This podcast episode provides a comprehensive review of the 2025-2026 Premier League season's conclusion, analyzing key matches, team performances, managerial impacts, and the implications for the upcoming season, with a particular focus on Arsenal's title win and Manchester City's managerial transition.
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Hello, welcome to the Gary Neville
podcast, the final of the 2025-2026
season. And we sit here at the gantry at
a sweltering Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
having Gary just watched Spurs escape by
the skin of their teeth. First of all,
your thoughts on the afternoon and what
we've seen unfold here in terms of the
the Spurs performance on the day. Yeah,
I mean there were many Spurs fans before
the game that I spoke to. I spoke to one
in a taxi yesterday for about 20 minutes
in the middle of London and
there was none of
there wasn't one Spurs fan that thought
that today was going to be comfortable.
They thought it was going to be a
terrifying experience. I actually think
that was as comfortable as they could
have got in respect of I thought they
played really well. They controlled the
game from minute one. I thought that
Conor Gallagher started that off by his
first 5 minutes. He was really at it,
running forward. I thought the midfield
got a grip of the game.
I'm not going to repeat this, but
Everton were absolutely awful. I mean,
you couldn't have actually wished for a
better opponent today than Everton. They
were they were dire. Um
David Moyes didn't get anything out of
his team and I think he'll be unhappy
about that, but for Spurs
they were dominant as a 1-0 could be and
they felt really comfortable. They
defended well. Everton didn't have a
shot on target I think till 15-20
minutes to go.
Um Their work I think was good, their
compactness, their shape, their
authority on the ball, all the things
that you might say wouldn't be there in a
a
nervous, anxious ground in a nervous,
anxious team. I didn't see that. There
was a lot of experience out on the pitch
and I think today they handled the
occasion well.
I mean, it doesn't get away from how
they've been and what they've put this
crowd through and this fan base through,
but today I thought they were solid.
Their third home win of the season,
their first since December. [music] It's
been wretched here. The joint before
today, the joint worst record with
Burnley at home in the Premier League.
What is it about this place? How do they
start to go about putting it right? Oh,
it's an absolute disgrace. I mean, they
were my closing words at the end of the
game when you threw to me.
Uh you mentioned that obviously there
was celebration and the fans were
celebrating because for them it's real.
For the players, I'm sure some for some
of them it is real, but for some of them
I said it doesn't feel like they want to
be on the bus.
And that's what Roberto De Zerbi's going
to have to work out in this Well, he's
probably worked it out already. Um
Um
I mean, not won a game here since
Christmas. Uh it's absolutely shocking
for a a group of players that have been
expensively assembled. Uh and for a club
of such stature.
But they're they're flimsy.
They're weak. They're vulnerable. And
the autopsy really has got to begin. I'm
sure it already has, but they've been in
fighting for their lives for the last
few weeks. So, there's probably now
going to be a real concentration on it.
Whereas in the last few weeks, they've
probably sort of what would be toying
with recruitment for next season
thinking, "Well, are we going to be in
the Championship or are we going to be
in the Premier League?" Now they know
for real, having escaped today, they can
start to basically
drive a bulldozer through that dressing
room cuz that's what they need to do. Uh
it's been a massive failing, but all
through the club, you know, the
decisions, even the decision this week,
even what's happened with Romero.
Watching that I sort of emerge over the
last few days, that that story. If If
Romero had gone back to Argentina
without permission
of management at the club,
we would have heard about it that he'd
gone rogue. He hasn't gone rogue. I
think they've given him permission. I
think they've said, "Go on, get yourself back."
back."
what togetherness is. And I think what
was that sort of that What was that sort
of line they've been using in the last
few weeks?
>> Yeah, all together, always unless you're
in Argentina. >> [laughter]
>> [laughter]
>> All together, always. And you know
something, you hear some of this
leadership, don't you, from time to
time, which is sort of spouted out in
business and spouted out in football
clubs where they have signs on walls.
But the problem is the actions speak a
lot louder than words.
The actions out on the on the pitch
speak a lot louder than words. The dare
to do. Do they dare to do these players?
I don't think so. Um
Um
Are they always together? No, I don't
think so. Is there a connection right
the way through the club? No, we hear
that the owners have been trying to sell
this club for two or three four years
now trying to get as high a park price
as possible. Um
They've done a great job in certain ways
with certain things that they've built
in infrastructure terms. But they failed
the fans on the pitch which is most
important. You know, football is all all
about first team performance at a
football club whether that's a women's
team, the men's team.
You you've got to win. You've got to
win. Um and I have to say, you know,
this Spurs
fans are celebrating today. And look at
that sign there behind that goal. It's
the perfect moment for it, Bill. Do you
want to read it out?
Well, there's one there that says
"Promise success, delivering failure.
Enic out." There's another one at the
other end that says "Love Tottenham,
hate Enic." Yeah. They need to get their
act together, don't they? I mean, they
they they parted company with Daniel
Levy and made big promises that things
were going to be different and that they
were going to turn over a new leaf.
Things have got worse. Yeah. Well,
what's happened is the always together
that you mentioned has come from the fans.
fans.
Because they have stayed together.
There was a protest I think planned a
few well, a month or so ago and they
canceled it because they recognized that
the team needed them out on the pitch
and deserved needed them out on the
pitch and Tudor needed them out on the
pitch. They've turned up in the
thousands outside the ground today these
Tottenham fans to urge their team
forward. And I thought that might add a
little bit of anxiety to the players,
but it actually didn't do. They handled
it well.
But you've got players out on this
pitch. Quite a few of them are going to
be going to the World Cup. They've got
experience. They've got some quality out there.
there. Um
Um
And look
Is it too far to that they've been
pathetic, that they should be ashamed of themselves?
themselves?
Probably not.
You know, I I
This is Tottenham Hotspur, and I know
sometimes I get mocked for saying this
is Manchester United. But, you know,
this is a football club steeped in
incredible tradition. Now, they've not
won trophies for a long time regularly,
even though they won the Europa League
last year. It was fantastic, and you
know, it's great for this fan base to to
celebrate a trophy. But, they've been
underachievers and underperforming for a
long time. But, then this is another
level of underachievement hitting new
lows. You know, the last 2 years in the
Premier League and where they've been.
So, like you say, there's got to be a
massive reset. There's got to be an
autopsy that goes really deep right the
way through the club. And to be fair,
when you're owners of a football club,
and I'm an owner of a football club,
sometimes you have to start by looking
in the mirror yourself. You absolutely
do, because success sometimes doesn't
come in a football club because of the
decisions that you make, because of what
you do, not because of what the fans do,
or what the players do, or what the
coaches do, but just right the way
through here. I mean, appointing you or
Tudor and having to sack him within a
few weeks. Um
Um
It didn't feel right that appointment
from day one, did it? Just didn't
connect. Um
Yeah, sacking Ange Postecoglou, bringing
Thomas Frank in, someone who's highly
respected, bringing in Igor Tudor in,
now bringing De Zerbian.
Yeah, what a roller coaster of a season,
and uh they'll have lost a lot of
credibility and trust, and you can see
the signs that are up there that you've
just read out at the opposite end of the
ground against the owners, uh and I'm
not surprised.
Let's throw this forward a little bit. I
think a lot of Spurs fans, certainly
ones I've spoken to, are quite excited
now that, you know, if we stay up, then
things could get quite exciting under
Roberto De Zerbi. We've seen at probably
the most stable Premier League club he
managed to fall out with the management
then because they didn't match his
ambition, and that's obviously when he
was at Brighton. Yeah. He walked out on
Marseille because things went, you know,
he's explosive, he's combative, and he's combustible.
combustible.
If they don't back him properly in in
summer, you could see him walking out,
couldn't you? He's obviously been made
promises to come in. Oh, they'll have to
back him. Oh, yeah. I think he's not
going to take He's not going to sit down
have his belly tickled by the ownership
and believe anything that they say. I
mean, they must have been promises on
the way in.
And as I said before, there's a
bulldozer needs to go through that
Yeah. What's he going to do with his captain?
Van de Ven, I'm sure there'll be a lot
of clubs after him.
Um yeah, there's big decisions to make
at this football club and uh
he'll have decided already in these
first four or five weeks what he wants
and what he needs
uh to remain from the current dressing
room and the current squad.
But, I actually had a fascinating
session going back maybe 7, 8, 9 years,
maybe 10 years now with Mauricio
Pochettino when they just built the
training ground and we were with England
uh and I was uh assistant coach under
Roy Hodgson. And I always remember and
I'm not going to go into the detail of
it, but when he first came in, he
shifted a load of players. He had a
group of players that were on the board
which were his squad and he shifted load
to that side of the board and they were
the players he wanted to keep and then
he shifted a load to that side of the
board and he said, "I've got to get rid
of them, seven or eight there."
And De Zerbi's going to have to do
something similar. Be really cold, be
really ruthless, really harsh. He's got
the instinct, he's got experience. He's
not someone who's going to mess around
anyway. Doesn't need me to tell him what
to do, but I think he's got he's got
strength now and he's got power now and
he's got authority now with his
uh sporting director and the ownership
and they've got to go with him and if
they don't go with him,
yeah, he will. He's the type that won't
accept it and he'll just be off. He'll
say, "Do what?"
So, there's positivity in North London.
If we turn our attentions to East
London, West Ham were the ones who,
although winning on the final day, fell
short. A disastrous season for them and
you and you fear for what the direction
is at a stadium that the fans don't
love. A a certainly where there's a
massive disconnect between the the
support. You know, they moved to that
stadium being promised the heights of
European football. They did win a
European trophy 3 years ago and now
they're back in the Championship for the
first time in 15 years. Yeah, and
because of I think Tottenham
and the situation and predicament that
they've been in this last month, almost
West Ham have been part of it, but
they've not been part of it to the
extent as they would have been if it had
been going for it with a Burnley or
Wolves or a Sunderland or Leeds, you
know, a club like that. Clubs like those
you know, you know, those clubs have
done brilliantly well two of them to
stay up this year. Sunderland, when I
looked part way through the game by the
way, and I'll have a look again now,
Sunderland was seventh. Sunderland are
in Europe for the first time in 15 years.
years.
>> an achievement. They they finished
seventh. We'll come on to that later
because uh They finished seventh then in
the end. Yeah, they finished seventh in
the end.
>> Well, well done to them. The one thing
that I didn't want this season amongst
many things, I wanted a different
champion because I felt it's good for
the Premier League that, you know, you
get different champions that haven't won
it before for a long time and Arsenal
have done that. I thought it was good
last year that Crystal Palace won a
trophy, that Tottenham won a trophy, and
it was essential bill this year,
essential that the same three teams
didn't go down or else we were going to
get to a point whereby the parachute
payments just completely and utterly
doping the Championship and then
obviously, you know, coming back up
again, it's just, you know, say it's
just three up three down same every
single year. So, what Sunderland and
Leeds have done this year is really
important. Um but for West Ham,
but they're a club.
West Ham are a club and there're a few
more, you know, we've seen Villa, we've
seen Newcastle. Now, Tottenham didn't go
there, that would have been the biggest
story of all. We've seen Leeds United,
we've seen Nottingham Forest, we've seen
Sheffield Wednesday. These were stalwarts
stalwarts
in my opinion of sort of what would be
the old Division One when I was growing
up. It's inconceivable that these clubs
couldn't be in the Premier League, but
West Ham are one of those clubs
along with the likes of Wolves,
Newcastle, you know, those there's no
club safe here. There's about eight of
them that are probably, I think, okay.
We thought these were one of them by the way.
way.
Um but the rest of them are all
susceptible. Crystal Palace, Brentford,
Bournemouth at some point.
Brighton, they may
not recruit as well. They may just not
do it as well as they have done because
they're having to fight for their lives
every single year to recruit well and
get good managers in and they've done
that really well. But for West Ham,
they're one of those clubs that are
always susceptible to some poor
decisions and they've
gone down this year and they're a huge
football club. But that that stadium to
be fair, Bill, I mean, what's it like to
commentate at?
It's the one ground that I get sent to.
But I think
you just, you know, mile away from the pitch.
pitch.
>> it's it remains, although they've done
what they can, it remains an athletic
stadium. So, you've got a great view of
the finish line for the 100 m. You are
>> Not so good at the pitch.
>> and then we're back there. It's the only
ground where, to be fair, I feel like I
need to take binoculars.
So, you you, you know, it's that old,
sort of, how do you say, athletic
stadium. There are many of them exist in
Europe. But a football stadium in this country
country
it's a very the very unique.
You know, you you
you're on top of the touchline. The the
old dugouts overhung the pitch, you know
what I mean? You're right on top of each
other in Upton Park, obviously,
famously. But you know, it was right
that West Ham moved. But what they're
going to have to do is somehow adapt
that stadium, and I don't know how they
do that. I mean, I have no idea. In
terms of the squad, do you foresee, I
mean, Jared Bowen, obviously, who's been
the heart and soul during the recent
Premier League years.
You you
would he stay? I mean, last time they
went down, for example, they kept her
hold of a lot of players. Sam Allardyce
got them back up
>> Yeah. They they bounced straight back,
even though it was via the playoffs.
That was what, 14, 15 years ago? Can you
see the same thing happening or is that
a squad that's going to be ripped apart?
Is Nuno going to stay? Well,
that's the first thing. You know, forget
the players, the manager. I think the
manager and Bowen are the two most
important figures, and I think they've
got to lock that in quite quickly. I I'd
be amazed if West Ham West Ham's
ownership haven't put a huge incentive
forward to Nuno to stay.
And that will be announced, I think, in
the next, if they were going to be smart
in the next 48 hours, Nuno stays for
next season. That's your first headline.
By the end of the week, you'd want to
try and lock Jared Bowen in if you could
and sort of give him a big contract to
stay, which is difficult cuz they're
going to lose a lot of revenue next year.
year.
That then stabilizes the dressing room
potentially and stabilizes the the the
stabilizes the crowd and the fan base
somewhat from where they'll be tonight,
which is absolutely desperately
disappointed and shocked and devastated.
But, you need those two are really
important and lock those in.
But, you've also got Somerville, you've
got Soucek, you've got Fernandez, you've got
got
um I like the two center forwards,
Castillanos and Pablo. I think they're a
hand- I think they're a handful.
So, I think there's some players there
that would be sought after by other
Premier League clubs.
But, I think if you're West Ham, you're
a big enough club, you've had enough
years of Premier League revenue.
You've had some European success.
Remember it's not financially as
beneficial for them, but
yeah, it's about stabilizing beyond
this. They've probably planned for it
now for a number of weeks. You have to,
financially but also from point of view
of resource and personnel,
uh and it's important that they get some
good PR messages out there quite quickly.
quickly.
So, that's the relegation issue. At the other
other
side of things, which we touched on
briefly, the the European places. Villa
produced a performance and a result
today, um
uh winning at Manchester City in Pep
Guardiola's game at home. Villa won 2-1.
Ollie Watkins in good form. I think he
got a couple of goals there.
>> So, they're fourth, Villa. They finished
fourth. Liverpool finished fourth,
Liverpool fifth.
>> So, into the Europa League go
Bournemouth, who finished sixth,
Sunderland, who finished seventh for the
first time since they won the cup back
in the '70s, and uh in eighth position
and into the Conference League go
Let me just check here, Brighton. So,
Brentford miss out
as they um could only draw at Liverpool.
And Chelsea's disastrous season finished
with another defeat and another red
card. Wesley Fofana sent off for the
second time this season. Xabi Alonso has
a hell of a job on his hands to turn
them around, doesn't he?
Yeah, I mean we've just talked about
what the Derby has to do here. Xabi
Alonso has to do exactly the same there
at Chelsea. I mean he's been made the
manager. He may as well have been called
sporting director, manager, owner, the
lot. I mean they just give him the keys
to the club and sort sort it out. Sort
it out, my friend, if you can. We
We
We We're struggling. Um yeah, I mean
what a disastrous season for Chelsea.
Incredible for Sunderland, Bournemouth
again, Brighton. I mean serial
serial
uh overachievers Brighton and
Bournemouth year in year out and
Brentford as well, obviously. Uh
Sunderland, magnificent that they've got
into Europe. That's something that's not
happened for quite a while where a
team's gone up and done come up and done
so well.
Villa, incredible Unai Emery. What a coach.
coach.
Uh I thought they were
I thought they were sort of faltering
for a period after Christmas. It felt
like they were just sort of going
through the the end of winning the
Europa League and now finishing fourth
place in the league. It's a massive
massive achievement. So, well done.
There's a number of clubs in that you
know, Liverpool will be
grateful, relieved, and a slot that
they're in the Champions League. Hanging
on in there at the end. But uh yeah, for
Villa uh Port Villa, Bournemouth,
Brighton, and Brentford, Sunderland,
incredible seasons. Absolutely
incredible seasons.
>> And for Villa to put put in to go to
Manchester City on Pep Guardiola's swan
song and win there
just hours after finishing their open
top bus parade. That's That's seriously
impressive. And also, I stood out
Manchester United winning 3-0 at
Brighton. Brighton had plenty to play
for. They could have ended up in the
Europa League today, but Manchester
United have gone there and won 3-0. And
obviously, the story there will be Bruno
Fernandes as the all-time Premier League
assist maker cuz he got a got an assist
in that game. Yeah, I did say last week
actually after the United game against
Forest at home that I thought that
Michael Carrick will be right into them
this week. Saying to them something
like, "This game next weekend when
you're already secured in third will
tell me a lot of what you're about that
you know there are three or four five
thousand United fans traveling down to
Brighton four five six hours.
And by the way, you better give a
performance for them. So, I think today
was really important for Bruno
Fernandes. It's an incredible
achievement to overtake Thierry Henry
and Kevin De Bruyne. Um
Like I said, 21 assists is is is
absolutely fantastic.
>> And a goal as well, too. And a goal as
well, yeah. I didn't know he'd scored to
be fair. I've been watching a lot of
this game here. Who scored for United?
Dogu, Bomo, and Fernandes.
>> Yeah. And Bomo scored again. So, yeah,
no, a good really good finish for
Michael Carrick. I think it was
important that they didn't just go
we did it. Look at we you know, we got
third place. That would have been the
wrong message to send. I don't I think
so. A really good day for Michael
Carrick, a good day for Bruno Fernandes.
A bad day obviously for Manchester City,
but obviously you we have to
in some ways just
bow to Pep Guardiola in terms of what
he's achieved in the last 10 years.
Yeah, phenomenal. He's changed so much
and uh be fascinating to see who uh goes
in there cuz that's quite a job, isn't
it? Uh to follow that. Enzo Maresca
apparently groomed for that. Yeah,
that's what we're here. I mean, firstly
on Pep Guardiola um transformational
transformational um
um
period in the Premier League. Some of
the things that we've seen over this
last 10 years.
We won't probably quite see again in
terms of the points tallies that were
being achieved over a sort of two or
three four year period.
Four titles on the run, incredible
treble achievement, a double this year,
you know, a domestic cup double, not
quite the double he would have wanted,
but still winning trophies, a serial winner.
winner.
On the brink of building another
good team, very good team. I thought he
might just stay another year to see it through.
through.
You know, there's just a bit of work to
do on them, isn't there? They've just
fallen short at the end this year. And
we'll come on to Arsenal, I'm sure, shortly.
shortly.
But the front four, Haaland, Doku, Cherki,
Cherki,
Semenyo. Obviously, you've got Foden in
there as well. You've got others. So, I think
think
something really to go at. The
center-back partnership between Cassano
and uh
Gayi with O'Reilly and Nunes looks like
it's starting to turn into a a really
good back four.
Um and then you just need to sort that
midfield out. I mean, the midfield,
Rodri and Bernardo Silva, incredible
players, but Bernardo Silva leaves and
Rodri's just getting to sort of what
would be the point whereby you're going
to have to start to look at replacing
him if not already. So, two or three
midfield players
and Manchester City going to be a
formidable force, but Pep Guardiola is
worth Well, we'll find out next season.
So many points a season. Sir Alex
Ferguson was worth five, six, seven
points a season. How many points is Pep
Guardiola worth? We know he's worth
some. Yeah. We just don't know how many,
but we're going to find out pretty
quickly. But it's been an exceptional
ride that they've had, Manchester City
fans, with him. A guarantee, as close as
you can get as a guarantee. Gold when it
comes to management, the uh equivalent
of Sir Alex Ferguson, the two greatest
managers, I think, in Premier League
history. Um and I don't want to separate
them because, like you say, they've both
won trebles.
They I think Alex Ferguson um definitely
shades it on longevity uh in the Premier
League. But then you build in Pep's
moments with Bayern Munich and
Barcelona, but you put in then Sir Alex
Ferguson's time Aberdeen, you're going
to start this age-long debate of who's
the best, but I can't separate them.
They're both phenomenal managers uh and
absolutely the best. And it was good to
see the other day that Pep Guardiola
said that Sir Alex Ferguson had messaged
him. Um it would be an amazing to see
them having a conversation together
about football. Yeah, it would be. That
would be quite an interview, wouldn't
it? Yeah.
>> Yeah, it would.
Didn't he also say, "Regard for a beer
with you and Carra?" Wasn't he asked Pep
Guardiola? Well, of course, he's asked
us many times during the last 10 years
to go out for a beer. >> [laughter]
>> [laughter]
>> Well, I mean, to be fair, we've
Yeah, we've been I think we've eulogized
over Pep Guardiola and Manchester City
and their achievements in the last 10
years because you can't knock cuz what
we've seen is excellence. We've seen
elite football, elite sport, elite achievements.
achievements.
I don't like it because I'm I'm a
Manchester United fan, but what you have
to do is respect it enormously because
it's hard to do what he's done.
And he's done it from a base. And look,
Manchester City were were
I spent a lot of money.
We've still got 150 charges, which I
think should be mentioned, but not under
Pep Guardiola. I think it was just just
slightly before him, was it maybe? Most
of them, yes.
>> Most of them were before him, so it's
not really sort of to land on him. Um
But
what what he's achieved at Manchester
City is absolutely breathtaking. And uh
Yeah, he'll be missed. You miss
characters like that. Um because
managers make this league a lot. Fans
make this league. The electricity of the
stadiums make this league, but managers
are the next most set of important
people. Cuz what the managers do is
really give the players the ability to
grow into superstars and give them that
sort of what will be that
that power that they have on the pitch.
The managers make that a lot. I think
managers, to be fair, contribute
enormously to this league.
Yeah, we saw with Jürgen Klopp, didn't
we, how much he's missed in terms of his
personality, his jewels with with um Pep
Guardiola since he arrived and so so on
and so forth. There's going to need to
be It's going to be fascinating to see
where where where it goes from there,
where the next sort of big rivalry is managerially.
managerially.
And we will come on to Mikel Arteta, but
you know, you're right. Klopp, Mourinho, Conte.
Conte.
Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsène Wenger. Um
Um
Obviously, Pep Guardiola. These managers
are giants.
And they have something They have an
aura. They have something special about them.
them.
Um and their presence is incredible for
the game. And and so you miss them when
they when they do go. Uh and Pep
Guardiola will be missed as a
personality and a character across the
Premier League.
If you listen very carefully, you can
probably hear the celebrations about 15
mi south of here as Arsenal parade the
the Premier League trophy at Selhurst Park.
Park.
Obviously, they've got the uh
the um Champions League final to focus
on next weekend. But, just a word on
them getting across the line, the way
they've done it, the celebrations, and
uh your overall thoughts on Mikel Arteta
and the job he's done. Yeah, this is the
first time I've actually uh been on
television since uh Arsenal won the
league, obviously, by City not winning
at Bournemouth on Tuesday evening. A
huge congratulations to Arsenal. Um
Um
what a journey they've been on.
And they've got over the line. And that
is so bloody difficult to do.
You know, they've been knocking on that
door now for 4-5 years. Credit to the
Arsenal hierarchy for building a plan,
for sticking with a plan. Credit to
Mikel Arteta. A game-changer for him.
He's a champion. He's a champion
manager. And it's great for him that
he's won it in a season where Pep Pep
Guardiola is still here.
That means so much more. People
I'm sure would agree with that because
you know, if he'd won it next season
when Pep Guardiola had left, there'd
always be a butt, wouldn't there? Yeah,
but but, you didn't You didn't do it
when Pep wasn't here when Pep was here.
It's massive for these Arsenal players.
It really, really is.
You know, when Declan Rice signed for
Arsenal, you thought that was a final
piece of the jigsaw. And he's had to
wait two or three seasons.
But, they've
adjusted each summer
to plug the gap that was missing the
previous season.
And this season, they've just
articulated the squad. I've got the the
style question, I don't even want to go
into it. You win that Premier League, I
don't care how you win it. I didn't care
how Leicester won it. I didn't care how
Blackburn won it. I didn't care how
Chelsea won it under Mourinho.
Sometimes, it just deemed as being a
little bit dour. Um or how we winning it
or are Pep Guardiola winning it? If you
get over the line in the Premier League,
you over 38 games have stood that sort
of what will be ultimate test of
endurance. You've been able to get there
and fight and
be on that roller coaster when it's in
that huge dip and then it comes up again
and you just it's that constant of not
knowing what's going to happen. And when
you've not done it before, which Mikel
Arteta and those players hadn't done
apart from Jesus,
it's the not knowing, it's the lack of
experience. But now they've experienced
everything. They've experienced
everything. They've experienced the
devastation of losing a Premier League
running once, twice, three times. But
they've now experienced coming out on
top. So they've they've been through it
over the last three or four players,
those Arsenal players, the manager and
the fans.
And well done to them for getting over
the line. I think he needed it this
season. It would have been desperate if
they hadn't have won it. The questions
would have been enormous and it would
have been a sorry story.
But they did it. And I say I I've got
enormous respect, enormous
admiration for them in terms of how
they've done it and how they've gone
about it because there was a thing that
was said six, seven, eight, 10 years
ago, you can't have a Sir Alex Ferguson
anymore. You can't have an Arsene Wenger
anymore. And what people meant by that
was that managers were going to get
sacked after one, two, three seasons.
No, that's not happened. Klopp, five,
six years before he got a Premier League
title. Mikel Arteta, five, six years
before a Premier League title. Pep
Guardiola been at Manchester City for 10
years. You know, they're massively long periods.
periods.
They're long stretches. There's patience
there where you can see progression and
a journey towards something that's good.
And I think that to be fair, you've seen
that patience still pays off in
football. And I have to say I thought in
the first couple of seasons Mikel Arteta
would do very well to finish higher than
third or fourth with this Arsenal.
Just the way they're built. He's got
them to the very pinnacle, the top of
the mountain. Well done. And I'm
actually really happy for him. I'm happy
for the players because I think that
ultimately it takes a lot to get there.
Takes a lot to get there. Takes even
more, as you know, to stay there.
Is this Arsenal side set up to be able
to do that going forward? Is it the the
right sort of mix? Do they need to add
again? What do you What do you see?
>> They will need to add to it, but I mean,
look, at this point right now, today,
where they've got a Champions League
final next Saturday, which is an
incredible opportunity to be to stretch
beyond anything you could ever imagine
as an Arsenal fan, because they've never
won that trophy. And that's the next
step after winning the league. But I
don't want to give the headline tonight,
Neville says that Arsenal have got to go
and win it again.
To be really recognized as champions.
No, I'm not I'm not in that mood. I'm
really happy for them for what they've
achieved this week. They should
celebrate celebrate it, and they have.
But now they've got a Champions League
final, and if they can go win that next
weekend against Paris Saint-Germain,
they'll have beat the best. They'll have
beat a Luis Enrique Paris Saint-Germain
team, and they'll beat a Pep Guardiola
Manchester City team. That's the way to
do it. If you're going to go and win
your first Premier League title for 22
years, go and beat the greatest of all
time. If you're going to go and win the
um Champions League, go and beat the
current holders of one of the greatest
managers that, you know, Europe has seen
in this last 10, 15 years. So, yeah,
this is massive for that for Arsenal
this week. Wish them all the very best
in the final. Um
but it's not a time to start talking
about are they built, I don't think, for
a second title run next year. They have
to be, let's be clear.
But what that means, I've not given it
too much consideration. There's going to
be a Champions League or World Cup that
we're all going to go to, and then we'll
start to think about, you know, do they
need another center forward to back up
your career?
Do they need another central midfield
player just in case Declan Rice or
Tchouaméni aren't quite there? So,
there's probably a couple of positions
that you'd still want to think about,
but they've got a lot of strength in
that squad.
You mentioned the Champions League
final. Can they do it? I mean, Paris
Saint-Germain seem to have everything in
their favor, but but Ars- Arsenal having
won the title, you feel that equips them
so much better than had they let it slip
away. Do you know what was so good for Arsenal?
Arsenal?
Them winning it four or five days early.
To allow them that extra, to allow them
that 15 days preparation, no, 12 13 days preparation.
preparation.
For this game against Paris Saint-Germain.
Saint-Germain.
So that
what's the team that they picked? I
think they went to the Arsenal by the way.
way.
>> Yeah, they won two. And what team did he
pick? What team did he pick?
>> Nine changes I think something like that.
that.
Max down and started and you know
>> Yeah. I think Declan Rice might have
come off the bench.
>> Yeah, so absolutely perfect. Let them
celebrate on Tuesday night.
Let them have
a couple of days off which is obviously
what happened. And then let them have a
long long long long long long build up
into this you know and it's more
recovery than training to be fair but
tactical for important. I'm sure they
won't start looking at that till Monday
morning but what they'll have on Monday
morning is a group of players who have
five six days rest.
And that's really important. So they'll
get the trophy tonight right now but I
suspect they'll go to bed they should be
going to bed quite early. They had their
celebration five days ago.
Now is to no celebration tonight. They
were in bed quite early then I think
it's about 6:00.
No, well done to Man United they saw
them out. I thought times had gone when
players were out till 5:00 6:00 in the
morning. If you win the Premier League
title you don't go to bed.
Fact. You do not go to bed. You stay up
all night. But that would have been tonight.
tonight.
And that it's it's important for them
that they've got that extra four or five
days. Gives them a free week now. It
gives them four five days of recovery
for all the players that are going to
start next Saturday and it gives them
now five or six days real good quality
build up. They're not in recovery mode
now those players from Monday morning
that are going to start against Paris
Saint-Germain next Saturday. So yeah.
It's going to be tough for them. I'll be
honest with you Bill because I think
that Paris Saint-Germain are a different level.
level.
And they've got what I call one of those obsessive
obsessive
And this is I say this with real
complimentary one of those maniac type
managers that are just winners, serial
winners. They've got that horribleness
about them inside and that they do
anything to win and they go and win and
Luis Enrique is one of the greats, he's
probably the greatest manager in the
world right now.
You know, with Pep Guardiola, but Pep
Guardiola, you know, he's not won a
league for 2 years. What Enrique is
doing at Paris Saint-Germain, winning,
getting to back-to-back Europe, this is
his moment.
So, Arsenal are going to be right up
against it because if you can win
back-to-back Champions Leagues,
you put yourself into a different sort
of planet. And that's what he's up for,
he wants that. He wants to beat all the
records. So, it's going to be very
difficult for Arsenal because they're up
against a team that are special, they
know how to do it, but they're in there
and they know how to defend. They've got
some match winners themselves. Um it's
going to be physically a really great
game because both teams are physically
fantastic. I'm really looking forward to
it. I have built my next Saturday early
evening around it. Uh I'm going to go
and watch Dermot Kennedy in the evening
in Manchester in a concert, but first
I'm going to watch this Champions League
final cuz I'm really fascinated by it.
But I think PSG,
if are the best team in Europe right
now. Arsenal going to going in there as
underdogs and going to have to
scrap and fight and get over the line
somehow if they're going to win it.
Fabulous clash of stars, won't it be? It
should be a brilliant watch. Yeah. Well,
I think we've covered most things, Gary.
That's it. That is the end of the
season, Mike drop.
A little bit I want to actually, to be
fair, uh at the end of the season, I
want to thank everybody who listens to
this podcast. There's quite a few people
what listen to it every single week or
watch it every single week on YouTube
and thank you to you, Bill, to Peter, or
to Robin, to Seb who's hosted it
throughout the season.
You never put on camera.
There's a good [laughter] There's a good
reason for that. There he is.
Yeah, yeah, always amazes me every
single week when the camera man gets
behind the camera and just says to Peter
or you or Seb or Rob, just get out of
the way or you just shift to that side.
I'm just sat here as if like I'm sort of
got no one with me, but yeah.
>> the Bill Leslie podcast.
>> Leslie and Gary Neville podcast. Yeah, I
really appreciate it and to everybody
who listens to this podcast every single
week. I love doing it. It's It's a quite
unique this podcast in the sense that
it's me just absolutely
chatting cabbage at times, not even
knowing what I'm saying because you just
sometimes got to drive your adrenaline
pumps having watched a game. I think
it's the setting of being on the gantry
up here that makes it a little bit
unique in the sense that it's actually a
little bit behind the scenes with all
these wires and these screens and David
Moyes is on there and sort of my glasses
are out and you thought you know, it's
just a little bit scruffy, but actually
it's really good to do and uh thank you
for to everybody for watching and
listening to it.
Well, that's that for the season.
Cheers, Gary.
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