nobody really talks about what's next
except dorium does a little bit now but
it's it's hard retiring from something
you're so active in and and you love so
much in something your my mind was into
the Olympia for ten years for ten years
even before that for I don't even talk
about the twenty five years before that
of getting ready to get to that point
where you have ten Olympians in your in
your view okay but when you retire it's
like what do I do now Who am I you know
we're talking about Joseph Wilcox he had
some issues retiring Dorie and had some
issues retiring Ronnie Coleman has some
issues retirement it's hard to retire
but you don't know what to do you know
what am I gonna do and am I gonna get a
job like a regular person I thought
about that fact they did I decided that
rather than going to Arnold and saying
look I need a job you know I wanted to
do it myself I wanted to know what it
was like to be the average working guy
okay so I went to a corporation put my
suit on and I said I'd like to get a job
in your corporation here what kind of
experience do you have nothing my
resumes my resumes that well he spoke to
presidents of different countries he was
doing a world-class competitor and
doesn't really matter what experience do
you have in the corporate world I said
very little and and I said but I'm
trainable should show me I can do this I
can do anything the same attitude I had
in the squat rack for all those years I
thought to myself if it worked in the
gym why won't it work in business or the
corporate life and I got to tell you it
did it worked really really well to
we're putting a suit on every day and
putting my tie on it was like my new gym
I was excited to get put five in the
morning and okay put my suspenders on
I'm gonna go to the gym I'm gonna go to
the gym I'm gonna go to the office and
I'm gonna be around all these young
people twenty and thirty year olds I'm
gonna kill him I'm gonna walk him
circles around okay and I did it was
like my new squat rack my desk my office
was like my home you know I got promoted
over the years okay but I enjoyed
working for Merchant Services I was a
corporate recruiter my job was to
identify talent
and give him a job but I had to
interview them introduce him to other
department heads and find a place for
them I wasn't a headhunter I was a
corporate recruiter for a very very
large company okay and I loved it to
death I really did the same energy that
I learned here in the gym here in the
squat rack I took to the corporate
workplace and it works it's no different
the only difference is in the corporate
workplace when you see red you can't
respond when you see red you gotta wait
too it goes to pink I sort of got in
trouble a few times when you know okay
you can't do that when you're you can do
it the gym I was paid a lot of money to
respond like a crazy guy in the gym and
I did real well but it didn't work in
corporate life so I had to learn how to
adjust that side of my personality but I
enjoyed it immensely so for about I
don't know many years for a good side of
a decade or more
I played the corporate person and I
thought that bodybuilding was my past it
was my past I was a young man back then
and I moved on in life and we start you
know assuming a different role
you know I am now in corporate world and
I talked to the CEO and they didn't know
my background they did learn my
background and they go we know who you
are what are you doing here you know and
I said I want to learn I want to learn
everything about this corporate world
show me you know and I love staying
doing overtime staying later I wanted to
learn the bosses this II would take me
at government pick you in my office so
I'm gonna show you how I talk to all
these come I wanted to learn about it I
wanted to learn like I was a student all
over again sometimes you're a teacher
and sometimes you're a student in life forever
forever
okay so I the same attitude I had when I
was a teenager and I hang out with
Arnold I went to the beach with Arnold
and and it was introduced to Frank Zane
and Robby Robinson and and all these
guys and Lou Ferrigno and I was a little
kid learning that took that same
attitude into the corporate world and it worked
worked
I wasn't talented I wasn't talented in
bodybuilding I didn't have any genetics
I didn't have any I wasn't talented in
business but the thing is I was telling
David about this earlier I had this
attitude that I can do it there's
nothing I can't do if I can
squat 400 535 or how many 23 whatever it
was I can do anything
I believed that and it worked because I
believed it so I never I'm telling you I
never had any talent for bodybuilding I
never held any talent for business I
wish I did and I emulated guys and watch
guys that were really sharp my CEO
taught me a lot but I had David and I am
Matthias who was here tonight he's
filming we did a video in LA for team
and ro went crazy viral which opened the
doors from my brand to work again and
pretty soon I'm getting offers to go and
teach all around the world and I'm
telling my boss but I gotta leave for a
month okay to go do some seminars like
what you can't who leaves for a month
their corporate position but it started
opening up to where I said I could go
back to bodybuilding as a teacher and do
seminars all over again and get involved
in other projects and really give back
to the sport
they've given me so much if body
wouldn't gave me a life I'd be some
homeless guy in Detroit if it wasn't for
bodybuilding it gave me a life so right
now it's not about the money I don't
care about the money it's not about
gaining position as a bodybuilding
player in the business it's about just
giving back to something that really
gave me a lot gave me a life and that's
the reason I'm here that's the reason
I've joined with Adam and as far as
working together and my goal our goal is
to go around the world one more time
before I actually settle down I'm 62
years old I'll be 63 soon by the time
I'm 70 I'm not gonna be doing this I
don't see myself traveling here you know
four different countries a week no but
we're doing it now and it's exciting
it's fun it's hard and but I like being
uncomfortable another thing that squat
rack told me is it taught me and when
you're uncomfortable is when you grow we
know that from the gym when you're
uncomfortable is when you grow so I like
being uncomfortable in life threw myself
into a corporate position to where I
didn't know anything I don't learn the
computer I learn how to type fast I
don't learn how to pro I'll do these
programs I had no training I'm like I'm
like a handicapped kid you know I'm an
old man but I learn
I learned that learning I got faster and
faster and faster to the point to where
I could live in a corporate world but I
decided to come back home my CEO told me
he said if you don't take advantage of
this opportunity go back to what you
know best I'm gonna fire you anyhow he
was joking but it's like being in the
mob once you get in the mob you can't
ever get out you know you're in it for life
life
and is that math alone if that makes
sense to the mob meaning the crime
syndicate meaning like The Sopranos
Oprah knows once you get into the
soprano family so to speak you can never
get out
and that's bodybuilding for me
bodybuilding has given me a lot
tremendous a life it's been good to me
financially mentally spiritually
physically I learned about life in the
gym everything I know about life I
learned to the squat rack I learned how
to fail in the gym I learned how to fail
and fall on my face many many times that
you never read about okay and I keep
getting up and the same attitude work in
the office I'd fare every day I mean I'm
like all these 20 year old kids around
me tighten on like my heart rates fast
I'm losing weight can't eat enough it's
like you know I'm getting in shape to
sit at my desk you know but I had to
learn it and I had to put myself in that
position and that's the reason I'm in
Europe ten months out of the year eleven
months out of the year now because it's
uncomfortable and that's when you grow
it's hard to learn a new language but I
want to do stuff that I've never done
before I want to feel so uncomfortable I
can't stand out but I want to be able to
manage it I don't wanna have a nervous
breakdown but that's why I have Adam
here Adam watches me and said okay
that's enough but you know I'm very
fortunate been very fortunate in life
and bodybuilding has been great to me
but what I'm here to tell you is that
life doesn't happen to you we all think
that life happens to me right life
happens for you it happens for you I
mean opportunities will come to you
every day it's either for you you can
remain scared of the opportunities or
you can embrace them and take them my
might what I finally realized that and I
want to share this with you
if you give up on your dreams if you
give up on your dreams what do you have
left nothing I can't live that way
I can't live that way I have to live on
the edge you know if it wasn't
bodybuilding I'd probably be a
motorcycle or cross-country jumping cars
or some I don't know something crazy but
that's why I'm in this business it's
never been about the money it's always
been about the love of the game and the
energy I gained from it and that's
really you know and when it's about the
money getting trouble money should be a
side effect of what you love to do and
that's what I bring to the gym every
single day and that's what I work when I
work with Sergio Oliva jr. and other
body but top guys and guys you don't
even know when David Hoffman that's what
I tried to bring to the table that
energy and that thirst of where it's not
just about I hope I do well it's like
you have to want success in the gym as
one as you as much as you want to
breathe okay as much if you're gonna if
you started suffocating in this room
you'd find every way to get out of here
you'll be knocking the doors down
yelling screaming breaking windows
whatever you got to do to live right
that's what I brought to the gym I don't
know why this happened to me it was a
gift I didn't have a choice in 1974 date
Meister 1977 we all I went to Gold's Gym
50 bucks in a plane ticket we all went
to Gold's Gym like anointed zombies
anointed zombies we didn't care about
the money all we wanted to do was train
together in the same gym the fitness
industry back in 1977 was 15 people ten
guys five girls that was the fitness
industry it was great the old Gold's Gym
was like oh my god the energy was so
thick he walk in the door and you just
you couldn't stand it you didn't even
need to eat it needed to sleep and the
best in the business were there either
I decided as a young man that I have to
go to California to be around the best
in the world I have to study with the
Masters I wanted to study with the best
in the world because I felt that if I
was around
Arnold them Zane and Robbie and Ferrigno
that the energy would rub off and it did
and it did okay and that's so again it's
not about the fact that you're not Talan
in fact forget about genetics to hell
with genetics really you know I always
tell people you know when I was a young
man I said it will not be a victim to my
genetics I will not be a victim to my
genetics I don't care I don't care
haven't I don't have a small waist hell
with it my genetics will be a victim to
me that was my plan and it was my my god
gave me this mentality I don't know why
gets me in trouble lots of times too
it does okay but God gave me the leg
thing I got to tell you most of those
squats I did I wasn't doing it it wasn't
me it was God finishing the last ten
reps okay because I don't know I was
done you know when I did when it feeble
and cologne when we did 23 with five
something I mean I was done at 10 and 15
I thought it was all over in the last
you know seven reps I don't know eight
reps I don't know where it came from
yeah something God was pulling up that
weight okay he was and the only thing I
can think of is that it's the
opportunity that I was given I mean I
didn't I didn't wait for it to come I
had to take action I had to do something
to get it and had to go after it and
embrace the heat so to speak that you
know there's been a lot of tough days
and where I questioned whether this is
what I should be doing for a living now
forty some years later and I've been
bodybuilding for 40 41 scene started
when I was nine so you know some 50 over
50 years you know but it's been
everything I wanted it to be I never got
the Sandow trophy
I wanted that Sandow trophy yes I had a
trophy cabinet made for the Sandow but I
would not train I would not trade what I
do have from the sport for the trophy
the trophy should give you what I have
what I have is the ability to still work
I'm still working in this business after
losing the 81 Olympia I didn't win I
failed at winning the Olympia I'll
repeat myself I failed at winning the 81
Olympia but I'm still working 35 years
later still doing seminars still doing
stuff in the industry so again I don't I
think it's really an attitude an
attitude and an energy that sort of I
figured out or God gave to me I don't
know we're both that it's allowed me to
live and prosper very very well okay and
it's not about the stuff I mean I
thought for that one time was about
Hoover had the most money and most stuff
and the BMW in the portion you know the
house on the East Coast in the house in
the West Coast I thought whoever had
that was the winner I gotta tell you
when I had the most stuff I was not the
most happiest as I am now okay in fact I
simplified my life we you know we moved
all of our belongings to Europe imagine
taking everything you own and having two
different houses and giving stuff away
selling stuff and still you have it I
chant these big containers all the
pictures and photographs and you know
it's a big process but sometimes when
you have too much you need you need to
do less you need to have less and by
having less stuff I find things are much
more clear for me now and that's why I'm
here and that's why I've been doing
seminars and getting involved in
bodybuilding so to speak as more of a
mentor figure so to speak I had Arnold I
had Draper I had I remember God I
remember when I first went to the 78 mr. universe
universe
Joel gold the owner of Gold's Gym said
you know you got to pay for a membership
pretty soon Tom I'm like Oh Joe look I
don't have any money and then I was a
broke body with her like most guys and
he goes after they mr. universe will
talk okay great
it's a few weeks to go I won the
universe and I came back after the
Acapulco mr. universe my commencer won
the heavyweight class I won the
middleweight class a guy named Carlos
Rodriguez won the lightweight class
they're both dead they both died which
is sad but true but Joe Gould said Tom
come here I'm like oh no he wants some
money when I go go am I gonna do okay
and he goes welcome to the club
he called Arnold up he called Frank Zane
he says
one of us he never pays for nothing ever
and I walk in that gym any kind of
clothes I wanted anything I wanted was
mine any friends I brought in they gave
him stuff and I'm like I was welcomed to
the family so to speak and I'll never
forget that Joe Gould really you know I
mean nobody does this solo he does
anything alone I had a lot of support
from ex-wife's and but Joe Gould was
expanding success helpful in my in my
life and really gave me an opportunity
as Joe Weider did and everybody okay you
know and we don't do anything alone
there's always a support group around
you but deaths what's brought me here
and in a roundabout way I wanted to
share some of my immediate feelings with
you to let you know where I was and why
I'm here and what I'm doing and I invite
you to really take me where you want to
take me I can talk for three hours I
have my own agenda and my own thing like
you know that okay that's Chris
Dickerson always said you have the gift
of gab I said thanks Chris I guess
that's a compliment I don't know I don't
know okay but I can talk which is I
think important in this business because
most guys walk around with food bags and
they don't talk and they stay home and
they eat six eight times a day and they
get another night and eat and nobody
talks anymore I'm like what's that about
in fact people live in their apartments
and they they don't know how to talk
anymore they but they're on Facebook a
little bit nor Instagram okay that's
that's social socialization today but in
my day when I was being tutored by
Arnold and Franklin and you know and
Dave Draper and rigna it was like body
but he here at all it wasn't about
deprivation and pain and punishment was
about abundance and prosperity
Arnold taught me hey this is America he
said to me this is America you can do
anything you want he said let me show
you so anything he did I did
he had a blonde girl when I had a blonde
girlfriend he drank coffee I drank
coffee life was big he's life is
supposed to be big and full that's what
he taught me coming from Austria keep
speaking German barely spoke speaking
England English and so I've adopted
those values but took a guy from Europe
to tell me that about America
I didn't know that I didn't understand
capitalism I thought okay fine I'll just
fit in somewhere and but being around
the influence of all those guys I
mentioned a lot of the women too I
learned a lot from a lot of the women
women taught me how to pose they really
did okay how - that wasn't a poser am I
gonna I'm not I'm the short stocky kid
but they taught me about the hair and
stuff like that and you know I never
knew what they were talking about but
they eventually showed me but I'm here
because a lot of support I'm here
because a lot of people helped me and
showed me the way and gave me the
opportunity and that was the unlikely
winner almost everybody is unlikely
winner not supposed to be the guy or the
girl you know everything I could have
looked at all the possible all the
negative situations in my life but you
know I wasn't the chosen one I wasn't
chosen to be this guy and to be in the
wieder camp or whatever but I wanted it
so bad in fact the only difference
between most of you and me the only
difference between me and you is I
wanted it more I wanted it more
that's the only reason I'm sitting here
third place - yeah third place 1981
Chris Dickerson was in second everybody
forgot about Chris yeah
people are still talking about this show
35 years ago people they want me to do
interviews on Facebook I'm like 35 years
ago was a show you still want me to do
an interview about this damn show okay I
will I will
was too good
it couldn't be placed hired and it
okay okay when I was interviewed
immediately after taking third place a
guy named Ricky Wayne he maybe remember
Ricky Wayne he he came up with a
microphone remember that name
Ricky Wayne he when he Caribbean he went
back to the Caribbean I don't know what
he running for office or president or
something I don't know but him and his
girlfriend Mae Malika Mae Mollica was a
really sharp Fitness girl back in 35
years ago okay no no I'm not livin no no
no many of you don't know what she is or
who he was but he put a microphone in my
face he said Tom what do you think about
the Olympia how do you think he should
have done you stirred what do you think
about placing solos third place I said
Oh first of all I think Frank Hill is a
great champion and Arnold a great
champion I think tonight I think that
tonight Frank will show place a little
lower and I should have place a little
higher but thank you very much I'm proud
and honored to be here people my god
he's a politician you know I didn't plan
on saying that I didn't have any pre I
just happened to react that way I
thought hey if I'm gonna stand on the
Olympia stage it's a matter of opinion
who once Franco and I argued about that
but it's a matter of opinion who once
who wins it could be political sure
politics earn everything we're talking
about this last night Kathy you know
politics is life there's politics in
everything okay you can make it you can
you you can use it to work for you words
gonna work against you done I mean you
can't be upset about it okay I lost the
Olympia but did I I mean I came in third
and people think I came in second all
the time they forgot about Dickerson but
it was really that losing that show was
the best thing that ever happened to me
losing the 81 Olympia was the best thing
that ever happened to my career you know
and I I didn't realize that until now 35
years later you know I mean what would I
have won the trophy the trophy would
have been in my storage container in
Hungary probably and I'll be like what
am I gonna do now you know I would
gladly trade the Sandow for a job like
I've had in the last 35 years
okay it's been a gift okay I mean God
gave me a gift as he gives us all gifts
and I think we're all good at something
we're all good at something really good
and I think if you're really still if
you make yourself really still and quiet
which is hard to do in this day of an
age of social media
okay Facebook and Instagram if you're
really still and quiet if you can be
quiet for a half hour without like
meditation you know you sort of the
answers will come you know what to do
you really know what to do as you do
with your gym even if you make the wrong
choice and do something that you think
you should do you get in this life will
spit you out and get another chance and
the big scheme of things if you make the
wrong choice big deal I wish I had one
more life and if I had one more life
maybe a pro golfer this time I have no
talent for golf but I know I could do it
if I believed as much as I do it about
body but now I could do it I'm one of
those kind of guys that believe I can do
anything okay and it gets me in trouble
but I I made a self promise to Mike when
I was a little kid I said I promised
myself that that I would never leave the
gym a loser I was playing football as a
teenager I never told anybody this but
this coach kicked me in the butt I mean
back in the 70s you could do this and he
didn't go to jail okay but the coach he
was playing football was a middle
linebacker he goes boom it was plaster
nothing you'll never be nothing I'm like
my whole world oh my god my coach told
me coach Smith told me I'll never be
nothing from that day forward I made a
promise that I will give it everything I got
got
I'm ready to die for what I had to have
to succeed I have to give it everything
I got
that way I'm a winner no matter what I
don't know why I said it to myself I
made that self promise years later 20-30
years later all of coach Smith's kids
you know they we emails just came out
the internet just opened up they said
are you the same Tom plants that coach
Smith talks about and I said yes I am
and tell him thank you very much for
everything he's ever done for me
okay so life offers you a lot of
opportunities even sometimes if it's
devastation and terrible oh my god
death and you lose your fiance or you
know you
divorces and went through all that stuff
okay those are the years I did best
an 81 my fiance got together with my I
didn't ever tell anybody this before
either but she got together with my
training partner and I came home from
the 80 Olympia and they're together I'm
like oh my god I was so hurt and so
baffled that this girl could do this to
me I decided to take all that energy and
put it into the gym and before the 81
Olympia I just opened the door to the
Gold's Gym that day that year and boom
everything would work it was a magical
year any exercise I did was Wow
mind-blowing every and I would train
like every day every day look better and
better I'm in the mirror I'm scared
myself in the mirror you know because I
was so focused on this was I had the
opportunity to be very selfish at that
time and you got to be selfish at times
and I didn't you know but the fact that
something really devastation devastating
happened in my life gave me the
opportunity def something great happened
and I think that's the way it works you
got to have good and bad in life there's
good and there's evil and there's good
and bad and a lot of times when evil
heavy evil and heavy terrible things
comes along your life it's really an
opportunity and everything I looked at
in my life it's been bad or like oh my
god what am I gonna do I think back now
it gave me an opportunity fraught
opportunity is disguised as problems
okay if you don't have problems you
don't have a life everybody has problems
in fact the more money you have the more
problems you have the more money the
more stuff I had the more the more
problems I have versus having no money
and no life you've pretty a lot of
problems to live on the beach you know a
lot of guys I know okay somewhere in the
middle seems to be the happiest for me I
have a problem in big finance big
business site in the gym we do things
because we can we add 20 kilos to each
side of the bar because we can sometimes
it gets us in trouble
adding too much weight too soon in
business big finance sometimes you do
things because you can not because it's
right I found this the same kind of
mentality but I'm here to tell you the
energy that worked in the gym did work
in the rest of my life too but I decided
to come back because this is my church
this is my home this is what's given me life
life
and you get to a point when you get
older you want to give back to something
that's given you so much that's where I
am thank you for your question hope I
not initially initially I did I mean I
responded I remember people criticizing
me at the old goals gym the first Gold's Gym
Gym
I was squatting for reps some pretty
good weight people say you shouldn't do
that you shouldn't squat like that it's
bad for you I'm like I know Thanks keeps
well kept squatting I didn't I didn't
want to listen I was like I have to do
this because nobody else did and I felt
so good I didn't like squatting that
much I didn't like squatting at all tell
you the truth it's scary your hands
sweating you get nervous and here you
get anxious but I love I'm addicted to
the feeling afterwards after a squat
workout doing 500 400 pounds 4 reps your
life passes in front of your eyes and
you succeed it's like life is great the
sky is blue the grass is green and life
is absolutely wonderful I'm in a great
mood for a week later I just I wish I
could squat more often but how it gets
me in a great mood and that's the reason
I squat the leg thing
I mean people used to store all the old
benches in the squat rack of the old
goals Arnold and corny at corny did that
squat thing for pumping iron but nobody
ever squatted really they would do 15
maybe reps or 10 reps of 315 maybe they
did it for the movie ok nobody ever
squatted really Draper is a Draper put
on 4 or 5 even Zane did 405 for 10 but
they never really squatted really okay
and so I stuck all the old benches where
they stored him in the squat rack and I
started using it on a regular basis and
I was ridiculed for it I was told it
wasn't right you shouldn't do that as
most people are when you do something
that's against the grain it's not
popular you're told you're doing it
wrong you shouldn't do that
it's just now people are saying your
training methodology was on point and
that you know it's just now 35 years
took two people to say hey he was
absolutely right about what he was doing
I don't care I didn't care about who
thought what I didn't care who thought
uneven why don't I want to please the
judges I didn't care about the judges in
the mr. Olympia contest all those years
those 10 years I just wanted to go to
the gym and express myself from within
as any artist does okay I wanted to go
on stage and humbly show everybody how
it goes according to me
I wasn't about there am I good enough am
I good enough hell with that
let me show you what I've done okay
that's what I tell actors when I coach
actors go to the audition just show them
how it goes according to you make a
decision and go with it a lot of times
the director will say I like the way you
did dad that's a good idea
can you do it my way once I like your
idea better you got to be creative from
that standpoint being creative is the
highest level of existence following the
rules and being a soldier of life is
boring I break the rules
I've always breaking the rules got me a
lot of trouble Arnold show me that that
him in trouble - okay but you got to
have that personality you got to have
that got a little bit crazy you got to
be a little bit you have an insane
switch I'm talking you know I'd go to
the gym insane click hi honey how are
you good to see you again you see that
you see that same train and everybody
that succeeds I have had the opportunity
to work with billionaires and being
around a billionaire I would worked with
Vince McMahon the owner of a WWE his
best friend was Trump before he was
president okay I got to be around that's
why I still wear my tie as long he
influenced me okay but being around
these guys I'm like well I'm like a
student I'm like I couldn't I couldn't
have a better education on how to live
life and they all were very grateful
Trump and McMahon and Arnold grateful to
what they have generous but they feel
like you know I would say that I would
ask Arnold how do you you're doing two
movies in the same day you work all
night long and all day don't you get
tired he would say no I'm doing
something that I've always dreamed of
doing people dream about doing what I'm
doing you know they're grateful and
that's what I saw in Trump and I think
Trump is ridiculed but he's put down
these brake along the calls but you know
I may be 35 years from now he'll be the
greatest president of all time in the US
I don't know I like his attitude though
because he's not he's not a follower he
doesn't care he says stupid stuff I know
that he's not politician he doesn't say
the way things should be said you know
and but you know having known him before
he was president I'm like granted he was
given a million dollars by his dad okay
that gave him a million bucks and say go
do something with your life he coulda
lost at all he coulda blew it like many
of us have okay but he made it grow
he made it grow again and again and
again he almost went bankrupt like
wieder did weed almost went bankrupt one
to one year Trump almost went banquet
most lost at all but they figured out a
way to keep it together and you know
that's the kind of people like to be
around I like to be around risk takers
there's a risk and there anything you do
any exercise it doesn't have a risk
isn't worth doing I'm not suggesting now
that you take commit suicide I would
never do an exercise that was outright
stupid dangerous I hear people that
squat that blow their intestines out
like what do you I mean how much weight
he was squatting way too soon too much
weight you know I don't ever want to
kill myself but there's a risk involved
in any success venture with the
expectation of success there's a success
in a risk the higher success go is the
risk follows if there's too much risk
not enough success I don't take it I
don't take that risk
okay but to answer your question did I
answer your question really I'm throwing
some other things too but I like when
you guys take me certain places I'll
give you more than you asked for because
I can't but it's been a fun fun life and
yes by the system and SWAT sniper as was
my command sir
yes so your question is about the ad
Olympia the 1980 Olympia in Sydney
yes
oh yeah well it was I was in the gym
everyday with Arnold prior to that ad
Olympia I knew something was up
he was looking too good he was looking
too good he was really looking Arnold's
in good shape
okay so I knew their son he's planning
on doing something and he's awful a good
shape for a movie he was doing Conan the Barbarian
there's always tension between Mike and
Arnold there was tension between those
two always this Mike would say you don't
need to train six days a week twice a
day like Arnold does you only need to
train two or three times a week so
Arnold Arnold's methodology was being
challenged in print in the magazines
Arnold didn't like that Arnold doesn't
like to lose
I know doesn't like being criticized
nobody does
okay but I remember that comment I meant
was my second Olympia and I'm backstage
and I'm like my second Olympia at least
two guys were in a fight eat oh my god
my god I can't handle this I'm like get
away from me and I was like this missing
I'm like I'm gonna go over here and warm
up okay
because these two two of the greatest
bodybuilders of all time we're getting
ready to fight each other and people
were holding them back you know my god
this is too much for me but I remember
Arnold said something about Mike stomach
Arnold said hey you have fat stomach
anyhow he liked it Mike's like like then
I'm like oh my god and I don't know how
it came down but Mike Mike may have
provocated that it's been 35 years I
forget exactly okay but you know in
years later they made up they did make
up okay but Mike was the next mr.
Olympia Mike was the golden child
Mike was senior editor and fitness of
muscle Matt Muscle & Fitness Magazine he
was an intellectual guy the intellectual
bodybuilder the very smart body but I'm
like wow how great is this if Mike would
have just said Arnold congratulations
good job next year would have been his
or the next year would have been his in
other words he got upset and carried
this bitterness and carry this anger
with him everywhere he went
so Mike as good as he is and as generous
as he was to me and helpful as a friend
he wants to meet carried the hatred of
losing the 81 mr. Olympia lady mr.
Olympia on his back and I think that's
one of the reasons it caused him to die
when you carry bitterness it's bad it's
like cancer you know probably causes
cancer your attitude your negative
energy probably
your whole body do weird stuff you know
because if you if you think bad and
expect bad and feel bad you die and your
body is like poison inside at least your
mind is and if your minds poison your
body's got to be this follow so I think
that's what killed Mike if I may say so
Mike carried that bitterness with him okay
okay
Michael is a great body builder so is
Arnold I got to tell you that I don't
you know I it's hard for Arnold to lose
that year there's one of the greatest
bodybuilders of all time entering
Olympia a five year layoff it's hard for
him not to win granted all of the judges
were his buddies his friends hey buddies
Arnold he's gonna have my 10th Olympia I
had all the friends I knew all the guys
on the Olympia panel you know they made
the wrong choice but what the hell can i
you know I died sometimes I told my gay
every I probably guess pose for every
judge 10 times in those countries okay
every judge is my friend I didn't have
the small ways to this narrow shoulders
but damn I'm gonna go onstage and show
them how it goes and nobody talks about
presentation nonverbal communication
nowadays it's all about the physicality
everybody walks on stage 300 pounds of
body weight that's all about the
physical I think we forgot about body
builders today forgot about nonverbal
communication going onstage and
projecting energy of the audience I
never believed that you know I don't
like to see body builders asked for
applause how embarrassing like that's
like the waiter or the waitress asking
for a tip you know they give it you give
the waiter a tip because he's a great
waiter Wow
good job thanks for taking care of us
right when Arnold taught me when you
walk on stage just stand there he always
say just stand there
look at the audience and command the
applause don't ask for it don't beg for
it but when they see you smiling without
even posing people are gonna start there
already they don't want to go for the
ride okay
that's what Arnold taught me I've seen
Arnold pose in great shape
back in the 70s I've seen pose when he's
fat the audience still responded like he
was in great shape when he wasn't in
great shape and that's what I learned
you got to go on stage you can have the
most muscle in the world if you can't
sell it nobody's gonna buy it
so when modern day body bruise don't
anymore there's no the human spirit is
gone it's the physical 300 pounds
bodyweight okay let's go to dinner now
let's go okay it's back in my day when
when Arnold was on the stage and on
Draper and all these guys and reg Park
and Robbie and Zane you know it was like
we felt like rock stars we thought Lady
gaga like Michael Jackson like a you
know Frank Sinatra's like wow the fans
were crazy in New York and the fans are
rolling down the aisles they're climbing
on the stage it was like we to be rushed
out of there with security guards we'll
get you back in the hotel don't worry
you know now it's like okay I'm Phil
Heath made for half a million dollars
you know I'm like I love Phil it was a
good friend of mine I knew he was gonna
win seven years ago eight years ago I
knew he's gonna win okay I told him that
my wife and I told him that but I think
he he did what Dorian did everybody
copied Dorian since Dorian walked on
stage did nothing did something we never
did before
Dorian opened the door off door up for
big beyond belief
Dorian did something different but
everybody's copied him since I'm waiting
for the next mr. Olympia not to copy
Dorian to do something unique and
different to where you god I never
thought of that
wow that's mr. Olympia and that's what I
hope to see before we die or I die but I
think it has to involve not just the
physicality not being 300 pounds on
stage the quality that it has to involve
the human spirit you have to get that
actor to being successful bodybuilder
you've got to be the athlete the actor
the diplomat and the businessman four
things bodybuilders forgot about this
you got to you gonna be an actor on the
stage you got to sell the muscle you
have you gotta give it to the audience
where the audience wants to stand on the
receipts and scream and yeah one go
crazy you got to tell them it's okay to
go for the ride when you watch a movie
when you watch a great Hollywood movie
you become the actor or the actress
you're living their life you relating to
them none of the body would just give
this to the audience anymore
that's my criticism if I may if I hum if
I respectfully may do that but the actor
on the stage the
the athlete of course the the diplomat
driving from country to country talking
about what we loved them being there or
tours being good spokesman and
representing the sport very well body
boarders don't talk anymore they don't
know how to talk in the National
Football League the NFL and the in the
the NBA the basketball league they teach
young guys how to talk how to interview
they teach them how to dress how to be
professional you know bodybuilders it's
becoming more and more and more of a
working-class sport subculture and I
love body woody don't get me wrong
bodybuilding is my life it's always been
my life it's where I come from and I
have the greatest respect for the sport
it's given me a life a great life and it
can be more it should be more you hope
when you get to be my age you can dent
the sport in some way and effective
positively because it's given so much to
me too many of us and everything comes
back everything comes back and I think
that the human spirit will come back on
stage I think it will it's gonna take
some of the guys like you David to bring
it back okay but that's what I see
missing I think we need less science we
have a bunch of science experiments on
stage everybody is over 300 pounds of
three percent three percent body fat
I think we need less science and more
art on stage art being the human spirit
that we miss you know you used we used
to see on stage which physique is come
bringing back to bodybuilding the human
spirit if you will I think more art less
science would be a step in the right
direction and I certainly mean no
disrespect to the modern-day
bodybuilders I mean there's some
unbelievable talent and dedication and
focus these guys put into it and the
girls put into it unfortunately they
cancelled in the midst of Olympia which
is that's not that's another discussion
for sure but I think we can do better
bodybuilding can do better I mean the
the worst golfer the worst golfer on the
Pro Tour makes about a half a million
dollars a year the lousy Assael yirat
golf makes it half million dollars a
year okay now it's not about the money
no I and I said that before but
bodybuilding you know it's better Phil
Heath is more rewarded than anybody in
history okay we can do better we can do
better okay
and I think that we need to train our
young men and women on how to be how to
represent when I was working with Sergio
Oliva jr. I said go and represent put
the suit on put the tile and represent
your dad but God's sakes your dad was
the myth Sergio Oliva go represent who I
competed with on a 84 and 85 go
represent your dad and the royalty of
our sport Sergio Oliva jr. is the
royalty of our sport he's gonna win
almost always even if he's not in great
shape he's gonna win does he sir Julie
Wood jr. Sergio Lee was kid child son
the only guy who would upstage Sergio
Oliva jr. would be if Arnold's son
competed which is not gonna happen okay
as far as I know so Sergio Oliva jr. has
lineage he has royalty in his blood and
my job is a training him as to pound
this mentality into his brain okay and
that's that's what I'm trying to do
that's what I do
and that's what gives me life it gives
me life to revisit and remember those
old days and I don't want to live in the
old days I'm gonna live in the new days
the new days are great okay but I have
to go back a little bit because they
at first when I was a young boy when I
was nine years old and I was in the
basement working out reading the wieder
book my dad would take me downstairs in
the evening after dinner we read the
reader training manual he would say okay
bench press he put the bar in your hands
and I I couldn't figure out why my
elbows were hitting the floor
I didn't understand it was a bench press
and so we look my dad taught me how to
lift weights when I was a little boy I
was fascinated by it that when I was in
the store I was in a bookstore a
drugstore would he call him a apotheke
DM I was in the store they had magazine
rack okay I'm a nine-year-old kid from
Pittsburgh Pennsylvania I'm reading this
muscle magazine I'm like wow look at
these guys Dave draped with a long
blonde hair and the girl on each arm a
girl on each leg and he had this wieder
crusher and his in his chest and like
and then Arnold's drinking protein out
of their blender and the next page I'm
like what a great job you know I want
that job I show my dad when I grow up
that's what I wanted to do he's like
give me the magazine put her with come
on kid come on son you know and I'm like
I went home but I thought about it and
thought about it and I thought about it
I'm like I can't believe that people do
that for a living people lift weights
for a living how cool was that you know
Kathy let's this is even your life for
the 35 years I've been going you a
little teenager you know when you owned
your first gym here you know this gym
okay now there's you have three or four
gyms right I know but that's how I
started okay and my parents were at
first sort of like what is it now
because I was into building big cars in
my garage I wanted to have the strongest
street car you know 427 Hemi you know
and that was into music playing guitar I
would go to the dances and play lead
guitar in a band I you know I was I was
into that The Beatles and all that stuff
but I was never Eric Clapton I can ever
play that good cars were so expensive
the cheapest thing to do was body
building back then there was no sports
nutrition it was cheap you know and I
could get into the gym I could sneak
into the gym and train and the lifter
was like my attitude and they taught me
how to squat so when I really when I started
started
eating a little bit here and there some
small powder thing contest my parents
went to the contest and supported me
when I went to the teenage mr. America
I'm like wow the teenage mr. America I
want to go my dad said okay I'll take
you I'm gonna I'll go fly with you I'm a
teenager a young kid living at home to
tell your training partner the gym will
go I'll take you to the to the teenage
mr. America
I'm like wow how cool is this my parents
are finally getting on board you know
and I think my dad started realizing
that when I started asking for
investment advice
he's a finance guy he was a coach you
know one of those guys he realized that
God he's doing he's serious about this
this is his life and he I think they
realized my dedication when they
realized it was up that I could make
money at this and get financially secure
with it they sort of enjoyed it even
more and I think they like the
popularity of it they like going to the
show with the Olympia they like the
fanfare and the but it wasn't about
being popular it was about being
everybody in the audience is my friends
you know these are the guys the
working-class guys from back home the
guys in the gym that they believed they
were with me and on they were back then
I remember like anybody didn't believe
they weren't part of my friends people
that gave me the great energy that's my
friends you'd be careful
you surround yourself with people that
are negative you become negative if your
people if you're on people their life is
bad life is terrible you become that so
I decided to surround myself with the
people that were always energetic that's
why I went to the west coast
being around Arnold oh my god every day
was let's go okay let's go it is America
learn how to speak English or know okay
I did I did let's go that's going to be
governor no way he's governor I want to
be an actor no way 26 million dollars a
year oh my god
26 million per film okay nothing you
can't do nothing you can't do in this
gym if you really want to nothing you
can't do in this gym if you really want
to nothing you can't do out there if you
really want to if you really want to if
it's like breathing to you you'll find a
way to get it done so my parents realize
that that was my intrinsic innate
attitude I didn't speak like this as a
child though okay they got on board and
I'll they love to
or the shows my dad I think was just
going because my mom liked it but my
mother loved going to Olympia's but the
audiences were never fans the people
they were there were my friends and I
grew up in a very rural working-class
neighborhood and destroy in Pittsburgh
and Detroit and all the guys from the
gyms they were they were my you know
that's it wasn't about the money it
wasn't about becoming famous it was just
about doing something we believed in and
for some reason I had this belief system
that had I had to take that risk and go
out and I I thought I could do it I
remember being nine years old looking in
the mirror going mom I look like this
don't I in the Mack muscle magazines
yeah honey you do you do you know but I
I believe and it's hard for a 20 year
old hard for a nine-year-old kid to look
at fillies and go mom no way no way 300
pounds like that had it let's do
something else
that's the pling they can look at
physique guys and go or bikini girls no
yeah I could do that bikini girls oh my
god Hungary is unbelievable there's
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
gorgeous beautiful bikini girls
everywhere it's like the new Beach
reminds me of its I think it's better I
think Lake Balaton is better than Venice
Beach I do okay that's why I'm there
but that's my parents to answer your
question my parents got on board and
they saw what it meant to me but it
wasn't just a decision I made as a child
he's either be a priest be a Catholic
priest or be a bodybuilder it was what I
was thinking about as a nine year old as
I thought I should really devote myself
to something so the mentality I had
going into bodybuilding was this is a
life this is a career it's not I'm gonna
get in shape for Facebook I'm gonna get
in shape for Instagram post I was
willing to put the time in and spend 30
40 50 years in the business that's what
I wanted it to being into what he became
what I wanted it to be it became what I
expected to have happen when you believe
something and you put the energy out to
the world to the universe you get it
back I really believe this I don't know
I I can't you know I I'm nobody special
I'm not I'm not somebody that's you know
anybody any different most of you have
more time
than I do okay I'm not any special
person but I believe that if you gave
this energy to the universe it would
come back to you and I didn't have a
plan B I said I sorta did my dad made me
get my you know my degrees and college I
was a teacher I could have went back and
taught school I was considering going
and getting a job teaching after the Mr
Universe contest in 1978 I was at work I
was broke I was handing out beach towels
on the beach and Zane took me aside
Zane said Tom wait I'm teaching right
now at Santa Monica High School on the
site teach science and mathematics Zane
taught science and mathematics at Santa
Monica High School he goes the
opportunities that come to you it's
gonna come wait two months before the
magazine comes out the phone's gonna
start ringing promoters around the
country are gonna start calling you
I guarantee it you have the leg thing
going on that's that's the thing that
you should market your legs I'm like
Frank you think so I didn't know yeah
you have something we never we don't all
have okay he said to me here's what you
do here's how much you should charge for
the seminar and the exhibition here's
what you should tell them as far as
getting half in advance you taught me
how to book my own shows so sure enough
I was starving ready to I'm like
figuring out how to eat tuna for the for
the next two months you know finding
tuna friends will give me some food you
know eight whatever I could do to live
in California and all the sudden the
phone started ringing promoters around
the country started calling me and I'm
like wow and then of course I sent out
flyers with my picture on we had no
Facebook a tom platt it's available for
exhibitions and I did exactly what Zane
and Arnold taught me to do and aren't
frank said to me he owes now that you're
mr. universe you should charge no less
than $3,000 to go somewhere so really is
yes don't compromise that you're worth
that so I'm first time the phone rang hi
John how you doing I'm a big fan all the
bodybuilding promoters were fans back
then right what we'd love to have you
come to the mr. Michigan contest and we
want you to guess pose for us and and do
a seminar
what's your feet three thousand dollars
plus expenses great fantastic all I need
is I just need half down to reserve the
date on my calendar great we'll send it
right to you I'm like I made $3,000
one for
my god this is great Frank I called
Frank zinzin you won't believe what
happened he was you I told you I told
you you know now I was doing that fifty
hundred times a year okay for 25 30
years and then other opportunities
opened up endorsements and owning
companies and I lost a lot of money and
made a lot of money and Here I am okay
I'm still alive I almost died in the
process a few times another story but it
all worked out because of the blue my
belief system and I believe you have to
believe you have to believe you can you
can't in fact in fact find your
impossible what is it you think it's
impossible you could never quite grasp
that's what you can that's what you have
to go after you don't have a dream man
you're dead okay it could be a dream of
having a family and having a nice tight
family and my grandfather made $3,000 a
year he didn't want a big glamorous life
he came on the he went on the bathroom
the his porch and sat in front of his
house every day after work worked in a
steel mill in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
and smoked his cigar every evening life
was great
made three thousand dollars a year I had
some beef for dinner he came to my
grandmother came from Austria okay they
came from Austria and life was good here
in the US but I wanted my dad wanted
something different and I wanted
something different and I knew it wasn't
gonna be about following the rules and
doing homes weren't supposed to do it's
about doing something different and
bodybuilding offered me that opportunity
and allowed me to utilize my belief
system that my parents did instill in me
there Arnold instilled in me and for
some how God gave me that belief system
but the belief system you have to have
do you expect to lose you will and a lot
a lot of guys are very talented a lot of
women are very talented but they don't
think they can do it and they don't very
rarely does a great Janek talent gifted
guy or girl
very rarely do do they succeed on talent
alone you mixing attitude with talent oh
my god that's a superstar that's Michael
Jordan Magic Johnson that's you know
Whitney Houston even though she had some
problems you ever see yeah this is right
another thing I'd
all the arts into real app bodybuilding
music sculptor art paintings they all
interrelate okay when I watch famous or
even not a famous singer belt out a song
from the tip of their toes to the top of
their lungs and they they believe in the
song they're yelling or singing on I
don't know Britain's Got Talent or
something like that wow I'm sorry that's
what bodybuilding is to me that's
exactly what bodybuilding is to me okay
and that's where I come from and that's
my story and I'm sticking to it
okay hopefully I was able to give you an
insight into the mentality it's a
mentality it's a choice every morning
when I wake up every morning when you
all make up you have a choice sometimes
make the wrong choice sometimes I do you
want to be negative you want to
depressed or upset about something or do
you want to be in a good mood and really
going after what you want Adam called me
one day early in the morning I'm like I
was in a bad mood and I go oh I made the
wrong choice no okay let's regroup let's
just start over he got out of bed again
and what's the first thing I can do and
I saw this on Facebook and this I think
it was a the Navy you know what they
call the Navy Commander what'swhat's the
relay or I don't know a very well
meddled guy in the Navy he talked about
motivation he said the first thing you
should do every day something positive
make your bed
make a perfect bed you know he was right
this is this is the good thing about
social media and I make my bed Adam
called me and made my bed perfect okay
all right let's let's do this again and
Adam had him said to me you know what
you always say to me he goes gusted
what's that he always said life happens
not to you but for you he repeated it
back to me I'm like he's right he's
right sometimes a student becomes the
teacher okay that's the best-case
scenario a lot of you are in the gyms
training people the best situation in
life is when you train somebody that
comes better than you that's what you
want you want the person you train to
become better than you ever were okay
but that's been my life and hopefully
I'm a directing though I'm opening it up
to your answers and giving a little bit
more in a good way after every Olympia I
said to my wife let's have kids after
the Olympia let's let's plan on having
getting pregnant after the Olympia let's
print I'm feeling pretty hat that was 10
years passed by and it was - wife's okay
so part of the sacrifice are part of my
mentality and I have to take
responsibility for this we're all
causative to our own situation of life
okay as much as I wanted to say oh I it
was them it was me - okay I'm glad I
didn't marry the blonde beach bunny okay
I didn't marry her though I did marry
her and I'm glad I didn't have kids with
her because you know she had the
drug-related cocaine issues the whole
social problem I put her in detox okay
I'm glad it just didn't work out after
four years that was the early 80s the
next seven years the Italian girl from
back east who I turned into a Beverly
Hills monster okay her her best friends
were making you know $40,000 a month
from alimony because they were married
to movie executives and they get
divorced and I was living I turned her
into the Beverly Hills person
Santa Monica now is Beverly Hills by the
beach I was into the stuff you know what
Canyon stuff is what the answer is and I
believe that at that time so my third
wife who I'm still married to cha David
knows her she's the best thing that ever
happened to me I'm much better with her
than without her I got to tell you she's
everything I'm not everything I would
dream about as far as being a person in
a spiritual individual you know just a
genuine person she is
I'm very gifted in that sense she's very
intelligent very cerebral she's retired
doctor she's ran companies exactly
probably what I needed in my life in 2000 we were married in 2000 September
2000 we were married in 2000 September 11th mm so it's been 18 years
11th mm so it's been 18 years and I'm done getting married okay that's
and I'm done getting married okay that's enough of that
enough of that but that's sort of what happened in my
but that's sort of what happened in my personal life at that time so I never
personal life at that time so I never had kids I think about it from time to
had kids I think about it from time to time now I do I go gotta be nice to have
time now I do I go gotta be nice to have kids
kids imbecilic what photo I'm doing now is
imbecilic what photo I'm doing now is mentoring young men and women and in
mentoring young men and women and in business and it meant in being a
business and it meant in being a corporate recruiter and helping people
corporate recruiter and helping people succeed in bodybuilding in the sport I
succeed in bodybuilding in the sport I would like to have a child if my son or
would like to have a child if my son or daughter wanted to go into bodybuilding
daughter wanted to go into bodybuilding I would probably not be for it I'd be
I would probably not be for it I'd be like oh my god just do something else
like oh my god just do something else okay
okay if they really wanted to do it I'd
if they really wanted to do it I'd support them I would okay most actors
support them I would okay most actors say that yeah you talk to a famous actor
say that yeah you talk to a famous actor no I don't my kids going to the business
no I don't my kids going to the business but he'd do any help because it's the
but he'd do any help because it's the family business so but I do have kids in
family business so but I do have kids in a way because my gosh
a way because my gosh Chah does have a child from a previous
Chah does have a child from a previous marriage
marriage she's 52 years old so you know it's not
she's 52 years old so you know it's not like I have a little baby but I have
like I have a little baby but I have grandchildren from from them and so on
grandchildren from from them and so on and so on
and so on so we do have sort of a family in that
so we do have sort of a family in that sense well the one thing I look back and
sense well the one thing I look back and hindsight's always 20/20 you can look
hindsight's always 20/20 you can look back you I could have should have I
back you I could have should have I wasn't ready for that time I wasn't
wasn't ready for that time I wasn't ready to have kids and we didn't maybe
ready to have kids and we didn't maybe it's good we didn't but it's never the
it's good we didn't but it's never the right time I finally realized it's never
right time I finally realized it's never the right time you can't plan that you
the right time you can't plan that you just it's got to happen sort of
just it's got to happen sort of naturally but you have kids to yourself
naturally but you have kids to yourself no okay but those are some of the
no okay but those are some of the thoughts I have now I was traveling
thoughts I have now I was traveling around the world I was going to four
around the world I was going to four countries a year back then in the 80s
countries a year back then in the 80s with my first and second wife I was
with my first and second wife I was doing what I'm doing now it's hard on a
doing what I'm doing now it's hard on a heart on a marriage sometimes would come
heart on a marriage sometimes would come with me my first wife I proposed to in
with me my first wife I proposed to in Germany we're in by the river
no somewhere else I forget I forget I feel like OJ Simpson I have no
feel like OJ Simpson I have no recollection yeah really I can't
recollection yeah really I can't remember spending the first I can't
remember spending the first I can't remember spending one day with my first
remember spending one day with my first wife and I was married for four years I
wife and I was married for four years I have no recollection of ever living with
have no recollection of ever living with her ever being married to her Wow
her ever being married to her Wow and I just amazing how you can block
and I just amazing how you can block stuff out okay so I understand Oh Jay
stuff out okay so I understand Oh Jay men if my wife was driving my Ferrari
men if my wife was driving my Ferrari with some guy I'd be there ready to kill
with some guy I'd be there ready to kill him too you know okay anyhow I shouldn't
him too you know okay anyhow I shouldn't say that and but I can't relate to him
say that and but I can't relate to him and he was the he was the Arnold oh dear
and he was the he was the Arnold oh dear Simpson was in my neighborhood walking
Simpson was in my neighborhood walking around hey hey old Jay are you doing
around hey hey old Jay are you doing he was the you know the the black guy
he was the you know the the black guy who was living a rich white man's life
who was living a rich white man's life if I can use that I dare use that
if I can use that I dare use that cultural relation that that racism type
cultural relation that that racism type tone and it's not racism it just I never
tone and it's not racism it just I never even knew he was black until I thought
even knew he was black until I thought about it oh yeah I guess he is black he
about it oh yeah I guess he is black he was a guy from down the street lived in
was a guy from down the street lived in a nice house okay close to Arnold that's
a nice house okay close to Arnold that's where I wanted to live of course you
where I wanted to live of course you know I made millions of dollars and I
know I made millions of dollars and I blew millions of dollars to I did I got
blew millions of dollars to I did I got to tell you that if I had to do it over
to tell you that if I had to do it over again I probably would have saved more
again I probably would have saved more money but I blew a lot of money you know
money but I blew a lot of money you know big car is the big houses and stuff it's
big car is the big houses and stuff it's meaningless to me now I already care
meaningless to me now I already care about it i'm i used to love i wanted to
about it i'm i used to love i wanted to have stuff i like nice clothes and stuff
have stuff i like nice clothes and stuff it's not about the stuff stuff comes and
it's not about the stuff stuff comes and goes money comes and goes the way you
goes money comes and goes the way you affect other people the way you affect
affect other people the way you affect other people like kids or people last
other people like kids or people last forever if i say one thing today it
forever if i say one thing today it affects you it affects your kids it
affects you it affects your kids it affects somebody else your friends and
affects somebody else your friends and that can change life's I mean Ben wieder
that can change life's I mean Ben wieder was right Ben wheeler said if we can its
was right Ben wheeler said if we can its nation body burning his nation building
nation body burning his nation building I'm like back in the eighties I'm like
I'm like back in the eighties I'm like what does he mean what is it what does
what does he mean what is it what does that mean but really if a bodybuilder
that mean but really if a bodybuilder with the ability to speak can affect
with the ability to speak can affect people in the gym we can affect other
people in the gym we can affect other gyms and other Fitness people it can
gyms and other Fitness people it can affect neighborhoods you can affect
affect neighborhoods you can affect cities you can affect countries we can
cities you can affect countries we can really change the way the world thinks
really change the way the world thinks through our sport through bodybuilding
through our sport through bodybuilding through being able to speak and that to
through being able to speak and that to me is Wow
me is Wow we thought I just had his in 1975
we thought I just had his in 1975 Chevrolet endorsed the mr. Olympia
Chevrolet endorsed the mr. Olympia Chevrolet the car company endorsed a mr.
Chevrolet the car company endorsed a mr. Olympia I want to go back to that I want
Olympia I want to go back to that I want to see Mercedes Benz sponsoring the mr.
to see Mercedes Benz sponsoring the mr. Olympia you know Wow like they do golf I
Olympia you know Wow like they do golf I want to see the way golf were here I was
want to see the way golf were here I was around I worked with golfers I sort of
around I worked with golfers I sort of helped golfers with the mentality and
helped golfers with the mentality and training and all that stuff it's
training and all that stuff it's wonderful sport it's I want body but
wonderful sport it's I want body but need to be like the PGA to where Gulf
need to be like the PGA to where Gulf were tribal first class or coach or
were tribal first class or coach or whatever but it's so professional so
whatever but it's so professional so poised to go in the locker room of a
poised to go in the locker room of a country club is like wow life is good
country club is like wow life is good life is full life is rich you know
life is full life is rich you know that's what bodybuilding should be okay
that's what bodybuilding should be okay not about the money but it should be
not about the money but it should be about the feeling of confidence that
about the feeling of confidence that we're doing something that's creative
we're doing something that's creative and meaningful to others not just being
and meaningful to others not just being how big can I get and how Cal freaky can
how big can I get and how Cal freaky can I get and have nobody really appreciate
I get and have nobody really appreciate it anymore
it anymore granted art should bother people
granted art should bother people sometimes art should bother people
sometimes art should bother people sometimes so in all due respect current
sometimes so in all due respect current day bodybuilding as art is bothering me
day bodybuilding as art is bothering me and many others everybody talks about
and many others everybody talks about the golden era everybody wants to go
the golden era everybody wants to go back to the golden era and I'm like wow
back to the golden era and I'm like wow how do you know about that you're 20
how do you know about that you're 20 years old you're talking about the
years old you're talking about the golden era you know so that's another
golden era you know so that's another thing I tied up that's why I love
thing I tied up that's why I love Hungary okay going to the beach and
Hungary okay going to the beach and Hungary and to Lake balla balla tone is
Hungary and to Lake balla balla tone is like there's a there's a love for
like there's a there's a love for bodyboarding and a sort of an essence of
bodyboarding and a sort of an essence of the spirit of bodybuilding like Venice
the spirit of bodybuilding like Venice Beach used to have okay and that's I
Beach used to have okay and that's I think Europe could be the next mecca
think Europe could be the next mecca okay and in many ways it is in many ways
okay and in many ways it is in many ways it is
well Adam maybe you can answer that better than I can you know when did
better than I can you know when did bodybuilding start becoming you should
bodybuilding start becoming you should you should see the events they have
you should see the events they have there what the events are huge
there what the events are huge when did bodybuilding start becoming
when did bodybuilding start becoming popular
you're 33 years old so you were you were born probably when I studied my first
born probably when I studied my first seminar here you know recently that
seminar here you know recently that happened over the next five over the
happened over the next five over the recent five years yeah ten years but it
recent five years yeah ten years but it has the you don't think it's know it
has the you don't think it's know it will be Adam always says to me he said
will be Adam always says to me he said anything's possible in Hungary he yeah
anything's possible in Hungary he yeah he says anything's possible in hungry
he says anything's possible in hungry I'm like okay he's like easily he's
I'm like okay he's like easily he's influencing legally Arnold did back in
influencing legally Arnold did back in the old days and it you know and Hungary
the old days and it you know and Hungary is the doors are opening up to where
is the doors are opening up to where there's so much energy with within the
there's so much energy with within the super body's big great show tremendous
super body's big great show tremendous participation I mean SciTech is huge in
participation I mean SciTech is huge in Hungary
Hungary you know it's monstrous and it's like
you know it's monstrous and it's like wow what opportunities there are for an
wow what opportunities there are for an old guy like me in Hungary and of course
old guy like me in Hungary and of course you know in Switzerland I like
you know in Switzerland I like Switzerland sexy okay it is I know if
Switzerland sexy okay it is I know if you guys know that I mean watches coming
you guys know that I mean watches coming to the airport beautiful watches money
to the airport beautiful watches money in chocolate oh man it's a great country
in chocolate oh man it's a great country okay
okay that's what I see and I look outside the
that's what I see and I look outside the window with the hotel oh it's like
window with the hotel oh it's like Germany only quainter really cute and
Germany only quainter really cute and you know it's like I want to taste
you know it's like I want to taste everything I'm gonna can I try that can
everything I'm gonna can I try that can I try this you know there's something
I try this you know there's something about Switzerland you guys don't know
about Switzerland you guys don't know how great it is I'm gonna come back
how great it is I'm gonna come back we're gonna come back here for sure okay
we're gonna come back here for sure okay sir
well certainly bikini is popular bikini is very popular I I've when I first went
is very popular I I've when I first went to the gold gym back in the 70s there
to the gold gym back in the 70s there was no female bodybuilding there's just
was no female bodybuilding there's just it was a men's sanctuary Gold's Gym the
it was a men's sanctuary Gold's Gym the first Gold's Gym was a men's sanctuary
first Gold's Gym was a men's sanctuary we went there and talked about our date
we went there and talked about our date last night we squatted and we trained
last night we squatted and we trained and and there was two or three girls in
and and there was two or three girls in the gym in the 1970s that was gold gyms
the gym in the 1970s that was gold gyms membership Lisa Lyons Stacy Bentley
membership Lisa Lyons Stacy Bentley nobody remembers this is too long Lisa
nobody remembers this is too long Lisa Lyon yeah yes yeah she was fantastic yes
Lyon yeah yes yeah she was fantastic yes yes I think in and first at first I was
yes I think in and first at first I was uncomfortable with women being in the
uncomfortable with women being in the gym like how can I train with a girl
gym like how can I train with a girl here being here and then it became
here being here and then it became popular and there were no no women's
popular and there were no no women's restrooms in the gyms and then of course
restrooms in the gyms and then of course Joel gold you know made it to where we
Joel gold you know made it to where we functioned together and we trained
functioned together and we trained together and it made sense to me why
together and it made sense to me why shouldn't but the sheer idea of a woman
shouldn't but the sheer idea of a woman doing that was like it's like it's like
doing that was like it's like it's like a man doing a curtsy you saw you know I
a man doing a curtsy you saw you know I can I mean it's like I couldn't quite
can I mean it's like I couldn't quite put it together but I've really come to
put it together but I've really come to appreciate the female physique you can
appreciate the female physique you can look I think a trained body and men or a
look I think a trained body and men or a female or a male is is beautiful it
female or a male is is beautiful it really is and when a woman realizes that
really is and when a woman realizes that she can look more like a woman through
she can look more like a woman through weight training they get serious very
weight training they get serious very quick they get serious right away and I
quick they get serious right away and I missed that and the women's body
missed that and the women's body building it took different steps I think
building it took different steps I think it got into bodybuilding to where I'm
it got into bodybuilding to where I'm like it was just incomprehensible by the
like it was just incomprehensible by the general public I love Li Linda Marie
general public I love Li Linda Marie Linda Marie is a great friend thanks
Linda Marie is a great friend thanks she's the epitome in the beautiful
she's the epitome in the beautiful gorgeous woman I know her husband real
gorgeous woman I know her husband real well my wife and our good friends with
well my wife and our good friends with them okay and I think she a pedophile
them okay and I think she a pedophile she's the epitome of what body but he is
she's the epitome of what body but he is for a woman
for a woman and racial an old friend of mine I
and racial an old friend of mine I traveled around the world with racial
traveled around the world with racial yet we went to Japan together we went to
yet we went to Japan together we went to we crossed the International Dateline
we crossed the International Dateline together we have a lot of stories you
together we have a lot of stories you know I traveled I think Cory Everson was
know I traveled I think Cory Everson was a great influence when I first saw Cory
a great influence when I first saw Cory Everson I'm thinking she has no
Everson I'm thinking she has no potential at all for bodybuilding four
potential at all for bodybuilding four years later she was unbelievable she's a
years later she was unbelievable she's a great trainer her husband at the time
great trainer her husband at the time Jeff Ibrahim but I think women's body
Jeff Ibrahim but I think women's body bullying is undergoing some changes as
bullying is undergoing some changes as the men's are I think that will open up
the men's are I think that will open up again it will open up again I think that
again it will open up again I think that Linda will bring back female
Linda will bring back female bodybuilding I think she's elemental and
bodybuilding I think she's elemental and bringing it back and I think a lot a lot
bringing it back and I think a lot a lot of the practitioners in women's
of the practitioners in women's bodybuilding wanted to come back but I
bodybuilding wanted to come back but I think it's hard to really understand
think it's hard to really understand FEMA you know a girl looking like a man
FEMA you know a girl looking like a man it almost has a transgender kind of
it almost has a transgender kind of connotation to it okay although with all
connotation to it okay although with all respect we're judging muscle I know
yeah well if I may respectfully and humbly give my opinion I think men's
humbly give my opinion I think men's body bullying is means too much as
body bullying is means too much as always too much is never the answer too
always too much is never the answer too much of anything is never the answer too
much of anything is never the answer too much muscle not enough quality is what I
much muscle not enough quality is what I see in men's bodybuilding and the women
see in men's bodybuilding and the women too much muscle on a woman is hard to
too much muscle on a woman is hard to understand and fathom even though it's
understand and fathom even though it's art in some sense I mentioned that art
art in some sense I mentioned that art the current state of body bullying the
the current state of body bullying the art does bother me aren't supposed to
art does bother me aren't supposed to bother you
bother you sometimes good art does bother you for a
sometimes good art does bother you for a reason that's what art does Art's meant
reason that's what art does Art's meant to enlighten motivate or bother people
to enlighten motivate or bother people sculptor art paintings dance theater is
sculptor art paintings dance theater is meant to movies are meant to bother you
meant to movies are meant to bother you or enlighten you or motivate you so with
or enlighten you or motivate you so with all due respect the art of bodybuilding
all due respect the art of bodybuilding it is art and it's bothering a lot of
it is art and it's bothering a lot of people nowadays and the women are in
people nowadays and the women are in there and even the men it's bothering as
there and even the men it's bothering as we as an as an analogy or a comparison
we as an as an analogy or a comparison we used to be in two hot rods and that
we used to be in two hot rods and that was bodybuilding hot rods now
was bodybuilding hot rods now bodybuilding is funny cars we like and
bodybuilding is funny cars we like and appreciate funny cars we want to go back
appreciate funny cars we want to go back to hot rods does that make sense that
to hot rods does that make sense that analogy I mean I love the industry the
analogy I mean I love the industry the sport it's Who I am it's where I come
sport it's Who I am it's where I come from
from I'm just criticizing my own backyard I'm
I'm just criticizing my own backyard I'm criticizing myself I'm not lending
criticizing myself I'm not lending disrespect or ill thoughts to
disrespect or ill thoughts to bodybuilding and fitness I'm talking
bodybuilding and fitness I'm talking about what's inside me where I come from
about what's inside me where I come from and how I view it and I I think that
and how I view it and I I think that it'll come I think woman's body will
it'll come I think woman's body will come back with people like Linda Marie
come back with people like Linda Marie who's who can provocated probably you
who's who can provocated probably you know provoke it in some way I think it's
know provoke it in some way I think it's it's a wonderful activity for a lot of
it's a wonderful activity for a lot of the women the practices oh yeah
the women the practices oh yeah absolutely
absolutely okay and I think the men the classic
okay and I think the men the classic physique I think that's the new door I
physique I think that's the new door I think it's going to open the door for a
think it's going to open the door for a lot a lot of people do I have the
lot a lot of people do I have the answers right now and no but do I know
answers right now and no but do I know that I can tell you one thing change
that I can tell you one thing change changed nothing stays the same
changed nothing stays the same okay and I think the the night in that
okay and I think the the night in that the me apart a or the the the youngness
the me apart a or the the the youngness of bodybuilding people want to go back
of bodybuilding people want to go back to those times when it was simple and I
to those times when it was simple and I think that we want to make it we want to
think that we want to make it we want to portray the goodness of bodybuilding the
portray the goodness of bodybuilding the greatness of bodybuilding rather than
greatness of bodybuilding rather than the dark side there's a dark side to
the dark side there's a dark side to everything okay I mean there's drugs in
everything okay I mean there's drugs in corporate sport and in corporate when I
corporate sport and in corporate when I was in the corporation you know the
was in the corporation you know the caffeine and aspirin not to mention you
caffeine and aspirin not to mention you know cocaine and everything else does
know cocaine and everything else does that make a CEO no this drugs make a
that make a CEO no this drugs make a superstar athlete or bodybuilder is
superstar athlete or bodybuilder is their drugs and body but ensures their
their drugs and body but ensures their drugs in sport sure does that make a
drugs in sport sure does that make a superstar athlete no drugs doesn't make
superstar athlete no drugs doesn't make a superstar the superstar makes a
a superstar the superstar makes a superstar I don't even think it's
superstar I don't even think it's genetics I often think way it's not
genetics I often think way it's not genetics it's an attitude it's a belief
genetics it's an attitude it's a belief system that makes a superstar granted
system that makes a superstar granted usually do something you're good at
usually do something you're good at though I wasn't know you would do
though I wasn't know you would do something you're good at but I even
something you're good at but I even think that your attitude will take you
think that your attitude will take you any much further than any genetics your
any much further than any genetics your attitude will take you much further than
attitude will take you much further than any genetics I mean that I mean I could
any genetics I mean that I mean I could I could look at Arnold's physique and
I could look at Arnold's physique and sort of die except and say well that
sort of die except and say well that wasn't good that wasn't good
wasn't good that wasn't good well that could be better but he's the
well that could be better but he's the greatest of all time you know but you
greatest of all time you know but you ever see his pose went back in his
ever see his pose went back in his heyday oh my god oh my breath was taken
heyday oh my god oh my breath was taken aback good oh my god it's like you know
aback good oh my god it's like you know that's life life is the moments to take
that's life life is the moments to take your breath away we all think it's about
your breath away we all think it's about how many breaths we take his life it's
how many breaths we take his life it's not not how many breaths you take life
not not how many breaths you take life is the moments that take your breath
is the moments that take your breath away when I watched Arnold on stage back
away when I watched Arnold on stage back in the old days when I was a kid took my
in the old days when I was a kid took my breath away
breath away when I walk into the G gold's gym my
when I walk into the G gold's gym my first time in Gold's Gym in Robbie
first time in Gold's Gym in Robbie Robinson is underneath that that light
Robinson is underneath that that light doing a light barbell and I'm like you
doing a light barbell and I'm like you know this light was magical light this
know this light was magical light this magical skylight I'm like my god it's
magical skylight I'm like my god it's unbelievable that's what that's what got
unbelievable that's what that's what got me in and I was like I I decided that
me in and I was like I I decided that like those pictures when I was a kid
like those pictures when I was a kid those pictures that artis eller took Rd
those pictures that artis eller took Rd Zeller took pictures of Dave Draper and
Zeller took pictures of Dave Draper and Arnold on the beach
Arnold on the beach Zane I had that picture of my wall in my
Zane I had that picture of my wall in my office wall I have a picture of Trump
office wall I have a picture of Trump okay I have a picture of Dave Draper
okay I have a picture of Dave Draper when it met that nine-year-old kid going
when it met that nine-year-old kid going that's what I want to do dad
that's what I want to do dad okay and it's been a great life and you
okay and it's been a great life and you know I can talk about the dark or the
know I can talk about the dark or the negative and anything anything
negative and anything anything hey money is needed but there's a dark
hey money is needed but there's a dark side to money too and we need it we need
side to money too and we need it we need it all you need we need it in a balance
it all you need we need it in a balance where we really need
where we really need okay now balance is hard to do that's my
okay now balance is hard to do that's my current daily activity the cific and all
current daily activity the cific and all the things I think about I'm gonna I'm
the things I think about I'm gonna I'm gonna try to share this with you there's
gonna try to share this with you there's seven different facets of life that
seven different facets of life that where I try to balance career health
where I try to balance career health finance financial health family health
finance financial health family health social health mental health what you
social health mental health what you allow to enter into your your mind what
allow to enter into your your mind what else is there there's two other ones
first financial career family social mental spiritual health and I mentioned
mental spiritual health and I mentioned a missing one what is it
a missing one what is it physical health yeah all the most
physical health yeah all the most obvious one physical health all those
obvious one physical health all those seven things I have written down in my
seven things I have written down in my notebook my journal every day and I
notebook my journal every day and I can't I can never seem to remember the
can't I can never seem to remember the whole seven and I'm asked to remember
whole seven and I'm asked to remember all those things but I that's probably I
all those things but I that's probably I have a problem with it again but I try
have a problem with it again but I try to balance that and never had that
to balance that and never had that balance my whole life I never had that
balance my whole life I never had that balance I had career health and
balance I had career health and financial health
financial health but everything else sucked okay if I
but everything else sucked okay if I look at my life so my goal is an old man
look at my life so my goal is an old man is to balance all those things and every
is to balance all those things and every day early in the morning I think the
day early in the morning I think the time to have my ritual right celebrate
time to have my ritual right celebrate the another day and I take the time to
the another day and I take the time to think about all those things before I
think about all those things before I actually start doing stuff before I get
actually start doing stuff before I get involved and we start traveling to the
involved and we start traveling to the next country in the next country in the
next country in the next country in the next country but that's really what we
next country but that's really what we need and I really think this is a
need and I really think this is a training camp for what's next okay
training camp for what's next okay I can't believe this is it
I can't believe this is it okay and Steve Jobs my wife used to know
okay and Steve Jobs my wife used to know him he called the house one day there's
him he called the house one day there's Steve Jobs I'm like no way who is this
Steve Jobs I'm like no way who is this friend of mine you know it's cha there
friend of mine you know it's cha there yeah they work together back in the old
yeah they work together back in the old days and Steve Jobs gave her a new
days and Steve Jobs gave her a new computer because her computer failed but
computer because her computer failed but he talked about this before he died he
he talked about this before he died he talked about you know how he has all the
talked about you know how he has all the money in the world and is that really
money in the world and is that really success and he had listened to his some
success and he had listened to his some of his final thoughts it is tremendously
of his final thoughts it is tremendously moving and it just startled my life okay
moving and it just startled my life okay that's probably one of the major reasons
that's probably one of the major reasons I'm doing this again and talking like
I'm doing this again and talking like this again because it's time to start
this again because it's time to start getting back to what I know best and
getting back to what I know best and doing things I know best that I believe
doing things I know best that I believe in and the Church of bodybuilding this
in and the Church of bodybuilding this is a church these are all churches
is a church these are all churches that's right very spiritual squatting
that's right very spiritual squatting for reps is very spiritual your life
for reps is very spiritual your life passes in front of your eyes and you see
passes in front of your eyes and you see God you know you don't in a way okay but
God you know you don't in a way okay but that's my mentality and thank you for
that's my mentality and thank you for allowing me to go in those directions
allowing me to go in those directions but your questions are very provocated
but your questions are very provocated and provoking to me and I hope you don't
and provoking to me and I hope you don't mind me wandering over all over the
mind me wandering over all over the place in an effort to answer those
place in an effort to answer those questions is is as best I can
questions is is as best I can okay other questions or viewpoints or
okay other questions or viewpoints or thoughts
well social media social media is good in bed they're pro and con to everything
in bed they're pro and con to everything there's a pro and a con to everything a
there's a pro and a con to everything a lot of people I know who come to the gym
lot of people I know who come to the gym every day they haven't done nothing but
every day they haven't done nothing but there's on social media they become
there's on social media they become internet gurus internet champions
internet gurus internet champions knavery competed never competed in sport
knavery competed never competed in sport but their gurus even some of the ones
but their gurus even some of the ones that have won some stuff are making more
that have won some stuff are making more money than most people in the industry
money than most people in the industry I'm like what is that and so I'm being
I'm like what is that and so I'm being persuaded and pushed to become a social
persuaded and pushed to become a social media person which I'm not okay I
media person which I'm not okay I realize the importance of it there's an
realize the importance of it there's an importance to you can share a lot of
importance to you can share a lot of things a lot of people but in my day we
things a lot of people but in my day we had to do something to become famous now
had to do something to become famous now you speak people just do get on Facebook
you speak people just do get on Facebook and Instagram to become famous so I
and Instagram to become famous so I think there's you know a downside to
think there's you know a downside to social media it's a mr. Olympia or any
social media it's a mr. Olympia or any bodybuilding show people post daily
bodybuilding show people post daily selfies of themselves there's no mystery
selfies of themselves there's no mystery we used to wait to mr. Olympia we
we used to wait to mr. Olympia we couldn't wait to get to Columbus Ohio we
couldn't wait to get to Columbus Ohio we would drive up from I was in school with
would drive up from I was in school with a bunch of people in the car
a bunch of people in the car get up would get to Columbus Ohio like
get up would get to Columbus Ohio like we couldn't wait to see the show okay it
we couldn't wait to see the show okay it was fantastic but we didn't see anybody
was fantastic but we didn't see anybody from the whole year there's no facebook
from the whole year there's no facebook there was no Instagram we don't wait for
there was no Instagram we don't wait for the magazines to come out every month
the magazines to come out every month like anxious kids like when is the
like anxious kids like when is the magazine the other magnet you have
magazine the other magnet you have muscle and builder and power is it out
muscle and builder and power is it out yet ah we go crazy I'd read every word
yet ah we go crazy I'd read every word ten times back to back you know
I think that social media just the fact that it's instant the fact that it's
that it's instant the fact that it's quick people don't think in terms of
quick people don't think in terms of devotion and meaning to up anything to
devotion and meaning to up anything to anything they feel entitled when I was a
anything they feel entitled when I was a corporate recruiter the average 25 year
corporate recruiter the average 25 year old would feel entitled to a job I'm
old would feel entitled to a job I'm like if I had a job interview which I
like if I had a job interview which I did and I'd be there on my deathbed
did and I'd be there on my deathbed I'd be at my best suit going I'm here to
I'd be at my best suit going I'm here to interview I'm hurt I'm either early not
interview I'm hurt I'm either early not oh I'm gonna cancel it's raining today
oh I'm gonna cancel it's raining today you know so get back to your question I
you know so get back to your question I think we're at a time when I don't know
think we're at a time when I don't know about other countries I haven't studied
about other countries I haven't studied other countries enough but in America
other countries enough but in America most young people feel entitled the
most young people feel entitled the what's the word they use millennial the
what's the word they use millennial the average millennial feels that they
average millennial feels that they should get a job and be given stuff they
should get a job and be given stuff they don't have to work for it there's no
don't have to work for it there's no work ethic in America modern-day 20
work ethic in America modern-day 20 year-olds in America they have no idea
year-olds in America they have no idea what work ethic is they expect it to be
what work ethic is they expect it to be given to them that's why like hungry
given to them that's why like hungry people when hungry wasn't so long ago
people when hungry wasn't so long ago communism was popular right Adam it
communism was popular right Adam it wasn't so long ago when hungry calm
wasn't so long ago when hungry calm music calling the communism was the
music calling the communism was the chosen way of life
they didn't choose it but now it's not communism correct well he did we're
communism correct well he did we're getting into a lot of discussions I know
getting into a lot of discussions I know that I wasn't even prepared for this but
that I wasn't even prepared for this but I think yes it was put on them they
I think yes it was put on them they didn't they didn't say I want it what
didn't they didn't say I want it what I'm getting at though in Hungary
I'm getting at though in Hungary there's work ethic some of the guys in
there's work ethic some of the guys in the gym even the bikini girls man this
the gym even the bikini girls man this is an opportunity to become to do
is an opportunity to become to do something to become good at something
something to become good at something and they say they go after it I mean the
and they say they go after it I mean the gyms there's 20 gems that cutler gyms
gyms there's 20 gems that cutler gyms that I go to man they're packed with
that I go to man they're packed with people that have great energy there
people that have great energy there really is the super bodies they have
really is the super bodies they have there's good energy
there's good energy it could I could look at some negative -
it could I could look at some negative - okay I can't but I like that and that's
okay I can't but I like that and that's what I see in Europe and that's what I
what I see in Europe and that's what I see missing in America I haven't really
see missing in America I haven't really studied every country enough to talk
studied every country enough to talk about this
about this certainly not Switzerland I've Lehmann
certainly not Switzerland I've Lehmann here for the last 24 hours
here for the last 24 hours okay but things come back and I think
okay but things come back and I think that in America work ethic somehow needs
that in America work ethic somehow needs to be instilled in young people and I
to be instilled in young people and I think it will again through trials and
think it will again through trials and tribulations and problems than maybe
tribulations and problems than maybe re-educating in America there's a big
re-educating in America there's a big problem with that but one thing I do
problem with that but one thing I do want to share with you is that
want to share with you is that opportunities will always come to you if
opportunities will always come to you if you expect opportunities and when they
you expect opportunities and when they come you see them for instance
come you see them for instance in 1979 in 1979 a maid
in 1979 in 1979 a maid I was made $40,000 my first year as a
I was made $40,000 my first year as a pro in 1979 I was rich in my mind okay
pro in 1979 I was rich in my mind okay and I had the opportunity they offered
and I had the opportunity they offered me half of gold's gym for $20,000
me half of gold's gym for $20,000 they said for $20,000 you can have half
they said for $20,000 you can have half of gold's gym ownership keep in mind
of gold's gym ownership keep in mind there's only one gold's gym back then
there's only one gold's gym back then there was one Gold's Gym ten guys five
there was one Gold's Gym ten guys five girls that was it that was the fitness
girls that was it that was the fitness industry okay I'm like are you kidding
industry okay I'm like are you kidding me I want to buy a Corvette instead okay
me I want to buy a Corvette instead okay I bought a Corvette biggest mistake in
I bought a Corvette biggest mistake in my life or one of the biggest mistakes
my life or one of the biggest mistakes in my life
in my life Abelardo Corvette instead and if I were
Abelardo Corvette instead and if I were to spend $20,000 half of my earnings
to spend $20,000 half of my earnings that year in 1979 I would own half of
that year in 1979 I would own half of gold gyms around the world okay so I
gold gyms around the world okay so I didn't have the business vision I never
didn't have the business vision I never had the business vision that a lot of
had the business vision that a lot of guys did have Arnold was buying property
guys did have Arnold was buying property in Venice California this dump hole in a
in Venice California this dump hole in a wall place the gym
wall place the gym the reason Gold's Gym is in Venice it
the reason Gold's Gym is in Venice it was cheap cheap rent okay but I never
was cheap cheap rent okay but I never had that vision of how to purchase
had that vision of how to purchase properties 25 years later I was asked to
properties 25 years later I was asked to invest my neighbor my neighbor said Tom
invest my neighbor my neighbor said Tom I want you to invest in my my project
I want you to invest in my my project I'm starting a new company I'm gonna I'm
I'm starting a new company I'm gonna I'm gonna start a coffee shop on my coffee
gonna start a coffee shop on my coffee shop even buy coffee anywhere so I
shop even buy coffee anywhere so I decided not to invest with him nudee
decided not to invest with him nudee card called his company Starbucks okay
card called his company Starbucks okay I'm like I missed it again
I'm like I missed it again okay I can never see the vision I didn't
okay I can never see the vision I didn't have that talent if you will
have that talent if you will I couldn't not smell that Arnold's could
I couldn't not smell that Arnold's could smell that Trump could smell it Vince
smell that Trump could smell it Vince McMahon the owner of the WWE could smell
McMahon the owner of the WWE could smell it I had no idea what these guys are
it I had no idea what these guys are talking about but opportunity is gonna
talking about but opportunity is gonna always being come to you and I think a
always being come to you and I think a lot of the young people need to realize
lot of the young people need to realize that opportunity comes to them but they
that opportunity comes to them but they they have to work for it
they have to work for it they can't just expect it to come to
they can't just expect it to come to them they've got to work for it when
them they've got to work for it when you're working hard at something
and what luck is people say yeah you were lucky but luck is when preparation
were lucky but luck is when preparation meets opportunity and I trained for
meets opportunity and I trained for years and years and years and years I
years and years and years and years I wasn't the guy I wasn't the chosen
wasn't the guy I wasn't the chosen winner I'm standing on stage and I
winner I'm standing on stage and I watched Ron to for 1978 at the mr.
watched Ron to for 1978 at the mr. America contest called
America contest called be angry because he lost he called the
be angry because he lost he called the judges names and walked off the stage
judges names and walked off the stage and I'm standing on I'm the guy because
and I'm standing on I'm the guy because he walked offstage mad and angry and
he walked offstage mad and angry and called the judges I don't know bad names
called the judges I don't know bad names in the early 70s mid 70s we were all on
in the early 70s mid 70s we were all on high fat low carb diets mainly because
high fat low carb diets mainly because Arnold said to do Arnold Draper
Arnold said to do Arnold Draper Zain all my heroes I had all their
Zain all my heroes I had all their pictures on my wall in my bedroom as a
pictures on my wall in my bedroom as a boy okay
boy okay and I they were up we all taught that
and I they were up we all taught that low carbohydrates low sugar was the
low carbohydrates low sugar was the answer and high fat was the solution
answer and high fat was the solution high fat metabolism 1979 in my first
high fat metabolism 1979 in my first Olympia 1980 my second Olympia I decided
Olympia 1980 my second Olympia I decided that I had to change something because
that I had to change something because if I kept doing what I'm doing I kept
if I kept doing what I'm doing I kept getting what I'm getting I wanted to
getting what I'm getting I wanted to place higher than mr. Lippe I wanted to
place higher than mr. Lippe I wanted to win the mr. Olympia okay so I talked to
win the mr. Olympia okay so I talked to this mic mentor Mike was very convincing
this mic mentor Mike was very convincing to me that a high carbohydrate diet
to me that a high carbohydrate diet could be conducive to me I thought about
could be conducive to me I thought about it a lot and I adopted a high
it a lot and I adopted a high carbohydrate diet ate 300 300 grams of
carbohydrate diet ate 300 300 grams of carbohydrate a day less than 10 grams of
carbohydrate a day less than 10 grams of fat a day in 1980 got pretty good
fat a day in 1980 got pretty good results 1981 same approach high carb
results 1981 same approach high carb diet high sugar diet low fat diet got in
diet high sugar diet low fat diet got in the best shape of my life that was the
the best shape of my life that was the answer to me
answer to me I thought back in 82 three four five six
I thought back in 82 three four five six that I should keep doing exactly the
that I should keep doing exactly the same thing in hindsight hindsight's
same thing in hindsight hindsight's always 20/20 I should have switched
always 20/20 I should have switched metabolisms I think the secret lies in
metabolisms I think the secret lies in switching metabolisms going from high
switching metabolisms going from high fat metabolism to carbohydrate
fat metabolism to carbohydrate metabolism years ago when life was about
metabolism years ago when life was about farmers and farms during the winter time
farmers and farms during the winter time you would people have fruit sellers they
you would people have fruit sellers they would have special sellers they kept of
would have special sellers they kept of the jarred fruit right they would eat
the jarred fruit right they would eat the carbohydrates that they have that
the carbohydrates that they have that they stored away for the whole winter as
they stored away for the whole winter as the winter progressed they'd run out of
the winter progressed they'd run out of the sugars and those peaches and the
the sugars and those peaches and the stuff in the in the in the in the cellar
stuff in the in the in the in the cellar the fruit seller was to call them and
the fruit seller was to call them and you know eventually they were able to
you know eventually they were able to function on fat metabolism the rest of
function on fat metabolism the rest of the winter summer came along apples and
the winter summer came along apples and fruits were available again they
fruits were available again they switched they switched to sugar - fat -
switched they switched to sugar - fat - carbohydrate metabolism so humans
carbohydrate metabolism so humans responded because of the climate -
responded because of the climate - alternating fat metabolism -
alternating fat metabolism - carbohydrate metabolism naturally I
carbohydrate metabolism naturally I think that's the secret to bodybuilding
think that's the secret to bodybuilding we don't do that enough a lot of people
we don't do that enough a lot of people do they don't they they focus on this
do they don't they they focus on this before the show they alternate different
before the show they alternate different days different weeks but I think that's
days different weeks but I think that's where the real solution is if I had to
where the real solution is if I had to do it all over again in terms of my
do it all over again in terms of my nutrition I would have switched
nutrition I would have switched metabolisms back to a high fat and back
metabolisms back to a high fat and back to carbohydrates more more than just
to carbohydrates more more than just staying with one thought
well I probably would have looked at more in terms of years because I felt
more in terms of years because I felt that being on a high carbohydrate
that being on a high carbohydrate metabolism for two years work really
metabolism for two years work really well from my point my personal
well from my point my personal experience most people think in weeks
experience most people think in weeks and months I was more successful in
and months I was more successful in thinking years I think a year two years
thinking years I think a year two years on a high carbohydrate metabolism worked
on a high carbohydrate metabolism worked really well and I think another I should
really well and I think another I should have switched to a high fat metabolism
have switched to a high fat metabolism during that during that interim and I
during that during that interim and I didn't because I found something that
didn't because I found something that worked for me and I felt I'd do that all
worked for me and I felt I'd do that all the time but your body changes and
the time but your body changes and that's some of the things I think about
that's some of the things I think about now
now at age 62 I have a sugar handling problem I can't handle uh sugar I can't
problem I can't handle uh sugar I can't eat 300 grams of carbs every day we
eat 300 grams of carbs every day we talked about this this morning I can't
talked about this this morning I can't do anymore
do anymore I can't nothing not out of choice if I
I can't nothing not out of choice if I eat three-hour grams of carbs a day I'm
eat three-hour grams of carbs a day I'm like dizzy I'm lethargic I want to sleep
like dizzy I'm lethargic I want to sleep 12 hours a day
12 hours a day I'm like oh God I call Adam Adam I'm not
I'm like oh God I call Adam Adam I'm not doing too good today I got I'm sleeping
doing too good today I got I'm sleeping all day my adrenal glands can't handle
all day my adrenal glands can't handle it my pancreas insulin sensitivity
it my pancreas insulin sensitivity thymus gland which the medical
thymus gland which the medical profession will never talk about I can't
profession will never talk about I can't hang out tolerate the sugar sugar is a
hang out tolerate the sugar sugar is a problem when people get cancer order
problem when people get cancer order that what should they do my to get rid
that what should they do my to get rid of the sugar I think your cancer sugar
of the sugar I think your cancer sugar helps everything we're all including
helps everything we're all including cancer
cancer I do much better nowadays at my age
I do much better nowadays at my age having a higher fat metabolism 100 grams
having a higher fat metabolism 100 grams of carbohydrates a day maybe maybe I'll
of carbohydrates a day maybe maybe I'll push it to 130 with my caloric structure
push it to 130 with my caloric structure being somewhere between 2,000 to 2600
being somewhere between 2,000 to 2600 calories a day that's me this for me but
calories a day that's me this for me but it's it's based more on fat metabolism
it's it's based more on fat metabolism which I find is much better for me I can
which I find is much better for me I can think clearer think sharper that high
think clearer think sharper that high carbohydrates which I would 20 years ago
carbohydrates which I would 20 years ago outtie give you the opposite description
outtie give you the opposite description I would have said the opposite okay but
I would have said the opposite okay but that's some of the things I've learned
that's some of the things I've learned and I think we're meant to do better on
and I think we're meant to do better on fats
fats I think butter butter is essential we
I think butter butter is essential we forgot about not margarine margarine has
forgot about not margarine margarine has margarine has a half-life of 50 years in
margarine has a half-life of 50 years in the body was six it stays in the body
the body was six it stays in the body for 50 years who knows what else did it
for 50 years who knows what else did it what happens but butter does not not
what happens but butter does not not have to be broken down by the liver
have to be broken down by the liver brother gets immediately into the
brother gets immediately into the bloodstream my joints my my skin is much
bloodstream my joints my my skin is much better with butter I could get away with
better with butter I could get away with it when I was 20 when I was 20 late to
it when I was 20 when I was 20 late to beat 3 hours a day that was I could look
beat 3 hours a day that was I could look good for most of my 20s you know
good for most of my 20s you know on real low-fat diets no butter just
on real low-fat diets no butter just sugar okay
sugar okay but I found nowadays I urge a lot
but I found nowadays I urge a lot quicker with a more sugar now that I'm
quicker with a more sugar now that I'm back on higher fats I feel younger I
back on higher fats I feel younger I feel sharper feel better I can train
feel sharper feel better I can train hard I can go I was in the gym I was
hard I can go I was in the gym I was able to touch 400 pounds of five reps
able to touch 400 pounds of five reps and squats I was able to do 315 last
and squats I was able to do 315 last year for between 15 and 20 perfect reps
year for between 15 and 20 perfect reps you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go
you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go back to what I used to do and I'm not
back to what I used to do and I'm not thirty men and I'm 62 years old I have
thirty men and I'm 62 years old I have to really carefully plan to do those
to really carefully plan to do those heavy squats very carefully planned it's
heavy squats very carefully planned it's kind of fun no I've never had any
kind of fun no I've never had any problem my life
problem my life but yesterday perfect pure technique we
but yesterday perfect pure technique we talked about this yesterday we have two
talked about this yesterday we have two seminars tomorrow perfect technique
seminars tomorrow perfect technique modern day squatting the technique has
modern day squatting the technique has been bastardized for lack of a better
been bastardized for lack of a better word the technique is about a hip thrust
word the technique is about a hip thrust to take people using buttocks and lower
to take people using buttocks and lower back too much not the quads I believe in
back too much not the quads I believe in a quad dominant squat the foundational
a quad dominant squat the foundational movement like Olympic lifters do okay
movement like Olympic lifters do okay the foundational movement of the squat
the foundational movement of the squat in its purity being a quad dominant
in its purity being a quad dominant movement having the back not perfectly
movement having the back not perfectly 90 degrees but maybe four or five
90 degrees but maybe four or five degrees off it's perfect most people who
degrees off it's perfect most people who are fitness advocates nowadays squat
are fitness advocates nowadays squat some somewhere in the area of forty five
some somewhere in the area of forty five degrees it's a hip thrust they handle
degrees it's a hip thrust they handle big weights and some of the girls preach
big weights and some of the girls preach good but talk development from squats
good but talk development from squats under those conditions I get it I get it
under those conditions I get it I get it but I think it's much more difficult on
but I think it's much more difficult on the knees I think CrossFit is great at
the knees I think CrossFit is great at as CrossFit is and the unity and the
as CrossFit is and the unity and the family and the energy that they create
family and the energy that they create within the CrossFit community they're
within the CrossFit community they're all hurting there on their knees because
all hurting there on their knees because I think it's easier to teach an
I think it's easier to teach an incorrect squat than it is a correct
incorrect squat than it is a correct squat to really be a weightlifter to
squat to really be a weightlifter to learn the correct squat it takes years
learn the correct squat it takes years I've seen weight lifters practice their
I've seen weight lifters practice their technique with broomsticks for years
technique with broomsticks for years before even putting the weight on what
before even putting the weight on what do I teach young men and women
do I teach young men and women no wait forget about the wait the
no wait forget about the wait the technique size and strength will follow
technique size and strength will follow but what I've seen happen with squatting
but what I've seen happen with squatting originally in the 1980s people lacked
originally in the 1980s people lacked ankle flexibility which limited that
ankle flexibility which limited that limited their squating ability now I'm
limited their squating ability now I'm seeing lack of lack of flexibility in
seeing lack of lack of flexibility in the hip structure in the old day look at
the hip structure in the old day look at pumping iron you see Arnold doing cable
pumping iron you see Arnold doing cable rows he's bending wave forward way this
rows he's bending wave forward way this way way that way you doing t-bar rows
way way that way you doing t-bar rows he's moving his hips nowadays because of
he's moving his hips nowadays because of the pharmacology because of the size of
the pharmacology because of the size of the bodybuilders we choose or machines
the bodybuilders we choose or machines first so most modern-day body butters
first so most modern-day body butters come and use all the machines and don't
come and use all the machines and don't use the free weights and the dumbbells
use the free weights and the dumbbells in the barbells okay as much as they
in the barbells okay as much as they should be initially and some of the some
should be initially and some of the some of the negative results of choosing only
of the negative results of choosing only machines is Lex less flexibility so
machines is Lex less flexibility so almost by necessity bod current body
almost by necessity bod current body butters in fitness advocates squat
butters in fitness advocates squat incorrectly if I may say so and I got to
incorrectly if I may say so and I got to tell you I'm not all that ok I'm not I'm
tell you I'm not all that ok I'm not I'm standing on the shoulders of many great
standing on the shoulders of many great men and women before me I was taught and
men and women before me I was taught and had the honour of being taught by some
had the honour of being taught by some of the best in the industry Norbert
of the best in the industry Norbert Szymanski taught me how to squat the
Szymanski taught me how to squat the best one of the best Olympic lifters in
best one of the best Olympic lifters in the world in fact he won the gold
the world in fact he won the gold medalist he won the gold medal in the
medalist he won the gold medal in the Olympic Games in 1972 I think it was but
Olympic Games in 1972 I think it was but Norbert Szymanski he was working in
Norbert Szymanski he was working in Detroit and I was living in Detroit for
Detroit and I was living in Detroit for a while my dad moved around my parent
a while my dad moved around my parent family moved around but Norbert
family moved around but Norbert Szymanski left his job and go one he won
Szymanski left his job and go one he won the gold medal in the Olympic Games
the gold medal in the Olympic Games weightlifting in the heavyweight class
weightlifting in the heavyweight class he came back to Detroit they said we
he came back to Detroit they said we stupid wedding after he left your job
stupid wedding after he left your job for two weeks we're gonna fire you they
for two weeks we're gonna fire you they left they fired him from his job after
left they fired him from his job after you won the gold medal in the Olympic
you won the gold medal in the Olympic Games in weightlifting he taught me how
Games in weightlifting he taught me how to train meanwhile the super heavyweight
to train meanwhile the super heavyweight winner that year was vastly alexia they
winner that year was vastly alexia they had parades for him in Russia over the
had parades for him in Russia over the old Soviet Union they had he was a
old Soviet Union they had he was a national hero the correct parades for
national hero the correct parades for him you know I wanted to go to Russia
him you know I wanted to go to Russia when I was a little boy I thought maybe
when I was a little boy I thought maybe the answer to
the answer to but people forgot how to squat I think
but people forgot how to squat I think there's two things the work ethic
there's two things the work ethic modern-day bodybuilders forgot about got
modern-day bodybuilders forgot about got a train hard yeah have fun in the gym
a train hard yeah have fun in the gym you got to go after it
you got to go after it most modern-day people depend upon
most modern-day people depend upon pharmacology Oh take this and take
pharmacology Oh take this and take they'll fix it I think we're gonna have
they'll fix it I think we're gonna have to go the opposite way less pharmacology
to go the opposite way less pharmacology I'm talking about taboo things I know
I'm talking about taboo things I know but somebody's got to address this stuff
but somebody's got to address this stuff somebody's got to address it and I guess
somebody's got to address it and I guess it's me I guess you know so that's some
it's me I guess you know so that's some of the things I do address in seminar
of the things I do address in seminar format not necessarily here today okay
format not necessarily here today okay but a lot of the modern day pros in
but a lot of the modern day pros in Europe there's no what you're telling me
Europe there's no what you're telling me and I'll even propagate this Tom we've
and I'll even propagate this Tom we've decided to take less drugs
decided to take less drugs thank God less drugs back in my day
thank God less drugs back in my day every limpia that I competed in I think
every limpia that I competed in I think I spent almost $300 to compete in every
I spent almost $300 to compete in every Olympia okay
Olympia okay I would out what I would take is what
I would out what I would take is what the girls took years ago I mean you know
the girls took years ago I mean you know next to nothing and I got great results
next to nothing and I got great results with very little more is less is more
with very little more is less is more and I think that's where we should be
and I think that's where we should be headed and that's where we're starting
headed and that's where we're starting I'm getting clue so that's what the
I'm getting clue so that's what the industry is realizing but I think that
industry is realizing but I think that you know all sport has drugs in there
you know all sport has drugs in there and even in the corporate world has
and even in the corporate world has drugs involved in the life of the
drugs involved in the life of the corporate person the drugs
corporate person the drugs clouds things and causes issues I
clouds things and causes issues I believe but more importantly to answer
believe but more importantly to answer your question I should or to say on
your question I should or to say on point I think that because of the choice
point I think that because of the choice to do more machines in less free weights
to do more machines in less free weights the main tools of our trade the main
the main tools of our trade the main tools of our trade the dumbbell the
tools of our trade the dumbbell the barbell the main tools of our trade we
barbell the main tools of our trade we forgot about that and we're having
forgot about that and we're having flexibility issues related to that it's
flexibility issues related to that it's like most personal trainers we
like most personal trainers we introduced the physio ball into the gym
introduced the physio ball into the gym years ago 10 15 years ago the physio
years ago 10 15 years ago the physio ball because most modern-day Fitness
ball because most modern-day Fitness advocates were using machines now using
advocates were using machines now using more machines
more machines all that young men and women see the top
all that young men and women see the top pros using machines they all follow suit
pros using machines they all follow suit use machines we're missing the things
use machines we're missing the things that create and enhance flexibility
that create and enhance flexibility athletic function athletic function
athletic function athletic function comes from free weights the dumbbells
comes from free weights the dumbbells and the barbells and the pulleys the
and the barbells and the pulleys the main tools of our trade I'm sort of
main tools of our trade I'm sort of blending a lot a lot of different I'm
blending a lot a lot of different I'm taking your questions I'm sort of going
taking your questions I'm sort of going over here bringing it back and I'm
over here bringing it back and I'm putting I'm sort of thinking about a lot
putting I'm sort of thinking about a lot of things when I answer your questions
of things when I answer your questions hope you don't mind that there's no
hope you don't mind that there's no there's no one liner to answer a
there's no one liner to answer a question you know there is no one liner
question you know there is no one liner people want one liners what's the what's
people want one liners what's the what's that one line what's the few words that
that one line what's the few words that can give me the answer whenever I work
can give me the answer whenever I work with the person usually it takes me 50
with the person usually it takes me 50 weeks to change the mentality and change
weeks to change the mentality and change the physicality and the motor you motor
the physicality and the motor you motor pathway of a 30 year old person 22 work
pathway of a 30 year old person 22 work with a 20 year old person I could change
with a 20 year old person I could change it in two days on cables they have no
it in two days on cables they have no bad habits if you will sir
what I want to tell you is my own made-up story my wife will tell it
made-up story my wife will tell it differently okay there was a time we got
differently okay there was a time we got real depressed when you lose something
real depressed when you lose something that was so important to you and it was
that was so important to you and it was a choice for choice but it's time to get
a choice for choice but it's time to get out
out nobody said retire I chose to retire it
nobody said retire I chose to retire it was time every decade a new generation
was time every decade a new generation of guys come up and like it's time to
of guys come up and like it's time to get out plus I was still touring around
get out plus I was still touring around the world till guest posing still
the world till guest posing still showing my legs and promoters like pay
showing my legs and promoters like pay you anything just show me your legs
you anything just show me your legs that's all and I'm like it was time to
that's all and I'm like it was time to get out was it wasn't lost of the joy of
get out was it wasn't lost of the joy of it the joy of going onstage I was losing
it the joy of going onstage I was losing that after 25 years of doing it so I
that after 25 years of doing it so I decided to retire I don't know what to
decided to retire I don't know what to do
do I didn't know what to do is a lot like
I didn't know what to do is a lot like durian okay and I know durian real well
durian okay and I know durian real well but you when you lose that it's like
but you when you lose that it's like losing your spouse like it's like losing
losing your spouse like it's like losing an arm or losing a leg what do I do now
an arm or losing a leg what do I do now Who am I Who am I in this world without
Who am I Who am I in this world without body moving and so for a long time I
body moving and so for a long time I said I'm not even go to the gym is why
said I'm not even go to the gym is why go you can't really go there and do it
go you can't really go there and do it might go at all so a good 15 years I
might go at all so a good 15 years I didn't I didn't see a gym I didn't care
didn't I didn't see a gym I didn't care about a gym I said that was the old days
about a gym I said that was the old days that was the past and eventually I had
that was the past and eventually I had no choice I had to get a job okay
no choice I had to get a job okay I mean I'll you know I was doing some
I mean I'll you know I was doing some occasional stuff here and there but I
occasional stuff here and there but I wasn't developed on social media yet
wasn't developed on social media yet okay I realized the importance
okay I realized the importance financially of all that yeah I do
financially of all that yeah I do people were showing me social media
people were showing me social media amongst the social media was growing I
amongst the social media was growing I was Facebook what is Facebook anyhow you
was Facebook what is Facebook anyhow you can make money you can Instagram and you
can make money you can Instagram and you can have an Internet you can push people
can have an Internet you can push people to your site and I'll calculate
to your site and I'll calculate I wasn't that person that's why I said
I wasn't that person that's why I said to myself I got a job
to myself I got a job I got a good job I have a lot of degrees
I got a good job I have a lot of degrees I never really have experience I did
I never really have experience I did work for a short time with Trump and
work for a short time with Trump and McMahon yeah
McMahon yeah but that was in the early 90s here now
but that was in the early 90s here now it's 2007 and you know my finance is
it's 2007 and you know my finance is getting lower I'm starting oh god am I
getting lower I'm starting oh god am I gonna do what am I gonna do good
gonna do what am I gonna do good question
question I very rarely share this with people so
I very rarely share this with people so I've got on the internet looked for jobs
I've got on the internet looked for jobs on where they call a call that's
on where they call a call that's Craigslist okay look for things on
Craigslist okay look for things on Craigslist
Craigslist what's Craigslist don't know that looked
what's Craigslist don't know that looked it and I started looking all the jobs
it and I started looking all the jobs start interviewing I'm like wall I'm
start interviewing I'm like wall I'm really out of my league I don't know
really out of my league I don't know what I'm doing I don't have any skills
what I'm doing I don't have any skills they would ask things like well you know
they would ask things like well you know what kind of programming computer
what kind of programming computer programming do you understand he had the
programming do you understand he had the expertise doing
expertise doing do you have skills with I forget the
do you have skills with I forget the name that I haven't thought about it the
name that I haven't thought about it the various programs and different things
various programs and different things can you do this can you do that can you
can you do this can you do that can you have the of experience proficiency and
have the of experience proficiency and this and this
this and this unlike know as soon as I said no I had
unlike know as soon as I said no I had no computer experience like people would
no computer experience like people would laugh at me are you kidding you're an
laugh at me are you kidding you're an old guy next they would even say that
old guy next they would even say that back so they look in their eye like
back so they look in their eye like right I don't care if you were mr.
right I don't care if you were mr. universe who cares we need somebody can
universe who cares we need somebody can perform here in this industry so finally
perform here in this industry so finally I asked him interviewing a lot a lot I
I asked him interviewing a lot a lot I mean every day for 6 months 8 months I
mean every day for 6 months 8 months I started learning at home a few things
started learning at home a few things my wife's pretty sharp she showed me
my wife's pretty sharp she showed me some things I gained a little
some things I gained a little proficiency that I could speak a little
proficiency that I could speak a little bit about this is what I can handle and
bit about this is what I can handle and I can handle these programs ok and
I can handle these programs ok and finally we went into the interview and
finally we went into the interview and said I can do this give me a give me an
said I can do this give me a give me an opportunity let me show what I can do
opportunity let me show what I can do put me in a entry-level position all
put me in a entry-level position all right
right they said to me this this girl her name
they said to me this this girl her name was Rochelle Rochelle was gorgeous
was Rochelle Rochelle was gorgeous I mean dressed the two tens the
I mean dressed the two tens the beautiful corporate woman just a hint of
beautiful corporate woman just a hint of sexuality but very corporate you know
sexuality but very corporate you know beautiful and I'm like she goes I don't
beautiful and I'm like she goes I don't what to do with you I don't know what to
what to do with you I don't know what to do with you Tom
do with you Tom I understand what you came from in your
I understand what you came from in your background as I did some research on you
background as I did some research on you nowadays she did research you're like
nowadays she did research you're like she goes alright I'm gonna take a chance
she goes alright I'm gonna take a chance on you she said that to me great when do
on you she said that to me great when do I start
I start when can you start immediately okay and
when can you start immediately okay and I was overwhelmed I was anxious I was
I was overwhelmed I was anxious I was sweating my palms were wet just like it
sweating my palms were wet just like it wasn't the squat rack when I was a kid
wasn't the squat rack when I was a kid the same feeling all over again
the same feeling all over again I'm back at the squat rack all over
I'm back at the squat rack all over again
again and I had to do it I could I had to
and I had to do it I could I had to figure it out
figure it out and I remember squatting for the first
and I remember squatting for the first time with you know an orbitrim asking
time with you know an orbitrim asking all the big lifters they would look at
all the big lifters they would look at me like hmm
me like hmm they put the weight on for me so finally
they put the weight on for me so finally I started doing things in the office and
I started doing things in the office and a couple key people really helped me
a couple key people really helped me they did they showed me they showed me
they did they showed me they showed me how to become faster and sharper and
how to become faster and sharper and quicker I practice on my own time I went
quicker I practice on my own time I went home and asked my wife about this and my
home and asked my wife about this and my dad but that and I would ask people to
dad but that and I would ask people to show me this you know at first I was
show me this you know at first I was baffled beyond belief I'd go home one oh
baffled beyond belief I'd go home one oh my god am I gonna do I don't know how
my god am I gonna do I don't know how I'm not from the digital world I have no
I'm not from the digital world I have no idea after about seven years after about
idea after about seven years after about seven years a long time
seven years a long time I got good I got good I was proud of
I got good I got good I was proud of myself okay I'm like it go in the
myself okay I'm like it go in the morning I get in there early before
morning I get in there early before anybody else came in just like I did at
anybody else came in just like I did at the gym and I'm like okay I'm getting
the gym and I'm like okay I'm getting ready for the day get everything set up
ready for the day get everything set up and ready to go I'm gonna I'm gonna make
and ready to go I'm gonna I'm gonna make this happen and I was a corporate I
this happen and I was a corporate I finally got promoted to a corporate
finally got promoted to a corporate recruiter position and I studied the
recruiter position and I studied the mentality I knew I knew people I knew
mentality I knew I knew people I knew people I could I can listen to people
people I could I can listen to people talk and I can interview them and the
talk and I can interview them and the opportunity now is to do things in
opportunity now is to do things in world that I was familiar with from
world that I was familiar with from bodybuilding in the gym looking at
bodybuilding in the gym looking at athletes going hah that could have got a
athletes going hah that could have got a job as a coach or something I didn't
job as a coach or something I didn't want to be a PE told I want to do
want to be a PE told I want to do something where I was really
something where I was really uncomfortable and it was when I was it
uncomfortable and it was when I was it was overwhelming and I could have failed
was overwhelming and I could have failed I did fail a lot of days a lot of days I
I did fail a lot of days a lot of days I failed ridiculously bad okay I did big
failed ridiculously bad okay I did big you know what are you gonna do you're
you know what are you gonna do you're gonna just stay down this is what I said
gonna just stay down this is what I said to Dory until you gonna just stay down
to Dory until you gonna just stay down are you gonna get up
are you gonna get up the only difference the only way to go
the only difference the only way to go what's up that's what the squat taught
what's up that's what the squat taught me once you go down you got to get up
me once you go down you got to get up you got to get up you gotta get up so I
you got to get up you gotta get up so I talked myself through this I'd get up go
talked myself through this I'd get up go to the office the next day after seven
to the office the next day after seven years I built up some proficiency in
years I built up some proficiency in computer programs I could handle an
computer programs I could handle an office environment eventually have my
office environment eventually have my own office you know and I enjoyed I
own office you know and I enjoyed I immensely enjoyed it because it worked
immensely enjoyed it because it worked hard at it you worked real hard at it it
hard at it you worked real hard at it it was part of who I was so now I did this
was part of who I was so now I did this video for team and robe okay and Foom
video for team and robe okay and Foom went viral that was just on a weekend we
went viral that was just on a weekend we did it David and I did a video for Team
did it David and I did a video for Team Angela we talked about the squat the
Angela we talked about the squat the squat the film went viral and had
squat the film went viral and had opportunity to go work again in the
opportunity to go work again in the industry but I'm not in my corporate
industry but I'm not in my corporate world now going hey that's the old days
world now going hey that's the old days bodybuilding is the old days the
bodybuilding is the old days the corporate world is my new days right
corporate world is my new days right start to make some good money and join
start to make some good money and join it but finally I got to the point to
it but finally I got to the point to where social media boom developed and
where social media boom developed and developed until I was had the
developed until I was had the opportunity to come back to the business
opportunity to come back to the business I know best it was it was a decision I
I know best it was it was a decision I had to make you want to stay in the
had to make you want to stay in the corporate world and I worked hard at
corporate world and I worked hard at being the guy in that world and I'm 62
being the guy in that world and I'm 62 years old doing everything I can do to
years old doing everything I can do to run circles around 30 year olds okay I'm
run circles around 30 year olds okay I'm I had to work hard I didn't come easy
I had to work hard I didn't come easy didn't come easy at all I had work
didn't come easy at all I had work harder than I did at squat rack which is
harder than I did at squat rack which is pretty hard I almost died a few times
pretty hard I almost died a few times and I thought about it okay
and I thought about it okay but I'm thinking okay do I want to give
but I'm thinking okay do I want to give that up what I've gained here in the
that up what I've gained here in the corporate world to go back
corporate world to go back Kanda bodybuilding I made the decision
Kanda bodybuilding I made the decision to say yeah let's go back to
to say yeah let's go back to bodybuilding let's go back to what I
bodybuilding let's go back to what I know let's go back to touring let's go
know let's go back to touring let's go back to doing things in the bodybuilding
back to doing things in the bodybuilding business let's build up a let's put up a
business let's build up a let's put up a motivational library use the times you
motivational library use the times you couldn't get up and you got up to talk
couldn't get up and you got up to talk about with people talk about those times
about with people talk about those times Hungary became available other countries
Hungary became available other countries became available thanks to David and
became available thanks to David and team and ro and East labs was helpful my
team and ro and East labs was helpful my CEO Dino my CEO said to me if you don't
CEO Dino my CEO said to me if you don't go back into the world you know best
go back into the world you know best that being body buddy I'm gonna fire you
that being body buddy I'm gonna fire you anyhow I know he was joking I came back
anyhow I know he was joking I came back after my first visit to Hungary for two
after my first visit to Hungary for two months in Austria and you in the UK and
months in Austria and you in the UK and I came back to the office and I said
I came back to the office and I said Dino I want to maintain I have to
Dino I want to maintain I have to maintain global mobility I have the
maintain global mobility I have the opportunity to travel again all over the
opportunity to travel again all over the place and to go different countries and
place and to go different countries and be involved with bodybuilding and I have
be involved with bodybuilding and I have to I have to go I have to resign because
to I have to go I have to resign because I know I expected you to say this okay
I know I expected you to say this okay and so I had to leave the office pack my
and so I had to leave the office pack my stuff up and leave and it was it was
stuff up and leave and it was it was like wow that leavin the gym gone I
like wow that leavin the gym gone I never come back and that'sthat's what I
never come back and that'sthat's what I put in to what I do I don't just get a
put in to what I do I don't just get a job I don't just squat for reps and all
job I don't just squat for reps and all I could do 10 they have 50 in me by god
I could do 10 they have 50 in me by god I'm gonna do 50 okay you know I'm
I'm gonna do 50 okay you know I'm talking about I'm not talented it was
talking about I'm not talented it was life and death either you live or you
life and death either you live or you die which one do you want Tom that was
die which one do you want Tom that was the decision in the corporate life and
the decision in the corporate life and in the gym but if you want something bad
in the gym but if you want something bad enough if you want something bad enough
enough if you want something bad enough you can't let anybody tell you you can't
you can't let anybody tell you you can't do something I'll repeat that if you
do something I'll repeat that if you want something bad enough you can't let
want something bad enough you can't let anybody tell you can't do something
anybody tell you can't do something not even yourself a lot of days I'm like
not even yourself a lot of days I'm like oh you can't do this Tom you can't be as
oh you can't do this Tom you can't be as quick as a 30 year old on the computer
quick as a 30 year old on the computer
let me show you a lien I would have arguments with myself I could do it
arguments with myself I could do it people doubted me I doubted myself
people doubted me I doubted myself sometimes do you know what
sometimes do you know what I watched Arnold falled
I watched Arnold falled nobody remembers when he fell down when
nobody remembers when he fell down when he was you know Arnold wasn't the
he was you know Arnold wasn't the glorified winner as he was in the first
glorified winner as he was in the first 73 75 he got up and I make him a famous
73 75 he got up and I make him a famous film star he became governor he kept
film star he became governor he kept getting up getting up
getting up getting up I saw Trump do the same thing I saw a
I saw Trump do the same thing I saw a lot of these guys I admired in business
lot of these guys I admired in business do it and that's what it takes to do
do it and that's what it takes to do anything successfully in life you've got
anything successfully in life you've got to want it as bad as you want to breathe
to want it as bad as you want to breathe and if you want it that bad if you're
and if you want it that bad if you're willing to give it that much you get a
willing to give it that much you get a big piece of what you want in life and
big piece of what you want in life and dreams do come true
dreams do come true anything you want can happen and become
anything you want can happen and become a reality
a reality I believe that sincerely and I'll die on
I believe that sincerely and I'll die on that thought okay and I say that nothing
that thought okay and I say that nothing something I read as from something I
something I read as from something I lived okay and that's my story and I'm
lived okay and that's my story and I'm sticking to it
sticking to it sure
sure I didn't go to the gym 15 years I didn't go to the gym at all I started
didn't go to the gym at all I started running self was missing something was
running self was missing something was missing my left big time I knew it I
missing my left big time I knew it I started running and that was you know I
started running and that was you know I had to learn how to run I had to follow
had to learn how to run I had to follow people taught me how to run and I could
people taught me how to run and I could run 5k ran a marathon once you know it's
run 5k ran a marathon once you know it's I never do it again
I never do it again okay I wasn't built for that I really
okay I wasn't built for that I really wasn't I could get better and better and
wasn't I could get better and better and better at it but I wasn't a runner
better at it but I wasn't a runner I wasn't that kind of a muscle fiber
I wasn't that kind of a muscle fiber type but I could do it I could finish
type but I could do it I could finish the races I can get better and better
the races I can get better and better and better at running
you know it was a trying time but I knew something was missing I tried to replace
something was missing I tried to replace it with certain things eventually I
it with certain things eventually I started golden gym once a week on
started golden gym once a week on weekends I went to the gym and some
weekends I went to the gym and some young guys young one guy was 20 years
young guys young one guy was 20 years old I I focused on working with him and
old I I focused on working with him and his buddy who's 19 I work with them
his buddy who's 19 I work with them every weekend we every other weekend we
every weekend we every other weekend we squatted they were young guys they
squatted they were young guys they started getting stronger stronger
started getting stronger stronger stronger I start getting stronger
stronger I start getting stronger stronger Mike I'm revisiting the old
stronger Mike I'm revisiting the old days in my mind okay
days in my mind okay no old my old bar I brought out of my
no old my old bar I brought out of my garage put it in the car
garage put it in the car brought it to the gym he'll hold bent
brought it to the gym he'll hold bent bar you know with tape on it and chalk
bar you know with tape on it and chalk and blood from the old days let's let me
and blood from the old days let's let me show you what I used to do okay the
show you what I used to do okay the flexibility was still there I don't
flexibility was still there I don't retrain myself to do it but it was fun
retrain myself to do it but it was fun it was exciting the gym that was
it was exciting the gym that was exciting to me in fact I've been going
exciting to me in fact I've been going to the gym during that time going and
to the gym during that time going and Arnold was coming to the gym I said
Arnold was coming to the gym I said Arnold I think it's more fun now than it
Arnold I think it's more fun now than it used to be yeah but everything hurts and
used to be yeah but everything hurts and stuff like that but it was just the
stuff like that but it was just the answers came to me the more I looked and
answers came to me the more I looked and opened up my mind it goes I had no
opened up my mind it goes I had no choice it wasn't really a matter of
choice it wasn't really a matter of staying in corporate life or coming back
staying in corporate life or coming back was just this is what I'm supposed to do
was just this is what I'm supposed to do your career chooses you your career
your career chooses you your career chooses you you don't choose it there's
chooses you you don't choose it there's a reason you're all in fitness okay
a reason you're all in fitness okay there was a reason you were led to this
there was a reason you were led to this just the same way I was led to Gold's
just the same way I was led to Gold's Gym Venice Beach is an anointed zombie
Gym Venice Beach is an anointed zombie all of us were it wasn't about the money
all of us were it wasn't about the money it was about training together in one
it was about training together in one gym 15 people training together in a
gym 15 people training together in a 5,000 square foot gym that was the
5,000 square foot gym that was the fitness industry back in 1975 okay and
fitness industry back in 1975 okay and so you're here not by choice you're led
so you're here not by choice you're led to this and I believe we all have a
to this and I believe we all have a destiny we're all supposed to do
destiny we're all supposed to do something in our lives but all of you
something in our lives but all of you are good at something I know you are
are good at something I know you are okay yes I can see the smile is let's
okay yes I can see the smile is let's move yeah for sure
move yeah for sure this
this expect big things think big think big
expect big things think big think big you could do it you can do it why do I
you could do it you can do it why do I can't do it take a little bit of piece
can't do it take a little bit of piece at a time have daily goals monthly goals
at a time have daily goals monthly goals but you can make it happen
but you can make it happen it can't happen what's impossible in
it can't happen what's impossible in your life go after that have that go
your life go after that have that go after what's impossible you got to have
after what's impossible you got to have something impossible in your life
something impossible in your life hate to think it was a blonde girlfriend
hate to think it was a blonde girlfriend she's impossible I could never have her
she's impossible I could never have her okay Arnold I did it okay what's next
okay Arnold I did it okay what's next okay
okay goals were important passion is
goals were important passion is important waking up in the morning and
important waking up in the morning and having an excitement about the day is
having an excitement about the day is important that's what I learned through
important that's what I learned through those times I never had to get a job I
those times I never had to get a job I was all of a sudden I won the mr.
was all of a sudden I won the mr. universe and ban like Zhang told me I
universe and ban like Zhang told me I had a job for 25 years making big money
had a job for 25 years making big money stupid money I what I did in my 30s
stupid money I what I did in my 30s close to 40 or in my 40s is what most
close to 40 or in my 40s is what most guys girls doing their 20s but I didn't
guys girls doing their 20s but I didn't want to go to Arnold's off and say give
want to go to Arnold's off and say give me a job and I wanted to go what's it
me a job and I wanted to go what's it really like to be a regular working guy
really like to be a regular working guy interviewing for a job not having
interviewing for a job not having somebody know my background what's it
somebody know my background what's it like in the same attitude in the gym as
like in the same attitude in the gym as I mentioned here two hours ago when I
I mentioned here two hours ago when I first started the seminar worked in the
first started the seminar worked in the office same energy the same attitude
office same energy the same attitude attitude monitors talent attitude will
attitude monitors talent attitude will take you further than any talent or
take you further than any talent or genetics you have okay attitude is
genetics you have okay attitude is everything that's the one thing that I
everything that's the one thing that I know I don't know a lot that's what I
know I don't know a lot that's what I know okay any other questions I hope I
know okay any other questions I hope I answer the question okay sir
we have studios yeah yeah I remember I was training and
yeah yeah I remember I was training and I was training for the 81-82 mr. Olympia
I was training for the 81-82 mr. Olympia the 82 mr. Olympia in London now was
the 82 mr. Olympia in London now was mine okay it was two weeks to go I'm
mine okay it was two weeks to go I'm doing flies and whoa what's that feeling
doing flies and whoa what's that feeling you know sometimes in the gym we have
you know sometimes in the gym we have funny feelings my bicep tore off the
funny feelings my bicep tore off the bone the attachment site they tore right
bone the attachment site they tore right off so went to the doctor right away
off so went to the doctor right away he said completely torn you can't train
he said completely torn you can't train for the Olympia yeah I don't want that I
for the Olympia yeah I don't want that I can't take I can't handle that answer I
can't take I can't handle that answer I went to the next doctor looking for a
went to the next doctor looking for a different answer I said okay what
different answer I said okay what happened he goes completely torn off the
happened he goes completely torn off the bone he goes if you think you can train
bone he goes if you think you can train for the Olympia go ahead like wow I
for the Olympia go ahead like wow I thought I need to hear it's all I needed
thought I need to hear it's all I needed to hear I can still train for the limb
to hear I can still train for the limb for two weeks to go I can't use my bicep
for two weeks to go I can't use my bicep at all so I called Mike men sir I said
at all so I called Mike men sir I said Mike show me how to use these stupid
Mike show me how to use these stupid nautilus machines we don't have to use
nautilus machines we don't have to use your biceps you can sort of you know do
your biceps you can sort of you know do pullovers like this without your biceps
pullovers like this without your biceps Mike was kind of set down with me in the
Mike was kind of set down with me in the gym he goes even showed me everything I
gym he goes even showed me everything I could do in the gym without using my
could do in the gym without using my biceps but went to the 82 Olympian
biceps but went to the 82 Olympian London it's starting to roll up I could
London it's starting to roll up I could hide it perfectly nobody knew what
hide it perfectly nobody knew what happened but I I made the mistake of
happened but I I made the mistake of telling somebody
telling somebody I told Arnold and Arnold told the judge
I told Arnold and Arnold told the judge and this judge told that judge so when I
and this judge told that judge so when I went onstage
went onstage Tom can you walk forward please can you
Tom can you walk forward please can you show me your left bicep oh my god okay
show me your left bicep oh my god okay it's over I can't hide it okay so I
it's over I can't hide it okay so I decided to guess pose it the next few
decided to guess pose it the next few pro shows one was in Sweden those leg
pro shows one was in Sweden those leg shots you see or the actually taking in
shots you see or the actually taking in its wits whedon okay but I had some
its wits whedon okay but I had some great influence during my career I
great influence during my career I really have okay and I used that down-
really have okay and I used that down- time he had magazines this morning we
time he had magazines this morning we had breakfast together Franko get
had breakfast together Franko get magazines from the oh I forgot about
magazines from the oh I forgot about this I was in the hospital was a big
this I was in the hospital was a big cast on can he make it back panic I used
cast on can he make it back panic I used the rocky theme I used all my problems
the rocky theme I used all my problems in the magazines
in the magazines and created the whole can he come back
and created the whole can he come back to train again can he do it you know and
to train again can he do it you know and still a photographer has come to weeders
still a photographer has come to weeders photographers take came to the hospital
photographers take came to the hospital took pictures of me in the wheelchair
took pictures of me in the wheelchair and all that stuff that worked for
and all that stuff that worked for Arnold that when he does knee issue his
Arnold that when he does knee issue his knee problem back in South Africa okay
knee problem back in South Africa okay but my mentors were always Arnold
but my mentors were always Arnold obviously Arnold was extremely
obviously Arnold was extremely influential to me and Dave Draper I
influential to me and Dave Draper I don't know if maybe a lot of you don't
don't know if maybe a lot of you don't know Dave Draper Dave Draper was the
know Dave Draper Dave Draper was the blonde guy Dave Draper who did TV he did
blonde guy Dave Draper who did TV he did a lot of the movies with Tony Curtis and
a lot of the movies with Tony Curtis and back in the 60s
back in the 60s Dave Draper was the Arnold before Arnold
Dave Draper was the Arnold before Arnold okay but Dave was embarrassed to be a
okay but Dave was embarrassed to be a bodybuilder Dave didn't like being so
bodybuilder Dave didn't like being so popular Dave had a Holley was being
popular Dave had a Holley was being going out with Sharon Tate was his
going out with Sharon Tate was his girlfriend he was touring the world as
girlfriend he was touring the world as an a film actor he decided he didn't
an a film actor he decided he didn't like being famous he went to the Santa
like being famous he went to the Santa Cruz Mountains in California and became
Cruz Mountains in California and became a hermit oh I can't do that
a hermit oh I can't do that Arnold's The Terminator in real life you
Arnold's The Terminator in real life you know and he could in life he's the
know and he could in life he's the Terminator I'm like I can't do that
Terminator I'm like I can't do that either somewhere in the middle so those
either somewhere in the middle so those two guys influenced my career
two guys influenced my career dramatically
dramatically that's really really all my teachers I'm
that's really really all my teachers I'm a product of when I watched Robby going
a product of when I watched Robby going from exercise to exercise he was like an
from exercise to exercise he was like an animal in the gym like what style would
animal in the gym like what style would class the way he moves I'm a stocky jock
class the way he moves I'm a stocky jock from back east
from back east the way that Zayn moved Zayn would do
the way that Zayn moved Zayn would do sit-ups Zhang would do one set of
sit-ups Zhang would do one set of sit-ups for an hour without stopping
sit-ups for an hour without stopping with his sunglasses on I'm like my god
with his sunglasses on I'm like my god what planet is he from I'm like a god
what planet is he from I'm like a god it's unbelievable this gym okay
it's unbelievable this gym okay poppy I was like so I'm really I'm
poppy I was like so I'm really I'm really the product of Arnold and Draper
really the product of Arnold and Draper I'm a product of friggin Oh Serge knew
I'm a product of friggin Oh Serge knew Bray Robbie a little bit of Ed corny all
Bray Robbie a little bit of Ed corny all the guys that took me under their wings
the guys that took me under their wings and said let me show you the way kid
and said let me show you the way kid okay
I can remember surgeon who braised skin in 1978 surgeon who braised in the
in 1978 surgeon who braised in the gelatin
gelatin look at the skin on this guy look like
look at the skin on this guy look like look like saran wrap for skin beautiful
look like saran wrap for skin beautiful skin like how do you do that and then
skin like how do you do that and then pretty soon the girls taught me how to
pretty soon the girls taught me how to pose you know I'm Oh what do you mean I
pose you know I'm Oh what do you mean I do what do I do with the hair take you
do what do I do with the hair take you teach me what are you talking about I
teach me what are you talking about I like the thing you do with your hair
like the thing you do with your hair that wasn't a poser so really I'm the
that wasn't a poser so really I'm the sum of a lot of people okay and I'm
sum of a lot of people okay and I'm standing on their shoulders so when I
standing on their shoulders so when I talk to you you know I'm not all that I
talk to you you know I'm not all that I had some great teachers some wonderful
had some great teachers some wonderful teachers that I thank God were in my
teachers that I thank God were in my life having said that I think that's
life having said that I think that's really long enough it's about two and a
really long enough it's about two and a half hours thank you all so much well
half hours thank you all so much well thank you all so much we're gonna stop
thank you all so much we're gonna stop well it's a little break and we have
well it's a little break and we have some pictures and stuff like that and
some pictures and stuff like that and some individual discussion but thank you
some individual discussion but thank you all very much for being here and for
all very much for being here and for giving me your attention and provocated
giving me your attention and provocated those ideas and thoughts I told you I'd
those ideas and thoughts I told you I'd tell you what was really on my mind and
tell you what was really on my mind and I always like to do that but anyhow
I always like to do that but anyhow thank you all very much for your energy
thank you all very much for your energy with your energy I gotta tell you
with your energy I gotta tell you without your energy all those years I
without your energy all those years I never could have done it I just wanna be
never could have done it I just wanna be able to give it back to you and say
able to give it back to you and say thank you very much thank you
thank you very much thank you [Applause]
