This interview explores the realities of the digital nomad lifestyle, focusing on the personal journey, challenges, and business aspects of building a location-independent career, emphasizing that it's not always glamorous and requires significant effort and self-awareness.
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Hey y'all. What's up? It's Marie and
today I actually wanted to share an
interview I had on James Hammond's
podcast, The Winging It Travel Podcast.
I feel like y'all don't know that much
about like my life, like why I started
traveling, how I started my own digital
nomad business, like just some more
vulnerable parts of me and um what my
life has actually really been like the
past like 10 months when I was traveling
that did that big world tour. And so
instead of doing like a solo episode, I
was like, damn, just give me that
episode and I'll put it on here. So,
y'all are going to hear my interview
with James on his podcast, The Wing It
Travel Podcast. And yeah, I'm a bit
vulnerable in there, so don't judge me. [laughter]
[laughter]
And it definitely is like fun to like be
on the other side of the seat. And I
feel like y'all haven't seen me in that
situation before. So, I hope you all
enjoy your holidays. And this is just a
fun little interview for y'all. And I
will see youall next time. I hope you enjoy.
enjoy.
>> Hello and welcome to this week's
episode. I'm rejoined by Marie Walker
from the fantastic Culture Cult Travel
Show and Your Girl Media. Marie is a
friend of mine in the podcasting
industry, probably the oldest friend
actually that I made early doors on
Winging It and has been a great
supporter of the podcast since 2021. So,
I value her time, her input, and her
stories. Today, she's talking about her
journey as a digital nomad. She left USA
with a game plan and a bit of travel
into Asia and other parts of the world
including Europe as a digital nomad with
her own business. So this conversation
is very very honest, raw and will
showcase the ups and downs, tips and
tricks and things that she has learned
on the road and why she's come back to
USA to rescale her business. It's not
all plain sailing. The first part is her
going off on her venture and coming back
because she felt like she had to
regroup. Then she went back out into the
world as digital nomad that then came
back again to rescale her business. So
there's lots of troughs like this up and
down. It's a real honest conversation, a
lot of cussing, a lot of funny
conversations and a lot of stories. But
honestly, if you're looking to go out
into the world as a digital nomad, this
is a great and honest raw story to get
stuck into. So thanks to Marie for
coming on. It's a great episode. And
before we get into the episode, don't
forget to rate and review the podcast on
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enough stories, travel content for them
to come back. And I've got loads more
coming into the end of the year 2025
going into 2026. And finally, finally,
finally, finally, if you want to travel
with me to Al Salvador, there is a link
in the show notes with a booking page.
And all the information is there if you
fancy 10 days in this great emerging
country in Central America that I went
to in 2024 as a solo backpacker. And
honestly, we will have the best time as
a group traveling around the country for
10 days. That's all for me. Let's get
stuck into the episode with Marie.
Marie, welcome to the show. How you doing?
doing?
>> I am doing so good. I'm very excited to
be here.
>> It's great to see you and it's great to
see you back on the podcast as well.
>> Yes. It's been like 5 years, I think.
So, shit's changed. [laughter] Can I
cuss? I forgot. I forgot. Can I cuss?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I was like, I probably should go if I
can't cuss. [laughter]
>> I'll keep that in. Um, yeah. It's been
quite a few years and it's been a
journey since then. And so we're going
to delve into
maybe a bit of a recap of who you are,
travel based stuff and bit of history.
Then we're going to delve into your
digital nomad journey. I got a load of
questions about that. Then we'll finish
with your business, your podcast, and
any other business. >> Good.
>> Good.
>> Did you like that? Cool. Right. So,
first of all, tell the listeners where
you based right now.
>> LOL. What a funny question. I don't
actually have like a full base. I am
right now at my like mom's house in
Alabama. Um, and we'll probably get into
it, but I got burnt out from a tra trip
last um, what's it called? Last year.
And I I was like I was like I
>> That's what it's called. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um, I was like, I need to come
home and like just and just I actually
wanted to work on my business. So, I was
like it's I'm sure if anyone's
listening, I'm realizing I need a light
while you're doing this. Um, I'm
realizing for anyone who's listening
that like building your own business
while traveling or work like scaling or
building a business while traveling is
hard. Not impossible, but hard.
>> Hard. And I think to add to Marie's
statement there, I did the same thing in
2023, right? We went for a year
traveling and I thought I could do the
podcast, maybe some YouTube full-time
and some podcast editing, management
stuff. Absolutely not.
>> That's a lot.
>> Impossible. So what happens is same as
you came back in 20 24 at the start I
was like nope this has got to be the
business phase where I work on my
business so a bit like you got to get
things going and then work to the next
phase which hopefully is a combination
of the both business and travel right so
we both had a similar experience but
you've been on this experience and
journey sooner than I have because I'm
still building up to going to that phase
right so I still got maybe a year to go
not sure
>> yeah building takes time um and that's
the cool thing about
Can you can go abroad and build your
business, just go really slow like maybe
like go pick one country and just chill
in that country and you can even maybe
save money if you live in an expensive
country, but like to to travel how I
was, which was every 3 months. Oh god,
no way. No way could you do that and
like build your business or scale or if
you're trying to make a big change. It's
too much of your energy.
>> Okay, so before we delve into the details,
details,
um, tell the listeners brief history
about you. So, where are you initially from?
from?
>> Where did you grow up? And also, was
travel like an early thing for you?
>> M Yeah, I'm from Alabama.
Um, everyone knows the song Sweet Home
Alabama. Like, no matter where you
travel, you'll get like people from like
Croatia singing it to you and you're
like, "What the hell?" Like, um, so I'm
from Alabama and the like the some of my
earliest memories are get me the [ __ ]
out of here. Like [laughter] my earliest
memories are like, "This can't be it.
There has to be more." And it was when I
moved when I went not moved when I went
to New York when I was like in sixth
grade, my eyes were like every like
everything opened up for me. I was like
this is real life. There's cultures.
There's there's busyness. There's
craziness. And so I don't know if that
was your question, but it was uh I spent
most of my childhood very frustrated.
And then I went to New York. And then I
went to Austria when I was in nth grade.
And that's really when I got my first
international taste. And I was like, "Oh
my god, this is so much better." Like
this is that it was just so one of my
first things I saw in Austria was like
how many sex shops they had. And I come
from [laughter] like Alabama where
there's only churches. So like to see
sex shops and like cigarette butts
everywhere and like I mean Austria is
actually really clean, but like that's
what I remember cuz I was like
>> it's so opposite from Alabama and
obviously Austria is stunning. So
>> does it weird out that people don't have
that feeling of thinking what else is
out there? Like the people who just I
can't get my head around this and this
is a thing I've been trying to battle
with for years is how do people think
where they are is enough and that's good
enough for them without actually trying
to go somewhere else like Austria and
see these sex shops. Right. The first
thing I saw was Germany. Same thing. We
went to a sex shop. Like this is not
>> this is like a different world. It's
only like 2-hour flight. Right. But this
is like on the street, you can walk in.
We got told to get out because we're
younger than 18, but we gave it a go.
But yeah, that's kind of a different
world, isn't it? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I do I do I am curious about
people who don't want to experience
other things. That's a lot of people
from the south. I I think at least from
like the American perspective, I think a
lot of it is fear.
>> They watch too much news. They they are
very comfortable.
And then I have people like my mom where
I think she was just born exactly where
she was supposed to be born. Like she
likes it. She loves her family. I think
people who are very very family oriented
don't see a reason to like travel cuz
they kind of have all their net needs met.
met.
>> Um I guess I'm thinking it's fear or
like they're just lucky they were born
where they're born that they liked it. I
don't know.
>> Yeah, it's tough one, isn't it? It's I
think privileges here, isn't it? Like if
you're from a country that is obviously
not got a safe home, drinking water,
then obviously there could be a big urge
to leave just to make it easier for
yourself, right? But I guess in the
western society, yeah, like what drives
people to go and then what drives people
to stay,
>> they're both completely different. I
have no idea why we are different, why
we want to go and then why people are
just absolutely fine in their hometown,
home city forever.
>> Oh god. Wow. And also like I just love
how when you meet a traveler, all these
travelers meet on these trips. You're
like, "Whoa, we all
>> booked a ticket to this one spot and we
all have different reasons. We all had
separate lives before we all got on that
plane and like who were we and how have
we changed?" And like everyone's
traveling for such different reasons.
Maybe a breakup, maybe hates their job,
maybe like I don't know like you you're
curious about India. Like I don't know
just it's so cool how everyone travels
for different reasons and each time you
travel so for different reasons.
>> Yeah. I remember the first time was I
just need to get out.
>> And I know people will talk about this
like nervous journey from maybe thinking
about it to booking it to going.
>> Mine was the opposite. I was like I
booked it a year in advance. I was
counting down the days. I couldn't wait
to leave. I had to finish my degree,
save some more money, then go, right? So
I had a year to do it. But the the
overwhelming feeling was excitement and
relief. That was what I remember.
>> I think people do get that feeling
though. They're like, "Oh, I'd love to
go. I'd like to go to Mexico, but I
don't know." And then like they'll never
book the ticket. I think you literally
have to book the ticket and then figure
it out later. Like that's how it was
with Australia. It took me years to get
to Australia cuz I mentally wasn't
excited about the flight.
>> And it was so chill. Like it was
literally fine. [laughter] Like it was
so fine. I I just um I booked it. I just
like I need to shut the [ __ ] up and go.
Like cuz my friend's visa was ending and
she wanted me to visit her. Yeah.
>> And um I was like this is ridiculous.
Like it's been 3 years of me saying I'm
going to go. So I booked it and then
>> figure it out later. Like you'll love it
once you get there.
>> Absolutely. Best way to do it. Yeah.
Yeah. Australia for me was like what you
said earlier about oh it's like home but
much better.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Australia it's it's like if
America had their [ __ ] together. Both
have beautiful nature. Both have really
nice people. But Australia's government
is so much more calm and better. I'm
sure there's some Aussies who are like
what are you talking about? But like
listen hello I'm from America. Like I'm
coming from that perspective and like
safe. It's beautiful. Like I'm like this
is guys this is who we should be looking at.
at. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Very similar at least dyn like the
country size and nature.
>> Interesting relationship between you
two. Australian USA got a similar
>> background. Maybe Australia's slightly
newer but both broke away sort of from
the British Empire but gone slightly
different directions.
>> Yeah. Well they had convicts and we had
religious freaks. >> [laughter]
>> [laughter]
>> So, I think that's actually what defined
the difference between the two countries
is like we had religious freaks that
were like, "Oh my god, these pilgrims
were crazy." And then burning people at
the steak and stuff and then like, "Oh
my god, just their clothing." And then
you have the Aussies were just like,
"Well, we were shipped here." [laughter]
>> So, I do think that like comes with the
temperament. Like the temperament is a
bit different. We're kind of like
religiously zealous over here and I
don't think that's like as crazy over
there. Yeah, because they both had a
chance to create their own society. And
I guess the prisoners
were banned from UK because they're
prisoners. They're criminals. But in
Australia, a new country,
[clears throat] a new set of laws, they
could probably go, you know what? This
is a chance for us to be free again
>> from the [clears throat] law and start again
again
>> and create a country maybe different to
what UK is because UK is dominated by class,
class,
>> aristocracy, and all that sort of stuff,
right? So, this is a new chance to
>> go the new way. And they've done all
right. [laughter]
>> Yeah. And I feel like that comes with
that attitude of like they're just so
cool and chill. everything. Like I when
I was in Australia, I feel like I was
being gaslit the whole time because I
was freaking out about the spiders and
the poisonous snakes and they're like,
"Oh, you all right?" I can't do the
accent. Let me let me stop. Actually,
that's actually so embarrassing. Got that.
that.
>> Was that Cockney or was that London or
>> No, I know. I can only do British
accents, but even not really. All right,
let's put insert Australian accent here
that they're like, "You're fine. Chill
out." And I'm like, I'm being gaslip. I
think that's just their their energy.
Like, everything's be all right. you'll
be fine. I think that comes from being
uh the ancestors of convicts.
>> Yeah. I I keep thinking about Jim
Jeffy's skit about the Constitution.
>> Love him
>> because um I think he had some like line
about US Constitution that they think
they got the best one in the world. He's
like, "Don't worry, America. Everyone
else has got one. Australia's got a
great one. I don't know what I don't
know what it says, but we're doing all
right." [laughter]
>> It's so funny.
>> If something's bad or something needs to
be changed, we'll have a discussion
about it. We'll make a few changes and
that's it. [laughter]
That's so funny. I know. I The I thing
is the thing is with America that I
think is incredible is we were the first
>> to be this like guinea pig for democracy
democracy. So of course we're the [ __ ]
show because we're the first. We're the
guinea pig. And then like Europe and
Australia got to watch us make mistakes
and be like let's not do that. So I
think that's why we are such like a
spicy country topic cuz like we we're
the first so we're making all the
mistakes like in front of everyone.
>> Yeah. Spicy. Good word. Yeah, spicy. [laughter]
>> Right, last question before we delve
into some questions about digital nomad
is what type of traveler are you?
>> Imagine no digital nomad. You're
traveling. You're seeing places. What
type are you?
>> I like that question. Like I'm not
bringing my work with me. >> No.
>> No.
>> Okay. I love
to I'm trying to think of like Okay, I
still am bougie. I'm not into hostiles
because I like my own space. Like my
sleep is
>> is king. It's It's very important to me,
>> but I I think I'm like into co-
livingings. I'm really into camping. My
ideal trip is to like walk across like a
continent. Like I would like to do like
I like traveling for long periods of
time, at least 3 months
>> to really like see the changes in myself
and like really get in depth in the
travel. Um but I am a little bit bougie.
Like I'm not I'm not into I'm not I
don't want to share a room with 12
people. Like that's that's ridiculous.
But other than that, I'm I'm very I can
be spontaneous, but I also I'm a mix
between type A and type B, I think.
>> Okay. That's actually what you said
there. Really quite interesting. That's
on my list of things to do in the
future. Is that Yeah. Three month trip
where you just walk.
>> I want to do that
>> from one It could be an area a
continent. Not a continent, but like a
part of a continent or one country. Just
walk and that's your trip. I'd love to
do that. That'd be amazing.
>> Yeah. Just to see like make it actually
I guess I'm more into like journeys than
like trips. like I want to have a see a
change in myself
>> um at the end of the trip and like have
really in-depth relationships with people.
people. >> So
>> So
>> So off the top of your head, if you do
that right, where would you go?
>> Like that 3-month walking trip,
>> what area of the world or country or
place where you going to choose?
>> That's such a good question because it
really depends on like which terrain can
I handle? Like I can't do America
because like you could it could be a 100
miles before you get help.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that would be
like no that's like level 10. Um I think
Europe would be the easiest to start I
think because there the towns are not
that far and you can like you know pop
into a pub. I think level one I'd like
to start there but I eventually would
like to do I like to do the Himalayas in
India because my uncle did that and he
said like you go and camp and there's
like little tiny tents where you can get
like like chai tea and stuff and like
little stops along the way. So I'll say
right now the Himalayas in India. I
think the Himalayas, Nepal, India. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> I think if you just walk and just
whatever tea house you come to where you
just feel like you're done, that's such
a dreamy way to to see the mountains and
the local villages cuz there's so many
of them, right? You can literally wing
it a little bit
>> if you're following like major paths and
major routes and there'll be so many
options like, "Oh, do you know what? I
only want to walk 5 miles today. I'll
stop here and stay here." Yeah,
>> we done that on um in Nepal when we
finished our trek and we were on the way
back but he the guy took us a different
route to the main route and we're going
through these back villages and he said,
"Oh, do you want to stop here and sleep
here?" And it's perched on this hill.
There's a guest house. The view was
incredible. We're like, "Yeah, we're
having tea and we're having Dalbat. This
is it. That's what I want to do." >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> that's so good. Also, Japan. Um Japan
and Korea both have like extensive
biking trails. So, I would love to I
loved Korea, by the way. I would love to
go back and actually do a biking trail,
but I think for friendliness, um, you
would have a little bit more help in Japan.
Japan.
>> Yes, even Taiwan got good biking routes
as well.
>> Oh, I can see that. Oh my god. See, so
I'm thinking Asia. I'm thinking probably
somewhere Asia for like a long a long
trip, maybe solo, but I think Europe
would be the easiest to try.
>> Imagine walking Japan. Oh,
>> I know. And like little Shebas
everywhere maybe following you. There's
this one guy. He he did that. He's doing
that and he has a sheibba a shea enu
following him sleeping with him in his
tent. I'm like yeah you stole my dream.
That's my that's my dream. [ __ ] [gasps]
Wow. H one day. One day.
>> Yeah. One day. [laughter] >> Okay.
>> Okay.
Let's go to business. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Right. So tell us a brief backstory of
leading up to going to be a digital
nomad. So you mentioned earlier that you
were in Alabama. you're kind of not
having your own business and
I guess you might be traveling here and
there, but what was the journey from
like do you know what I need to knuckle
down getting business sorted so I can
leave to go to be a digital nomad. How
long was that and how difficult was it
to plan for that?
>> Um, actually it didn't start like that.
>> Oh, it started No, but I mean that's how
you'd assume. It started off with um me
coming home from a late night work shift
and a homeless man being in my house asleep.
asleep.
>> What? Yeah. And and I'll explain. So the
week the that year like I really was
like I really want to go travel but I
don't want to leave my home in LA
because the most epic home. Like I lived
on top of a roof. They made a unit on a rooftop
rooftop
>> and I was the only one that should have
access to that roof. And so I had threw
parties, music videos, like I had the
coolest, dopest spot, but it was in a
really bad neighborhood. And so I
couldn't I didn't want to leave. I
didn't want to leave. Um, but then
somehow I got bed bugs and I was like,
"Now, how do I have bed bugs with no neighbors?
neighbors?
>> That doesn't make any sense because I I
I don't hang out with people that have
bed bugs."
>> So, when I came home and there was a
homeless man in my house, I realized
that man has been sleeping on my couch
outside. That's why I had bed bugs
>> like for like weeks, months,
>> probably 3 weeks. And he didn't attack
me. I think he was confused. Like he
genuinely was confused as if like he
lived there. I was like, "Bro, get up."
No, that's not what happened. and I
actually screamed. Um, but that was the
catalyst of like, okay, I think I need
to leave LA. And I, at that point, I was
like, I'll just go, my friend had a
place in Nashville. She's like, here's a
free room. You can, you know, work at a
restaurant and do whatever. So, I was
like, okay, fine. I'll go to Nashville.
And I was like, I'll just go to
Nashville for 6 months and then
Australia. Cuz Australia has so many
jobs. But then I found um our friend
Diani Diani Hall
>> from the podcast and she was posting how
she was traveling and working and I was
like, what? and she was like, "I'm in a
program called the Digital Nomad Life
Academy." And that is my my now business
coach, Christa Romano. And that woman singlehandedly
singlehandedly
changed my life. I don't even I don't
want to think about if I hadn't joined
her program. Um it would freak me out.
Like I'd probably be like still working
in restaurants and like not that's not
bad, but guys, I've been working in
restaurants like 15 years. Like I was done.
done.
>> Um so yeah, I joined her business
program. It was more about building a
business than traveling. And um I built
my podcast production business and from
there I just started traveling. I it
took me about 6 months to get it going
and then in the sixth month I booked my
trip to Europe and for the past 3 years
I've been beat boopping back and packing
doing all that [ __ ] So it was more like
I wanted to build a business and then
because the business gives me freedom
I'm traveling.
>> So how did you see the next phase? Was
it sort of like half travel, half
working or were you like how are you
marrying up just working in a different
place like Europe as opposed to actually
traveling and seeing it?
>> Yeah. So like I think when you have your
when you're starting a business it's
it's kind of like revving a car. Like
you'll you'll rev the car and you'll go
a little bit and then the gas will break
and stop and then you rev the car and
you go a little bit and it'll break and
stop. So when I've had the harder
months, the more stale months, I come
home to Alabama cuz here I just go to
the gym and work. I this is where I
scale. So, I come here and I scale the
[ __ ] out of my business. And then it's
going well. I go travel. I traveled for
10 months and the business is going
well, but I was like, I want to be
hitting certain numbers and so I came
back here. So, I've just been using my
mom's house for like two to three months
whenever I'm like, I need to sit down
and work on my business. And the other
times I've been abroad.
>> And how much did you think you need to
get in your business per month to think,
do you know what this is enough money I
can earn on my own to then go and be
digital nomad? Was that a figure in mind?
mind?
>> Um, no. I think that comes down to your
comfortability. If you're down for like
host and you're down for like, you know,
staying in you can stay in cheap
countries and like live really really
well. Um, I actually my first year I I
actually like traveled and just stayed
with friends. That was too fast travel
cuz I would I don't want to be rude so
I'd stay there for like a week and a
half and so I was traveling really fast
um and staying on friends couches. Um,
but again, that was too fast for me and
I don't really recommend that. But I
think whatever I think you should budget
out your trip, be like, "Okay, I'm going
to pick Thailand. I think that's a great
great place to start." >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Um, and then like bring up the like look
at the cost like a realistic cost and be
like, "Okay, what do I actually need to make?"
make?"
>> And just go from there, you know, but
you can definitely start traveling on a
low budget. Like I don't think you need
to wait till a certain number. Now, the
lifestyle might change. Now that I'm a
like co-l livingiving Airbnb person, I
like want to make a certain amount of money.
money.
>> Yes. But you need it.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Yeah. Am I right in thinking
actually you had and tell me if I'm
wrong, you had the first time going,
then you came back to Alabama,
>> then you went again.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, so what am I I'm maybe remembering
the the second time you went because I
know I saw on social media you're out
like in Asia and co-l livingiving there
and went to Australia and all that sort
of stuff, right?
>> Yeah. Now I'm like I'm confused about my
journey. I feel like I went to Yeah. I
went to Okay. So, I did Chris's program,
graduated, got clients, went to Europe
for three months, traveled too fast. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Then I lost three of my five clients
that November
>> in the same like week. And I was like,
what's going on here? And so then I um I
didn't do anything wrong. It's just more
like I realized I need to be working
with clients who have businesses, not
like passion projects. So now I only
work with six to seven figure coaches,
blah blah blah.
>> But it took me about six months to like
gain a couple more clients. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Then what did I do after that? I think I
went back to Europe. I'm like confused. Um
Um
Oh no, that was this past trip. And then
Yeah. And then I went to my business was
doing very well. I went to Europe, Asia,
Southeast Asia, Australia. And I
traveled for 10 months. and now my
business is doing well. I just wanted to
learn about the skill of high ticket
closing. I invested in a program, you
know, I'm scaling my business. So, I
came back here again. [clears throat]
>> Okay. So, let's go to the 10-month trip.
I think that's what I had in my mind.
>> Um, first of all,
>> I don't know where to start with this.
Let's go with I actually want to know
planning for that 10-month trip.
>> Is there things that are quite
underrated in terms of planning? Like,
is there stuff that come up that you
think, "Ah, I should have thought about
that. Could be travel insurance, could
be I'm just making things up. Was there
things that came up before you went
like, "Oh yeah, I need to sort this out.
I need to go somewhere with good
internet, like all these things, or did
you just kind of wing it and and see how
you went?" Because I'm guessing you need
good internet to work.
>> And you need probably a safe, not safe,
probably a a good place to work that's
quiet, maybe a community there as well.
So, how did you start planning this?
Yeah, I mean I I winged it, but two I
have my non-negotiables and there's such
a difference between backpacking and
being a digital nomad. Like
>> Oh, that's coming. That question is coming.
coming.
>> Yeah, like and I'll I'll get into that,
but like being a digital nomad, like you
do need things like your business should
always come first before your travels.
Like I'm sorry. Like that's what gives
your lifestyle. So I invest a lot of
money. Most of my budget goes towards
where I live cuz I'm like I need to make
sure it's safe, it's nice, it's good,
good sleep, and there's good internet.
Like so that's where my budget goes to.
Um most places have good internet
honestly and you can always go to
co-work co-working um co-living.com is a
great resource if you're looking for
co-l livingiving. The best one I stayed
at was in Thailand where you have your
own digital nomad like community
neighborhood. So you have your own home
on stilts in a porch and like a little
fun chair like a egg chair. And then all
the homes are surrounded by a pool, a
co-working, and a cafe. And you're like
a 15-minute walk to the beach. And I'm
not going to lie, I'm not going to share
what it is because this part of the
island is so this island's very special,
and I don't want to overrun. So, if you
want it, you can message James or me,
but like I don't feel like >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> I don't really like the over tourism
that I've seen while traveling. So, I
don't want to I don't know how big your
podcast is going to get. It's already
doing well. I [laughter] don't want you
to blow up and then I overrun this
island, you know? So if you're actually
interested in
>> listed on the on the island you are.
>> Yeah. [laughter] Let's not like ruin the
island because of James successful
podcast. So just message James or me and
I'll actually send you the details on
where that co-l livingiving but um
co-living.com is a great resource and I
think there's one called like surf and I
use co-living.com.
>> Yeah. Okay. And let's let's go to the
question of the difference between
backpack and additional nomad. People
might think they're the same but I I can
imagine they're completely different.
And can you even marry the two? Can you
do one month digital nomad like on the
same trips? Let's say you left USA,
you're not coming back for a year. Could
you do like one month digital nomad, one
month backpacking, or is that just
unrealistic because your business needs
you to be concentrating on the work for
at least two or three months at a time? I
I
>> mean, is it's really down to your
business, you know? Like my friend uh
Andrea, she has a website business and
she has people on payment plans. So, she
just took two months off to Peru cuz she
knew she was getting payment plans and
she didn't do any work on her business.
But now it's September and she's like,
"I have no leads. I have no marketing."
I'm like, "Yeah, because you it is
something you do need to constantly be
working on if you want cash in her
business. I have retainer clients." So,
I did a month in Korea and I didn't work.
work.
>> Um, okay. So you can like turn it off
and on. But I think the difference
within backpacking digital nomads is
like with backpacking like there's so
much spontaneity and there's so much
like risk and like I don't you don't
care if you end up sleeping like on a
bus for 12 hours or you don't care if like
like
>> you kind of want not stuff to go bad but
you want that story. Yes. And I think
with dig being a digital nomad, I can't
take the risk of getting a crazy story
because I'm like, I got clients like I
can't be having crazy too crazy a [ __ ]
And that's why it it does lose that
thing in travel that like I didn't have
as much crazy stories in that 10 months
of trips versus like when I did three
months of backpacking in the first time.
>> You're just so much more open to like
the chaos of travel. So when you went
that month for that 10 month trip, did
you think actually most of this is going
to be just working but in a different
location or did you have like a a time
scale in mind where maybe out the 10
months I do want to do two months of
travel as a backpacker? Did you have
that that sort of thing in your mind or
were you literally going to go month to
month and see how busy you were?
>> I think my job is so chill like I don't
need to take a break from it like it
doesn't exhaust me.
>> Okay. Um, I highly recommend I mean
James is doing it now. Like podcast
editing is
>> I think a great
>> job to break into. It's really your
business. It's really easy. It you
literally get on no meetings. You can be
on any time zone. It's literally you're
getting paid to edit credible podcasts.
>> That's it. So I'm not I'm not like [ __ ]
I need a month off. I'm exhausted. I
just kind of just kept going until
Korea. And Korea is like a bucket list
me. And I was like, I want the whole
trip to just be about food and spas. [laughter]
[laughter]
>> And was it?
>> Yeah, it was. I literally this is about
every other day. I was like, this is
getting this is getting crazy. Yeah, I
love Korea. It's a crazy place, though.
>> How did the um the first three months of
the second trip, the 10-month trip,
compared to the first three months of
the previous trip where you're in
Europe? Like, was there any significant
changes or ways that you were doing
things or was it quite similar, but you
just had a more regular income?
>> Totally different. My first time I again
I was sleeping at friends houses so I
didn't want to be rude. So I'd stay
there for like a week and then like [ __ ]
off. That was a lot. By the end of the
trip I felt so burnt out and so like
sad. I was like, "Oh my god, I'm just
zipping into people's lives and they
have their jobs, their boyfriends, their
their routines, and I'm just zipping in
and out." And I felt like a ghost. I was
like in and out, in and out, in and out.
And I was like, I don't like that. Um
and then now I've did two to three
months per country. Like I just maxed
out the visas. So this time like I
stayed two months in Lisbon and I
man I just had to have like a whole
group of friends everywhere I went.
Everywhere I went I had a group of
friends. I maybe was actually able to
date someone truly date someone and like
have my gym, have my routines and I just
went as slow as possible essentially. Uh
yeah, if you the slower you travel just
the more like just the deeper the
relationships you can have. So, I think
if you're traveling for a long time, I
would I would go slow because it I think
you will start to feel lonely and burnt
out because I mean I feel like travel is
all about the people you meet. I think
that's a big part of it.
>> Yeah. And also I think as a digital
nomad, my next question is did you have
like a little community of people that
you routinely lived with for like one or
two months at a time or was it always
different people cuz you're moving
different places?
>> Um it was different. Like in Lisbon I So
there's something called Flattio. F L A
T I O. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> And it's better than Airbnb because it's
called Flatio because there's flat fees.
Like it's just flat. The the price is flat.
flat. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So I use Flatio and I got teamed up with
like I was in this random guy's
apartment. No, I was in a random
apartment and I got teamed up with this
person named Tom. And I was like all I
knew was he was Tom. His name was Tom
and he was British. And I was like,
"Okay, cool." and we met and we were
instantly instantly best friends. And
then they had us there was a third room
open and I asked the landlord I was like
can my friend Andrea who's also my
client um I was like can she come and
stay in the other room and pay rent for
that and he was like okay. So it was me,
Andrea and Tom for two months in Lisbon
and our house became like the house to
come to like the party [laughter] house
and like it was epic. Like so I
recommend Flatio because it you won't
usually get your own space. You'll kind
of be assigned like a roommate but >> okay
>> okay
>> my first roommate wasn't that great but
the second one was great. So like like
anything you never know but I thought
Flatio was good and then co the co-l
livingiving after that I lived on my own
like I lived I had my own spaces
>> and then the second month sorry the
second trip 10 month trip you were
living in like specific co-living
co-working spaces.
>> Um what did I do? Yeah. No. So, the one
in Thailand is a co-l livingiving
technically, but you have your own house.
house.
>> You just share the pool, the cafe, and
the co-working. And then after that, I
did Well, after that, my friend in
Australia was like, "Come to Australia."
>> Like, and we I pretty much lived in like
an antinfested [ __ ] whatever the
hell. What was it? Like a camper and
then a tent.
>> Oh, like a RV.
>> Yeah. There was like no Wi-Fi and I was
working and it was Oh my god. The car
she gave me was actually antin infested.
The ants had created a colony. A colony
in the engine. And so I'm driving it and
there's ants crawling everywhere. Like
it was Yeah, Australia. I need to redo
Australia. Australia was not fun.
Honestly, it was really stressful. Um
and I think it's because my I that was
the one time I was like very type B
about my accommodation. I was like I can
live in an antinfested camper while
working. No, I think if I was
backpacking, it would have been if I was
backpacking, I would have thought it was fun.
fun.
>> But when you need Wi-Fi and no bugs when
you work, it was not great.
>> Is that because of like cost? The money
is a thing in Australia or that's not
really a
>> I really should have set up my own
accommodation. I She just really wanted
me to like come visit her and then she
made it sound kind of fun and then I got
there and I was like, why are there like
massive spiders and poisonous snakes
everywhere? And oh, by the way, there's
no toilet. No toilet for a month. There
was a pot.
>> It's so earthy.
>> And I found a spider in the pot one
time. So then I didn't go to the
bathroom for like a week.
>> I would drive into town, which was 45 minutes
minutes
>> to go to the bathroom at the public bathroom.
bathroom.
>> No, not for me.
>> So Australia was that was the one time I
was very type B about my accommodation
and I regret that. So I think I am a bit
type A about accommodation while working
while working while being having a business.
business.
>> And was there a moment in time this this
could be it what you just described where
where
the expectation is not quite matching
the reality of your digital nomad.
>> Um I wouldn't say like I don't go into
any I try to not go into any country
with any expectation cuz what you think
about the place is actually going to be
not the experience you have. You always
have like it always will surprise you.
>> Um I think the expectation about being a
digital nomad that I think people aren't
telling you on the internet. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> You it's lonely. like it it is you're
like I'm
>> I like having a home. I like having a
routine. I like having my group of
friends. So that's why I travel slow so
I can get a taste of that.
>> But um yeah, I don't really recommend
doing it for like ever. Like I can't
wait to have a home again, like a home
base again. So I don't think people
people make it all like come to Bali and
like be a [ __ ] digital nomad. And
it's like you first of all need to build
a business. That's going to take
>> a lot of hard blood, sweat, and sacrifice.
sacrifice. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And obviously if you have a remote job,
like that's cool, but I'm talking if
you're having a business. And then also
it gets lonely. Like I remember I was in
Korea. I actually went home cuz I was
like so I I just I hit this wave of
loneliness and I and I I I just drove me
crazy. I was like, I need to go. I need
to like just go somewhere familiar. So I
came back to Alabama to like scale my
business. But in in Korea though I loved
it. It was after like after going to
Lisbon and then building a community in
Thailand and then building a community
in Australia and then building community
in Indonesia and then repeating the same
thing in Vietnam and then going to
Korea. I was like I don't have it in me
to like make a whole new group of
friends, find a whole new gym, find a I
I was so done. And I actually canceled
my trip to Japan and while the Uber was
on the way to come pick me up, I was
like I actually can't do it. So, you
finished your trip early?
>> I did. Yeah. And I I'll go to Japan. I
wanted to go to Japan on a high. I
didn't want to go burnt out.
>> So, what was the main You mentioned
loneliness, but I don't know. Sometimes
you stick it out. So, it must have been
really bad if you're like, do you know
what? I'm just going to quit it here and recalibrate.
recalibrate.
>> It was Yeah. Um I I just having to
rebuild your whole life over and over
cuz that's the thing when you do these
long these long-term trips like do you
make these genuine relationships and
genuine connections with these countries
and then to repeat that over and over
like your body's like burnt. So it was
nothing against Korea. I actually really
love Korea. But actually that added to
it. I think Koreans like to stick with
themselves of course.
>> So and there was it wasn't like a big
community digital nomad community. So I
really did just spa it out which
[laughter] you can only have so much
reflection in the hot sauna before
you're like I would like some [laughter]
normaly. So um yeah I think I'm glad I
ended it when I ended it. Yeah. Do you
were you not tempted to like stick to
one of your favorite countries for
longer like Thailand or
>> um I was done and I just knew like I I'm
not I was knew I was going to do a lot
of hard stuff my business to hit certain
numbers so I needed to
>> I needed to just go home or like home as
in Alabama and just scale and go to the
gym and just scale and go to the gym.
So if you scaled enough where you think
you know what this is a nice little
place I'm at you could have stayed in
those places longer I guess on that trip
then because you don't need to go home
to scale or do you think you always
would go back to your home base maybe in
LA like to >> go
>> go
>> the goal my goal is like next year I
want to go back to LA like next summer.
So right now the plan is I'm going to
Mexico and I'm going to see if I like it
there to use it as a home base till I go
to LA. Um, >> yeah.
>> yeah.
>> But no, I'm on that like specifically
that trip, that 10-month trip, like I
was pretty done.
>> Like I didn't even want to go to another
country. Like I was like, I just need to
not think like you know when you're
abroad, you have to your brain is kind
of on overdrive a lot. Like thinking
about like the language, the customs,
making sure you're polite, like making
sure you're not like, you know, the
money exchanges like your brain is
subconsciously working. So I think I was
just mentally done. So
>> So, so what else contributed towards
that? You mentioned loneliness. You
mentioned trying to create new groups of
friends. Like what else is part of the
digital nomad life that you learned that
maybe do you know what that's actually
quite hard to deal with?
>> The one thing I I I noticed is um it's
not like it's hard. I again back to that
backtracking versus travel like when I'm
backpacking like I don't care to plan
and I don't care to have everything
perfect. But when you're when this is
like your lifestyle, like I my standards
go up like of where I live and my gym
and so I'm not traveling to these like
really cool exotic like places. I'm
going to places that I know have these
things and then in exchange for that
those are places that are probably
gentrified and I don't love that. I
don't I don't love and Bali was the
place I saw that I was like whoa this is
wrong. Like this is this is the worst
part of digital nomadism is Bali. What's
happened to Bali? Not not the country,
not the people.
>> We shouldn't be using countries as our
like make a life, build a life, you
know, and um like people I feel like
people are just going to Bali because
it's cheap. You can build villas which I
don't agree with. And you can um just
yeah build a better life than you get in
your home country. And I'm I'm I'm part
of that. I'm not [ __ ] [ __ ] on it.
Like I'm But I Bali was I think Bali is
the catalyst of the worst thing that's
happening in digital nomadism. For sure.
>> For sure.
>> Yeah. I guess a lot of people might be
asking, well, why not just be a digital
nomad at home? So why do you think people
people
>> do live in somewhere like Bali or
Thailand for longer than
>> maybe like staying at home? So let's say
like they go to Thailand, get a six
month tourist visa, dip out for a
weekend, back in for another 6 months
and stuff. Why do you think people do
that in places like that? Because I
imagine I heard like for Bali for
example, it's not actually that cheap in
that gentrified area. It's not
>> like the gyms are the same price as
western areas and all this sort of
stuff. So what's the point doing it in a
different in a different country?
>> I would like to talk about my business
coach Ka cuz she loves Bali and like
that's where >> oh
>> oh
>> she finds all of her community and like
I think that's what it is is most
digital nomads not all of them a
majority have their own business and it
is awesome. The digital nomadic
community is awesome because we're
mostly business owners. So if you can
surround yourself around other business
owners, you your mindset, your business
will only scale further. So I think
that's why people like Medigene, Lisbon,
these hubs, Bali
>> and like that's the beautiful thing
about being a digital like that is we're
making our own world. We're making our
own communities. I think that's what's
attractive. Um I just think it could we
just could need to um make sure we're
not only using a country
>> Yes. for those reasons, you know, I have
to check myself a lot. Make sure, okay,
am I going to this country for what
reason? Like what's the real purpose? Am
I actually going because I like that
there's a digital nomad community or do
I like it cuz I actually like the culture.
culture. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> So, it's just like check yourself. Like
make sure you're checking yourself.
You're not part of the problem.
>> I think I'd be really uncomfortable if I
was going somewhere. I I don't like Bali
at all, but let's use that as an example.
example.
>> Yeah. Yeah,
>> if I was just going there just to be in
a community that's for the westerners
and not for the Balines or at least I'm
not even interacting with Balines. I'm
like what am I doing here? Like I have
to interact and contribute to the local
economy because otherwise you are
literally taking a piss.
>> Yes. Yes. That's the thing is like
that's how you need to check yourself be
like what is my day-to-day activities?
Who am I talking to?
>> Like what am I doing here? And if if
like none of that has anything to do
with the country then yes you are using
that country. [laughter]
And like it's okay, just check yourself.
Like I I do it too. I need to check
myself. Like when I go to Mexico, I'm
like, "Okay, I really want to make sure
I'm taking language classes. I'm renting
from someone from Waka. I like
>> I'm like, okay, I want to make sure I'm
doing some cultural stuff. I'm not just
here because I'm like, "Oh, it's cheap."
Cuz that's never that's not good.
>> Yeah. Cheap is not a good word to use.
I've learned I've actually learned
probably this year actually
>> in my own social media posts and
Instagram and even podcasts like you
can't say cheap cuz
>> being cheap is not great. Like good
value is a good sentence to use or
phrase but like cheap like
>> Yeah. Yeah. But I I don't want to like
knock on anyone if they like do like
Bali and all these places. It wasn't for
me. I think it's like if you don't
travel as much. Oh my gosh. Is the
internet bad?
>> No, it's good.
>> Okay. I don't think you're frozen. Okay.
Okay. I'm so nervous now. Um, but I
think if you don't travel as much, I
think there's certain countries that are
a great starter. Like I think it's a
great starter pack. You know, Thailand,
Bali, it's that's totally fine. I think
that's why people resonate with it. But
just if if you're seeing if you're
traveling a lot, you see the patterns of
over tourism and you're like,
>> "Oh god, am I part [laughter] of this?"
cuz I think this is going to come to my
next question and comment is if I was
going to be digital nana tomorrow and I
was going to Indonesia, let's take
Indonesia the country. There is no way
I'm going to Bali. I'm like what's the
point? There's like 600 other islands.
As long as it's got good internet, you
obviously got to make sure you can work.
Why not just go and house yourself or
sift yourself into a culture where
there'd be very little tourists and just
soak up that local culture rather than
going somewhere where there's loads of
the similar kind of people. That could
be for any country. You can mention
Vietnam, for example.
>> There's a whole host of towns in Vietnam
that we don't travel to that locals
travel to because we all go to the same
places. Go and put yourself on those
towns and to just see what it's like.
>> And I was so guilty of that. Like I I
actually don't think I would give myself
a great rating as a tourist last
[laughter] year. Like for example, I
went to Portugal. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I did not leave Lisbon. I had so much
fun in Lisbon. I didn't leave. So, I
couldn't tell you [ __ ] about Portugal.
Bad rating, but I had a great time. So,
I don't know what that means. [laughter]
Um, actually, all the places I think it
is goes back to like I'm not
backpacking. I'm doing it as a digital
nomad. So, I'm already kind of
exhausted. So, like I don't feel like
adding more travel on top of more travel
versus when I was a backpacker, I like
moved around quickly and I was like,
"Oh, what's this random town? Let's go
here." I was just more curious, more
adventurous. And I can't wait to get
back to that. I can't wait till I have
like a home base. And I'm like, I'm
going to go to this random country in
Africa and have zero plans. And I I I do
I do think like that added on to why I
wasn't as good of a traveler because I
was exhausted.
>> Yeah. I think for me it it literally be
next time I'm going to go and work
somewhere for a month. I'm going to go
somewhere in a country that I've never
heard of and just do it there. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz I'd feel comfortable in that. And I
see as a challenge as well. I guess a
lot of people don't want that or don't
need that cuz they're trying to scale
the business, whatever. So, they have to
go to communities as big as Barley,
right? I can imagine that. But why not
just Yeah, I guess live like a local
property for once. I don't know.
>> Yeah, I think that's the best way to do
it. But yeah, I I'm
>> maybe easier said than done. Not sure.
>> Yeah, I Yeah, I think um at this time in
my life, like I'm pretty burnt out from
travel a little bit. So, I'm not as
being as adventurous and I just I really
can't wait till like I reverse all this
and I have a home base and I can
actually just like go travel to just
travel and not bring my laptop. That
would be ideal. But I'm not but at the
same time being a digital nomad has
brought me the coolest [ __ ]
experiences. [laughter] So everything's
for a season really.
>> So do you think you'll ever be a digital
nomad in the sense like like you were?
Do you think you would ever go again to
Asia for example and just plot yourself
in a different country for six months or
do you think that phase is over?
>> Yeah, I totally would do that again.
>> Even if you had your home base in LA.
>> Oh yeah, I I would totally do that
again. Like
>> it's just um I would I go for 10 months?
No, I think 6 months is my max. I think
that is like I think I pushed it
>> too much actually after six months for
me. But everyone's everyone's so
different. like everyone be like, I've
been traveling for three years straight
and I'm fine. And some people can't do a month.
month.
>> I think problem for us though being
creators and doing podcast stuff is I
really put emphasis on the on the home
base for that quiet studio time or at
least a room where I can literally work
and do creative stuff because I think
that's quite hard to do on the road. You
got to maybe find somewhere quiet, maybe
good a good table and a good chair. Like
I just need that home base to go and do
my podcast or YouTube, whatever. Right.
>> Yeah. No, I mean that's pretty important
too. And I also feel like my podcast has
been put on the side
>> between travel and building my business.
Like my podcast has become like the step
baby and I'm like I'm so sorry. Like but
[laughter] I don't want it to be but
like it's hard to how you were saying
how you were traveling and then you were
trying to do your podcast, build a
community, build your business. It like
yeah there's only so you're only a
person like at the end of the day. So,
um it does take a lot out of you, but
then the experiences you have, you just
get to have more experiences cuz you are
like you have the money to like live
somewhere longer versus backpackers, I
think they go till their money runs out. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And then actually [clears throat] now
you literally need to go home.
>> Yeah. And that is a tough place to be.
>> Yeah. And that like that's also exciting
if you get that rush from it, but like
as a nomad like Yeah. you can be like,
"Oh, I can Where's the next country?
Let's go." You know?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I can do the
long-term travel without an income
anymore. I think I'm done with that
phase. I've done it for 10, 12 years. I
think I'm done.
>> Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Can I ask you
why? Cuz we're on different spectrums
right now.
>> Yeah. Because I can't deal with the
stress of running out of money, trying
to find myself a job I'm not going to
like in a place that's going to be
fairly expensive like a western country.
It's too stressful. Can't deal with it. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> I'm like you. I need a home base and I
need an income. Business income. That's
the big aim
>> because that's that's another version of
of exhausting part of travel is like you
go on this trip and then you have to
reset your life. Go find a new job, go
find all this stuff like it it's like
that's also just as hard. So really it's
choose your hard, you know, choose which
one you want to do. I would I'm I would
choose my business any day like over
that because I think it's just you're
building a life of freedom. >> Freedom.
>> Freedom.
>> Yeah. Um, and that way like I could I
could go [ __ ] off and do to Thailand, go
to Thailand again, or I could just stay
in LA for a whole year, or I can, you
know, I can do all of that. So, you have
a choice versus what the situation
you're in now, you really don't have an
option. You have to just kind of go
where the money goes. So, I can I shout
out my my coach. I really want to
emphasize like if if you are wanting
like a freedom filled life and like to
create your own business and like the
thing with my coach, she doesn't just
tell you to build a business so you can
make cash. She finds out what your
passion is and how you can monetize it.
So her name is Christa Romano. Her
podcast is called the Digital Nomad Life
Podcast and I highly highly recommend if
that's something like that you're
itching towards.
>> That's great. I'm go check it out. Good
resource for me 100%. you know James for
real. You need to be listening to her podcast.
podcast.
>> I'll listen to some episodes like it's
it's definitely there's a lot of mind
there's a lot of mindset stuff that she
talks about too.
>> I think interestingly I'm at this like
weird piece at the minute cuz I'm
accepting that I'm just not traveling as
much cuz I've done that for a year in
2023 and now it's the odd bit of travel
but I'm trying to scale the business
trying to do the podcast and YouTube
thing, right? So, I kind of accept that
this phase is is that and it needs work.
It needs time and it needs effort. So,
I'm I'm happy with that.
>> The downside is, can I say it? I'm not
sure. The downside is it's not where I
want to be. So, it's quite frustrating
>> to be trying to do that alongside my
actual job and not have much time left over.
over.
>> And add to that, if I'm doing YouTube or
podcast and I need stories,
>> I need to go and see some places. I'm
like, [laughter] oh my god, how do I
deal with this? literally like you
actually like it's part of your job to
go experience stories.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, that that we need to
talk about that like when you're
building your digital nomad business
like you probably will be working while
doing that. So you need to like
>> you're going to have to sacrifice things like
like
>> Yeah, I've sacrificed a lot to build my
business. So but then it's so [ __ ]
worth it. It's so worth it.
>> It is worth it. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. That's
why but that's why I hired a coach
because I I'm one of those people like I
want to expediate the process as long as
as short as possible. So I hire coaches
for things. So I wanted to like learn in
about sales. I hired a sales coach, you
know, I want I got a business coach cuz
I'm like you're it's not if it's a win
and I want to make sure the win is now. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Like as soon as possible.
>> Yeah. Yeah. As soon as possible. Yeah.
>> But that if Yeah. If someone's if you're
in that position where you're like uh
like I want to be a digital nomad but
I'm I'm still working my job like Yeah.
You're going to have to do both for a
little bit. And how did you learn about
yourself on this journey about how you
work as a digital nomad? Like do do you
work better in the mornings? How do you
structure your day?
>> I It depends on like the place. So in
Lisbon, I was going out till like,
should I say it 5:00 a.m. [laughter]
>> Listen, I partied every single day of
the week. That do that was the most I've
ever partied in my life. And so I was
waking up at 2:00 p.m. getting work
done. My clients would wake up in New
York and I'd be like, "Hey, uh, you
know, just so hung over." But I'm
friends with all my clients, so like
that's another thing that adds that
relaxed thing in my business.
>> But then, you know, in Thailand, like
the day is so beautiful, so you might
want to be out at the pool all day and
then get your work done. And like it
depends on the country. I do work better
in the mornings. Um, I do be work well.
I actually now my my schedule is like 10
to 3, 10 to 4.
>> So I I like to have Yeah. >> [laughter]
>> [laughter]
>> corporate time.
>> Sometimes I work like a full eight hour
day like or nine, but um I like to have
really long mornings. I'm going to the
gym. I'm going on walks like chilling
and then get my day started. But um
that's the cool thing when you have your
own business like it can just be
whatever you want.
>> Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it?
>> You can claim like you can have whatever
client you want. You can have whatever
boundaries you want with your time. It's
all up to you.
>> And it's the freedom though. Like you're
not bound by having to be on a laptop
for eight or nine hours a day at a
certain time. [gasps]
>> That's the freedom.
>> Today it's a like I went to the gym
and then I got on the call. This call.
>> Hang [laughter] on. You're 3 hours ahead.
ahead.
>> I know. I'm going to the pool after
this. But then but then like there's
some days where I'm like, "Okay, we got
to [ __ ] work." Like last weekend I
worked because I wanted I'm going to
Mexico and I was like, "I want to make
sure when I go to Mexico, I don't do a
lot of work in Mexico, so I'm work on
the weekends." So, it all comes down to
it all comes down to you. Um, and it's
not for everyone. I I think you need the
right mindset to be have your own
business. I think remote work is also a
great option. If you can do it and you
don't like you like working for someone,
totally do remote work. I don't have any
suggestions on how to find a remote job
because I
>> I never had that knack of like resumes. >> Oh,
>> Oh,
>> I I just I never had that knack. I I >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think um
>> I think that's the next step. If you
can't do the big jump from a I guess
like an employee to digital nomad with
your own business, I think the step in
between would be well, let me get a
remote job and see how that and that
works. That's a good step into the next
part, I think.
>> Yeah, I think that's great. I found
finding a remote job harder than
building my own business. So, I built my
business. But some people have a like
they get corporate. And so, like if you
if you get LinkedIn, if you get
corporate, the biggest thing I would say
is like lean on your strengths. like how
how do you find jobs in general? Like
how do you if whatever that is, lean on
that strength. I'm big into networking.
I've never been into LinkedIn. So, I
find all my clients through networking.
If you're really good at LinkedIn,
that's how you'll find your remote job.
I think
>> I'm not very good at that.
>> Me either. [laughter] It's so hard. It's
It's very hard.
>> I think that's another discussion maybe
offline about my thoughts [laughter] on LinkedIn.
LinkedIn.
>> I don't want to I don't want to hurt
myself and early doors trying to get
some businesses and clients on the go.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
So, if you were to do it again, your
10-month trip
>> looking back, what would you do differently
differently
>> than my last trip? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Honestly, nothing. I loved everything.
Besides in Australia, I would have just
gotten my own place.
>> That was that added a level of stress
that did not need to be there. And I it
it made Australia stressful. And I don't
think I got to really like dive into the
country as I would have if I had just
had paid for like a nice place. Um
um yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I
would have done anything different. Even
even though I got burnt out at the end,
like I got to still experience Korea.
And I don't regret not going to Japan
cuz I want to go to Japan on a high.
>> You do?
>> I regret not seeing more of Portugal.
That was a big [ __ ] up. Like what an
idiot. Like I just stayed in Lisbon and
drank [laughter]
>> like like a idiot. Like
>> that's a small country as well.
>> Yeah. I can't even talk to Portugal
about people. They're like, "How is
Portugal?" I'm like, "I literally don't
I did. I went to the beach, which was
like a 30 minute drive. That's That's
actually such a loss. I'm upset about
myself. But you know what? Sometimes you
have to be a bad tourist.
>> Of course. And you can always go back.
>> Yeah. You can always be a good tourist.
And I can always go back and be a better
tourist. Um, and so that's hung me
better towards this time is again I'm
going to like learn more of the language
like like take classes and like make
sure I'm actually seeing more of where
where I'm staying. That's what I regret.
>> Okay. And did you learn anything new
about yourself?
>> Oh my god, I love that question. Whoa. Um,
Um,
oh my god. I just feel like everyone I
met was like a reflection of me. Like
everyone I've met was like I just had
the I just met some incredible people.
Incredible people. I dated some
incredible people. I think this year
traveling abroad, I I dated some awesome
people. And I think that changed me.
That really changed me. The people I
dated and the people I was friends with
and um yeah, I I I think I changed a
lot. I just don't know.
>> It's hard. I haven't reflected on it actually.
actually.
>> Oh, okay. It's a bit raw. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> No, it's good. It was just like it's a
long It's like reflecting over a whole
year. It's hard to process.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like for the for the
dating aspect, actually, we'll touch on
it. Must be quite hard being digital
nomad to date, right? Unless you're with
someone already. Is it is it always like
fairly casual because how do you know
where you're both going in
>> two months time? How does that work?
>> I'm actually like the opposite when I'm
dating abroad cuz I'm like I don't think
you have to do it casually. Like I still
had my same like boundaries and same
same like rules I guess. Like um
>> we just started like you date more
intensely. It's like more passionate
because you're like, "Okay, technically
we have three months together, but that
doesn't mean we need to be acting like
we're in a situationship. Like, why
don't we spend these three months truly
as a boyfriend and girlfriend and like
really be the most romantic like deep
let's see how deep we can go." I think
you can do that. You just need to
communicate that. I think because
there's a lot of because that's the
thing I think I think with the digital
nomads versus backpackers especially in
places like Thailand. You get to these
places and there's a bunch of these like
British boys who are like just there to
party for three days and have sex with
as many people as possible and that's
fine. But I think if you're actually
dating, you just need to like get I
think you need to be around digital
nomads and you need to just communicate like
like
>> be like no like I'm only here for 3
months but I actually like you and I
want to actually just date you while I'm
here. And I had a boyfriend um
>> and we traveled together. Yeah, we were
like together for like six or seven
months and we we bumped around countries
together. But then at the end
>> he realized he wants to live in Wales
and like only live there and he doesn't
want a long-term relationship. So I was
like, "Okay, well then it must end. It sucks."
sucks."
>> That's pretty savage, isn't it? It's
interesting that he wants to go back to
Wales. Was was he in the same situation
as you where he was like dotting around
countries doing that thing and just
seeing maybe somewhere new to live or
just seeing how that lifestyle works or
was he always thinking Wales? Do you think
think
>> he got like laid off like his whole
company like collapsed like everyone got
laid off so he was like well I might as
well go travel and he was also building
his business while he was abroad. Um
>> but then I think he realized like he's
like he he and I both realized he's an
extreme homebody like he actually isn't
that much of a traveler. So, um, yeah,
he was just like, I think I just want to
hang out
>> and be in England. And I'm like, I want
to go to California. I want to go to New
York. I want to go here. And he was
like, I don't know if this is aligning
anymore. And I was like, yeah, it isn't.
But we had so much fun together. And I
only have good things to say about him.
Um, so I guess that's what changed me. I
think the people I met, oh my god, like
genuinely changed me a lot. I met so
many different kinds of personalities
and everyone I met was just so wise and
like I just learned a lot. I think
internet people who travel, [sighs and gasps]
[sighs and gasps]
we're just we're we're very wise. Like I
think more than other people.
>> No, no, no. I do love it. I love meeting
those people. Yeah. They're like they're
like your true friends because they have
the same interest and passion. True is
probably a bit wrong word really
actually. Probably more aligned with
what you think in this day and age.
Whereas like we've all got school
friends maybe that from from a very
different time where like you've grown
as a person and they and they just gone
a different way. So it's like that
relationship does change but
>> yeah I found actually the last year or
so or two years going to events meeting
travelers digital nomads like oh yeah
these are my people. So I do like that.
Yeah, I think the the values that we
have are similar. Like we're all into
growth mindset and like we're all into
curiosity, like being curious and um I
think yeah, I think that's what makes it
special. And like we all know like okay,
we maybe only be together for a few
months so we need to like do everything
together and it's just so heightened.
It's so heightened. Like I would never
move in with a man in less than a year
but like we're traveling [laughter]
so we live together in Vietnam and I was
like this is something I would just
never do back home ever. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I would be like I would judge that
person and be like you're moving fast [laughter]
[laughter]
>> very fast.
>> But you're traveling so like what are
you going to do?
>> People at home they move like like
lightning after three or four months
they're in. It's like criy. [laughter]
>> Yeah. So I think the people I think the
people I met changed me like in Oh my
gosh. Like they have such a place in my
heart that people I met in Australia,
Lisbon, Thailand, all these places there
and even like the locals. Oh my god.
Some some of the locals I just will
never forget. Especially in Vietnam.
Yeah. there just the certain connections
you make and you're like, "Ah, I hate
that I have to leave you."
>> Yeah, I think Vietnam's interesting.
They got such a young population. I think half of it is under 35 or 40,
think half of it is under 35 or 40, right?
right? >> So, I think there's a big youthful
>> So, I think there's a big youthful population there. And as we all know,
population there. And as we all know, the youth and the older population is
the youth and the older population is there's a difference because of just
there's a difference because of just what happens going through time.
what happens going through time. >> So, yeah, it's quite an interesting
>> So, yeah, it's quite an interesting country to be based. Like people might
country to be based. Like people might if you're older think, oh, that's still
if you're older think, oh, that's still like the Vietnam War in the 60s. Uh, no.
like the Vietnam War in the 60s. Uh, no. This is like a proper not western noise,
This is like a proper not western noise, proper going country. They they are
proper going country. They they are totally on it.
totally on it. >> Oh, they're like
>> Oh, they're like >> it's like going home Vietnam.
>> it's like going home Vietnam. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Like they're they're doing so well and
>> Like they're they're doing so well and the country's like
the country's like >> it's so it's getting so advanced and
>> it's so it's getting so advanced and they've run it well. I don't know. I'm
they've run it well. I don't know. I'm I'm just very impressed by Vietnam and
I'm just very impressed by Vietnam and the people are so sweet. Like well not
the people are so sweet. Like well not everyone in the country I would say like
everyone in the country I would say like certain parts of the country Vietnamese
certain parts of the country Vietnamese can either be hot or cold I think. And
can either be hot or cold I think. And I'm talking about that maybe it has to
I'm talking about that maybe it has to do with the older generation. Like if
do with the older generation. Like if you go into these small towns,
you go into these small towns, >> they might not smile. They might be
>> they might not smile. They might be like, "What are you doing here?"
like, "What are you doing here?" >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Like they're very blunt and and but then
>> Like they're very blunt and and but then the younger population is very very
the younger population is very very sweet. Oh my gosh.
sweet. Oh my gosh. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Love it. I think my biggest
>> Yeah. Love it. I think my biggest problem going into that world, I don't
problem going into that world, I don't know if you have this or not, is I would
know if you have this or not, is I would always feel the itch to go somewhere
always feel the itch to go somewhere new. So it be a new experience. Let's
new. So it be a new experience. Let's say I have a month in on an island in
say I have a month in on an island in Thailand, which I love. I still think
Thailand, which I love. I still think even if I love it after the month I'm
even if I love it after the month I'm like I need to change it up. That's
like I need to change it up. That's going to be my biggest problem. I think
going to be my biggest problem. I think >> No, that's fine. Like do it. I feel like
>> No, that's fine. Like do it. I feel like your first your first trip as a digital
your first your first trip as a digital nomad, you're going to be like kid in a
nomad, you're going to be like kid in a candy shop. You're going to go
candy shop. You're going to go [laughter]
[laughter] crazy. Yeah.
crazy. Yeah. >> You're going to go crazy and go to all
>> You're going to go crazy and go to all these places and then
these places and then >> second trip figure out the next one. But
>> second trip figure out the next one. But um like where would you what's your like
um like where would you what's your like dream for like when you finally get your
dream for like when you finally get your business like to the level you want?
business like to the level you want? >> Yeah. I'll give you top five countries
>> Yeah. I'll give you top five countries if you want.
if you want. >> Yeah. Um, Spain.
>> Yeah. Um, Spain. >> Interesting. Okay.
>> Interesting. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Why Spain?
>> Why Spain? >> Do you know what? I absolutely love that
>> Do you know what? I absolutely love that country and I've just not done enough of
country and I've just not done enough of it.
it. >> I love it.
>> I love it. >> I love the culture.
>> I love the culture. >> I love the
>> I love the different parts of the country. So, if
different parts of the country. So, if you want a bit of coolness, go to the
you want a bit of coolness, go to the Northwest. Gissia. Really nice green.
Northwest. Gissia. Really nice green. But if you want that sun and just like
But if you want that sun and just like to chill out, but maybe more in the
to chill out, but maybe more in the winter time, go south. I just love the
winter time, go south. I just love the thought of being in Spain.
thought of being in Spain. >> I love it. Oh, yeah. Um, bit cliche, but
>> I love it. Oh, yeah. Um, bit cliche, but hey, Thailand. I've named the two of you
hey, Thailand. I've named the two of you to
to >> know and number two [laughter] is
>> know and number two [laughter] is Thailand. That's the two biggest places
Thailand. That's the two biggest places we go to as holidays. Yeah.
we go to as holidays. Yeah. >> Top five British people places.
>> Top five British people places. Continue. [laughter]
>> So I'm going to get the details of your place that you say that in Thailand.
place that you say that in Thailand. >> I will tell you. Yes.
>> I will tell you. Yes. >> Because I have this idic mind of not
>> Because I have this idic mind of not going to Copipi or Pyang or whatever,
going to Copipi or Pyang or whatever, but there's like little islands like
but there's like little islands like Kipe and other ones that just not as
Kipe and other ones that just not as sort of traveled as much. So, I want to
sort of traveled as much. So, I want to park myself one of those islands. So,
park myself one of those islands. So, yeah, Thailand is there. I think I'd
yeah, Thailand is there. I think I'd like to do somewhere like Uruguay be
like to do somewhere like Uruguay be quite cool.
quite cool. >> I just met someone on the plane from
>> I just met someone on the plane from Uruguay. She was so sweet. Like,
Uruguay. She was so sweet. Like, >> very progressive.
>> very progressive. >> No one goes there.
>> No one goes there. >> No one goes there. Uh, speak a little
>> No one goes there. Uh, speak a little bit Spanish or like go learn Spanish
bit Spanish or like go learn Spanish there. That'd be pretty cool.
there. That'd be pretty cool. >> What else am I thinking? I think
>> What else am I thinking? I think somewhere ideal
somewhere ideal like a like an island. But it does
like a like an island. But it does depend [clears throat] on internet,
depend [clears throat] on internet, doesn't it? But I've got this weird
doesn't it? But I've got this weird obsession with paradise. So maybe
obsession with paradise. So maybe something like French Polynesia or Cook
something like French Polynesia or Cook Islands.
Islands. >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. That would be so
>> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. That would be so good.
good. >> And then the fifth place is East Asia.
>> And then the fifth place is East Asia. So it would be somewhere like Taiwan,
So it would be somewhere like Taiwan, Japan, Korea, one of those three.
Japan, Korea, one of those three. >> I totally would go back to Korea. Like I
>> I totally would go back to Korea. Like I want to go with someone next time cuz I
want to go with someone next time cuz I think
think >> I don't want to I think again the
>> I don't want to I think again the culture isn't like super like, hey, how
culture isn't like super like, hey, how are you? Um Korea. I I would totally go
are you? Um Korea. I I would totally go back there easily.
back there easily. >> Easily. I those are great countries.
>> Easily. I those are great countries. Those are great. It's like a mix of like
Those are great. It's like a mix of like some nomad hubs and some that are not
some nomad hubs and some that are not like more adventurous.
like more adventurous. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think also what's
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think also what's underrated with travel and digital nomad
underrated with travel and digital nomad stuff is the weather, right?
stuff is the weather, right? >> Can we touch on this for a bit? Because
>> Can we touch on this for a bit? Because if you're going to Southeast Asia,
if you're going to Southeast Asia, >> I don't think you want to be there when
>> I don't think you want to be there when it's rainy season, right?
it's rainy season, right? >> I Oh, so now I'm like I have a secret
>> I Oh, so now I'm like I have a secret about the rainy season in Thailand, but
about the rainy season in Thailand, but I'm like I don't
I'm like I don't >> No. Hey, I'll I won't gate keep too
>> No. Hey, I'll I won't gate keep too much. Okay. So, apparently in Thailand
much. Okay. So, apparently in Thailand the there's the rainy seasons don't go
the there's the rainy seasons don't go they don't go like north to south, they
they don't go like north to south, they go east to west. So, when I got to
go east to west. So, when I got to Thailand in on in September, like
Thailand in on in September, like probably September 15th, like very close
probably September 15th, like very close to now, I was in Phuket
to now, I was in Phuket >> [ __ ] pouring every day. I I didn't
>> [ __ ] pouring every day. I I didn't see the sun for seven days and I was
see the sun for seven days and I was like, I'm going to get depressed in
like, I'm going to get depressed in Thailand. Like, [laughter]
Thailand. Like, [laughter] >> that's crazy.
>> that's crazy. >> Yeah. And then I took Okay, I'll I'll
>> Yeah. And then I took Okay, I'll I'll I'll say the island I went to. Um I flew
I'll say the island I went to. Um I flew to Kosamui.
to Kosamui. >> Okay. Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. >> Island, but the where the co-l
>> Island, but the where the co-l livingiving is isn't in the main area.
livingiving is isn't in the main area. It's in like part of a smaller town.
It's in like part of a smaller town. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Um I flew to Kosamoy.
>> Um I flew to Kosamoy. >> Two months straight of perfection.
>> Two months straight of perfection. >> But then November the rain started
>> But then November the rain started heading to Kosamoy and then Phuket gets
heading to Kosamoy and then Phuket gets sunny.
sunny. >> It goes east to west. It doesn't go
>> It goes east to west. It doesn't go north to south. Um, so that's how the
north to south. Um, so that's how the rainy season works in Thailand. So if
rainy season works in Thailand. So if you go to Thailand in the quote rainy
you go to Thailand in the quote rainy season, like if you're on like the co
season, like if you're on like the co Kosamu Kofanyang side, you'll be fine in
Kosamu Kofanyang side, you'll be fine in September.
September. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> But go ahead and move to Phuket side on
>> But go ahead and move to Phuket side on in November, December.
in November, December. >> Yeah. Kipe side.
>> Yeah. Kipe side. >> Yeah. Little secret for y'all.
>> Yeah. Little secret for y'all. >> Or Kanta. Chill Island.
>> Or Kanta. Chill Island. >> Col. Yeah. Yeah. There's so many islands
>> Col. Yeah. Yeah. There's so many islands in Thailand. Oh my god.
in Thailand. Oh my god. >> Oh no. This is what I mean, right? This
>> Oh no. This is what I mean, right? This is why
is why >> so good.
>> so good. >> I love Thailand. I I genuinely if I
>> I love Thailand. I I genuinely if I think if the whole world was like
think if the whole world was like Thailand, we would have peace. like
Thailand, we would have peace. like >> 100%.
>> 100%. >> It's there's no way like Thailand is how
>> It's there's no way like Thailand is how the world should be, I think.
the world should be, I think. >> Yeah. Apart from it border with
>> Yeah. Apart from it border with Cambodia. That was a bit hairy, wasn't
Cambodia. That was a bit hairy, wasn't it?
it? >> Start firing at each other. Um, okay.
>> Start firing at each other. Um, okay. And lastly on this bit, any advice you'd
And lastly on this bit, any advice you'd give to someone who's maybe leading up
give to someone who's maybe leading up to changing their lifestyle to be a
to changing their lifestyle to be a digital nomad? Anything you would say?
digital nomad? Anything you would say? >> Um, I would say genuinely listen to that
>> Um, I would say genuinely listen to that podcast, the digital nomad life podcast.
podcast, the digital nomad life podcast. >> You really Yeah. Um, if you have like
>> You really Yeah. Um, if you have like already experience of having your own
already experience of having your own business, then like I honestly, yeah,
business, then like I honestly, yeah, you can also just reach out to me if you
you can also just reach out to me if you have questions. I love talking about
have questions. I love talking about entrepreneurship stuff. I'll shout out
entrepreneurship stuff. I'll shout out my stuff later, like my Instagram, but
my stuff later, like my Instagram, but you can come up to me. But I think
you can come up to me. But I think consuming the right podcast, hiring a
consuming the right podcast, hiring a coach, getting in those circles. You
coach, getting in those circles. You need to like you need a little bit of a
need to like you need a little bit of a crew if you're about to change something
crew if you're about to change something in your life, whether it be fitness,
in your life, whether it be fitness, whether it be mindset, whether it be
whether it be mindset, whether it be your business. You need to have a
your business. You need to have a support system cuz it's you're going to
support system cuz it's you're going to have those days where you're like, "Is
have those days where you're like, "Is this worth it?" and you need someone to
this worth it?" and you need someone to be like, "Shut the [ __ ] up." Yes, it is.
be like, "Shut the [ __ ] up." Yes, it is. You know, um, but I would start with the
You know, um, but I would start with the podcast, Digital Nomad Life podcast, and
podcast, Digital Nomad Life podcast, and tell me that doesn't change your damn
tell me that doesn't change your damn life. Like, it's so good.
life. Like, it's so good. >> And judging from this conversation, I
>> And judging from this conversation, I think the three things I've learned, the
think the three things I've learned, the keys to being a digital nomad are you
keys to being a digital nomad are you need your own business or your own
need your own business or your own income or at least work remotely.
income or at least work remotely. >> Yeah. But remote jobs can sometimes
>> Yeah. But remote jobs can sometimes limit you to where you can go. So, it
limit you to where you can go. So, it depends on how much freedom you want.
depends on how much freedom you want. >> Yeah. I actually think it's quite hard
>> Yeah. I actually think it's quite hard to find that freedom in that job.
to find that freedom in that job. >> I think I know because I think finding
>> I think I know because I think finding your own job is actually just as hard
your own job is actually just as hard personally unless it's like something
personally unless it's like something you already can you do easily.
you already can you do easily. >> I think I'd rather stay at home, have a
>> I think I'd rather stay at home, have a normal job than work towards being a
normal job than work towards being a digital nomad. I think that'd be much
digital nomad. I think that'd be much easier too because then you get to have
easier too because then you get to have like lifetime freedom.
like lifetime freedom. >> Yeah. Okay. Number two, have a home
>> Yeah. Okay. Number two, have a home base. Now, the reason I say this because
base. Now, the reason I say this because I know you learned this on your trip,
I know you learned this on your trip, but I've learned this on my backpacking
but I've learned this on my backpacking trip in 2023, even before I'm anywhere
trip in 2023, even before I'm anywhere near being a digital nomad, because I
near being a digital nomad, because I just think sometimes you just need to go
just think sometimes you just need to go home, don't you? And just like chill out
home, don't you? And just like chill out for a month or see friends or just
for a month or see friends or just create stuff.
create stuff. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> And it's quite stressful if you're
>> And it's quite stressful if you're trying to
trying to >> maybe find an Airbnb and it's not quite
>> maybe find an Airbnb and it's not quite the right room or it's just expense and
the right room or it's just expense and it's like, oh,
it's like, oh, >> yeah. It's like it the exhaustion wears
>> yeah. It's like it the exhaustion wears on you slowly like into the to the point
on you slowly like into the to the point where Yeah. then you just are burnt out.
where Yeah. then you just are burnt out. So I absolutely agree on having a home
So I absolutely agree on having a home base. Like I can't wait till I have one.
base. Like I can't wait till I have one. >> Same. [laughter] And number three is
>> Same. [laughter] And number three is there's difference between backpacking
there's difference between backpacking and being a digital nomad. You need to
and being a digital nomad. You need to work out for your year for example how
work out for your year for example how you're going to marry the two if you
you're going to marry the two if you really want to do both because you can't
really want to do both because you can't consistently do both intertwined one
consistently do both intertwined one week here and there because I think
week here and there because I think let's be realistic. If you're going to
let's be realistic. If you're going to have a business and you got clients, I
have a business and you got clients, I think you just need like a month to get
think you just need like a month to get stuff done, don't you? at least the the
stuff done, don't you? at least the the first three weeks of the month to get
first three weeks of the month to get your work done then you can maybe have a
your work done then you can maybe have a week right you need to figure that out
week right you need to figure that out >> yeah it depends on your business but
>> yeah it depends on your business but like if it's a good business then you
like if it's a good business then you pro you do need to be working on it a
pro you do need to be working on it a lot like it's not just oh I have clients
lot like it's not just oh I have clients like you need to be thinking about how
like you need to be thinking about how how can I market how can I scale you be
how can I market how can I scale you be wearing all the hats in the business
wearing all the hats in the business this is what people don't talk about
this is what people don't talk about like you are all the hats you need to be
like you are all the hats you need to be also learning how just always learning
also learning how just always learning like reading knowledge you know if you
like reading knowledge you know if you really want to like have a successful
really want to like have a successful business so it's all give or Both are
business so it's all give or Both are hard. It's hard being a backpacker with
hard. It's hard being a backpacker with $300 left. It's hard being a remote
$300 left. It's hard being a remote worker knowing you can't go to Asia. And
worker knowing you can't go to Asia. And it's hard having your own business
it's hard having your own business knowing like you kind you it it's a
knowing like you kind you it it's a skill. You need to learn how to be a
skill. You need to learn how to be a business man. Woman
business man. Woman >> shoes are hard.
>> shoes are hard. >> Yeah, it's very hard. Okay. And talking
>> Yeah, it's very hard. Okay. And talking of business, let's go to the last part
of business, let's go to the last part of the episode. So tell us about your
of the episode. So tell us about your business. What it's called, what you
business. What it's called, what you offer, and if people are interested, how
offer, and if people are interested, how they get in contact with you for that.
they get in contact with you for that. Yes, my business is called Your Girl
Yes, my business is called Your Girl Media. Um, it's pretty niche. I work
Media. Um, it's pretty niche. I work with six to seven figureure coaches. I
with six to seven figureure coaches. I have a boutique agency for coaches. So,
have a boutique agency for coaches. So, like my god, I can handle anything from
like my god, I can handle anything from like podcasting, YouTube, SEO, CRM,
like podcasting, YouTube, SEO, CRM, funnels, but I specialize also in high
funnels, but I specialize also in high ticket sales. So, if you have a high
ticket sales. So, if you have a high ticket offer in your coaching program,
ticket offer in your coaching program, um, I'm personally [clears throat] only
um, I'm personally [clears throat] only going to work with one client closing
going to work with one client closing them, but I have a matchmaking service,
them, but I have a matchmaking service, so I can set you up and connect you to
so I can set you up and connect you to setters and closers. So, why would you
setters and closers. So, why would you go anywhere else? I'm your girl
go anywhere else? I'm your girl essentially. [laughter] Like if you're
essentially. [laughter] Like if you're if you're a coach, like literally why
if you're a coach, like literally why would you go anywhere else? I have
would you go anywhere else? I have everything you need. Um and again, I
everything you need. Um and again, I niched down to work with coaches because
niched down to work with coaches because I realized as a podcast producer working
I realized as a podcast producer working on passion projects, that [ __ ] going to
on passion projects, that [ __ ] going to run dry. [laughter]
run dry. [laughter] >> It gonna run dry at some point. So like
>> It gonna run dry at some point. So like with coaches, they need me. I genuinely
with coaches, they need me. I genuinely am bringing like for example, my client
am bringing like for example, my client Christa, actually the girl I was talking
Christa, actually the girl I was talking about, my coach, she's my client. I
about, my coach, she's my client. I brought to her a million dollar. I
brought to her a million dollar. I brought her a million dollars in sales
brought her a million dollars in sales from her podcast.
from her podcast. >> What?
>> What? >> She needs me. She will keep me on her
>> She needs me. She will keep me on her payroll.
payroll. >> She will.
>> She will. >> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Yeah. [laughter] That's why I That's why I specialize in
That's why I That's why I specialize in coaches and because coaches have changed
coaches and because coaches have changed my life. So, your girl Media and my
my life. So, your girl Media and my Instagram is @yougirl
Instagram is @yougirl media.
media. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And any like social media for that?
>> And any like social media for that? >> Um yeah, the Instagram for that is your
>> Um yeah, the Instagram for that is your your girl media. And then for the
your girl media. And then for the website, yeah, I'll probably just send
website, yeah, I'll probably just send you that. It's your media.com.
you that. It's your media.com. >> Yeah. Put it in the show notes. Okay.
>> Yeah. Put it in the show notes. Okay. And then your podcast, The Culture
And then your podcast, The Culture Culture Travel Show.
Culture Travel Show. >> My stepchild I love. I really can't wait
>> My stepchild I love. I really can't wait to get back to focusing on. [laughter]
to get back to focusing on. [laughter] Oh my god. Yeah. So, my podcast, like
Oh my god. Yeah. So, my podcast, like the reason I started it is because Yeah.
the reason I started it is because Yeah. I grew up in I grew up in Alabama and I
I grew up in I grew up in Alabama and I grew up very very ignorant and I know a
grew up very very ignorant and I know a lot of Americans don't travel a lot and
lot of Americans don't travel a lot and they can be quite ignorant and I don't
they can be quite ignorant and I don't think that should stop you from learning
think that should stop you from learning about the world. If they maybe if you
about the world. If they maybe if you can't travel or like Yeah. Like you but
can't travel or like Yeah. Like you but you still want to learn about different
you still want to learn about different countries. I'm I'm on the mission to
countries. I'm I'm on the mission to learn about every country in the world.
learn about every country in the world. And through that, I also tell the
And through that, I also tell the craziest [ __ ] story you ever heard
craziest [ __ ] story you ever heard from that country. So, yeah, it's it's
from that country. So, yeah, it's it's fun, not PG, but it's all about like
fun, not PG, but it's all about like it's okay to ask questions. It's okay to
it's okay to ask questions. It's okay to learn about each other. And I do think
learn about each other. And I do think if we learned about each other and lived
if we learned about each other and lived in less fear-based world, then we could
in less fear-based world, then we could live in a better place. Like for
live in a better place. Like for example, if we learned about Zimbabwe,
example, if we learned about Zimbabwe, >> instead of like judging someone, you
>> instead of like judging someone, you could be like, "Oh my god, Zimbabwe. I
could be like, "Oh my god, Zimbabwe. I actually know a weird fact about
actually know a weird fact about Zimbabwe." Boom, you just connected.
Zimbabwe." Boom, you just connected. >> So, it's really about learning about
>> So, it's really about learning about every country in the world and being
every country in the world and being less ignorant.
less ignorant. >> Yeah, it's a great podcast. It mixes
>> Yeah, it's a great podcast. It mixes history and travel. So, you get the both
history and travel. So, you get the both worlds of crazy stories, but also some
worlds of crazy stories, but also some historic content uh for the country that
historic content uh for the country that you talk about or place in the country,
you talk about or place in the country, right? So,
right? So, >> well, well recommend people checking
>> well, well recommend people checking that out. And yeah, you need to do more.
that out. And yeah, you need to do more. So, crack on.
So, crack on. >> I know. I know. So, I'm actually
>> I know. I know. So, I'm actually covering I'm gonna ask your audience
covering I'm gonna ask your audience actually because I might need some help.
actually because I might need some help. So, next season I'm covering Scotland,
So, next season I'm covering Scotland, Australia, and Iran. I am struggling on
Australia, and Iran. I am struggling on covering a story for Iran. I don't want
covering a story for Iran. I don't want to cover the what they cover. Like, I
to cover the what they cover. Like, I there's so much more to that country.
there's so much more to that country. So, if any of y'all are Iranian or you
So, if any of y'all are Iranian or you all have a good story, please hit me up
all have a good story, please hit me up because I feel like I want to cover your
because I feel like I want to cover your country with justice. That doesn't sound
country with justice. That doesn't sound right. I want to cover your country.
right. I want to cover your country. Well, with justice.
Well, with justice. No, I want to No, I want to do your
No, I want to No, I want to do your country justice. That's
country justice. That's >> called. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]
>> called. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Um, so yeah. Um, my Instagram is
>> Um, so yeah. Um, my Instagram is @culture cult show and my podcast is the
@culture cult show and my podcast is the culture cult travel show. So if any of
culture cult travel show. So if any of youall are Iranian or if you want your
youall are Iranian or if you want your country covered, like hit me up. Like I
country covered, like hit me up. Like I would love to cover your country.
would love to cover your country. >> Awesome. So I'll put all those links in
>> Awesome. So I'll put all those links in the show notes. So Marie, any lasting
the show notes. So Marie, any lasting sentences about I don't know life or
sentences about I don't know life or travel or digital nomad? Anything you
travel or digital nomad? Anything you want to share before we close up? I just
want to share before we close up? I just want to say all of y'all are cool as
want to say all of y'all are cool as [ __ ] because if you're wanting to learn
[ __ ] because if you're wanting to learn about other cultures and wanting to put
about other cultures and wanting to put yourself out of your comfort zone and
yourself out of your comfort zone and like just actually live life at the
like just actually live life at the fullest and you also are aware that we
fullest and you also are aware that we only have this life and you're going to
only have this life and you're going to go for it and travel. Y'all are [ __ ]
go for it and travel. Y'all are [ __ ] cool. Like don't take that [ __ ] for
cool. Like don't take that [ __ ] for granted. Y'all are everyone who listens
granted. Y'all are everyone who listens to this podcast is very special.
to this podcast is very special. >> Amazing. Marie, thanks for coming on
>> Amazing. Marie, thanks for coming on podcast. It's been a great chat, great
podcast. It's been a great chat, great laugh, and you're always welcome back at
laugh, and you're always welcome back at any time. Yes. And you're coming on my
any time. Yes. And you're coming on my shoes show soon, so we'll hear your
shoes show soon, so we'll hear your crazy travel stories.
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