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I suppose the pivotal point in my life

was a near-death experience at the age

of 18.

I had been for several years a rock

musician and leading that kind of lifestyle,

lifestyle,

which took me closer and closer to

something that was very

self-destructive, though I did not

intend it to be. And then I had an

overdose experience where I felt my soul

leaving my body and going off into this tunnelike

tunnelike

uh transition from time to eternity. And

I was speeding up and rushing through

this tunnel into another world. And I

had no idea what was awaiting me. And

because of that, thankfully I came back

from that negative experience. But it

left me pondering

who I was, why I was alive, what the

real purpose of life is. I drifted so

far from that. And so I made a radical

decision. A lot of my friends thought it

was very radical. I dropped out of

college with one intention and that was

to search for God and to search for

truth until I found both. And I I kind

of understood that if I found one I

would find the other. And at the time it

was very popular in western culture

especially to dive into eastern

religions. And I met an Indian guru

named Yogi Bahan who taught a mixture of

seekism and Hinduism and new age

spirituality. It was really a unique

brand to him. His group was called

Kundalini Yoga. And I got very deep into

the study of yoga. And incidentally the

word yoga means yoke. And the

implication is that you are yolked with

Brahman which is considered to be

ultimate reality in Hinduism but is

conceived to be an impersonal life force

and that you are yoking yourself with

that force that impersonal life force in

order to come into a point of

self-realization or God realization God

consciousness Christ consciousness

there's a lot of different names for it

but a state of enlightenment and I

searched after that passionately. Now I

might insert here that I was raised

Roman Catholic and I was very fervent

for a number of years. I was an ultra

boy. I attended parochial school at one

point. I was even on my way to a

monastery. So I was very passionate. But

in my teenage years, I drifted away from

that kind of life and that approach to

religion and spirituality altogether.

And when I began searching into Eastern

religions, I thought I had achieved a

much broader state of mind that I could

embrace the idea at that point that all

religions are just different paths to

ultimate reality. That seemed more

logical. It seemed more compassionate.

It seemed more tolerant.

But um of course now I see things

differently. But at the time I thought

it was growth spiritually for me to have

that mindset that I could embrace just

any kind of truth that claimed to be

truth and assimilated into my belief

system whether it was Buddhism or

Hinduism or Sikism or whatever religion

I might mention including Christianity.

So I was very very committed to it,

extremely committed because this goal

was of all goals the most important to

come into a relationship with God or to

achieve God consciousness. What could be

more important than that? So I devoted

myself 14 hours a day in solitude. And I

know that sounds very extreme to a lot

of people, but in the ashram I joined,

we would get up at 3:30 in the morning

and start the day with about an hour of

asas, which are the physical yoga

exercises, which incidentally are

supposed to connect you with individual

gods. Every yoga posture is dedicated to

a specific Hindu deity and it's actually

an invocation to that deity to come and

somehow influence your life and manifest

in your life and impart to you certain

characteristics that deity has. And

that's unknown to a lot of people that

just do basic yoga. They go to tune up

their body. They attend a hot yoga

class. They don't know that every one of

those particular asas has a specific

purpose attached to it. And of course,

the ultimate goal is the awakening of

the condundalini, which I'll get into

more later. But uh anyway, I I I was

very devoted. We would spend about an

hour doing asas and then we do

pranayyama which are the breathing

exercises where you control your

breathing in such a way that is supposed

to heighten your consciousness and then

different types of meditation. See

kundalini yoga assimilated hat yoga and

raja yoga and mantra yoga and a lot of

other types of yoga into it under its

umbrella. And then we would also chant

mantras for long periods of time,

sometimes 30 minutes, 60 minutes. One of

the mantras that we use quite often that

most people involved in condalini yoga

would use went like this. Akonar satnam

sir guru. And the reason I mention it is

because of the subtlety of the message

that was actually veering into something

that was untrue.

Ekonar means there is one God. Satnam

means truth is his name and ekonar

satnam siriwa guru the holy spirit is

our teacher and there's different

interpretations of what those words mean

but we were basically told back then

that's what the meaning was well all

those things are true but now I see them

from a biblical standpoint and they mean

something much different

because when I as a Christian now say

there is one God I mean something

completely different from a Hindu that

says there is one God or a Muslim that

says there is one God. Across the board

all three worldviews make that

declaration but mean completely

different things by it. And I'm not sure

that's something people really understand.

understand.

For instance, when a Hindu says there is

only one God, then he's saying that

there's an underlying spiritual

presence. As I said, Brahman, there's an

underlining uh underlying spiritual

presence, a life force that is within

every plant, every animal, every human

being, and manifests in different types

of spirituality, different types of

religion. And so the source is the same

similar to Star Wars where uh Darth

Vader the villain can tap into the force

in order to activate evil qualities and

powers and Luke Skywalker can tap into

the same force to activate heroic deeds

that are done by that power. And yet

they're both sourcing the same place.

They're both drawing their power from

the same place according to that

fictional story. Well, in like manner,

that's basically the idea that's given

in Hinduism that all religions have this

basic underlying influence of the same

spirit, the same life force. And so when

a Hindu says there is only one God, he's

saying that all interpretations of God

and all approaches to God are legitimate.

legitimate.

And then on the opposite end of the

pole, you have Islam

that believes that there is only one God

to the exclusion of all others. The

Hindu point of view is all inclusive.

The Muslim point of view is exclusive

because to a Muslim only Allah is God.

And one of the worst sins you can commit

in Islam is called sherk. And sherk

means attributing divinity to anything

or anyone other than Allah. And Allah

exists separate from the physical

creation. While many Hindus believe that

Brahman, the ultimate reality, is

permeating all of the universe and that

there's a divine essence in everything.

And that's based on something called

pantheism. Without getting too

complicated, pantheism is the idea that

the universe is not a creation of God

that exists apart from him, but rather

an emanation of God. So that all

physical matter is actually spirit

manifested. And so because of that, when

a Muslim says there is only one God,

he's he's against every other worldview

in saying that because as a Christian, I

believe Jesus was God manifested in the

flesh, which would be a transgression of

that sin that Muslims call shirt because

I believe he was the divinity. He was

all divinity. He was the father

manifested in a physical form in the

form of his son in this world. So

the reason I brought that out is because

now you see that three people can say

the same thing and yet mean three

different things by it. The Hindu can

say there is one God. It's all

inclusive. And the Muslim can say there

is one God and it's totally exclusive.

But I as a Christian also will say there

is only one God. But I believe that

there is only one God according to the

biblical revelation.

And that is so unique that you don't

find it in any other worldview in the

world that the Godhead is comprised of

the father, the son, and the holy

spirit. And these three are one god.

There is only one god yet three

expressions of the godhead. And that's

father, son, and holy spirit. So there

is only one god. But now I see it much

differently than back when I was

involved in yoga. Now incidentally that

was in 1970 that I got very deeply

committed to the study of yoga. I

eventually left the ashram that I helped

to form in the beginning with several

other people in Daytona Beach, Florida

and felt overwhelmed with the desire to

go to Tampa, Florida. Now, I believe it

was God leading me even before I knew

him because some very pivotal things and

important things happened in Tampa. I

went down there and opened up an ashroom

and obtained free reign from four

universities to use their facilities to

offer yoga classes. And so I was

teaching yoga at four universities in

the Tampa, Florida area. University of

South Florida, University of Tampa,

Florida Presbyterian,

which uh they they should have known

better than opening their door to my

influence. But then also a school down

in uh Sarasota called New College. And I

think they have a different name now,

but I had about 300 students who thought

I was their guru. And incidentally, the

word guru comes from two root words, gu

and rue, that mean out of darkness into

the light. And that's what a guru is

supposed to do. The word guru basically

means a teacher who's supposed to bring

you out of darkness into light. But you

can't take anyone to a place you haven't

been yourself. And because I had never

really encountered the true light, the

Bible calls Jesus the true light that

lights every man that comes into the

world. Then I could not lead anyone else

there. And someone just recently

commented to me. They said, "You got

stuck in the goo, didn't you?" Yes, I

did. I I I was in darkness thinking I

was in the light. And that's possibly

why Jesus warned his disciples and said,

"Take heed, lest the light that is in

you be darkness, for great is that

darkness." If you claim to be in the

light and yet you're really walking in

spiritual darkness, that's an even more

intense darkness than someone who

recognizes they have a dark lifestyle

that needs to change. Well, let me share

with you the miraculous things that

happened that brought me to a salvation

experience because I was totally totally

committed to a far eastern world view. I

was totally committed to the idea that

that there were 330 million gods in

Hinduism that were all emanated out of

Brahman. I was totally committed to the

idea that God was within every human

being. And to find gods, you look within.

within.

And then the Tampa Trabune newspaper

came out and did an article on me. They

thought I was an oddity in their

community, a yoga teacher running a yoga

ashroom. Nothing like that had ever

happened in Tampa before. And I thought

the article would cause my classes to

mushroom. Instead, it alerted a local

prayer group to begin praying for me on

an ongoing basis. and they had a 24-hour

prayer chain and they cut the article

out of the paper, sent it to all their

prayer warriors and assigned everyone

that task of praying for me every hour

of every day along with many other

prayer requests that they were all

focused on. But see, I'm getting 24-hour

intercession going up to heaven, going

up to God uh in my behalf. How do you

escape that? I'm sure the wheels started

turning in heaven so to speak and within

3 weeks God started responding in a very

detailed way where different things

connected to bring forth my salvation

experience. First of all, I got a letter

from an old friend of mine and he and I

had both quit college for the same

reason and that was to study under

different gurus. He went with a totally

different person. And he wrote me this

letter that was completely unexpected.

And he told me how he had heard an

audible voice when he walked in a

church. He heard an audible voice say,

"Jesus is the only way." And he said at

that precise moment, he felt the spirit

of God fall on him and fill him up and

he was born again.

Now, I was raised Catholic and we never

heard the phrase being born again in the

Catholic Church. In fact, Catholic

doctrine teaches that when a child is

sprinkled at birth, which I was, that's

when that child is born again and that's

when the spirit of God comes to live in

that child and that's when that child

receives the gift of eternal life and

that child is positioned in Christ and

becomes a new creature in Christ and

becomes a part of the church. Well, none

of those things happened to me when I

was a a little infant. In fact, if I had

truly been born again as an infant, I

believe I would have been a much better

person growing up. I would have had a

connection with God, a personal

relationship with God that I never had

as a Catholic. But that phrase intrigued

me, being born again, spiritual rebirth,

where the spirit of God came into him.

And I knew here I teach as a yoga

teacher that God's already inside of

everyone. And my friend was saying, "No,

that's the wrong perspective. God's

external and he comes into your heart

when your heart is cleansed by the blood

of Jesus." where you asked for Jesus to

save you because of what he endured on

the cross. Where he became sin for us,

paying the price, the necessary price

for our sin, which was voiced by God in

the beginning, he said, "In the day you

eat thereof, you shall surely die." So

the outcome of sin is death. And Jesus

took our place in death. not only mine

but every human being that ever has

lived or ever will live or is living

right now, he paid the substitutionary

price. That's what Larry communicated in

his letter. And I thought, I don't

believe that. Uh I thought that doesn't

make logical sense. What I believe right

now just seems so much more logical. And

I tried to shove it out of my mind, but

I kept thinking over and over again

about being born again. being filled

with the spirit of God. And finally

after I don't know how long it was,

maybe 7 days, 10 days, it just kept

weighing on my mind. I thought I am a

truth seeker.

And if I'm a truth seeker, I've got to

humbly open myself up to something even

if it seems illogical. So, I decided I'm

going to dedicate one day to Jesus and

I'm going to ask him if he's real. If

he's the savior of the world, if he's

the only way to get back to a

relationship with the father, as my

friend claimed, he quoted John 14:6

where Jesus said, "I am the way and the

truth and the life, and no one comes to

the father but by me."

I thought that that's either the claim

of an insane, self-diluted maniac or he

really was who he claimed to be. So I

thought there's a lot on the line here.

But I said, Jesus, if you truly are the

savior of the world, then give me a sign

today. Give me a sign. And I was

expecting something to happen like

happened to Larry. But God is unique in

the way he reaches out to every

individual. And it was completely

different for me. I heard no audible

voice. I had no initial encounter like

that. But uh I did I did meet someone

who was God's spokesman to me. That day

I dedicated to Jesus. I decided I'm not

going to meditate. I'm not going to do

pranayyama. I'm not going to do asas.

I'm not going to do anything associated

with yoga. I'm not going to read the

Bhagavad Gita. I'm not going to read the

vas during my time of meditating on

Hindu scripture. All I'm going to do is

read the Bible and pray to Jesus. 14

hours. 14 hours reading the Bible and

praying to the Lord Jesus Christ. If

you're real, show me. Nothing happened.

No voice, no supernatural phenomenon, no

apparition, no visitation, but God had

his own way of reaching me. That

afternoon I was supposed to teach a yoga

class at University of South Florida and

I was running a little late because of

what I've been doing. So I had to

hitchhike. Uh and the reason I had to

walk or hitchhike everywhere is I'd made

a commitment. This is how passionate I

was about finding God. I had made a

commitment to own no material things

except what was absolutely necessary

which was about one change of clothes

and a few eating utensils. And that's

all that I called my own. And I would

have given that away quickly if I needed

to. But I stepped out on the road

hitchhiking to go teach it at the

university and God's timing was precise.

It was amazing. I still look back after

over 50 years and I marvel at how God

connected all these things together. One

of the members of the prayer group was

two miles away from me at that very

moment walking into a laundromat and the

Holy Spirit spoke to him and said,

"Don't go in there. Get back in your van

and start driving. I've got a job for

you to do. That's all the instructions

God gave." And he was a member of the

prayer group that had been praying for

me for several weeks. And I had heard

about him because he was a former devote

to yogaandanda. And Yogaandanda um is

not known to a lot of people but to

those in the yoga community he's well

known. He wrote a book called

Autobiography of a Yogi and his

particular sect is Ka Yoga. Very popular

among those that are devoted to that

mindset. So, I'd heard about him because

someone had told me that this guy was

really deep into it and a really

advanced yoga student and their wording

was he fell away from it and got hung up

with a bunch of Jesus freaks on the

other side of Tampa. So, I'd kind of

vaguely heard about him. He had heard

about me because he'd been praying for

me for three weeks. I step out on the

road hitchhiking. He makes two or three

definite turns by the leadership of the

Holy Spirit. God kept giving him

impulses. Turn here, turn there. He saw

me hitchhiking. He told me later on that

he never picked up hitchhikers,

especially people that look like I did

at the time, but he said he felt that

compulsion again and pulled over to the

side of the road. And I opened the door

to his van and my heart jumped because

on the ceiling of his van, he had taped

a picture of Jesus. And I knew this was

no coincidence. This was a God incident,

not a coincidence. And for a few

minutes, he just kind of passed the time

of day talking about the weather or

something like that, asking me where I

needed to go. And then he kind of paused

and broke the silence and said, "Friend,

can I ask you a question?" Well, I'm

waiting. I'm on the edge of my seat. I

said, 'Yes.' He said, "Have you ever

experienced Jesus Christ coming into

your heart?" I said, "No, but when can

I?" And he gave me this look of complete

surprise because in other words, his

look was communicating, "You're not

supposed to give in that quick. You're

supposed to discuss it for a while." And

uh he said, 'Well, you can come to our

prayer meeting tonight. I said, 'I don't

want to wait for a prayer meeting. I've

been praying all day long, praying and

reading the Bible, praying and reading

the Bible. And I said, I'm ready for the

encounter. He said, "Okay." And he

pulled over into the parking lot, the

nearest parking lot he came to. And God

was kind of sweet to work things out for

him and me both because it was the

parking lot of a different laundromat.

So his eyes got bright and he said,

"I'll be back in just a minute." And

took his clothes in and threw them in uh

to wash while we talked. And then uh we

discussed the Bible for a little while.

And I told him I had some hurdles and he

kept overriding them. I said, "I can

never believe the Bible is God's

inspired word written by 40 people over

1500 years. I can't believe that's God's

inspired word." And he just smiled at me

real big and said, "Don't worry about

that. Just try Jesus." And then I told

him another concern I had. I said, "Uh,

one thing about Christianity I have the

hardest time embracing." I said, "I

can't believe that there's only one

life. if I believe in reincarnation and

I'm sold on it. Nothing will make me

quit believing in reincarnation. Once

again, he gave me this big beaming smile

and he said, "Don't worry about that.

Just try Jesus." And he kept dismissing

all these intellectual arguments I had

against Christianity because he knew

that if I ever had an encounter with the

Lord Jesus that other things would sort

themselves out as I studied the word of

God and that the spirit of truth, the

Holy Spirit would lead me into all truth

once I was born again. So he knew that

was the issue to pursue and that was the

goal to pursue. So he persuaded me and I

said, "Man, I don't want to wait for a

prayer meeting." I said, "If I can find

Jesus, let's pray right now." So we went

around to the back of the van where

there was room and we both knelt down in

the back of the van. And I prayed a

simple prayer. I stumbled my way through

the prayer. In fact, my mind was kind of

screaming out against it in one way

because it seemed illogical to me to ask

him to wash my sins away when I believed

in karma as a yoga teacher. But I I was

willing I was willing to break through

the prison and now I see it as a prison

of that belief system that had held me

captive for a season. And I said,

"Jesus, if you're there and if you can

hear me, then I invite you to come into

my heart. Wash my sins away in your

blood. Be Lord of my life, and I

renounce all false religion and accept

only the truth." And you said, "I am the

truth, so I accept you into my life."

And then something happened. I felt the

spirit of God come into me. And it was

so real. It was so unmistakable. It was

so undeniable

that I knew I had to leave all the other

beliefs I'd held to for so long behind.

And of course, I rejoiced for a while,

praise God for a while. We discussed the

Bible a little bit longer, but then I

noticed the time and I said, "I've got

to get to my class." But I also knew

that I couldn't teach them yoga. I knew

that the two worldviews could not be

mixed. In fact, many Hindu leaders say

there's no Hinduism without yoga.

There's no yoga without Hinduism. And I

knew that the two approaches were

completely incompatible.

>> Now, Mike, before you move on, c could

you for people who have never

experienced what you just shared, you

know, like you in that time not ever

feeling the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

Spirit.

>> Oh, it was so wonderful. Can you spend a

little bit more time for those people

who may not know

um what give us a little bit more of

what you felt or what you saw what

happened in that moment?

>> Well, in that moment I had a warm

sensation in the deep part of my heart

in the depth of my spirit and more than

anything there was a inner knowing that

came with it that I had finally found

the truth. It was indescribable in some

ways that I just had this solid

understanding. Yes, I'm a child of God

now. I finally had become a child of God

in a supernatural sense. I believe all

human beings are children of God in a

natural sense. in the sense of the fact

that God created the whole world and all

people and all races and they're and

they're children of God after a natural

sense, but they still need to be born

again in order to become a part of the

family of God in a supernatural sense.

And that's what happened to me when he

prayed with me. When I asked Jesus, when

I invited him to be Lord of my life, I

encountered his reality. And you really

have to encounter his reality to be able

to understand it. There's no way of

really putting it into descriptive words

except it's not mental. It's not

emotional alone. It certainly affects

you mentally. It affects you

emotionally, but it's spiritual. It's a

supernatural encounter where you know

I'm home. I've finally come back to my

heavenly father and we're finally one

again after so many years of being

separate from God. And uh it's a

wonderful feeling and it's not it's not

like the thing you seek for in yoga

which is some kind of awakening

uh in the sense of a a spiritual power

being awakened within you so that you

have this level of consciousness that

you've never achieved before. It's not

that mechanical. It's not that it's not

that um impersonal. if you would please.

Uh because it was a very personal

connection with my heavenly father and

it was so real. I knew that I had to

announce it to my class. And so I asked

the guy who won me to the Lord to go

with me cuz I was this was also new to

me. I needed some help. And I stood up

in front of my students and said, uh,

I'm sorry to announce this, but I'm

happy to announce this, that I have

misled you in what I've taught you all

the time you've been coming to my

classes and I've just discovered that

Jesus is the only way and all religions

will not rel lead you to God and

meditation will not lead you to a

conscious awareness of God. I said,

you've got to accept Jesus as your Lord

and Savior. Well, most of my students

looked at me with complete shock because

they did not believe that their guru had

become a Jesus freak in their

terminology. And yet

there was no way the two worldviews

could mix because there's such

differences. And I'll go into the

differences more in just a little bit.

But I went back to all my yoga classes

that uh in that area that I had been

teaching. And that same week I shut down

my yoga ashroom, dismissed all my

classes. Most of my main students became

Christians also. And that was the

beginning of my journey in Christianity.

And I went and joined a Christian

commune in Central Florida where there

were a number o of others that lived and

and and studied the Bible on a constant

basis. We all had day jobs, but then

we'd have prayer meetings at night at

7:00 that would always last till about

midnight. And we would study the word

intently and passionately to understand

the word of God. But it began to

dismantle my belief system. And

strangely as I went through, and by

dismantling I mean that in a good way.

All the former beliefs I had held

started being challenged by the truth

that I was being introduced to.

And I might mention a few ways. For

instance, um we would chant that mantra

over and over again. And other mantras

like the word. Uh that's a common chant

that people use. Uh and it's a triune

sounding word when you get into the

depth of the explanation of what the

word means. It's uh an invocation to the

three primary gods in Hinduism which are

Brahma the creator god, Vishnu the

preserver god and Shiva the destroyer

god. And each sound a U m is supposed to

be an invocation to one of those gods to

come and manifest in your life and in

your body and in your spirit. And a lot

of people don't realize that word.

>> And Mike, just to clarify, when you say,

are you talking about when people are

like um or they

>> Yeah. Yeah. in a yoga class when they

say the word m uh actually the belief is

that that was the first word

>> accompanying the manifestation of the

universe that came forth from the

godhead. So it's like the primordial

sound and when you chant the word m

you're going back to your original

source and that enables you to

experience this higher level of

consciousness and incidentally

that level of consciousness is called

god consciousness in uh Hinduism and new

age spirituality and yet not all Hindus

believe this but many Hindus believe

that means a conscious awareness that

you are God or you are a manifestation

of God along with every other human

being which now I see as the antithesis

of the truth. You can't get as far away

from truth as that. That's as far away

from what's right and real as you can be

because we are not God. We are not

manifestations of God. And yet that's

what realization you're supposed to come

to when you achieve the highest state of

meditation in yoga. In fact, I mentioned

a while ago that I would eventually come

back to this thought. The whole goal of

yoga was the awakening of the condalini.

Now, what is that? That's completely a

foreign term to a lot of people, but the

word condolini means serpent power. And

it's envisioned by those who embrace a

yoga worldview, a Hindu worldview that

there is a latent energy at the base of

the spine that is coiled like a serpent

at rest within every human being. And

that is the divine essence according to

Hindu teaching. That is the divine

essence within every human being. And

through the asenas, through the

pranayyama, through the mantra yoga, the

chanting and mantras that is awakened.

And incidentally, I need to add a

conclusion that I didn't bring out when

I was talking about the mantras we used

to chant. Jesus said in his first

discourse, the sermon on the mount, "Use

not vain repetitions like the heathen

do, for they believe that they'll be

heard for their much speaking." And so

that kind of jarred me when I first

encountered those words. Do not use vain

repetition. I thought, why? Because it's

treating God in a very mechanical way.

You would never approach a fellow human

being by saying the same sentence over

and over and over again for a half hour,

for an hour, for two hours in a monotone

fashion. It would not be long before

that person would leave your presence

and think you'd gone completely crazy.

To try and communicate that way and to

approach God that way, I believe is an

insult to the intelligence of God. is

treating God like a force, not like a

person. Because real prayer is

communication with God in a personal

relationship, not manipulation of God by

the right incantation. And that's what a

mantra is supposed to do. You're

manipulating the force to do what you

want it to do because of your secret

words that you're using in mantrlike

fashion, which I believe is wrong. I

believe it's a wrong approach to God

altogether. And Jesus said to the woman

at the well

that true worshippers worship the father

in spirit and in truth. For the father

seeks such to worship him. And one of

the ways we worship God in truth is to

use correct methods in approaching him.

I believe to worship God in truth means

to worship him sincerely, to worship him

honestly, to worship him using correct

methods, and to worship him with the

right revelation of his nature and the

right understanding of the correct

approach to God. Five things you've got

to do to really worship God in truth.

Jesus never told the woman at the well

she was not a worshshiper but he said a

true worshipper will worship the father

in spirit and truth. And so there are

many Hindus that are very sincere in

worshiping God. There are many newagers

that are very sincere, many Muslims that

are very sincere in worshiping God. I do

not deny that fact that they are

worshippers. But to be a true worshipper

that connects with the father, that

communes with the father, that becomes

one with the father, we have to use true

methods. And so a lot of these things

got sorted out for me. Uh because well,

it's kind of strange, but because of a

statement my former guru made, it made

me start re-evaluating all these issues.

He said during one of his teachings that

Jesus was an avatar.

Now of course Hindus believe there have

been many avatars and the word avatar

means an incarnation of God on earth. I

know now it means a representation uh of

a person online in a game or a social

media platform and they have an avatar.

It's a representative image. Well, they

draw that whether they know it or not

from Hinduism, which taught that God has

had many forms that he's assumed in

visiting this world. And Jesus, of

course, could be one of many. But this

is the clincher. The guru I studied

under said Jesus was an avatar. And

because he was an avatar, he could only

speak the truth. Well, after my initial

encounter with the Lord, I started

pondering that. I thought, well, if

Jesus could only speak the truth,

then I need to inspect what he taught.

And as I inspected what he taught, it

started showing me that so much was

completely contrary to what the guru

taught. For instance, my guru taught

that Jesus was an illegitimate child.

That God could never be so personal as

to overshadow a virgin and plant a seed

of life within her womb. And yet the

whole story of Jesus communicates

irrefutably that he was born of a virgin

and the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary

and that that was formed of her inside

of her was the son of God. So there is a

breach between the guru's teaching and

what the Bible says and what Jesus

taught. And then of course the guru I

studied under many times referenced the

need to work out our negative karma that

the only way to escape the cycle of

rebirth which according to Hinduism can

take place over a million times over a

million incarnations into human forms in

this world. And in order to escape this

cycle of rebirth,

uh then you've got to somehow deal with

all your negative karma and and you've

got to have only a clean slate, no

negative karma whatsoever, and then

you're released to uh ascend to a higher

state spiritually.

Well, Jesus didn't talk about us getting

rid of negative karma, which is a

self-achieved salvation. That's you

becoming good enough to earn some kind

of transcendent state. But he said as he

passed the cup at the last supper,

listen to his words. He said, "This is

the cup of the new testament in my

blood. my blood which is shed for many

for the remission of sins. So Jesus

taught that the shedding of his blood

would be the means by which sin is

remitted. That means there's no karma if

there was such a thing. And now I

believe uh quite differently that the

that karma and reincarnation are false ideas.

ideas.

reincarnation and I and I have a a

chapter in my book instantly I would

urge people to get my book in search of

the true light because I deal with a lot

of these issues in great depth and in

there is a section where I give 13

reasons I no longer believe in

reincarnation and I don't believe in it

anymore. Uh, and there's a lot of

directions I could go to try and support

that statement, but one of the main

reasons is uh, salvation is not

self-achieved. Salvation is not

something you can work for. It's a gift

that comes from God. Ephesians 2:8 says,

"By grace you are saved through faith,

and that not of yourselves. It is the

gift of God, not of works, lest any man

should boast." So none of us can earn a

relationship with God or earn eternal

life by our own efforts. And there's a

lot of other reasons I don't believe in

reincarnation anymore.

One of uh of the main reasons is it

decreases the value of every human

being. Because if you've got a bad life

with a bunch of bad situations, well

then that's just a discardable life of

hundreds of thousands of lives and that

you're going to evolve in new

incarnations, new human beings that will

get you closer to the goal of finally

being released from the bondage of a

personality, a human personality. Now,

think of this. If God on an ultimate

level is

a person impersonal God as Hinduism

teaches, if God on an ultimate level is

an impersonal force, then we on an

ultimate level to go back to Godhead

become impersonal. So we shed all of our personalities

personalities

as human beings and blend in with some

kind of superal supernatural force that

is omniscient omnipresent

utter bliss etc. But we lose our

personality in the process. Well,

Christianity approaches it completely

different because in Christianity, the

individual has eternal value, infinite

value. And each individual is destined

not for reincarnation but for resurrection.

resurrection.

And if we receive Jesus as our Lord and

Savior, Jesus himself promised

resurrection. He did not believe in

reincarnation. He believed in

resurrection. And again, my guru's

statement came back to my mind when I

was studying this contrast. He said

Jesus was an avatar. So everything he

said had to be true. And yet Jesus said

in John chapter 5, he he he said uh he

that believes on me, though he were

dead, yet shall he live. And and and he

also said, I will raise him up at the

last day. And John chapter 11, he said,

I am the resurrection and the life. And

he who believes on me, though he were

dead, yet shall he live. So he taught

the resurrection of these physical

bodies from the dust. Even if it goes

totally back to corruption, that's no

limitation to God. If he created Adam

from dust in the beginning, he can

create us eternal and glorified from the

basic dustlike remains that uh are left

over from our bodies. And that's God's

pattern. That's the biblical pattern.

And so that was an area that I knew uh

Jesus differed in. And another very

important issue, another very very

important issue is this. As a yoga

teacher, I believed in pantheism. I

believed that everything had a divine

essence and everything was an emanation

out of the godhead. and the material

world around us is all an illusion and

it's all going to return back to Godhead

one day. That was my belief back then

when I was a yoga teacher. However, if

you believe

that then like Daoism, which is ancient

Chinese religion, then you have to

attribute evil and good, darkness and

light to the godhead. Because if

everything is God, then God is both evil

and God is good as well. God is both

darkness and light. And that's what the

yin-yang symbol, in fact, if you're

unfamiliar with it, that symbol is on

the cover here. That's the symbol of Dowoism,

Dowoism,

uh, ancient Chinese religion, and it's

representative of the idea, and let me

insert this, that, and the way they came

to that conclusion is that this world is

full of dualism. You have mountains and

valleys. You have joy and sorrow. You

have purity and corruption. You have

male and female. You have life and

death. You have you have all these

dualities we deal with every single day

in this world. And so the assumption

in Dowoism is that because the creation

is full of dualities, whatever brought

it forth into being must have a dual

nature as well. Because you have evil

and good, darkness and light in this

world. Then whatever source brought

forth this universe must have evil and

good, darkness and light. But that

taints the godhead. That accuses God

with evil in his nature, which is

absolutely false. The only way God can

be exempt from that is if God exists

apart from the creation. And if God

exists apart from the creation, then the

evil that is here cannot be attributed

to him. See, and that's a very very

important point because the Bible says

God is light and in him is no darkness

at all. And that God is just and in him

there is no injustice. So if God is

separate from the creation, then we have

to be reunited with him. It's not an

awakening. Now I told you about the

condundalini. Let me continue with

what's supposed to happen. When you

meditate on this thing they call the

serpent power. And really that should

have put up a red flag in my mind

immediately because I knew enough about

the Bible growing up to know that a

serpent is symbolic of evil. A serpent

is symbolic of that which is satanic.

And yet they call it the serpent power

in Hinduism.

And that through meditation, through the

chanting and mantras, through the

breathing exercises, through the asas,

the physical exercises, that power that

is latent and dormant at the base of the

spine is like a serpent awakes to

strike. It awakes and travels up through

the spine. Not really the physical

spine, but the same basic location. and

it travels up through you to what they

term and I don't believe in these

concepts anymore the third eye and the

crown chakra and that's when this this

inner presence or essence of divinity

becomes one with Shiva or becomes one

with the oversoul becomes one with

Brahman and you go out into God

consciousness and that's your spiritual

awakening when the serpent power is

awakened within you. Well, I believe now

that that is a very dark thing and there

are people who have experienced quote

unquote condundalini awakenings. uh

according to the gurus I studied under

they said if this ever happens to you

prematurely it can drive you insane or

it can awaken dark occultic powers in

you that will be unmanageable

and since the time of my conversion I

have searched the Bible from one cover

to the next and I've never found a

person in the Bible that ever had an

encounter with the true God that went

insane as a result or that had the

stirring up of dark occultic powers. As

a result, it only

it only brings forth fullness and

completion and wholeness in a person's

life. It doesn't result in a fractured

mind or a fractured personality that is

subject to these dark kind of forces.

And so that leads me all the more to

know and I do absolutely know that the

power that is unleashed in meditation is

not the true spirit of God. It's an

impersonating spirit. It's a demonic

spirit that uh that gives you the sense

that you're entering into some kind of

white light or entering into some kind

of higher consciousness. But it's a

spiritual delusion. And uh only

encountering Jesus would convince a

person of that. So there you have it.

You have some of the differences. Jesus

also advocated the ten commandments. He

he told someone who came to him, "What

can I do to be saved?" He said, "Keep

the commandments." Well, the first two

commandments are, "I am the Lord your

God. You shall have no other gods before

me." Well, wait a second. and I believed

in all these deities and yet he said you

shall have no other gods before me. And

he said you shall not make any graven

images. Well, in Hinduism they have all

kinds of idols and images that are

representations of God that they bow

before. They put fruit and flowers and

incense in front of those idols. And

Jesus advocated

the commandments to speak against those

practices. So that was a complete break

with the worldview that I embraced as a

yoga teacher and I knew that the Bible

was the source of truth after that. And

I just cannot overemphasize

that uh it's not unloving, it's not

uncompassionate to say there's one way,

but it's very loving and very

compassionate. Not because I'm pitting

myself against those who believe

differently. I'm not trying to argue my

case and prove you wrong. I'm lovingly

out of the depth of my heart pleading

with you, open your heart just like I

did because you'll find out that Jesus

really is the Messiah. He really rose

from the dead. Buddha died of food

poisoning at the age of 80 and never

came out of the grave. And as far as we

know, well, supposedly his remains have

been scattered in shrines all over India

and outside of India, too. But he's

never come back from that state.

However, Jesus died a much more brutal

and terrible death than food poisoning.

And yet, 3 days later, he arose from the

dead and proved himself alive by

appearing to his disciples. So, that's a

completely different approach. And I

think it's important to see that because

they're not compatible. You can't say,

"Well, Jesus

was one of many Christs. Jesus was one

of many ascended masters." Well, then

why? If he was only capable of teaching

the truth, did he teach resurrection

instead of reincarnation?

And of course there's many arguments

that people offer or many ideas they

offer to try and get around that. But

his worldview was unique in itself. And

his worldview is what works because it

brings completion and wholeness into our lives.

lives.

Mike, what do you We're in a whole

different time today where uh from

1975 to 2025,

this has only increased

uh the popularity of yoga

>> and new age uh religions and

>> uh what do you make all of this today as

you've gone and spent time with the Lord

and reflecting on your testimony and all

of the things that you did at one time

and uh what do you make out of what's

happening in today's time? Well, I I do

believe and this might sound extreme to

some people, but I do believe the yoga

movement that promotes the idea of the

unity of all religions

is a precursor of the antichrist because

the antichrist will be a unifying

individual that will unify the world

politically and financially through the

world banking system, politically

through the new world order and the

antichrist will unify the world

spiritually and religiously through the

new age movement. And incidentally, I

probably should talk a little bit about

the new age movement and how it even

gets that name because that's an

interesting thing. So uh if if you've

got a milder presentation of the idea

that all religions are one in the form

of a yoga studio where people go and do

yoga postures to uh to just relax and

get some peace of mind and meditate a

little bit to be able to face life

better is preparing them for an

individual that will come into the world

and claim that he's God that he's the

Messiah. the coming world teacher. And

the thing is almost all religions have

in their forecast for the future some

type of messiah-like figure who is

supposed to come. Uh the uh the Buddha

uh the oh I I don't remember the name of

it right now. Uh but the there's a

supreme Buddha that is supposed to come

in the future. And then there's other

religious leaders. Well, the Immadi uh

in Islam is supposed to be the leader

that is to come. So, this person will

supposedly blend all those roles

together into a one world religion. And

I believe that's why there's such a

surge of interest in yoga and meditation

because it's preparing people's minds

and hearts for something more intense.

>> And and can you talk about the the new

age? And you said you had some

information on that,

>> right? Well, yeah, I thought this would

be good. Uh when I was a yoga teacher, I

used to read uh I used to read the

Aquarian gospel.

And the Aquarian gospel was supposedly a

gospel that unveiled the secret

teachings of Jesus that were new age and

far eastern in essence. But the word

Aquarian comes from an astrolog

astrological idea because supposedly

according to my guru's teachings and the

teachings of many people we are on the

cusp of a new age and see astrology teaches

teaches

that the sun passes through 12 houses as

it circuits the earth and of course is

based on a false view of the solar

system. So now it's symbolic in essence.

It's not scientific in essence because

originally they thought the sun did

revolve around the earth but of course

it's been discovered that no uh the

earth revolves around the sun but still

the basis of astrology is that the sun

passes through 12 houses and each one of

those houses is an age that lasts about

2200 years and that we are in the

Piscian age right now which is an age of

intellectual development an age of

mechanical advancement and scientific

advancement in the world. But there's

still a lot of problems like hunger and

war and uh racism and things like that.

But that we are on the cusp of a new age

called the Aquarian age. And the

Aquarian age is supposedly a time when

all humanity will be awakened to God

consciousness and it will become like a

heaven on earth existence and peace will

reign in the world. there'll be no more

war and basic problems like sickness and

disease will be done away with and

racism will be no more and uh and the

human race will just be living on a

level of godlikeness as we've never seen

before. And so that's this this

passionate goal that many have to usher

us into the new age to usher us into the

new age. And that's what the new age

movement is all about. Some people who

profess the faith in new the new age

movement believe in a mass coming of

Christ. What do I mean by that? They

believe that the second coming of Christ

and they would envision the word Christ

as meaning something different than the

person of Jesus. But the second coming

of Christ is a h a blanket so to speak

of influence around the globe where

everyone is awakened to their Christ

nature and they walk in Christ

consciousness which is an awareness of

your own divinity and that's why we'll

be lifted to a whole new evolved state

as the human race.

Other newagers believe there will be an

actual individual that will be the world

teacher that will usher us in to the new

age. But both of them are heralding the

coming of this new astrological age. And

the one thing I don't like about

astrology more than anything else, and I

just did a podcast on seven reasons I do

not believe in astrology, but this is

one major one. It has what you call a

cyclical view of the future where the

Bible has a linear view of the future.

In astrology, we may come into the quote

unquote Aquarian age, but it won't be

too many thousand years before we start descending again into this horrible

descending again into this horrible state that humans once lived in. And

state that humans once lived in. And then it happens over and over and over

then it happens over and over and over again. A infinitum. It never stops.

again. A infinitum. It never stops. There's never any final resolution to

There's never any final resolution to it. But the biblical forecast for the

it. But the biblical forecast for the future is linear where now we are

future is linear where now we are awaiting the second coming of the Lord

awaiting the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. And when he comes back

Jesus Christ. And when he comes back again, he will establish the kingdom of

again, he will establish the kingdom of God on earth. And it will be heaven on

God on earth. And it will be heaven on earth conditions in that uh world to

earth conditions in that uh world to come where the Bible even talks about

come where the Bible even talks about the wolf and the lamb laying down

the wolf and the lamb laying down together and the lion eating straw like

together and the lion eating straw like the bulock. Can you imagine a world

the bulock. Can you imagine a world that's a repeat of Eden paradise again?

that's a repeat of Eden paradise again? But then beyond that is something called

But then beyond that is something called the new creation

the new creation where God creates a new heaven and a new

where God creates a new heaven and a new earth and a new creation that is

earth and a new creation that is absolute perfection. There's no repeat

absolute perfection. There's no repeat over and over and over again of cycles

over and over and over again of cycles that lead from good to bad, from good to

that lead from good to bad, from good to bad, from good to bad. Thank God for

bad, from good to bad. Thank God for that. Thank God for that.

Uh Mike, uh I'll ask this just just to just out of curiosity

just out of curiosity cuz you didn't mention it, but a lot of

cuz you didn't mention it, but a lot of times when so you just when when you

times when so you just when when you went into new age, you explained this

went into new age, you explained this very deep concept that I don't think

very deep concept that I don't think people are normally thinking about when

people are normally thinking about when they mention new age, which I think is

they mention new age, which I think is fascinating. Now, what do you make of

fascinating. Now, what do you make of the connection

the connection of new age and things like tarot cards

of new age and things like tarot cards and crystals and all of these different

and crystals and all of these different things? Is that still considered new age

things? Is that still considered new age or is this just an expansion of the word

or is this just an expansion of the word >> that would come under the umbrella of

>> that would come under the umbrella of new age spirituality?

new age spirituality? And I think to answer your question, I

And I think to answer your question, I need to quote my guru once again because

need to quote my guru once again because he taught us and when I say my guru, I

he taught us and when I say my guru, I don't claim him as my guru anymore, but

don't claim him as my guru anymore, but this was 50 over 50 years ago. Anyhow,

this was 50 over 50 years ago. Anyhow, he taught that condolini yoga was white

he taught that condolini yoga was white witchcraft.

witchcraft. He diff differentiated between black

He diff differentiated between black witchcraft,

witchcraft, red witchcraft and white witchcraft. He

red witchcraft and white witchcraft. He said, "Black witchcraft is spiritual

said, "Black witchcraft is spiritual power used for evil purposes.

power used for evil purposes. Red witchcraft is spiritual power that

Red witchcraft is spiritual power that is used for selfish purposes. But white

is used for selfish purposes. But white witchcraft is spiritual power that is

witchcraft is spiritual power that is used for very uh selfless and loving

used for very uh selfless and loving purposes and holy purposes. But he put

purposes and holy purposes. But he put all of them under the umbrella of

all of them under the umbrella of witchcraft. And the Bible speaks

witchcraft. And the Bible speaks vehemently against witchcraft in

vehemently against witchcraft in Deuteronomy chapter 18. God says uh very

Deuteronomy chapter 18. God says uh very clearly that witchcraft is an

clearly that witchcraft is an abomination to him. But see according to

abomination to him. But see according to that worldview the power is the same

that worldview the power is the same source. As I mentioned toward the

source. As I mentioned toward the beginning of my talk the power is the

beginning of my talk the power is the same source but it's us utilized for

same source but it's us utilized for different purposes. And therefore, how

different purposes. And therefore, how would you define witchcraft? Witchcraft

would you define witchcraft? Witchcraft is using spiritual power or attempting

is using spiritual power or attempting to use spiritual power to to accomplish

to use spiritual power to to accomplish certain goals outside of the parameters

certain goals outside of the parameters of what God said is right and true. You

of what God said is right and true. You know, like a medium tries to contact the

know, like a medium tries to contact the dead. Well, God commands in the Bible

dead. Well, God commands in the Bible not to do that. Why? because he's

not to do that. Why? because he's withholding a legitimate experience from

withholding a legitimate experience from us. No, because he wants us to be kept

us. No, because he wants us to be kept from deception and he wants only true

from deception and he wants only true and valid experiences in our lives. So I

and valid experiences in our lives. So I said that to say this. People that

said that to say this. People that attribute power to gemstones or people

attribute power to gemstones or people that attribute power to tarot cards, say

that attribute power to tarot cards, say for instance, are taking that power from

for instance, are taking that power from God, robbing God of his authority, his

God, robbing God of his authority, his sovereignty, his power, and attributing

sovereignty, his power, and attributing to cards or to rocks and stones power

to cards or to rocks and stones power that doesn't belong to them. And so it

that doesn't belong to them. And so it becomes an unacceptable spiritual

becomes an unacceptable spiritual practice in the sight of God. And uh

practice in the sight of God. And uh there's so many directions you can take

there's so many directions you can take that.

Mike, why why share all of this? You obviously

why share all of this? You obviously have spent a lot of time processing this

have spent a lot of time processing this and it's very evident that you've

and it's very evident that you've studied this information. and you've

studied this information. and you've processed it biblically with the Lord.

processed it biblically with the Lord. Um, but you're also coming against

Um, but you're also coming against culture. You're coming against

culture. You're coming against everything that people deem right. Why

everything that people deem right. Why go on camera? Why continue to talk about

go on camera? Why continue to talk about all of this stuff?

all of this stuff? >> Because I love because I love God,

>> Because I love because I love God, because I love truth, and because I love

because I love truth, and because I love people. And we have a website where I go

people. And we have a website where I go into a lot of depth on all of these

into a lot of depth on all of these issues that I haven't had time to go

issues that I haven't had time to go into just in this presentation. And it's

into just in this presentation. And it's really gone viral. We've had over 5

really gone viral. We've had over 5 million people come to the trueight.net.

million people come to the trueight.net. That's thetrightlight.net.

And my booklet on my testimony where I go into a lot more detail in this

go into a lot more detail in this booklet is called the highest adventure

booklet is called the highest adventure encountering God. It's available in 12

encountering God. It's available in 12 different languages on the website on

different languages on the website on the trueight.net it and we have people

the trueight.net it and we have people contacting us from all over the world

contacting us from all over the world that come and and download the book in

that come and and download the book in Spanish or in French or in Italian or

Spanish or in French or in Italian or Chinese and they hear many of them hear

Chinese and they hear many of them hear about being born again for the first

about being born again for the first time when they encounter what we present

time when they encounter what we present on the website and and Jesus made that

on the website and and Jesus made that an absolutely essential thing. He said,

an absolutely essential thing. He said, "Except a man be born again, he cannot

"Except a man be born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Wow. That

enter the kingdom of God." Wow. That becomes extremely important then for us

becomes extremely important then for us to understand. What does it mean to be

to understand. What does it mean to be born again? Well, if you go to the Greek

born again? Well, if you go to the Greek in John chapter 3 where Jesus had this

in John chapter 3 where Jesus had this conversation with Nicodemus and he said,

conversation with Nicodemus and he said, "Except a man be born again, he cannot

"Except a man be born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

enter the kingdom of God." The Greek word that is translated again

The Greek word that is translated again in most English Bibles is the Greek word

in most English Bibles is the Greek word anathan. A n o t h e n. That means from

anathan. A n o t h e n. That means from above. In fact, it's translated from

above. In fact, it's translated from above. Other places in the New

above. Other places in the New Testament. So to be born again is to be

Testament. So to be born again is to be born from above. Well, what does that

born from above. Well, what does that mean? To be born from below is to come

mean? To be born from below is to come forth from your mother's womb.

forth from your mother's womb. and come into this world as a physical

and come into this world as a physical human being with a potential to grow and

human being with a potential to grow and mature and become what you are gifted

mature and become what you are gifted and called to become. So that's being

and called to become. So that's being born from below. But to be born from

born from below. But to be born from above

above happens when the spirit of God comes

happens when the spirit of God comes into you. And God said in Ezekiel 36 26

into you. And God said in Ezekiel 36 26 that he would put a new spirit in you

that he would put a new spirit in you and give you a new heart. So you have

and give you a new heart. So you have three main things happening here. You

three main things happening here. You have the spirit of God coming into you.

have the spirit of God coming into you. You have God's spirit coming into you.

You have God's spirit coming into you. And that creates a new heart which is

And that creates a new heart which is the core of your being. And the reason

the core of your being. And the reason God said you receive a new heart at that

God said you receive a new heart at that point is because when your spirit and

point is because when your spirit and God's spirit mingle together, come

God's spirit mingle together, come together in oneness and unity. That can

together in oneness and unity. That can only happen when the blood of Jesus

only happen when the blood of Jesus cleanses you and makes you holy. So that

cleanses you and makes you holy. So that God's Holy Spirit can do this. That's

God's Holy Spirit can do this. That's when a brand new you is created. That's

when a brand new you is created. That's why the Bible says, "If any man be in

why the Bible says, "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. Old things

Christ, he is a new creation. Old things pass away and behold, all things become

pass away and behold, all things become new." It's wonderful. It's amazing. It's

new." It's wonderful. It's amazing. It's a It's joy unspeakable and full of

a It's joy unspeakable and full of glory. Peter said, "There's no way of

glory. Peter said, "There's no way of describing in words the intensity of

describing in words the intensity of encountering God and knowing that you're

encountering God and knowing that you're finally whole." There's a God-shaped

finally whole." There's a God-shaped vacuum in every human being that can

vacuum in every human being that can never be filled by anything else except

never be filled by anything else except the thing that completes us, and that is

the thing that completes us, and that is the presence of God.

Mike, who is Jesus to you? >> What a profound question. Who is Jesus

>> What a profound question. Who is Jesus to me? Well, number one, he's my savior,

to me? Well, number one, he's my savior, which means he saves me from sin. He

which means he saves me from sin. He saves me from the curse of death. He has

saves me from the curse of death. He has saved me from sickness and disease. He

saved me from sickness and disease. He saved me from demonic oppression. After

saved me from demonic oppression. After I became saved, I had experiences,

I became saved, I had experiences, encounters where demonic powers tried to

encounters where demonic powers tried to come back into my life from my former

come back into my life from my former lifestyle. And he saved me. He delivered

lifestyle. And he saved me. He delivered me. So, he's my savior, but he's much

me. So, he's my savior, but he's much more than that. He's entitled the good

more than that. He's entitled the good shepherd. And a shepherd leads his

shepherd. And a shepherd leads his sheep. And from the point I gave him my

sheep. And from the point I gave him my life, he began to lead me in the choices

life, he began to lead me in the choices I made. He began to lead me in the

I made. He began to lead me in the direction I should go in life, what I

direction I should go in life, what I should do. Uh, and I did radical things

should do. Uh, and I did radical things that other people would bulk at

that other people would bulk at altogether. I gave away everything I

altogether. I gave away everything I owned about 6 months after I was saved.

owned about 6 months after I was saved. And along with another brother, we went

And along with another brother, we went hitchhiking around the country,

hitchhiking around the country, preaching on the streets and in the

preaching on the streets and in the downtown areas of cities and on college

downtown areas of cities and on college campuses, never knowing where our next

campuses, never knowing where our next meal would come from. And yet the good

meal would come from. And yet the good shepherd led me into that lifestyle. And

shepherd led me into that lifestyle. And I can look back now and see how step by

I can look back now and see how step by step and experience after experience led

step and experience after experience led me into the perfect will of God. He's

me into the perfect will of God. He's also referred to in scripture as the

also referred to in scripture as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. So

King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. So he's the king seated on a throne in

he's the king seated on a throne in heaven, but he's also enthroned in my

heaven, but he's also enthroned in my heart. And that means his will reigns

heart. And that means his will reigns supreme in my life. I no longer view the

supreme in my life. I no longer view the future as something I decide. I view the

future as something I decide. I view the future as something that's in the king's

future as something that's in the king's hands. And this King of Kings will

hands. And this King of Kings will dictate what his will is in my life. And

dictate what his will is in my life. And I gladly, worshiply, humbly follow his

I gladly, worshiply, humbly follow his dictates.

dictates. What else is Jesus? Well, Jesus is the

What else is Jesus? Well, Jesus is the light of the world. He said that. He

light of the world. He said that. He made that proclamation when he was here.

made that proclamation when he was here. And this is a very dark world. And one

And this is a very dark world. And one of the darkest parts of this world are

of the darkest parts of this world are over 4,000 religions, each claiming to

over 4,000 religions, each claiming to be the truth. And a lot of people get

be the truth. And a lot of people get trapped in darkness because they go

trapped in darkness because they go after

after a higher life, a better life. They they

a higher life, a better life. They they get tired of a a life that is devoted to

get tired of a a life that is devoted to evil things and carnal things and

evil things and carnal things and worldly things. But then maybe the truth

worldly things. But then maybe the truth is not accessible to them. So they end

is not accessible to them. So they end up going into the darkness of religion

up going into the darkness of religion as well as the darkness of a world that

as well as the darkness of a world that is in a fallen state and an evil state.

is in a fallen state and an evil state. But Jesus said, "I am the light of the

But Jesus said, "I am the light of the world." So when you come to him, he

world." So when you come to him, he said, "He who follows me shall walk in

said, "He who follows me shall walk in light." And and praise God for that. If

light." And and praise God for that. If you follow him, you won't walk in

you follow him, you won't walk in darkness any longer. And Jesus um also

darkness any longer. And Jesus um also said, "I am the way, I am the truth, and

said, "I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life." He's the embodiment of

I am the life." He's the embodiment of truth. And he said, "I am the life." And

truth. And he said, "I am the life." And another scripture, he said, "I am the

another scripture, he said, "I am the resurrection and the life." And that's

resurrection and the life." And that's very important to apply to yourself in a

very important to apply to yourself in a spiritual sense because when he came

spiritual sense because when he came into my heart, he resurrected my dead

into my heart, he resurrected my dead spirit. That's the dilemma of the human

spirit. That's the dilemma of the human race. The Bible says we are dead in

race. The Bible says we are dead in trespasses and sins. But Jesus says,

trespasses and sins. But Jesus says, "I'm the resurrection and I'm the life."

"I'm the resurrection and I'm the life." So he came in and resurrected this

So he came in and resurrected this spirit that was uh in in a sense in a

spirit that was uh in in a sense in a relative sense dead compared to what

relative sense dead compared to what Adam had in the beginning. And he made

Adam had in the beginning. And he made me alive again, alive and aware of the

me alive again, alive and aware of the reality of God. and he filled me with

reality of God. and he filled me with life instead of the death dealing

life instead of the death dealing effects of kin uh of sin and deception

effects of kin uh of sin and deception in the world. And those are just a few

in the world. And those are just a few things that Jesus is, but he's so much

things that Jesus is, but he's so much more. He said, "I am the bread of life,

more. He said, "I am the bread of life, and if any man eats of me, he shall live

and if any man eats of me, he shall live forever. And whatever you eat, you

forever. And whatever you eat, you become." Right? If you eat some bread,

become." Right? If you eat some bread, your digestive system breaks it down

your digestive system breaks it down into the nutrients. It's distributed to

into the nutrients. It's distributed to all your cells. it loses identity and

all your cells. it loses identity and becomes you. Well, when you eat of Jesus

becomes you. Well, when you eat of Jesus and he's the bread of life, then your

and he's the bread of life, then your identity and his identity are blended

identity and his identity are blended together as one. And bread exists to

together as one. And bread exists to satisfy the hunger of others. And when

satisfy the hunger of others. And when you really become a follower of Jesus,

you really become a follower of Jesus, you become one with the one who wants

you become one with the one who wants you to devote your life to satisfying

you to devote your life to satisfying the hunger of others for truth. So,

the hunger of others for truth. So, that's some of the things Jesus is to

that's some of the things Jesus is to me.

me. >> Now, Mike, I would love for you to pray

>> Now, Mike, I would love for you to pray for those that are are watching

for those that are are watching um that would like to be born again,

um that would like to be born again, that would like to experience what you

that would like to experience what you have experienced. But before you pray,

have experienced. But before you pray, you mentioned something that I found

you mentioned something that I found interesting and I think uh it may be of

interesting and I think uh it may be of benefit to touch on. uh you mentioned uh

benefit to touch on. uh you mentioned uh which you didn't talk much about but you

which you didn't talk much about but you mentioned that after uh you gave your

mentioned that after uh you gave your life to Jesus there was demonic powers

life to Jesus there was demonic powers that tried to come um and attack you and

that tried to come um and attack you and I think uh well and I don't think we've

I think uh well and I don't think we've experienced

experienced that whenever we record somebody that

that whenever we record somebody that has come out of witchcraft or new age

has come out of witchcraft or new age witchcraft or everything that you've

witchcraft or everything that you've spoken about that the warfare is very

spoken about that the warfare is very very intense for that specific group of

very intense for that specific group of people. Um could you touch on before

people. Um could you touch on before praying for them and not to instill fear

praying for them and not to instill fear but just to give insight of the goodness

but just to give insight of the goodness of God and how he also can deliver but

of God and how he also can deliver but can you talk about your experience and

can you talk about your experience and what and the attacks that you received

what and the attacks that you received after denouncing all of these things?

after denouncing all of these things? >> Well, one particular time is especially

>> Well, one particular time is especially important. It was just a few weeks after

important. It was just a few weeks after I had gotten saved. And thankfully,

I had gotten saved. And thankfully, someone told me that that Jesus taught

someone told me that that Jesus taught when the unclean spirit departs from a

when the unclean spirit departs from a man that he'll go and gather other

man that he'll go and gather other spirits and they'll come and try and

spirits and they'll come and try and reinhabit that vessel. And so I knew

reinhabit that vessel. And so I knew that and they told me how to pray. This

that and they told me how to pray. This particular person told me, "If you have

particular person told me, "If you have an encounter with a demonic power, claim

an encounter with a demonic power, claim the blood of Jesus." Well, one day I was

the blood of Jesus." Well, one day I was just laying in my bed and I was reading

just laying in my bed and I was reading the Bible and I happened to looked up

the Bible and I happened to looked up and I know this sounds far-fetched to

and I know this sounds far-fetched to some people and so I don't mention it a

some people and so I don't mention it a lot but I saw something that was about

lot but I saw something that was about this big about the size of a a melon you

this big about the size of a a melon you know maybe a a large grapefruit and it

know maybe a a large grapefruit and it came through the wall and it was

came through the wall and it was throbbing and it was a cloudy type

throbbing and it was a cloudy type thing. It didn't have defined lines as

thing. It didn't have defined lines as far as being able to recognize it as a

far as being able to recognize it as a demon. It was like a cloudy substance

demon. It was like a cloudy substance and it rushed across the room and

and it rushed across the room and slammed into my forehead. Now, I need to

slammed into my forehead. Now, I need to mention that back when I studied yoga, I

mention that back when I studied yoga, I had some experiences that I thought were

had some experiences that I thought were astral projection where I felt my soul

astral projection where I felt my soul leaving my body through the third eye.

leaving my body through the third eye. Well, this uh and now I believe those

Well, this uh and now I believe those were deceptive experiences. They were

were deceptive experiences. They were not actual experiences of entering into

not actual experiences of entering into a higher plane. The astral plane is what

a higher plane. The astral plane is what they call it. But when that spirit

they call it. But when that spirit slammed into my forehead, it started, I

slammed into my forehead, it started, I know this sounds way out, started

know this sounds way out, started sucking or trying to suck my soul out of

sucking or trying to suck my soul out of my body to get me into that state, that

my body to get me into that state, that astral projection state again. And I

astral projection state again. And I knew intuitively that if it got me out

knew intuitively that if it got me out of my body, I'd never get back in again.

of my body, I'd never get back in again. And that's common over in India where

And that's common over in India where people get locked in meditation and they

people get locked in meditation and they end up in asylums because of it. Uh and

end up in asylums because of it. Uh and I knew that could possibly happen to me.

I knew that could possibly happen to me. And thankfully I remember what the

And thankfully I remember what the person said, but I was paralyzed. I

person said, but I was paralyzed. I couldn't talk. I couldn't express myself

couldn't talk. I couldn't express myself out loud. So I said in my mind, "The

out loud. So I said in my mind, "The blood of Jesus be upon me. The blood of

blood of Jesus be upon me. The blood of Jesus be upon me." And about the second

Jesus be upon me." And about the second time or third time I thought that that

time or third time I thought that that power ripped away from me and hovered

power ripped away from me and hovered before me and then I could speak and I

before me and then I could speak and I said, "The blood of Jesus be upon you."

said, "The blood of Jesus be upon you." And it fled from the room. And I never

And it fled from the room. And I never had an attack like that again. But that

had an attack like that again. But that solidified my understanding that what I

solidified my understanding that what I had yielded to was not of God, that it

had yielded to was not of God, that it was demonic in nature. And I have people

was demonic in nature. And I have people contact me through our website, the

contact me through our website, the trueight.net. at from all over the world

trueight.net. at from all over the world wanting me to pray for them because

wanting me to pray for them because they've indulged in condundalini yoga

they've indulged in condundalini yoga and they've had these weird kind of uh

and they've had these weird kind of uh psychic experiences or demonic

psychic experiences or demonic experiences that get uncontrollable and

experiences that get uncontrollable and I pray deliverance for them. I pray that

I pray deliverance for them. I pray that God will set them free from the demonic

God will set them free from the demonic powers because it is a serpent power and

powers because it is a serpent power and uh it's uh it's a dangerous thing for

uh it's uh it's a dangerous thing for people to dabble in.

people to dabble in. Well, Mike, with that in mind and and

Well, Mike, with that in mind and and the power of Jesus Christ, um could you

the power of Jesus Christ, um could you pray for those who are watching right

pray for those who are watching right now and are saying, "Man, I believe and

now and are saying, "Man, I believe and I want Jesus to be Lord of my life. I

I want Jesus to be Lord of my life. I want to be born again." Well, first I'm

want to be born again." Well, first I'm going to pray for you and then I want

going to pray for you and then I want you to pray with me. So, uh, initially I

you to pray with me. So, uh, initially I want you to clear your mind of

want you to clear your mind of everything. And I would urge you to just

everything. And I would urge you to just go ahead and close your eyes so that you

go ahead and close your eyes so that you can focus on the Lord completely. And if

can focus on the Lord completely. And if there's any distractions going on, turn

there's any distractions going on, turn a TV off or whatever might be hindering

a TV off or whatever might be hindering you from being totally focused on the

you from being totally focused on the Lord. And I want to pray for you first.

Lord. And I want to pray for you first. Father, I just pray for any person

Father, I just pray for any person watching this video that you will

watching this video that you will encounter that person, that you will

encounter that person, that you will flow by the power of the Holy Spirit

flow by the power of the Holy Spirit toward that man, toward that woman,

toward that man, toward that woman, toward that young person, and that the

toward that young person, and that the Holy Spirit will quicken their hearts in

Holy Spirit will quicken their hearts in understanding the exclusivity of the

understanding the exclusivity of the Lord Jesus Christ, that you really are

Lord Jesus Christ, that you really are the only way, that you are savior, that

the only way, that you are savior, that you are Lord, that you are the only

you are Lord, that you are the only means of salvation. And Lord, I just

means of salvation. And Lord, I just pray that every hindering spirit will be

pray that every hindering spirit will be driven away from that person that seeks

driven away from that person that seeks for salvation right now. And now I'd

for salvation right now. And now I'd like you to repeat this prayer after me.

like you to repeat this prayer after me. And say it with all your heart and all

And say it with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul and all your

your mind and all your soul and all your strength. Say it with all sincerity.

strength. Say it with all sincerity. Lord Jesus,

Lord Jesus, I repent of my sins

I repent of my sins and I give you my life.

and I give you my life. Have mercy on me.

Have mercy on me. Come into my heart.

Come into my heart. I surrender to you.

I surrender to you. Be Lord of my life.

Be Lord of my life. I give you my future.

I give you my future. I believe from this point forward

I believe from this point forward that you are in charge of my life and I

that you are in charge of my life and I believe that I have received the gift of

believe that I have received the gift of eternal life because you promised in

eternal life because you promised in your word. He who believes in me

your word. He who believes in me shall have everlasting life. I believe

shall have everlasting life. I believe in you Jesus. I believe in your cross

in you Jesus. I believe in your cross that you were crucified for me and all

that you were crucified for me and all others. And I believe you rose from the

others. And I believe you rose from the dead. And I confess that you are my Lord

dead. And I confess that you are my Lord for time and for eternity. Amen. And

for time and for eternity. Amen. And amen.

Mike, any last words for those who are listening, watching your testimony right

listening, watching your testimony right now? Well, I would encourage everyone to

now? Well, I would encourage everyone to contact me if they if if they have

contact me if they if if they have questions still. If they're confused

questions still. If they're confused about some of the ideas that I've shared

about some of the ideas that I've shared that were matters of confusion for me

that were matters of confusion for me and they want to try and sort them out,

and they want to try and sort them out, I would urge them to come to the

I would urge them to come to the trueight.net

trueight.net and you can shoot me an email. I try to

and you can shoot me an email. I try to answer every email that comes in on that

answer every email that comes in on that website. Also for former Catholics, I

website. Also for former Catholics, I have another website to

have another website to catholicswithlove.org.

And I would urge you if you're sorting through the beliefs of Catholicism and

through the beliefs of Catholicism and you're really hungry to be born again

you're really hungry to be born again and you're questioning the correct

and you're questioning the correct interpretation of the Bible, come to

interpretation of the Bible, come to that website to catholicswithlove.org

that website to catholicswithlove.org org and uh I'm sure there's an article

org and uh I'm sure there's an article there that will uh that will be an

there that will uh that will be an answer to some of the questions you may

answer to some of the questions you may have. And then also my website

have. And then also my website shrieministries.org.

shrieministries.org. You're welcome to come there and our

You're welcome to come there and our YouTube page, youtube.com/mikesh

YouTube page, youtube.com/mikesh ministries. I have a lot of teachings

ministries. I have a lot of teachings there and uh a lot of videos that I

there and uh a lot of videos that I believe would be a blessing to you. And

believe would be a blessing to you. And God is a great God. God works miracles.

God is a great God. God works miracles. God is the same yesterday, today, and

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The Jesus that walked the earth

forever. The Jesus that walked the earth 2,000 years ago still heals, still

2,000 years ago still heals, still delivers, still fills people with the

delivers, still fills people with the power of the Holy Spirit. And I pray

power of the Holy Spirit. And I pray that you encounter his reality. Amen.

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