only thing
90:00 I'd like to get across, at least from my
90:02 perspective, since we are mostly like a
90:04 financebased podcast, I would love to
90:07 see you take 20% of every dollar that
90:10 goes in your account, 20% and stash it
90:13 away in a fund that someone else manages
90:17 that you don't have access to. Every
90:19 time we do this, Hold on. Every time we
90:21 do this, the audience, they say, "No,
90:23 but Graham, you shouldn't try to control
90:25 these people's lives and dictate." We've
90:27 we've ran into this quite a few times.
90:29 who's done a great job at this is Steve
90:30 will do it. His mother runs his bank
90:33 account and he doesn't even know how
90:35 much is in that bank account and that
90:36 that would be great if my mom just had a
90:38 bank account and it's like okay here's
90:39 cuz then I could forget about it if I
90:40 have full control over money. So that is
90:42 something I'm working towards is I'm
90:44 telling you paying someone for my mom
90:45 pay someone 60 to 80 grand a year just
90:49 to control how much money goes in your
90:50 account. That's all it is. So all the
90:52 money funnels into one account they
90:54 disperse it to you. That's it. And they
90:56 keep 20%. great idea, but I've just I'm
91:01 just lazy. Like at the end I should, but
91:03 every time I'm like, "Okay, like what's
91:05 on the list of priorities today?" I wake
91:06 up and that's it on the pin board, but
91:10 making a YouTube video is always number
91:13 one. So, so much of my life gets
91:15 neglected because make a YouTube video
91:17 and then all of a sudden I spent 10
91:18 hours making a YouTube video that day
91:20 and then I kind of just forget. That'll
91:22 be your biggest ROI. You'll see it 10
91:24 years from now. You'll be like, "Holy,
91:25 there's $10 million. there's $10 million
91:27 in the account and I had no idea. And
91:29 they're going to say, "Well, great. Now
91:30 it's in a trust and it's going to give
91:32 you x amount every single month." Yeah,
91:34 that idea is correct. It just gets
91:36 forgotten about cuz it's boring. Like
91:38 fundamentally, it's responsible. That's
91:40 what it is. Things that are responsible
91:41 and boring to me. Like it for some
91:43 reason, I just don't think about it too
91:45 often. I don't know if it's cuz I'm
91:46 young, but I just don't really Why can't
91:48 you shift your mindset to think that's
91:50 cool? It's cool to like save a little
91:52 money. I think what is cool is you think
91:55 saving money is cool. I think tremble
91:57 alone is cool. Nobody thought trend was
91:59 cool until I thought it was cool and
92:01 then I was like, "Oh, wait, hold on,
92:02 guys. This is a pretty cool thing." You
92:04 could still You could still do it just
92:06 with 80% of it instead of 100% of it.
92:09 No, but the idea of Yeah. I I do I don't
92:12 know. I don't know why I think the way I
92:13 do. I I I just Would you would you take
92:16 my suggestion to heart and maybe like
92:18 look into it or no? I mean, I could say
92:20 yes to your face, but after I'm going to
92:23 go home and nothing is going to change
92:26 because here's the thing is like you're
92:28 leading me to water, but yeah, you can't
92:30 make me drink. And I even though I know
92:33 I should, that's just part of like
92:36 admitting my flaws as a human is like
92:37 there's just no way that's going to
92:38 happen. How about this? You have my
92:40 number. I'm I'm a text away. if I could
92:43 ever help you at some point in the
92:45 future. Okay, I appreciate that. The
92:47 doors open for as long as you want it.
92:49 Eventually I something will happen that
92:51 wakes me up and it's like, holy, I
92:53 should have been saving that whole time.
92:54 And so there's probably going to be a
92:56 phase of devastation in my life. I could
92:57 imagine which I'm prepared for and I'm
92:58 excited about. And then after that,
93:00 maybe it's like, okay, let's get the
93:01 building blocks correct. Listen, even if
93:03 it's 5 years from now and you shoot a
93:04 text be like, hey man, it's here. I'm
93:07 down bad right now. Please, can I borrow
93:10 50? Flinko's hot tonight. Oh my god. Now
93:13 that I got your number and you're super
93:14 wealthy, you might be getting calls. I
93:16 mean, I need like 10. It happens
93:18 frequently where I wake up the next day
93:20 from being really drunk and I called
93:21 about 30 people on my phone number and
93:23 asking for like hundred something,000. I
93:26 wouldn't I wouldn't do that. How how
93:27 much cash do you have? I would consider
93:29 it. I saw you paid back with pretty good
93:30 interest to one of your friends. You
93:32 know what? I always pay back I I always
93:35 make it a priority to pay people back
93:36 with at least like I give them at least
93:38 20% every time just cuz it's like, "Oh,
93:40 that was really nice of you to give me
93:41 money when I was drunk gambling." I
93:43 don't think the money is important
93:44 whatsoever. I think the main thing is
93:45 just that you're safe. I like you're I
93:47 think you're a really cool, super nice
93:49 guy. You didn't come in here and snap
93:51 down to earth like Graham. Yeah. You're
93:52 just like a normal watching your videos
93:54 so over the top. Yeah. I'm a regular
93:57 dude and that's why it's incredible.
93:58 Like that's why I think it's uh I I
94:02 think I'm the most average person ever,
94:04 but I operate at such an above average
94:07 level. And that's why it's like I think
94:09 everyone can do this. Everyone can.
94:10 Everybody It gets me so excited thinking
94:12 that everyone and anyone can do
94:14 everything they want cuz I did and I'm
94:16 literally like I know better than
94:18 anybody. How much cash do you have on
94:19 you right now? Like physically? Yeah. I
94:21 think there's 20,000 in the car. Really?
94:25 Yeah. And check for 100 to the casino.
94:28 Oh, wow. I was about to say if you want
94:29 to do a coin flip.
94:31 Coin flip a watch. No. Um I mean, yeah,
94:35 we can do a coin flip. Do you cash love?
94:38 $10,000 coin flip. No, I wouldn't do I
94:40 wouldn't do 10 grand. You're so rich,
94:42 dude. You have 10. Are you worth over
94:45 $50 million? No. No, I'm not. No. No.
94:47 It's a pretty nice house. Do you own
94:48 this house all the way? No, I have a
94:50 mortgage. Oh, cuz you're all smart about
94:52 it. But you could own it if you wanted.
94:53 Yeah, I could own it if I wanted to.
94:55 Probably the most I would do on a coin
94:57 flip is probably a grand and that and
94:59 that for me is crazy. Realistically, I
95:01 do 100 bucks. Do you ever gamble? Rare.
95:03 200 bucks. Yeah. My my max is like 200
95:06 because if I lose more than that, I get
95:08 upset. And if I double, it's just like,
95:10 okay, fine. I double because that's what
95:11 that's just the difference. You think
95:12 saving is cool, which is cool that you
95:14 think that's cool. I don't think it's
95:15 necessarily cool, but that's what gets
95:17 you excited. Like I'm sure watch like
95:20 I'm sure you get the same amount of
95:21 dopamine that I get winning crazy
95:23 gambling as like you see over the year
95:26 the S&P grew your account that much. I'm
95:27 sure the dopamine if I'm up 5% in a
95:29 year. Yes. That's awesome. So that's
95:32 great dude. Whatever is floating your
95:33 boat I can totally respect that. All
95:35 right cool. Well we have some rapid fire
95:37 questions. So we're just going to end on
95:40 these. Would you rather give up steroids
95:42 forever or give up gambling forever? Oh
95:45 dude.
95:49 That's These are supposed to be rapid.
95:51 That's one of the hardest question.
95:52 That's the hardest question I think
95:53 anyone has ever asked me in my whole
95:54 life. Pro. Okay, here's the problem.
95:56 Probably steroids because um I'm
95:58 physically dependent on them. So,
96:00 steroids. Physique versus money. Win Mr.
96:02 Olympia once but go broke or win $10
96:06 million in gambling. Oh, $10 million.
96:08 But you can never lift weights again.
96:10 $10 million gambling. 100%, dude. You
96:12 can never lift weights again. Well,
96:14 okay. Can I like exercise? Like can I
96:17 just can't lift a weight? I can do like
96:19 calisthenics and like workout because I
96:22 go crazy trying to do calisthenics with
96:24 Larry. Dude, it's hard. That is so under
96:28 like I I looked like a I think
96:30 calisthenics physi physiques are like
96:31 the best looking. I have no problem
96:33 looking like that. So if I can do
96:35 calisthenics, I'll take 10 million. If
96:36 there was a magic steroid with zero
96:38 health consequences that guaranteed you
96:39 the body of your dreams but took 10
96:41 years off your life, would you take it?
96:42 I think that's kind of what I've
96:43 effectively done. Like I've probably
96:45 taken off 10 years of my life and I have
96:46 the body of my dreams. So I Yes, I would
96:48 take it and I think I have. You have an
96:49 18-year-old son that says, "Dad, I want
96:51 to do a cycle just like you did." Do you
96:54 help him do it safely or do you talk him
96:56 out of it? I I talk him out of it. I I
97:00 would be cool with my kid taking
97:01 steroids if he's 21. You wake up
97:02 tomorrow and all gambling is banned
97:04 worldwide and serious and steroids
97:06 vanish from the earth. What's the first
97:08 thing you do for adrenaline? I'd
97:10 probably myself. What's more addicting
97:13 for you? The dopamine rush from a huge
97:15 jackpot win or the pump from a crazy
97:17 heavy gym session while on gear? Oh, the
97:19 pump while you're on gear. It's
97:20 incredible. The best feeling a person
97:22 could feel. What does it feel like?
97:23 Well, so have you ever gotten you go
97:25 workout and you feel incredible. Your
97:26 muscles are tight. They feel good. It's
97:28 like if that pump could get five more
97:30 pumps. Like you are always walking
97:32 around baseline pumped and then it's
97:34 like you go to the gym and then your
97:36 workout could get a workout. The
97:38 dopamine is unreal. If you could go on a
97:41 crazy weekend bender with any celebrity
97:43 or influencer, who would you choose to
97:45 party with? Jack, you got to read these
97:48 off a little bit. Dude, I'm like I've
97:50 had I've had such a long day. This is
97:52 the second podcast we've had, dude. All
97:54 right, let me take over. Any influencer
97:56 I could go on a crazy bender with. Dead
97:58 or alive. It could be anybody. Probably
98:01 uh the Rizzler.
98:03 You guys know that kid, of course. Yeah,
98:05 that would be crazy. What's your
98:06 favorite casino game of all time and
98:08 favorite steroid compound of all time?
98:10 One ad buys injectable super draw. Who
98:13 wins in a fight? You on one gram of test
98:16 or three Greg Ducets in tank tops? I
98:19 could probably kill seven Greg eight
98:22 Greg Ducets if I was on a gram of
98:24 testosterone. Could Natty Sam Sull
98:26 outlift Togi on a come down? Yeah, Sam
98:28 Sulick would get me on that one. If
98:30 you'd be open to this. Yeah. If we each
98:32 put in a hundred bucks and we just $100.
98:36 Yeah. Cuz I figured you would be in on
98:38 this. He would be so disinterested. No,
98:40 no. I'm excited if you guys are excited.
98:41 But but here's what we would do is just
98:42 I would do a random number generator on
98:45 my phone. One through three. One, two,
98:47 and three. And whatever it lands on wins
98:49 the whole prize pot. Oh yeah, let's do
98:51 it. Sure. What's the most you would do,
98:52 Jack? 200. I don't know what what's the
98:56 right number. I would do 200 bucks. Like
98:58 that way if I lose it, I'm not going to
98:59 be upset. Yeah. I mean, I just hope it
99:01 goes to to Shane if it goes to anybody.
99:04 Oh, yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it.
99:05 Okay. I have 200. I have cash. Cash. Do
99:08 you want me to Do you want me to grab
99:10 some I have cash, too? No. No. We got
99:12 some. How about this? You put
99:14 hypothetical 600 here so I don't have to
99:16 go to the bedroom, grab cash, but I'll
99:18 get cash for the
99:20 Is it bad luck that I'm not putting my
99:21 own cash in there? I feel like it's
99:23 There's no such thing as luck, Graham.
99:24 Are you Are you superstitious? No. At
99:27 all? No. No. So, I feel like it's bad
99:29 luck if you put money in that I'm not
99:31 putting it in. All right. Yeah. Yeah.
99:32 Grab grab your money. Let's find out if
99:33 it's bad luck. I don't want to find out.
99:36 He wants to win. Go get the money. All
99:38 right. Just give me a sec. Oh, yeah.
99:40 Here we go. Random number. All right.
99:42 Let's go. Here's your 200. Make sure
99:44 it's not prop money. I'm really excited
99:45 about this. I love this. So, here's the
99:47 thing. So, I love betting between
99:49 friends because that way if I lose it, I
99:51 know one of you has it. You know what? I
99:53 like that because you said that I'm
99:55 happy if you win too, Graham. Just a
99:57 little less happy than if if Shane. All
99:59 right. So, who wants to be one? I'll let
100:01 you guys pick. Oh, I want three. 100%.
100:04 Take two. All right. So, I'm number one.
100:06 Do you want to screen record? Yeah,
100:07 sure. Give me three.
100:10 All right. I'm one. This is awesome.
100:13 This is it.
100:15 Oh my god.
100:18 Yes. Okay. It was his idea. This is a
100:22 scam. You knew what he
100:24 like you would do. Let me see if that's
100:28 there. What's the most you would do? And
100:29 he's now it's two. All right. Good game.
100:32 Well played. Congratulations. There we
100:34 go. So, how is that dopamine compared to
100:37 watching your stock market money grow?
100:39 How was this dopamine you just felt?
100:42 It's a 10.
100:44 Let's go. That's awesome. But but here's
100:47 the thing. If if I lost the 200 bucks, I
100:50 would I would feel so bad that I would
100:52 stop. Like I wouldn't go beyond that. I
100:55 will say for some reason losing hurts
100:57 more than winning feels good. There's
100:59 something about losing money where it's
101:00 just like oh my god. Like devastation.
101:04 Any amount of money losing and then
101:05 winning like I think winning a h 100,000
101:08 feels as good
101:10 as how bad losing 50,000 feels. Does
101:14 that make sense? That makes sense. 2:1
101:16 ratio. I think they actually did studies
101:18 that loss is twice as worse as the gain.
101:20 Oh, that is the
101:22 It is true. So, yeah, if you lost 100
101:24 Yeah. So, you would have to win $200,000
101:27 for every 100,000 loss to feel that same
101:30 Yeah. feeling, whatever it might be, or
101:32 to overcome that. 100%. I believe that.
101:34 Well, this was successful. Yeah. Guys,
101:37 thank you so much for watching. Toi,
101:39 thanks for coming on the show. Togei is
101:41 very cool, but abusing drugs and abusing
101:44 gambling is not. So, we'll all take that
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